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Seriously.. I am currently working on billion dollar, multinational financial exchange systems that has less complexity and stress (or missed deadlines) than when I was at EA and Riot. Also believe it or not, but the global bank paying you a few hundred million dollars is more understanding and forgiving than a League of Legends player who pays roughly $20 a year in microtransactions.
TheSilverbackPrime
@OP hello fellow Riot veteran!
confanity
That said, I suspect that rocket-launch failures kill more people than game-development failures.
MahMayn
The difficulty needs to be weighted against the consequences if you stuff it up.
UnholyMoses
I went to high school with Carmac. Me and his brother thought he was on the computer too much, lol. Our bad.
esperi1974
Considering Amazon's new game is bricking 3090 graphics cards, OP may have a point.
esperi1974
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-07-21-amazon-responds-after-reports-its-mmo-new-world-is-bricking-pricey-rtx-3090-cards
STGxDante
The new world mmo beta launched 7/20. Made by amazon
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Hmm, will check a look.
gamerely2718
Play Kerbal Space Program. Best of both worlds.
itzJasonOP
From EA to Riot. Both notoriously bad places to work at. I'm sorry dude.
dontlookinmybeard
Come on! I'm not a game developer. Balls.
myr14d
Rocket science is a set of actions within the world. Game development is creating a world.
thundercactus
Working within the confines of physics vs also having to CREATE the physics of that world that you're going to work in lol
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Rocket science may be easier, but when there's a bug in my game, people don't die.
DarkSpyro7
Physics is consistent. Computers are not.
Callito
But why didn't you delete Teemo tho.
MattyMattFFS
I almost worked in game dev. Now I make twice what most of them do and work regular hours with a relaxed schedule... It's ERP crud.
ThenILickItOff
As some who plays way to much LoL and works in the multinational, multimillion IT consulting world. That pretty much adds up.
milliechtwn
amen
AGorgonMadeMyPenisHard
200 years combined game design, can't code a client that functions.
xyxyxyxy31
Enginerrrrrrrrr
Whole Lotta non rocket scientists in here. More complex doesn't equate to harder. Wayyyyyy more factors than that.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Like being responsible for people's safety?
Enginerrrrrrrrr
That would be another one yes. Even if the rocket isn't carrying people that is a factor when being manufactured.
somebodythatyouusetoknow
I've also heard the gaming industry has an issue retaining a keeping SR developers. Ppl burn out quickly.
wabitgirl
Yeah, 80+ hour work weeks at barely subsistence wages in some of the most expensive parts of the country will do that to yu.
gnochi
In game dev, you pay for the lines of code to exist. In aerospace, you pay much more for the lines of code to never fail.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Well put.
HonestCommentFarmer
I game with someone who, I swear, can never be satisfied with a game as it is. He constantly is trying to suck the fun out of his experience
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
All players do this to some extent. Or potentially would if given the opportunity.
Damiv
All I want to know is how Riot has infinite money and still can’t make a decent game client after all these years.
Sargonas
Honestly? It's genuinely hard. I helped work on the latest one... it really IS hard. I can't use as many words as I need to convey it here
Sargonas
In an imgur post, but I will honest to god say that it IS harder making a game client for 120 million people across different platforms than
Sargonas
it is putting a rocket into space, no hyperbole.
Damiv
I totally understand that, I do. Yet other games clients with equally huge player bases all seem to do a much better job.
AttilaMadeMeDoIt
Fucking hella truth. Tens of development branches that somehow always manages to fuck a merge, proceeded by adding breakpoints to a million
AttilaMadeMeDoIt
Line code package makes for needle in a haystack scenario. God damn these monstrosities called game engines are so damn old and retrofitted
AttilaMadeMeDoIt
That there are entire classes/functions surrounded by comment blocks saying "we don't know how it works, don't touch this at all"
AttilaMadeMeDoIt
But NAH the creation engine is STILL viable for the next ES/Fallout game.... Fuck those shitheels and invest in a new fucking engine
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
I learned this lesson long ago. The more people are paying for software, the more polite they are and the more shit they will put up with.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Crash a mainframe once a day with your $100,000 software and they call up all apologetic to have to suggest it might be your fault.
AllTheGoodOnesWereGone
Sell a $100 version of the software to a solo PC user and they'll find a spelling error and call and scream at your receptionist for hours.
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Sad, but true.
ChaosSlave51
huge part of programming is the input set. You have 1 million monkeys pushing random buttons vs, Rocket Go Up
Revelant
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Fleaofpain
ripoffsomecoom
i want the code that can make my rocket go up
DoABarrelRoll1
This^ People are not continually trying to break your rocket. At least physics follows the rules…
ChaosSlave51
Physicists do physics. Mathematicians do math. Programmers just implement pretty straight forward stuff
wabitgirl
Meanwhile "HEY GUYS, WELCOME BACK TO [YOUTUBER] TRIES ONE QUINTILLION WAYS TO BREAK LOL" *Next video* "omg, lol dumb broken game"
kevbot5000
All I can think of from this comment is videos of the series of rocket failures that begat the missile age. So. Much. Failure.
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
And? They weren't programming errors
MrJollyBear
Not all, but a quick search showed there were a fair share.
kevbot5000
I wasn't arguing against the premise, my mind just instantly flashed to missiles going sideways before someone pushed the abort button.
BeetBoxer
I just saw an article about how Amazon's New World MMO is bricking graphics cards, so this seems to be accurate.
FortressCraft
That's a hardware issue, not a software one...
BeetBoxer
Sauce: https://www.pcgamer.com/amazon-new-world-killing-rtx-3090-gpus/
MrSaturday
Bricking bricks, how meta.
SpoilsburyToastMan
Yeah, but only the REALLY expensive ones.
BeetBoxer
And here I just want bitcoin to cool it so I can buy a 4 year old gpu for under $500
TheCrankyCow
Bitcoin does not effect the GPU market. Ethereum does
SpoilsburyToastMan
Amen. Or even a current mid range card at MSRP... 3060 or 3060Ti... They're supposed to be around £400. Rocking horse shit.
ThisNumberHasAName
Bank: "Get it right." Player: "Get it right in the way *I* want it to be right. What do you mean "the other 100 million players?"
Th3H1ghlander
#ea apex legends
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I try to keep my request manageable. Like Riot can you just fix Viper map indicator for wall so it show how long it will ACTUALLY be. And1/2
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
before the big fans get here I know if you aim up it will go all the way to the end but sometimes I want to stop it short for tactics. 2/2
CrunchyLookingLeaf
The quality of.league of.legends code is pretty garbage though. They accidently 1 champ a god when patching a bug. Took 2 days to disable
BryanTenn
How about "get it right when you actually launch the game"?
Sargonas
BINGO!
DatDarthCaedus
My favorite is the players that make massive demands for stuff that would take weeks or months to do properly while claiming that a 1/
DatDarthCaedus
COMPETENT programmer could do it alone in a week, tops. Oh, and they know this 'cause they took a programming class once or whatever.
halo00to14
Add in that those players think that their dollar is worth more than someone else's dollar.
lookingOknaked
The only thing I require from game is its technical quality. Not what I expected? Not a problem. I never found not-bug/feature meme funny.
tevyethemad
Also get it right at least 60 times a second while I actively try to break it. Also make it mod compatible.
MistLynx
Wouldn't need mods if they put in effort to begin with.
tevyethemad
Mehh, certain games make sense with mods. Sandbox games especially.
TheGreatSynan
This. I actively try to break games for fun. I would never try to mess with my bank app.
coothlesscthulhuwastaken
Opposite for me. I get paid to break apps, software, networks, and hardware but I leave my games alone cuz I just want to play.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Well yeah, but that makes sense. Who wants to bring their work into their hobby?
peikkos
Mod games. Build trainers. Make characters nude. We get it.
zafner
Amazing how they continue to turn out shit then I guess. Take Star Trek: there is not one non-Skinner box Trek game for phones
Mostlydeadpool
i think thats just phone games in general. the business model is all skinnerbox shit.
wabitgirl
Phones in general, really. Social media is the same. Hit button, get reward. Sparkly arrow, shiny coin, etc. Hit button, get dopamine.
zafner
Yeah, it was really intended to be an example
SPCNewbie
A lot of games work as skinner boxes Achievement, Post game awards, and scoring systems designed to give reinforcing feedback
Userlivewire
What is a Skinner Box in this context?
zafner
This needs way too much detail for a comment here. I would suggest Wikipedia
TopCommenter
3 wired to seek rewards and these games offer rewards with little initial effort. Then they space rewards out so more&more effort is needed.
TopCommenter
2button 5 days in a row-> get big reward. Don't break your streak! The "game" itself can be pretty hollow (see clicker games) but people are
TopCommenter
1 Games designed to condition the player to grind repetitive, simple tasks frequently and consistently. Press button-> get reward. Press
Sargonas
That;s phone games in general. 90% of mobile dev, even by AAA ips, is outsourced to asian devs studios who have perfected the art of
Sargonas
skinner boxes in a ways that make execs happy because "money machine go brrrrr". Who cares if NA/EU audiences hate it? 11x more players in
Sargonas
the East love this model and will dump more than enough $ into it to make it totally worth it and then some.
Lysergian
Fallout 76 is still struggling everyday, but I enjoy it.. Bugs happen.
BeesechurgerProductions
not to mention its the first game of the branch of BGS working on it, the first of its type in the engine, and has less than 100 workers.
Rifneno
Reminds me when I recently saw the r/cyberpunk reddit listing all the shit with the game and saying "but we still believe." I will now list
Rifneno
all the things I believe more than CDPR: OJ Simpson looking for the real killer, scientology, qanon, Nigerian princes needing my bank info,
Rifneno
claims of the election being stolen from Trump, Kim Jong Un's claims of military superiority over the US, Windows 95's estimates of how long
Rifneno
a large file transfer will take, a Bethesda dev saying their upcoming game is bug free, Casey Hudson talking about Mass Effect, claims
Rifneno
megalodon is still alive, youtube videos showing paranormal phenomenon, China claiming they don't do human rights violations, anything
hajimedj
Game devs deserve a much higher wage and better work conditions, but get shafted at every turn
MisuseOfLiterally
Im lucky enough to work at a very progressive and awesome studio. But my pay could alot higher. Thats my fault for being an artist
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
No. No it's not your fault for being an artist. Tesla is currently hiring env artists for 50k more than games..
MisuseOfLiterally
jesus fuck
idontenglishsorry
Im not trying to downplay your comment. But dont we all deserve a much higher wage and better work conditions? Its like every job that 1/2
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
No, only game dev deserve.
idontenglishsorry
is not for rich people are shit nowadays, it doesnt matter how skilled you are, its insane
Ilikerandomgifs
Well, you could use the same degree and skill set in another industry and get paid about 75% more than games.
idontenglishsorry
wait, really?
Nobody7713
Yeah game devs are underpaid compared to other programmers, game companies prey on the fact that people are passionate about making games.