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SassyVader
Quick reminder that this is only valid in the USA.
theStead42
Vampire cops have to be invited in to your house.
CaptnVonClapp
Thank you for bringing some sense into this discussion!
SpoilerAlertSeanBeanDies
Better call Saul.
rockuhard
fuckin breaking bad
haseverygoddamnusernamebeentakenalready
Disclaimer: rights and laws may vary depending on the country / state you are in.
InfinitusEquitas
Those are only applicable to the US, but valid in all 50 states.
Sfultz01
No some of it doesn't apply to all the states. Mainly what I am talking about is the Warrant part.
InfinitusEquitas
You're right, as of a few months ago, cops in PA can search a car without a warrant - until it gets to supreme court again.
Dragaroth
If I had a nickel everytime I saw these images with half-helpful, half dumb as shit advice, I'd have enough to buy a boat
TheWheatOne
You must have bought a lot of boats over your lifetime.
Dragaroth
I own a fleet. sadly I gambled them in a risky attack against the English, and the fleet was destroyed. I lost my world power soon after.
xLiatrusx
Unless its' in California. Then just get ready to be royally fucked
almostsomething182
Or Houston. That shit's messed up.
ildolce
Really though. The worst things about Cali are the cops,LA traffic and Japanese radiation. Also it's too far from Europe :(
MyPeopleShootingHat
As a Californian who has been recently "royally fucked" by our pathetic and corrupt legal system, Ron Swanson is basically my 1/2
MyPeopleShootingHat
2/2 only reason to still have pride in this country.
creefer
Or New York City.
mobiusm1
in LA, always carry lube on your person and exclaim "I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS SEARCH WITHOUT LUBE"
zavalava
If it wasn't for invasive searches id never get any :(
Lyrabelle
Grew up in Oakland. I cried the first time I was stopped.
seethe42
So based on this tumblr bait, as long as I say Call me Mary... they have to put me in with the chicks? I call Bull.
ImCommanderShepardAndThisIsMyFavoriteImageInTheGallery
I work at a jail, it is BS. They assign you to barracks based on current genitalia, but you can be put in iso on request (penis+boobs, etc)
MyNameisTakenSoisThis
A friend of mine is a police officer. Good to know that I can just walk away from our conversations
lawrus
As someone who works in criminal law: THIS SHIT VARIES FROM STATE TO STATE
ilusiones89
In the UK, the police can legally stop and search you randomly. I think most of these apply here though.
bobnotk
Please do not listen to the frisk part. It's called a Terry Stop and is perfectly legal. Hindering the officer in this may get you arrested
JBib
...sigh... You obviously didn't even read it. It plainly states the conditions that must be met.
TacticalWeaponsAssaultTeam
1/2 Some of these are so inaccurate, following this advise is more likely to get you arrested. Please, PLEASE, don't let this be your only
TacticalWeaponsAssaultTeam
2/2 source of legal advice. Sign off of imgur and go read a fucking book. You know, maybe learn some shit.
faulerwulf
"Reads the wheel of time." Okay, how does that help me here, exactly?
TacticalWeaponsAssaultTeam
Because you read something and nobody can take that away from you.
alexonfyre
As someone who just took an exam on this in Law school, the police can definitely base reasonable suspicion on profiling.
KesyKitty
Wouldnt a good place to learn this stuff be in highschool...? Learning your rights, knowing what to do in these situations and what not? +1
krallisawesome
I learnt stuff like this in Sixth Form (British thing), but only because I specifically took Law. I suppose they might've taught us this 1/2
krallisawesome
in General Studies, but no one ever turned up for General Studies. 2/2
Butane9000
Except high school doesn't train or prepare ANYONE for becoming an adult. Not their rights, not their day to day requirements (bills) etc.
Scutterbotch
teaching actual useful life skills in schools? hahahahahah
MyBubbles
I learnt it in college. But it should be taught to everyone.
dysfunctionalcontrol
The constitutional teachings are being taken out of schools in the US nowadays.
TheBiggestCuntOnImgur
Because they're too busy conditioning you to be an unquestioning white collar slave.
SamTheBook
Mine certainly taught this.
PhamQu
They don't even teach us how to do taxes or how to manage mortgage, which I believe is just as important.
MoString
Schools aren't for educating anymore. They are for ensuring someone can pass a test.
acunninglinguist
I sure as fuck wish I'D learned this shit in high school. Would have saved me a lot of trouble later.
induren
Oh right like teachers want you knowing how to exercise your rights. They're paid to get you to comply.
totemizer
wouldn't be a good place where you shouldn't be afraid of the police?
Luminousfox
Whats all this talk about rights? Go back to those linear equations!
GenuineHumanFemale
But then that may lead to lower arrest and conviction rates, meaning relevant politicians aren't tough enough on crime.
khora
They should focus on reducing the crime then, not punishing it.
GenuineHumanFemale
Shhh! Don't let a politician hear that, that's a slippery slope to treating drug addiction as a medical problem!
eatingketchupchips
we did in law class in canada! also, read warrants. most dont include garages therefore they cant search your garage/toolshed etc.
bigstrapper530
We had a cop come into a class and told us what to say if they showed up at a party. No you can't come in works pretty good.
Reg06
Education is not the goal of public schools
HiNicckk
You would think. My high school never taught us any life schools. They just told us to take these classes and memorize this.
zoidberg92
It's called indoctrination. I agree these life lessons would be much more useful than may things that are taught now.
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
Yeah....in my school we had to memorize the laws, and there were soooo many, they didn't even taught it to you, jut memorize, and writte it.
mayormeowsalot
My government teacher did not go over any of this. She just said don't get in trouble and you won't need to know it
pdSlooper
Hahaha, what a dope.
mayormeowsalot
Right? I had a terrible sex ed teacher too! Pretty much told sex was evil and you would get STDs and die lol
pdSlooper
People who believe in the just world fallacy should not be teaching children.
thatwilldopig
I worked with at risk teenagers and we taught them this. There's a video that explains why you should never talk to cops.
HommeDeBois
I had a 'Law Enforcement' class in HS, the teacher was the school's duty officer. He taught us all this stuff and more.
MonkeyWithAPun
If we start talking about the things that should be taught in high school, but aren't, we're going to be here all day.
Simba96
we have that in norway, the cops come and give a presentation telling about your rights and what to do in different situations.
PepeSilviaPepeSilvia
I ducking love Scandinavia
m3htevas
The cops teach the class themselves? Why do I feel like there are so many better places I could be living?
Patman1485
A lot of people get their knowledge of Rights from TV. This why America is doomed.
Twenty3Skidoo
I learned a lot of this from my H.S. American Gov class, and the rest from my college Constitutional Law class that was core curriculum.
squidwardscissorhands
We did learn this in high school.
ghsdkgb
They do, in the form of, "here is the constitution" in like eighth grade, buried in the rest of the curriculum.
vanella
or, you know, don't get into a situation where you need to know them.....
musicalmammal
On that note, favourited.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
My government teacher in college was a MAJOR Constitutional purest. So we got a LOT of knowledge on our rights. It was AWESOME!
hoofbeatsandsnowflakes
me as well. We even had debates about certain laws (he'd choose sides for us, so we wouldn't be biased)
joshgrami
We need more like him/her.
GrandTheftMosby
In political science, my senior year, we had about a month of rights, legal and unreasonable searches, etc.
literallymike
Nope. We need too much time to learn about the Pythagorean Theorem and reading A Separate Peace.
theyak
The paranoia! It doesn't hurt to be a human being and listen for a second what they're asking you about.
omgwhatamidoing
If so many cops weren't assholes to your average person for no reason it wouldn't have to be like this. Blame cops for ruining it.
3Hamswillkillhim
Know your state laws and do not take this advice
ReverendLovejoy
Most of these are constitutional protections and apply in all states
3Hamswillkillhim
Does your state require you to show ID or state your legal name. What are the loitering laws. What are you in violation of?
JBib
This is why you ASK THE QUESTION. If the cop is detaining you it must be a reasonable and articulable suspicion. It can be easily fought.
3Hamswillkillhim
How easily?
NeverEndingStoryMachine
A grand majority of this is Constitutional stuff so it applies in all 50 states. Besides the LGBTQ stuff, it's sound.
3Hamswillkillhim
Yeah but asking if you are free to go is an easy way to get detained frisked and searched. Are you in a car or walking makes a big did too
3Hamswillkillhim
You should also always assume they have cause too. All they need to say is you were acting erratically and it is your word vs theirs
JBib
Wrong. Sheep.
3Hamswillkillhim
If I was a sheep, I would have gone into law enforcement like my family. You keep playing lawyer son
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kmikl
State laws cannot abridge federal laws. These follow the bill of rights.
SmoggyDwarf
Should also note that there is a "Public Safety" exception to your right to remain silent.
Konoton
"How's it going, citizen. Nice day isn-" "Am I being detained?" "*sigh* no, you're free to go."
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JBib
What a ludicrous piece of logic. So, you can only call someone something if you are not also that thing?
ImgurMontoya
I didn't say that. If you were in a store and bumped into a woman with your cart, would you say "Sorry, shopper."?
JBib
Perhaps. You certainly could.
ImgurMontoya
I understand you could, and there isn't anything wrong with it, I just find it weird.
NopeHunter
That was a reference to many movies/books/games
ImgurMontoya
It just rolls of the tongue weird, in my opinion. That's like saying "Hello, American." or "Hello, Australian." if you are either of those.
NopeHunter
Maybe Ive just played too much Half-Life 2 to notice.
spareseatonmyface
Fine "How's it going, sir/ma'am"
ImgurMontoya
I think that makes more sense. I guess people don't like questions, either. :P
SteveD3
Much of this will get you into trouble with a law. If an officer stops you, remain calm, polite, and do not raise your voice. (1)
SteveD3
Cooperate with them, even if you think what they are doing is illegal, and after you are let go, or arrested, speak w/ an attorney. (2)
InfinitusEquitas
Just one thing, cooperation does not mean consent. DO NOT CONSENT TO ANYTHING, and "I do not consent to a search".
raidleadergutts
As if that ever stops them from searching anyway.
noirthesable
The exclusionary rule protects against the fallout from illegal searches. More damage control than prevention, though.
InfinitusEquitas
No, but if it's on record, it could help you after the fact. I've been subjected to an unlawful arrest and illegal search myself.
raidleadergutts
"After the fact". As if the cops who did the criminal act of searching without consent or warrant are held responsible for it.
SteveD3
If you are arrested, just remain silent, answer no questions other than to state your name, birthdate, address. Ask for a lawyer. (3)
SteveD3
If arrested, see (3) and remember to only speak /w your lawyer. Even a court appointed lawyer is better than none. (4)
faulerwulf
But isn't that pretty much what this whole post said? I never saw it say yell, be a jerk, and freak the fuck out.
kingj07
I hope this is 50 state accurate because I upvoted.
LmaoWhoresuit
Nope. the one about detention is too broad to be of use as there are two types of detention and they change with the situation.
UseTheSource
anyone not from the US already assumes this is not for us.
JohnFloorwalker
lgbt laws are a little shady in Kansas, but about every one of these are from landmark supreme cout cases, the constitution, or common stuff
acidjuicemotel
(1) Most of these rules come direct from the Constitution so they should apply nationwide. States may pass laws providing more protection
TheRealDurdan
is south australia one of the 50 states?
packasmacks
Only some states have stop-and-identify laws, in all the rest, you're not required to show ID unless you've committed a crime.
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
SCOTUS - failure to give name when police have reasonable suspicion to detain can give probable cause to arrest
HaplessMagician
It isn't. There are places that recording cops is illegal.
omgwhatamidoing
False, the supreme court has ruled in multiple cases that public officials have no expectation of privacy while performing their duties.
Sfultz01
Yea some of these are different in some states. <==I am da popo
MasterTenzin
In some states you're required to get cop permission to film them, and in others they'll still try to bust you for some unrelated offense.
omgwhatamidoing
False, the supreme court has ruled in multiple cases that public officials have no expectation of privacy while performing their duties.
rshackleford
most of these rules are rooted in the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments of the Constitution, so for the most part yeah
Samaellb
It's not completely accurate, no.
ReverendLovejoy
All of these are constitutional protections, so yes
ImgurisluvImgurislife
It's not
jwess222
New York has a questionable stop and frisk policy
MetalJesus
Not just questionable, unreasonable.
manslut
De Blasio appealed the stop & frisk policy. Yay!
Glumerlink
Not anymore we don't, turns out it was being used mostly on black people so it really served no purpose
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
I really don't get this...the inner city is normally 95% minority's so of course they will be targeted..there are no white people
Glumerlink
The thing is they did a study on it and turns out the cops would just stop and frisk black people for no reason
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
Ok, I gotcha. So basically they were just frisking random people in the inner city, not because they were acting suspicious or anything
garthhh
I don't know how anyone could even interpret that policy to be remotely constitutional
ReptilianOverlord
It was eliminated, but that doesn't mean cops aren't still harassing black people for no good reason. See Eric Garner
supernoname
The frisk slide is a bit off. They can look in your pockets if they feel something and not consenting doesn't matter at all.
Trox3l
Only problem... Reasonable Suspicion and Probable Cause are really vague and abused frequently by officers. Source: My friend is a cop.
Unicornhornforcats
But knowing and calmly asserting your rights will help you out in later phases. better arrest and dismissed than freak out and conviction
sianmink
Some drug dogs have been legit trained to alert on command just to give the cops an excuse to search.
intooblv
No kidding. "I smelled [insert substance]" comes to mind.
InfinitusEquitas
Something hanging from the mirror? = Probably cause. Guy just put something in his pocket? = Reasonable suspicion.
CrimeBrulee
That's why you get an attorney. You think cops know how to be tricky with words....
garthhh
"I think I smell drugs"
bigpinkdress
They looked in this guys mouth on an episode of Cops and said "His tongue is still green, he's been smoking pot." EXCUSE ME, WHAT?
Sfultz01
Cops is a terrible T.V. show.
intooblv
Lemon-lime potsicle!
2arqu0n
Same with "if they believe drugs or other evidence is being destroyed"... "Yeah we heard your toilet flush, we're going in"???
DoctorWatchamacallit
because if they don't go in that gives an easy loophole for a criminal to destroy evidence with? and they have to have a warrant anyways
2arqu0n
My comment was about how vaguely this is worded-"believe". Also, it was stated explicitly that they don't need a warrant if they believe so.
yourstruly0
You guys are missing the point, they go in WITHOUT a warrant if they suspect shenanigans in the domicile. No warrant, uninvited!
NopeHunter
+1 for shenanigans in the domicile
ReverendLovejoy
That's why you get a good lawyer (if you're rich) and argue it in court
Unicornhornforcats
Becoming a public defender is an incredibly prestigious thing now. The PD job I got had 2000+ applicants. I'm damn good. And free.
ReverendLovejoy
Sorry just going by mainstream perception. I'm glad that's the case and congrats
Unicornhornforcats
No worries, you're right about the perception and in some small/ poor jurisdictions its still a big issue with access to justice
yourstruly0
Are you not US
Unicornhornforcats
I will be a public defender in New York City.....last I checked that was US.
MySpoonIsT00Big
I had 5 guns pointed at me for taking a walk at night while wearing black. I'm not kidding, that's the reason they gave me.
intooblv
*while being Black. I think you misheard them.
DoctorWatchamacallit
Lets be fair here. that DOES look pretty suspicious, especially since wearing black at night for a walk is a bad idea, cars can't see you.
BrainBlow
Well then you don't walk out in traffic then.
MySpoonIsT00Big
Last I checked, wearing black at night is definitely not a crime.
zeroofshadow
black sweaters are a dime a dozen, be more surprised if someone didn't have then if they did. and there are places to walk with no roads
DoctorWatchamacallit
that's not the point. the point is its basic safety to go out at night with visible clothing, and if you don't you are either up to no good,
zeroofshadow
or you wear black sweaters cause it's cold at night when you want to go for a walk? there's no need to be seen if there's no roads.
MySpoonIsT00Big
At the time I actually only owned black clothing. I was walking on sidewalks in well-lit areas...and I don't cross the street like a jackass
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) or seriously endangering yourself, knowingly or not. and you can't just assume the latter, cause what if he WAS up to no good.
MySpoonIsT00Big
You can ask; there's no reason to have 2 cop cars with their lights on come screeching over and to have 5 officers take out their guns.
zeroofshadow
if he was up to no good, he would have comitted a crime, you cannot punish people for wearing black, i only own black clothing.
Glumerlink
I don't wanna be that guy but if you haven't done anything illegal they really can't do more than make you wait around for a little while
BentoboxCrackerdong
In Britain they can hold you for days if they think up some vaguely plausible terrorist excuse. If it's a good excuse then Months.
Evreck
Most legal scholars agree that nearly every US citizen commits at least one federal crime a day, because there are so many crimes on book
Evreck
Granted, there is next to no chance a beat cop is going to know of or care about the obscure crimes that you may have accidentally committed
Glumerlink
Well...yeah but you have to do it in FRONT of them, i really doubt that'll happen
CPatricoo
[Source needed]
J2383
Harvey Silverglate
350Zoidberg
It's still a major inconvenience for no reason, not to mention a waste of tax money.
CPatricoo
"I had to wait around! The horror!"
yourstruly0
Any time I'm kept from work not only costs me, but if it's an office day I'm responsible for opening the door so everyone else can work.
AuBoss
You are confusing the words "major" and "minor"
350Zoidberg
It may be fine for you, but some people have jobs that they depend on. If I'm held up from going, that takes money out of my pocket.
350Zoidberg
That is a major inconvenience, not minor.
phyzome
And for some people, that can mean losing their job. Or you might also get beaten or have property destroyed. No biggie, you know?
Glumerlink
If you get beaten or property is stolen when you've done nothing wrong you can go after the police
phyzome
I'm guessing the following are true: You are a white male young adult, middle or upper class, living in a midsize to large city.
Glumerlink
half right, i'm a white male, 24 years old, living in a small city and i'm poor as dirt
J2383
You have a lot of faith in cops
Glumerlink
I think the vast majority of cops are genuinely trying to do their jobs, it's rare to hit on one who is trying to make your day harder
ipromisediwouldntbutohwell
Walking away without answering a cop's questions seems like a great way to raise that "reasonable suspicion" it takes to get detained.
DoctorWatchamacallit
YES! why does nobody understand that cops don't ask questions JUST to people they want to punish? they also ask you stuff to find out who
ricinus
Uncle did this ended up getting beat by the cops. Died of his injuries. Legal or not, it pisses off people in power when you defy them.
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) the real criminals are. if you refuse to answer questions about who the real criminals are, you begin to look pretty suspicious.
packasmacks
It's reasonable suspicion that you've committed a specific crime. They can't just stop you randomly and ask questions for no reason.
ipromisediwouldntbutohwell
Good point. I still think it would be a really bad idea, though.
bigdaddyfatpants
Come to the D and try to run that.
packasmacks
Just so happens I live just outside Detroit, the majority of cops don't feel like dealing with you if you start recording and ask to leave.
3Hamswillkillhim
Sure can. And stick around because your eyes are bloodshot
Twocancallan
Not really, a lot of cops would find that very easy to justify reasonable suspicion of you being intoxicated or on drugs
Rumplepump
They may do that, but if they do, it will be thrown out in court later on, as well as any evidence gained from it.
BentoboxCrackerdong
Doesn't matter - if they feel slighted then they will do it to punish you.
Twocancallan
Which would be enough for a search through some legislation, coming from a uk perspective
packasmacks
And a lot of lawyers would fight that in court as unlawful detainment.
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) can ask you questions on a suspect who they HAVE reasonable suspicion for, as a way to fact check anything the suspect says
DoctorWatchamacallit
yes, they can. that's kind of the point of an investigative police officer. you don't have to have suspicion of commiting a crime, they
packasmacks
I don't know where you're getting that from, they can't stop and ask questions randomly, and you can't be forced to self-incriminate anyway.
DoctorWatchamacallit
self incrimination has nothing do with this. and yes they can ask questions to people not suspected of crime, especially if that person
packasmacks
They can ask questions all they want, you're not obligated to answer them unless you're being detained.
DoctorWatchamacallit
may have information on actual suspects. i.e. where was suspect x last night?
NeverEndingStoryMachine
Walking away if you're not detained cannot be used as part of suspicion or probable cause. Running though...
DoctorWatchamacallit
it can actually. lets say someone commits a murder and the cops ask you if you saw anything. they have no reason to suspect you specifically
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) and thus cannot detain you, but if you refuse to answer questions about a murder, that's suspicious as hell.
NeverEndingStoryMachine
But your refusal to answer questions cannot be used as part of probable cause. The invocation of your rights cannot be used against you.
DoctorWatchamacallit
Yes it can be used, because those are not ACTUALLY your rights. this page is full of BULLSHIT. you don't get to opt out of an investigation
DoctorWatchamacallit
3) couldn't have done it and can't be detained, but it IS NOT your right to refuse to cooperate in the investigation, and will result in
DoctorWatchamacallit
4) your own investigation.
NeverEndingStoryMachine
Are you an attorney?
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) because you aren't being detained. if your brother is the prime suspect but you were 200miles away at the time of incidence, you
deadcow
the 5th amendment says otherwise.
DoctorWatchamacallit
groan. the fifth amendment says NOTHING of the sort. it states that you have to have a jury decide your fate for capital crimes, you can't
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
5th only applies to to compelled testimonial that would elicit self-incriminating statements in state or federal court
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
Or if you have been arrested and given/failed to be given Miranda warnings
ArcaneConjecture
"The 5th Amendment says otherwise". Tell it to the doctor who treats your concussion from the beatdown you'll get.
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) against yourself. That has NOTHING to do with any of this.
DoctorWatchamacallit
no, it doesn't. it says you can't be tried for the same thing twice, capital crimes require a jury, and you can't be required to testify
Glumerlink
they really don't NEED reasonable suspicion to take you in anyway. It's legal for the cops to just hold you for a day or two
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
They can't hold you for a day or two for no reason.
Glumerlink
But they can, depending on the state it can be as long as 72 hours.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
Source?
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
Detention in a jail cell is a custodial arrest which requires probable cause of a crime. Filing charges is a separate matter
ipromisediwouldntbutohwell
I'm no expert in american law, but I just looked it up and can't see how it "says otherwise" at all. What do you mean?
deadcow
You have the right to not answer any questions. As a right, it can not be used as reasonable suspicion.
InfinitusEquitas
driving/operating machinery.
InfinitusEquitas
your 5th amendment right. Also you are legally required to provide your name and address. Absolutely nothing more though, and no ID unless
ipromisediwouldntbutohwell
Wait, I get it.It's the part about not bearing "witness against himself". Right. I still think it'd be a good way to piss off the cop. (3/2)
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
5th only applies to to compelled testimonial that would elicit self-incriminating statements in state or federal court
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
Or if you have been arrested and given/failed to be given Miranda warnings
InfinitusEquitas
Actually supreme court ruled it can be used as probably cause (higher standard than reasonable suspicion) unless you state you are invoking
deadcow
Actually, i take that back. I re-read it and didnt realize it continued in the next reply. Sorry :( You do have to clearly state it.
deadcow
Do you have the case where the supreme court said pleading the 5th can be used as probable cause? i'm calling bullshit
ipromisediwouldntbutohwell
being detained would be "deprived of liberty", but that doesn't hold. (2/2)
deadcow
Like the post says, if they do not have reasonable suspicion, they can't detain you. If they do not have probable cause, they cant arrest 1
deadcow
the 5th says "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself" any question they ask could incrimintate you.
ipromisediwouldntbutohwell
Only thing I could see it might violate is this: "...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law", as in (1/2)
Rumplepump
incriminating against yourself, and your refusal to give information cannot be used against you.
Rumplepump
"nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." That is, you can't be forced to give information that is (1/2
CirqueDuSolaire
That LGBQT one was a good laugh, would love to see someone actually be dumb enough to try it.
PMMEYOURLADYSHRUBBERY
I'm a female, officer. Is it really this easy?
ImCommanderShepardAndThisIsMyFavoriteImageInTheGallery
I work in jail and the part about being housed with your 'preferred' gender is bollocks. It's not about respect, it's about rape prevention.
LmaoWhoresuit
Lol yep, they may place the person in a different cell if they feel they may be in danger.
Twocancallan
Actually happens quite a lot, if someone says they prefer to be adressed as her/him and they look biologically the opposite, not many cops
Twocancallan
Will reject the request
kmikl
Few will, but the reason is mostly lawsuits/job action for the ones that would normally.
othersideofthetree
As a trans girl who looks feminine but hasn't had the legal work done yet, thank you for standing up for us and proving him wrong.
Twocancallan
Honestly, no thanks needed. Hope all goes well with the legal malarkey :)
Twocancallan
No idea why this has been down voted haha
othersideofthetree
Holy crap though, -5? I must have seriously offended some people.
Glumerlink
Yeah but do you know how ridiculous it is to ask someone to refer to you in a certain way when you'll only talk to them for 5 minutes?
flakeOfDoom
Then everyone could just refer to people they're briefly talking to as whatever they want, no? 'Excuse me, vanilla, what time is it?'
Glumerlink
They can and most people do
Twocancallan
It's not ridiculous if that's how you want to be spoken to, I wouldn't like to be called "her" for a 5 minute conversation, why should lgbt
Glumerlink
Because if the cop is behaving like an ass, buying into it isn't going to make the experience more pleasant for you.
Twocancallan
People be any different?
L4wyerup
Step 1: shut up, Step 2: Request attorney, Step 3: See step 1 until attorney arrives
RodanMurkharr
Don't talk to cops https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik (if in a hurry, skip to 8:20)
LadiesInboxMeYourInsecurities
That name...
myweaknessisstrong
I'd suggest empathizing with the officer, try it. Say "I know you're only doing your job, but I refuse consent etc."
IWrestledABearAndWon
Solid advice, but I can't help but feel you may be biased...
L4wyerup
What gave it away...?
EatMyShag
If you're a man, Step 1 : Ask for the cute blond to frisk you. Step 2 : ALWAYS declare you're a woman!
Andropofken
How do you request that attorney if you shut up?
ButterfaceTaintClown
I'm going with cop watch. "am I free to go" should ALWAYS be step 1.
kapteinsabeltann
That's probably the best way of making the cop start looking for reasons to say no.
DorcasAurelia
This is surprisingly difficult to do in the drama of the moment, especially if you're innocent and the cop is just being an asshole.
ChangingMyNameToTim
Step 1 dont break the fucking law and keep a low profile.
Unicornhornforcats
As a defense attorney, yes. Really, shut up. No matter how nice they seem. Shut. Up.
DAVdaBRAV
You have to vocalize your right to remain silent first. If you do not actively claim it, then your silence can be used as EVIDENCE in court.
brotasticbrojaculation
Twocancallan
Doesn't really work though does it? Lots of reasons police can request info without a lawyer present
Resurrectionist
They can request all they want, doesn't mean you have to give it to them.
Twocancallan
Again, this is from a UK perspective, they can demand a lot more than that in a lot of circumstances
bruzski
Nope. All they can get w/o consent is name and address.
Twocancallan
Maybe in US, should have clarified
Glumerlink
Don't trust cop movies, once you request an attorney they legally can't even ask you your name until one arrives
ChickenandFishMakesAGreatDish
False, they can obtain personal information for procedural matters, like booking
Twocancallan
trust an actual cop, in the UK; yes the can
ReverendLovejoy
I would add most cops are really sly about asking you for permission to frisk/search. Something like, "I'm going to pat you down ok?" Always
ReverendLovejoy
say no
LmaoWhoresuit
Its also the polices right to prtect themselves TO pat you down.
LmaoWhoresuit
How is that sly? maybe if yoru retarded that sly... considering a frisk is also known as a PAT DOWN.
ReverendLovejoy
Not the wording, the actual ask. As in "I'm going to frisk/pat you down" vs "Do I have permission to frisk/pat you down"
LmaoWhoresuit
They dont have to ask... its the polices right to apt you down to protect themselves or did you not read?
ReverendLovejoy
They'll generally ask you if they don't have enough cause. I suggest better reading comprehension
ReverendLovejoy
No they dont have the right. They can if they have reasonable suspicion that you are committing a crime or have something that can hurt them
stigmawizard
Better call Saul!
IThinkWeAllKnowWhoLetTheDogsOut
I really hope that show doesnt end up sucking.
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
Yoy mean the Spin-off right?, because breaking bad was over a year ago......
workundone
The spinoff is called Better Call Saul
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
So..... you meant breaking bad? the show ended months ago...
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
yeah... i remember now, thanks x)
IThinkWeAllKnowWhoLetTheDogsOut
Well I commented on the comment "Better call Saul" which is the name of said spin-off. So......
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
Yeah, thanks
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
ooh, sorry
lucus
In the UK, we still have the right to silence, but the silence can be used as an implication of guilt in court. Pretty fucked up.
L4wyerup
In the US, SCOTUS says that you have to affirmatively state your wish to remain silent. http://www.oyez.org/cases/2010-2019/2012/2012_12_246
bangbangbangbang
I think that's a thing here in the states too, now. I swear I heard about it somewhere.
BorderlineBoozehound
With a jury, they could interpret it how they want, which means they could see it as an implication of guilt.
DoctorCatDog
Well that goes against your 5th amendment right protecting you against self incrimination so unless there was a repeal...nope. It stands.
bangbangbangbang
Someone posted a comment saying you have to STATE that you're exercising your right to remain silent, or else it could be incriminating 1/2
bangbangbangbang
but I really hope that's not the case, because that's obnoxious. 2/2
DoctorCatDog
I thought that was only when you were actually in court. When arrested you're specifically told you have the right to remain silent.
bruzski
Silence than it is to defend stupidity
kelpsie
I'll second his wat.
NotACanadian
Next time, reply to your existing comment.
kapteinsabeltann
Seriously, this has 26 upvotes and counting. I can not come up with a single suggestion for what it might mean. Can someone please decipher?
EmeraldElement
Check his other reply beginning with "I second this"
NotACanadian
It's a part 2 to the other comment.
kapteinsabeltann
wat.
bruzski
I second this. My uncle is a criminal law prof. and one of his lectures is "shut the fuck up" because it is always easier to defend... (1/2)
gammaraycharles
Against getting violated with a nightstick if you keep all of your holes as tightly sealed as possible (2/2)
dysfunctionalcontrol
Think they just had a report on how nightsticks cause the most damage to people from cops every year. Fucking gross.
AuBoss
I would think it was pretty obvious night sticks would cause the most damage. That is their entire purpose.
Glumerlink
You mean i shouldn't repeatedly ask them what the charges are in an "I'm better than you" tone?
imqur
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
InsaneChemist
How the hell did you get imgur as a username?
imqur
Q
bangbangbangbang
I wondered the same thing, but I think it's a lowercase Q.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Also, be polite. Really. Keep your rights in mind, but also be polite. You would be surprised how far politeness takes you with officers.
Dominomotion8
I got caught shoplifting in macys. I looked the guy in the eye and shook his hand. I said hello I'm "farquad" nice to meet you" no charges.
PhallecBaldwin
You gotta think: Police put up with so much crap from human scum, a little politeness might just make their day.
kmikl
Definitely yes. But if they are abridging your rights, you shouldn't have to accept that.
iateadragonfly
Being polite takes you far in pretty much every situation in life.
ominousdusk
Srsly. Got caught with a bunch of weed and high as fuck. "Yes sir" "no sir" 10/10 "have a nice day stay out of trouble"
ANdeePanda
Are you Chip?
besttom
Politeness, and my military ID have gotten me out of MANY tickets. Well, the military ID mostly...but yes, the politeness helped too.
iwishjtmoneywasstillavailableitsmyoldvideogamemoniker
I have noticed that since I have stop being a dick to cops they have stopped being dicks to me.
mouschi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8 - One of the many steps outlined in this easy to follow manual
HeckNoTechno
This is so true. I got caught with alcohol underage and the cop asked what I had in my water bottle and I immediately told him the truth 1/2
HeckNoTechno
and he told me to "pound it and throw it away" best cop ever.
proxieme
When I was a teen, I was pulled over for going 50 in a 25. The officers asked me about the FOP stickers on the back of my car. "Are you >
proxieme
>affiliated with the department?" *confused look* "What? No...my Mom bought your jams and jellies and told me to put these on my bumper.">
proxieme
>They looked at each other and smiled. I was let off with a warning. CAUTION: Results may vary if you're not a cute white girl.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Careful opening that inbox, little lady
SavageHonesty
Damn you cute white girl!!!
Drwoody2006
prepare your inbox
ElectronicArtsOfficial
I've got more friends on the local force than have pulled me over. Protip - If you're in a small town, make cop friends. It always helps.
HomeBrewtality
This...being a dick will get you nowhere. Always act within your rights and be polite.
Skiafluff
I find the "be a dick to officers and then post it online" movement to be appalling. There's no reason to be a dick until they are to you.
whutserface
It's easy to be polite when they're kicking down your door and shoving automatic rifles in your face. Don't ask why I know this. No reason.
COLONELSARGE
Driving commercial vehicle, talking on cell phone. (Hands free) Swerved across a lane (my dumb ass) get pulled over by state trooper 1/x
COLONELSARGE
Asks for insurance, don't have proof. 900 dollars worth of tickets and fines for not having proof and reckless driving. 2/x
COLONELSARGE
Be straight up with cop. He let's me off with 2 warnings and no fines.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Exactly, people make mistakes and they know it. Happens to everyone, just stay polite and usually things can be ended amicably.
COLONELSARGE
I see on cops all the time people that are just stupid. If your nice you get off easy. If you get arrested just sit down, shut up and, 1/2
Kriegson
You would be surprised how far politeness takes you with people.* Why does this even need to be said? Want something? Don't be a dick.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
I wish it didn't have to be said. Yet, it does :-(
autismcleric
Lots of people can tend to forget politeness during a hard day or just expecting to be treated better. Reciprocal behavior is hard to 1/2
autismcleric
keep in mind for some. 2/2
whereintheworldisfozziebear
Was sweet as pie to the officers arresting me for driving on a suspended license. I got driven back to my car and my license back.
sidfromtoystory
i've always been polite to them but honestly, in my experience a lot of the police officers i've spoke to are very rude and assumptive
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Weird, most of them I talk to are perfectly nice people.
sidfromtoystory
3 and for some reason, i'm not sure why, asked me ' are those your needles?' at first i thought he was joking but he just wasn't. admittidly
sidfromtoystory
2 smoking outside of this building, a cop car pulled up outside and started yelling over at me. he then came over, looked at my rizla paper
sidfromtoystory
i've spoke to a lot of nice and fair ones too. it's just generally i find they stereotype people a lot. a couple of months ago i was 1
sidfromtoystory
4 he did apologize but i just kinda hate the way they assume everyones a criminal, especially teens
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Obviously there are exceptions to every rule, but in general this will help both parties get through a situation peacefully.
3Hamswillkillhim
Are you an officer, officer?
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
I am not. But am family with some and have a few friends that are/were.
wastewanderer
No, he's the Doctor, and this is his Tardis, didn't you notice?
OddlyCantEven
Be polite, but also keep your mouth shut. Usually cops will leverage your attempts at being polite in order to get you to admit to things.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Of course. Be polite, but remember your rights.
Kriegson
Been watching too much TV I think. An admission under duress is useless in court and fucks over the cop.
OddlyCantEven
There is no "duress". Cops gather information AGAINST you. It is what they are trained to do. Protect as many rights as you have.
IdLikeToRideAPigIntoBattle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc worth the watch if you want to know just how horrendous the current legal system is.
WhyShouldILoveYou
If you did something illegal, usually admitting it likely goes to your favor as opposed to trying to lie about it to an officer.
whutserface
This is complete bullshit. Do not follow this advice. Just don't.
OddlyCantEven
No, you will have admitted to an officer that you committed the crime. Cops are NOT your friends, you won't talk your way out of trouble.
WhyShouldILoveYou
If I've done something wrong, I don't see why I should get out of trouble. If I'm being falsely accused that's a different matter.
OddlyCantEven
Good Guy Prisoner :)
DrWolvesbane
Not in my country
themajor77
Can you imagine working a job where most every single person is being a smartass 100% of the time? Being respectful goes a long way.
thesu
So... it's like working helpdesk?
themajor77
Yeah but because you're actually doing your job people just hate you.
kmikl
Only in so much as you're dealing with attitude a lot.
Ziiiro
Got me from going to jail to only paying a steep fine.
strykerG8
If you work in customer service, you know how you respond to polite behavior and dickish behavior.
Sinus23
Or with people in general.
UnspokenX
I keep thinking to myself "What about those cops who get videotaped choking to death an unarmed, unresisting dude and get off scot free?"
UnspokenX
and I wonder how much this would actually do to deter them, might just make em more pissed off. If they can pull that shit at will...
thatFamilyMan
This so much this. As a LEO, if on a stop and some has a shitty attitude I'm more inclined to issue a citation rather than a warning
BiggieCheeseForStateGovernor
Being polite with one when I cycled through a pair of closing train-gates got me out of a £900 fine, no lie.
BiggieCheeseForStateGovernor
In the end, he just gave a 2 minute lecture on why to not break traffic law (even on a bicycle), asked my name and let me go
kittybuttwiggle
Kinda goes against OP's first picture. Some of these info posts portray your rights as RULES and turn people into insufferable cocks.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
How does being polite go against that?
kittybuttwiggle
The post doesn't say you CAN walk away. It says you SHOULD - ignore the officer unless you're detained. You wouldn't do that to a normal guy
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Different situation from a normal guy I think. Just ask, if yes, then say thank you and leave. Nothing rude about that.
madmatt2024
Nope, vary rude. Suppose a crime was committed nearby and all the officer wants to do is ask if you saw anything. Instead of answering 1/2
kittybuttwiggle
I suppose I see what you're saying, though I'd hate to be a police officer if *everyone* did that to me :c
madmatt2024
his questions you keep asking if you are being detained and if you can leave. This makes you look suspicious and/or like a jerk. 2/2
whoopsie
My friend was cuffed for a bar fight. He sat quiet and calmly while the other guy yelled and struggled. One was released, one got assault...
SirFormidio
It's like if you get caught smoking weed, and just say "Yeah, I have." They'll usually take the rest of it, but let you off with a warning.
DavidAndrews
I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you are white.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
I guess race has everything to do with everything.
DavidAndrews
It was a joke that sort of references the fact that often times being white and polite works where being black and polite does not.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Oh haha. Sorry. I just really try not to see race. "Peoples is peoples" is more of my philosophy.
channelranger
Keep in mind, an officer can easily fuck up your night for little to no reason if he feels like it. Don't piss him off
kmikl
Understand that there are some that will do that without any provocation at all.
TexasBaconMan
And calm. Staying calm in an intense situation is important .... and difficult.
imnotcleverenoughforthis
A lot of the MY RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED videos I've seen are just "I was being a jerk to the cops so they were jerks back... BUT MY RIGHTS!"
Tylendal
One of my favourites was people outraged that cops chased down a guy who jumped over them. "He didn't do anything illegal!" D:
kmikl
...are inalienable. Just because you're a jerk doesn't give them the ability to abridge your rights. The argument cuts both ways.
imnotcleverenoughforthis
I agree, your rights are inalienable. But some of these people are TRYING to have their rights violated so they have something to cry about.
kmikl
No doubt. That doesn't give cops carte blanche to break the law though.
imnotcleverenoughforthis
I agree. I think we're saying the same thing at different angles
Bonezay
Confirmed your biggest mistake would be to act defensive or standoffish... Just comply because they could mess your day up hard.
ichangedmyusernamesorealpeoplecantfindme
Can confirm. I was once going to be charged for two offences with fines ranging from $60-$250, was polite as fuck and got 1 $60 fine
febpoleandplay
Most of the time fines are lowered by judges, not officers. They can only suggest a starting point.
ichangedmyusernamesorealpeoplecantfindme
Mine were just infringement notices so they were written out by the police officer, was no hearing required unless I wanted to appeal
NoodleyLove
Didn't work for me. :/ Pulled over for doing 8 over. Polite as fuck. Ended up with three tickets because I forgot my insurance papers.
ichangedmyusernamesorealpeoplecantfindme
Fuuu that sucks. I luckily have the advantage of being a girl so I can play the sweet and innocent act, stupid that it can actually work
Tylendal
This is true in pretty much every job under the sun, where interacting with people is involved.
wetslut
If you're a white man in a suit I'm sure being polite works very well.
myusernameismyrealname
*a white man without dreadlocks or a baseball cap
UnBe
Spoken like a Caucasian
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
I guess it is too "white" of me to suggest that you be polite to people?
UnBe
Have you ever been treated like a criminal because of your color? When a cop calls you, "boy", politeness isn't going to help for shit.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Well, like I said, there are exceptions to every rule. There are assholes in every walk of life. Sorry if that happened to you.
UnBe
Sorry for a cop kicking my car because it was too nice for me to drive? Citing that I didn't look poor as probable cause that I was dealing?
MyBubbles
sorry but how is calling you boy discrimination?
UnBe
I suspect you're not from the US, especially the South.
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
This. It is in your interests to be polite. Polite does not mean nice (passive). Be assertive, but respectful.
StuckInBetweeen
Sometimes the officers are unnecessarily aggressive even when you are and then it's your word against his, you can guess who prevails.
theignatz
Polite but firm. And remember there's a difference between "polite" and "friendly."
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
Friendly is fine too! My point was don't be a dick, but don't bend over and let them fuck you either.
theignatz
I meant you should be polite but you don't need them to like you. They're doing a job not being your friend; you don't need to be theirs.
xVancha
Seriously. Step 1 is treating the police officer with common human decency. Don't just jump straight to "AM I FREE TO GO OFFICER?!?!"
Kriegson
Seriously this. Imagine if you had to reprimand someone, thinking they are probably going to be an asshole, and they lead off with that.
ReverendLovejoy
True, except if they had no reason to reprimand you it is entirely valid and not rude at all
MetalJesus
It'll just make you suspicious and create all sorts of problems.
BrainBlow
Doesn't matter how "suspicious" you are if you haven't actually done anything wrong. What can be proven in court is what matters.
MetalJesus
I'm referring to the cop's reaction. If someone immediately yells "Am I free to go?!" or something, it makes them seem suspicious.
gondring
Lawyers love it if you follow this advice. It gives them more of your $ when you could have had just a brief delay in your day with decency.
kmikl
Yes, lawyers will love it, but police shouldn't be able to abridge your rights without you saying something. I've worked with police, 1/2
kmikl
2/2 for over 8 years and I don't like seeing when police colour outside the lines.
dysfunctionalcontrol
I agree it seems rude, am I free to go shouldn't be the first line you say imo. But if they direspect or try to abuse power, get your phone
dysfunctionalcontrol
And record the situation. You have to let them know you are recording as well.
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kmikl
First Circuit court of appeals would disagree. Glik Vs. Cunniffe. Announce, display, record in that order. Save to cloud storage.
Supernerdtastic
I've heard of times when the officer lets people off w/a warning or finds as many tickets as they can write based on how the person acts.
Ziiiro
I skipped jail time in lieu of an expensive ticket.
IVlad
I heard that cops are humans and are prone to act like other humans in some situations
McKavian
That is what I did. I would write for lessor offensives when I could. Unless they were an ass to me, then would max it.
ferryp
You deserve a bullet in the head, fascist scumbag.
iamthedoctorthisismytardis
This is 100% accurate. Be Polite = Usually letting you just go. Being a dick = "How many violations can I write a citation for this person"
Hellboundclown
I've talked my way out of 2 tickets by being friendly and compliant :)
HelloMyNameIsHuman
I've gotten off with a warning for speeding like 75-80 in a 55 before. We were both understanding and polite, things went well.
ferryp
Your story shows cops aren't interested in upholding the law, but prefer a game of power-play instead. ACAB. Also, fuck you for speeding.
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ferryp
Next time you're speeding, kill yourself instead of risking someone else's life. Your parents failed at raising you into a responsible adult
Skiafluff
My dad has got off with a warning going over 90 in a 55. I still think it's because he had two shotguns between him and the passenger seat.
rhysandphal
so.... a cop asks you a question, says they aren't detaining you, so you just... walk away? that could have been an important question...
catsonmeth
Just because they're police is no reason to be a dickbag to them.
themanthemyththecharles
Sorta. Now; if you are a reasonably fit person, and an officer asks you to assist in an arrest, in most states you are required to help.
themanthemyththecharles
The fifth amendment says that you don't have to incriminate yourself. Also, if you aren't being detained, you don't have to stay. Just ask.
themanthemyththecharles
Source: veteran officer.
ToxicPineapple
"What are you doing walking down the street at night?"
TheOnlyHopeForMeIsYou
that's sort of rhetoric isn't it?
ToxicPineapple
Something like that. You're minding your own business and the cop starts questioning you.
Resurrectionist
Nope, all cops are evil and just want to arrest you for no reason and do all the requisite paperwork involved in that. Just as any teenager.
rhysandphal
genuinely unsure if sarcasm. we really need a convenient punctuation for that.
Resurrectionist
RandomGuyFromThere
The sarcasm tag..
squiddna
"Do you need an ambulance?"
InfinitusEquitas
Yes? Oh you must be on drugs, let me handcuff you, and stand on your back while they get here.
dustoftheroadswalked
*Crawls down the street with 5 stab wounds* - Sir, are you okay? - Are you detaining me? No? F-off then! *hobbles away*
rhysandphal
well, there was the man who stopped of for a burger with a knife protruding from his back.
squiddna
"Can you give us a physical description of the men who assaulted you?"
rhysandphal
i'm now imagining a situation in which someone approaches a cop to inform them of a crime, only to ask if they can leave and walk away.
squiddna
Or the officers find them recovering on a sidewalk, but yours is funny.
Trimbl
"Did you see where the man with the gun went?"
rhysandphal
i'd assume any halfway decent person would volunteer that info, assuming the firearm was out, but more subtle ones could be important too.
deadcow
Since you saw the man, you admitted to be near the scene of the crime and are now under suspicion of being an accomplice. Congratulations!
ThePelican
"AM I BEING DETAINED?"
EndersdoyouthinkthisisafuckingGame
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
deadcow
What important question could a cop ask you? Cops are trained to trick people into incriminating themselves. Hence the 5th amendment.
spareseatonmyface
So cops are trained to do the exact opposite of their job? I highly doubt that.
YoullBePerfectWhenYoureDead
"Did you hear anything strange when that family of 5 got murdered across the street last night as we kind of want to catch a killer"
iritebooks
"Hey, are you okay? It's pretty late out, need a lift?"
Dragaroth
you're hilarious.
Twocancallan
This stuff is US only, coming from a Scottish cop. Some applies but not all.
yuraf
Yeah, if you try this in Russia, you'll probably be detained and/or roughed up.
amil1lion
/disappeared
ILoveBabyBats
Anybody have any ideas on how this varies in canada?
honestb
Copwatch Winnipeg has some Canadian resources on their site.
Inchpunch
Which part of Scotland? I'm from there and I find my one rule of dealing with police 'dont be a smartass' has worked pretty well so far.
tigers6994
Even in the U.S. this can vary from one state to another.
kriositivity
This should only be done if you are able to film it or there are many witnesses. It also only applies to US citizens...Not Canada.
Zugswang
Well, not all of the US. In MA and IL, it's illegal to record police without their consent, even when they're on duty.
SuckAnElf
Well that's bullshit
thatoneguyfrommn
That's incredible. It's only by testimony that police can be held accountable, then?
xCP23x
Especially the "it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something you later rely on in court" part in the UK
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
The (UK) cops told me that reading you your rights was bullshit, and I'd been watching too much TV.
sdfsdfss
"no inferences can be drawn from any failure occurring before the accused is allowed an opportunity to consult a legal advisor"
foreverneverreallyuncaring
That would be nice...
jawsnnn
As an Indian, following any of these will probably end up with me languishing in a jail without a charge for a decade or more.
bwheat714
dot or feather?
tomyironmane
The ones from India. Native American tribes still have to obey most of the niceties of U.S. / Canadian laws, unless I am mistaken.
ItsFootballNOTsoccer
As a Bangladeshi this will lead me to become a corpse and the next day's headline of how Police killed a suspected mugger in a shoot out.
RedStarBeograd
Here in Venezuela too
Twocancallan
Hahahahaha
CanadiansWilllRule
My Pakistani friend drives however she wants and just buys off the police
Twocancallan
That's the kind of thing that makes me laugh when people say us is a police state, you've actually got a serious issue
jimmywalesfromwikipedia
Just because some places have it worse, doesn't mean it isn't bad.
Twocancallan
It isn't bad
Xendrash
You should see Japan's laws. The police can hold you for several weeks and legally beat you up during that time without so much as a reason.
IdLikeToRideAPigIntoBattle
With the patriots act and homeland defence act in action per definition you are.
lokitoki81
9-11 -> patriot act -> police state. No news here, they played it well.
Twocancallan
The fact you can call into question the act and not be arrested means you're not
IdLikeToRideAPigIntoBattle
They can arrest and hold without any evidence for how long they want, for something as simple as holding signs at a protest.
garthhh
>Highest per-capita prison population in the world
Andied
I would really like to hear the difference, if you would be so kind?
Twocancallan
But not exactly the same
Twocancallan
It would take too long :( there's just differences in allowances for entering homes and searches and pieces of legislation and law, similar
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
I think in the UK remaining silent can actually hurt your defence?
TheHighCourt
Same in Australia. You have a right to silence. Judge would directthat little weight be given to it in consideration of character.
wetslut
The pigs say that, but it's not really true, they just want people to think that.
sdfsdfss
Extremely unlikely. Drawing inferences from silence is super weak in UK courts (silences before you consult a legal advisor don't count)
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
What about refusing to name yourself as the driver on a speeding ticket form that came in the post?
Twocancallan
Nah, not really. Obviously completely depends on the circumstances but in my experience, it's never went against someone
jharasym
'it may harm your defense, if when questioned, you fail to say something you might rely on in court' -- which is true, because they say 1/2
jharasym
: "Well, why did you fail to mention to officers that you were x y z" (I've been in court, so I know it's true)
Twocancallan
Again, it'd be in a specific situation, I can't speak for yours but for the most part. I've been in court too, y'know.
ReverendLovejoy
You're free to speak if you think it helps you in the US as well, remaining silent just means you can't be compelled to say anything
ReverendLovejoy
Also, most people are stupid and will say incriminating things so it's just a good rule of thumb
tomyironmane
Even smart people say things that a prosecuting attorney will cast in an incriminating light. Get a lawyer.
Bearthas
You should write up a Scottish version of this.
weresmurf
Too many Ochs, not enough Nays!
Twocancallan
Best quick advice I can give is to be polite, cops pick up on a shite attitude quick and it only makes it harder for you. I'm pretty biased
LoopStricken
OCH YE BONNIE WEE SCUNNER! *Headbutts* OOR WULLIE! *Eats deep-fried Mars Bar* *Tosses caber*
KlaatuBaradaMumbleMumble
I only know a few of those words. Pls halp.
TheSkeksis
I need a translation for this.
AllTheOtherNamesWereTaken1234567
He's welcoming you to Scotland.
Twocancallan
But Scottish cops are some of the fairest you'll find, no bullshit
fearghul
I'd have to disagree, though a lot of that relates to Ayr rather than Glasgow. I've witnessed several incidents where the police there have
fearghul
behaved in a shameful manner. Though I moved away from there several years ago.
fearghul
There are some decent cops, but a lot of them really have no business having any responsibility, let alone the power they are entrusted with
howdisgusting
The fairest of them all, eh?
Counterfit
They feel pretty, oh so pretty, they feel pretty and witty and gay
adam1111
Only in terms of skin.
joabywankenobi
Well that's a lie. Try being a teenage male in Glasgow.
adam1111
Shhh. We don't talk about Glasgee.
Twocancallan
I have, that's where I'm from. Pls don't be naive and think you've got it bad, you've not, they're really decent cops
joabywankenobi
That is simply not true. They're power-hungry bullies who like nothing better than ruining people's day by being arseholes. I don't see (1)
TheDrySideOfThePenny
You can't say that all of the police officers in Glasgow are decent just as I can't say they're not. Doubtless there will be some dicks.
joabywankenobi
I'm being naive (2)
thetankwad
As a Scotsman who is not a policeman, I respectfully disagree.
MrFrenzyPlant
As another Scotsman who is not a policeman, ditto. Never had a positive experience with the polis.
LicensedToChill
I just want my local police officers to use their indicators when they change lanes during standard patrols through traffic
MoString
And not cross the state line in patrol cars to buy lottery tickets or hang out all together on duty at a gas station or waffle house.
slashjunky
You know what drives me crazy? When they turn their lights on to pass through a red light and then turn them off to continue driving.
ItsGoTime
Oh man I saw them do that this one time, oh wait that was just in Superbad.
MrsLadyRiver
I hate people in general if they don't use your turn signal. You're an idiot if you don't, cop or no cop.
everyoneiskungfufighting
And as my state has a law against cell phone use while driving, it would be nice if the cops in my area stopped doing it.
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
I almost never see cops using turn signals. It angers me.
bangbangbangbang
Real talk to this, and the cellphone/lights to get through a red light stuff.
GoddammitMrNoodle
and not use their cells phones while driving.
orkestrzhopa
and not turn their siren on atvan intersection just so they don't have to stand at a red light.
garthhh
and wear seatbelts (in PA they're exempt from the law).
yoshis2ndcousin
Saw our sheriff do that a couple months ago. What the fuck.
ReptilianOverlord
Or laptops
isosceleswheels
"AM I BEING CUT OFF??? AM I BEING CUT OFF???"
SanSamis
Bullshit. Terry v. Ohio. If cops have a reasonable suspicion you committed a crime, they can stop and frisk. If they...
ReverendLovejoy
Uh, did you even read the frisk section? That's what it says
SanSamis
... "plainly feel" contraband, they can seize it and arrest you. Don't ever rely on some internet lawyer to explain your rights.
NeverEndingStoryMachine
Correct. But they have to know it is CLEARLY contraband by a pat down. No manipulation of the object.
SanSamis
Also, this is not from the most reliable website in the world:
?1
FreakinSatan
Oh boy, I can't wait until Spring 2014 for it to launch.
MyBanjoStringFeaturesInTheDeliverance
If you're worried about being unfairly or unlawfully targeted by the police, you could also try not being black or hispanic.
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GeeUknit
Or you could accept that police racism is a real thing. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/01/nypd-ray-kelly-instil-fear
baronridiculous
Genuinely amazing that this is getting downvoted. What a bunch of assholes.
besttom
I've been not black or Hispanic my whole life - it works for me!
energ1ze
Pretty sure Michael Jackson tried this. Don't know how well it worked for him though
Doodle210
Oh you!
ishouldbedoinghw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
acunninglinguist
Chris Rock with the Truth.
waitbutactually
Check. Now what do I do with this cocaine?
myusernameismyrealname
oh ill take that off your hands, im very trustworthy.
roonmian
This following picture very polemic and oversimplifying but it has a little tiny ounce of truth.... 1/2
roonmian
http://www.hornoxe.com/wp-content/picdumps/picdump371/picdump371_085.jpg 2/2
CredibleHulk
I tried this and it really does work.
chubito33
well im fucked
ShaveAndAHaircut
Funny. Sad. True.
ZombieDK
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wkJOcpapKGI
JuanCCC
:c
JustARandomFacelessExtraInTheMovieOfYourLife
This is gold: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/14muzr/2nd-amendment-manners-do-s-and-don-ts
OnTheFrontPageWithOc
or be accompanied by a white friend all the time. The respect you get, I tell you..
chinablue
If you're worried about being unfairly targeted by the left wing imgur community , you could try not being a straight white Christian male.
jalenp69
It's really difficult though.
Eowyneb
Dam it! And here i was wanting to walk down my street :( oh well better wait for mu next life
cardboardisdelicious
Damn ancestors!! *waives fist*
TrapeziousMilkington
Tried it, didn't work.
Coadyz
Pew pew pew
rageishere71
I wish I knew this back when I arrived to the US. Being an LGBT Latino can be a challenge with cops.
oblivioniscalling
I'm fucked then...
seastarontheseashore
http://imgur.com/XmOZa3V
gtaomg
Gold
Slyninga269
I'm so white you wouldn't know I'm black until you see me
STIKY55
Sarcasm is strong here.
DeezNuttyNuts
Also being black and white does not make a difference it just the same as being black sometime it is worse.
Pharya
Or a cunt. Not being a cunt has worked fantastically for me for 28 years and counting
bigdaddyfatpants
What also help is not being white near a Hispanic or "black" area. DWW is as common as DWB. All depending where you are. YO
jalapina
Sounds good
whatsthisusernameofwhichyouspeak
Or Arab. Reaaaally sucks being Arab.
wetslut
But at least Monty Python fans are never rude to you.
Stormcell0083
Thanks for the chuckle
wastewanderer
I'm Hispanic, but I have friends who refer to me as a coconut because I "act white" and so I am "brown on the outside, white on the inside."
TheFraggler
Um, we usually call those people papas...i know cuz my cousin is one
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
How do you even ''act white'' i'm confused
Osper
LARPing.
drlazercatz
Prolly doesn't know who Jorge Negrete or the India Maria are.
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
I said white, Jorge negrete and La india Maria are Mexicans, and i said ''act white''.
ArcticPanda
No ability to dance whatsoever. Wear uggs/crocs etc
wastewanderer
Well, they say I've assimilated to American culture, but my family have been Americans for 150 years, so what else should I be, really?
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
You mean American by the whole continent, Right? Because USA are NorthAmericans, And i supose you ''act'' as you have their culture
opad
are you also quite hairy? coconuts are. Maybe they are trying to let you know subtly.
Elliojsph
Those aren't your friends. Those are ppl who think Hispanics aren't supposed to be anything but loud, lazy and dumb.
LurkerModeDeactivated
Shame on you.
calldrdaley
Oreo if you're black. I see this as extremely racist and that these "friends" are trying to hold you back in life.
wengocerrones
Banana if Asian
carmelsown
The most truth.
ChrisWise
I'm biracial and I get this all the time. All of my black family are articulate an intelligent; it's the only way I know how to act :(
TalkinPlant
I feel all of this pain.
koolit6
Yeah i Agirre. I tried explaining MySpace friends that's I don't act white. I'm just not a bad person and I have manners. They don't get it
AuBoss
"I am just not a moron"
koolit6
I give up on auto correct
Coconutgirl
I try not to be Hispanic everyday. Doesn't seem to be working.
rageishere71
Repeat after me: It's flip flop, not chancla. It's granny, not abuelita. I hope that helps.
willgi
What if you tried being hispanic, perhaps it would have the opposite effect?
Coconutgirl
I think you may be on to something...
zavalava
Brown on the outside, white on the inside. Mexican American I presume?
EndersShadow
I believe that is an oreo.
Coconutgirl
Yup. I'm a coconut
zavalava
I got caller a coconut because I can speak proper English without a thick wetback accent (mexican American.)
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
it's a joke............................... did you get it now................... no?................. read it again.............. fuck this
zavalava
Someone needs to simmer the fuck down and relax
theretheyretheir
Then you're a mexican't
AvatarTommyBee
Old habits die hard ...
AnonymousBach
I'm so sick of those people who make the poor lifestyle choice to be black or Hispanic. Why didn't those losers chose to be Asian?
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AnonymousBach
Through drug dealing I can only assume, Jose. Hiding them under your sombrero I am sure.
zombieSkinBone
As a hispanic male, life is better on the edge
LawrenceofLabia
Because small penis
bwheat714
hey! Let's hear it for being white!! anybody?... anybody??
TemetNosce000
"It doesn't work!" -Michael Jackson
TheKingWhoLostTheNorth
Hahahaha, oooh black humor, you're so guilty
Smayds
*Bleached humour.
Vesmic
Just because you stick your finger in your belly button and brown shit comes out doesn't make it your asshole.
IJustCame
If you have brown shit coming out of your belly button, you should really get that checked.
TemetNosce000
seriously. It might as well be your asshole at that point.
bunnywiggle99
But we have good food
vendock
Really? Black or Hispanic food vs Asian food? ASIAN? As in all of Asia?
bunnywiggle99
Hispanic food totally wins. OR!! even both mixed together. Hispanic people aren't very health conscience it shows in the food :P
manateens
Try and tell me raw fish tastes better than lomo saltado.
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