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Spikes underneath sheltered areas
Spikes by retail establishments that don't want homeless people sitting
Curved benches to prevent people from sleeping on them.
Canada's Approach: It's a back-rest Bench
Offering shelter to those needing it (It rains a lot here)
It changes by exposure to UV light
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Will this solve the problem?
No.
But a lot of homeless people are families under hard times. Why some of us make it, and others don't isn't always fair. There is no need to be cruel to someone already in a shit situation. It also sucks to think about how badly our society handles people with addiction or mental issues.
So, at least Vancouver has pitched forth a few small ways to make a night on the street a little less unbearable.
It's an issue that really needs to be fixed.
There are 16 million empty homes in the US, and 6.5 million homeless people.
For all the people who have been homeless and have gotten back on their feet, kudos to you.
SanSamis
Former homeless guy; now work with homeless: we screwed up closing the mental institutions. Now people have to go to jail to get treatment.
Beercycles
I was homeless for 6 months after my house burned down. Having no options forces you to get up and change something. Mixed feelings here..
Greeneyeddevil
A woman from a homeless charity said she supports the spikes because they encourage homeless folks to attend shelters and get help
MrPredator
I feel conflicted on homelessness since there are some people who need "real" help, while others need a swift kick in the ass for their BS.
vickers
I was homeless with my husband and two kids. Its terrible.
KrissyCardinale
AMA? I'd love to see what your story was, it's always terrified me. How long were you homeless?
bobapacky
I was kinda mad looking at the first few pics but then Canada.
goodguyC
Before you all applaud Canada, research where the spikes are located, Montreal, Calgary, and even Vancouver have been guilty of spiking.
decebal
Were located...WERE!!! It was a whole media shitstorm and spikes were removed. (in Montreal)
MordinSolustheScienceVolus
I was homeless for a few weeks... until the person who's couch I was sleeping on let me just move in.
geiokami
I don't blame businesses not wanting homeless people around the place. It drives away customers.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
I can't believe people get mad about that, I don't see them letting homeless people on their driveway/porch, much less in their home.
geiokami
Exactly but because they are big rich buisnesses absolute anything they do is selfish and evil.
Ilikestyx
as a Canadian... the bench was actually an advertising campaign (for homelessness and a local shelter charity I believe)
Anonsy
"Lets put all this effort into fucking over the homeless further than actually doing something fucking useful"
Lokitana
The funny thing is we're busy saving dogs and cats , but when it comes to humans in the same condition, our reaction is "ewwwwww, gross".
Luminousfox
Well i'll make sure to put down the next homeless person i buy instead of releasing him onto the streets
whade
Spikes aren't very good because they gonna see it coming, you aren't going to catch a lot that way.
ThePancakeNinja
... Vancouverite, OP?
shadowskies
Yus!
ThePancakeNinja
Huzzah!
ColinTheCray
I'm from Canada have lived all over it and if you sleep on a bench the cops wake you up and make you leave. Don't believe the Internet
canuckfanatic
Where you lived is not representative of all of Canada.
JustSomeHoneybadger
Krakow in Poland have heated benches, that is homeless friendly
procrastinationstationn
yes! i've sat on them. they are so nice and warm you don't want to get up and leave.
hencethequeef
Chicago has heated El stops, but that's more for commuters and has the bonus of being homeless-friendly.
shadowskies
That's so awesome!
JustSomeHoneybadger
as i understood it, the museum underground is sending the heat from the ventilation up vents under the benches
TresusIbor
Works for me. Turn a byproduct into something useful.
thegasm
Just send them all to California.
trollprozac
Yeh, let the democrats and homos deal with them.
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trollprozac
I'd never wear a asshat, that's what faggots wear.
Ihazcheeseburger
And yet Vancouver has one of the worst homeless situations I have ever seen. And pretty much forces all homeless onto one street E Hastings.
Corona688
Vancouver has pretty much the nicest climate in Canada, they gather there since they won't freeze in winter.
Corona688
Other places, they'd die, literally die, if they tried to sleep without some sort of shelter in winter.
GoBlue
By the way, the spikes in the 2nd picture are on a supermarket's PRIVATE PROPERTY. They can do whatever the hell they want.
shadowskies
Ahhh, depending on where you live, that's not completely true, and the reason won't fit into 140 characters. >.< Basically: You need permits
StarrryNight
Fuck their private property.
GoBlue
Why?
StarrryNight
I value homeless people (i.e. fellow human beings) more than private property?
GoBlue
So you wouldn't mind if a bunch of homeless people were living on your front lawn?
StarrryNight
A country more than wealthy enough to have the means to provide a roof over everyone's head who needs it.
StarrryNight
I'd certainly mind. I'd mind because there shouldn't be any homeless people, I live in a civilized, wealthy, western, country.
SAWhowhatnow
They sure can. And we can criticize them for it, too.
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SAWhowhatnow
I can criticize AND boycott. It's not a zero-sum proposition.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
Do you allow homeless to crowd around your yard/porch/driveway? No you would call the cops.
SAWhowhatnow
To be clear, he was behind the back corner, right underneath suite. Homeless are humans, not animals, and deserve dignity and respect.
SAWhowhatnow
Actually, this happened to me once, a homeless man was sleeping near my apartment. I gave him some old clothes and drove him to a shelter.
Snarkoleptic
As long as you don't break the law, you're free to be an intolerable asshole. But don't expect to make friends—or have good PA
Imguratemysociallife
If I owned a business, I would not want ppl sleeping in the parking lot.
StarrryNight
Direct your profits to building sheltered housing and give homes away for free to the homeless.
Snarkoleptic
Yes, but they're not pigeons, spikes are a horribly inhumane way of telling them to fuck off. Different solutions exist
Imguratemysociallife
Maybe. I live in small town with large homeless population. I'm v. sympathetic--but also would like to be able to shop w/o being harassed.
Imguratemysociallife
Maybe what I want is to combine these spikes ("stick") with better/more public housing ("carrot").
KyleBeach
such as? i kinda feel like those bitching about spikes would frown upon anything but offering them a blanket as they slept infront of their
KyleBeach
store
previoustopcomment
Yea, they were forced to remove them, so you're wrong on that one.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
I live in Texas, if homeless were on my private property I can legal shoot them for trespassing.
StarrryNight
And this is why you live in a terrible immoral country.
previoustopcomment
No your only allowed to shoot them if you have a reasonable reason to see them as a threat, your also not allowed to set mantraps.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
That's why I have no trespassing signs.
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
1868 Cattle Ranchers Law allows me to shoot ANYONE that trespasses onto my property because they deem harm to me and my livelihood.
previoustopcomment
well that's fucked... seriously someone shot a trick-or-treater, still doesn't change that you can't set traps to harm people.
GoBlue
They weren't "forced" to remove them. They got a lot of bad publicity for it, so they removed them on their own will.
TOPHthegreatestearthbender
every time I go into Chicago I take the time out of my visit to go to mcd's and buy a bunch of $1 burgers, then hand them out to whoever (1)
TOPHthegreatestearthbender
accepts one. I have food on my table everyday, they don't. I feel it's my obligation to help those who need it. no one should starve (2)
Glumerlink
Well...technically your taxes should be going to help fix the homelessness thing so you really shouldn't have to do it
TOPHthegreatestearthbender
well they're not so I take the time out of my monthly visits to do something our government isn't doing. plus I enjoy doing so.
preaction
Except they don't. In fact, especially in Chicago, they closed the long-term-care mental hospitals sheltering people who are now homeless.
hencethequeef
Fun aside, Chicago has some hilariously named mental hospitals - Madden and River's Edge.
Glumerlink
That's ridiculous. Homelessness shouldn't be this hard to treat, we have the solutions, they exist. Why can't we execute them?!
preaction
Because politicians. Kennedy started "deinstitutionalization" and Reagan started our war on "Welfare Queens", both of which continue today
preaction
Because self-interest. My tax money being used to help other people is not in my self-interest, and I am the only person who matters.
LoneDirewolf
Canadians man,
youvegotredonyou
It was a temporary ad campaign by a Vancouver shelter
Noob3rts
This makes me feel better today on a crummy day. Thanks friend. /thumbsup
rustury
Whats this gif from again? Its bothering me lol
OGSyrupMafia
<3
petcaring2
You, LoneDireWolf, this is the 3rd time I've seen you.
funkmaster40
Canada has the spikes too. You can't judge a country on two nice pics, sorry.
wesley4122
fucking knew it +1
DidYouHearAboutPlutoThatsMessedUp
OH MY FUCKIG GOD THIS IS WHERE THE HEAVY GIF CAME FROM MY LIFE IS COMPLETE
chefporkbaby
has anyone seen Hobo with a shotgun?
noxdracoria
Only sometimes and only some places : in general Vancouver (and BC, and Canada) has a history of treating homeless people like shit
violetsareblue
And the rest of Canada puts homeless on buses and sends them to Vancouver so they won't freeze to death.
RentalCoyote
Hastings!!!
noxdracoria
And how, I get depressed thinking of the downtown east side. Its beyond tragic and the majority of people don't know or worse- don't care.
shadowskies
As a Vancouverite, myself, yes. In general, this city really, really hates on them.
aaaaskeetskeet
Ya lots of people with mental illness out here on the streets of BC
TheBlackKaiser
I'm Sorry
Proffesit
As a Canadain
BeigeNotBrown
Canadain
ThisUsernameIsNeverGonnaBeRelevant
Ye, 'nada's the shit!
UnPetitSugarcube
You guys ever notice that people talk about Canada the way they talk about Africa? I mean, it's a huge place and has different territitories
dontbeupsettihavesomespaghetti
Yeah, I don't really see your point.
kmikl
Africa is a continent, though... Canada is a country.
UnPetitSugarcube
But no one would ever just say "these benches in America"... It would be California or Minnesota or whatever.
TheFailMaster
I think we in America just assume we make up the majority of people posting. I blame our lack of world history in school
kmikl
Granted. You'd have to live outside the US to for the gestalt of how Americans think vs. speak when talking about their area.
TheFailMaster
Like, were aware of other countries but forget how easy it is to interact with people from them (2/2)
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
America is a continent.
9384582j2n02
Well, Canada is smaller than California in every way except useless land.
kmikl
You stay ignorant then. You seem to enjoy it.
RedroverRedrover
The more spread apart people are, the more cultural differences arise. So in this case, it matters. Why do you need to be a jerk about it?
IAmCatSidhe
I don't think those curved benches are good for anyone. They look too high.
WickedCaitSith
I was thinking the same thing. I've noticed we seem to agree on a lot of things, my non-wicked counterpart ^_^
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WickedCaitSith
I merely agreed the benches look too high..? I didn't mean to be dismissive of the overall issue, I'm sorry if it came across that way.
Voidjumper
I couldn't figure out how they worked.. Like, no one can sit on that..
adancingdog
I know for a fact #3 is in Oxford, and on the other side of that bench is a flat. Still wouldn't sleep there, but plenty other places in Ox.
adancingdog
Also, fun fact, each of those benches cost around £40,000!
shadowskies
Couldn't see from the picture, that's nice to know. C:
adancingdog
And if you couldn't tell by the rain, that's Oxford, England.
shadowskies
I get 2477 mm per year, where I live. Oxford sounds lovely.
Skeif
Faith Restored in Humanity... *Canadian Humanity
PCard
Vancouver, North-America's Norway.
CanadiansWilllRule
...in one city. :// :(
kmikl
TBH, most cities in Canada offer decent options for homeless.
CanadiansWilllRule
it is true! I may be looking gin the wrong places but its not often that I see homeless people/
Savagesquelsch
That's the best type of humanity.
IWasInThePool
These were installed by an ad firm in one city. It's unfair and inaccurate to describe them as "Canada's approach."
Renarde
Yep. My city (in Canada) dumped chicken shit on a homeless camp earlier this year. We're so friendly and nice :|
ImgurnariumOfDoctorGiraffus
I believe picture #2 is even in Canada? I remember it circling our news during controversy.
LiterallyYourMom
Didn't you know? All countries outside of the US are one consolidated nation, culture, government, and social practice.
WeAreAllStoriesInTheEnd
Agreed. There was a huge controversy over a Canadian city installing anti-loitering spikes last year.
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thecolonels
As a Canadian, our approach is actually -50 fucking centigrade in winter. Really helps with homeless population. If you know what i mean.
arrbos
Vancouver hits -10 a couple times a year, and there's emergency shelters for the homeless when that happens.
mirria
Same thing in MTL. They convert a few rooms in hospitals and community centers and send the police or social workers to pickup the homeless.
Ilikestyx
and Stephen Harper, because things don't happen due to social reasons, they just happen randomly and there's no changing that.
thecolonels
better to go with your gut feeling.
PowayMermaid
Wow, found the heartless Canadian. Thought you guys were a myth.
thecolonels
No i was actually trying to shock people into giving more money to homeless shelters <3 sorry if i came off rude.
PowayMermaid
I apologize if I came off rude... you're right, it's so easy to misread intentions online. I thought you meant the opposite!
Imghurrr
"sorry" canadian credentials confirmed
varsil
He's right, but not the way he thinks. -50 weather means more shelters get built, because people hate finding corpsicles in the mornings.
KryomGAC
+1 for corpsicles. Permission to use in random, morbid conversations with normal people?
varsil
Certainly.
KryomGAC
Wicked xD thanks :P
Waxsmile
I agree. I live in a city in Canada with tons of ignored homeless. It needs to be addressed everywhere, period.
shadowskies
Bummer, I looked it up, and they were doing advertisements for a company that helps out homeless people. It's clever, still, and gets....
strongfkennedy
upvotes
IWasInThePool
Definitely clever, but a symptom of the huge homelessness problem in Vancouver. I live in Los Angeles, we have the same problem.
shadowskies
Very true. It's prevalent, here. I like the benches because homeless people aren't going anywhere. So shuffling them away will never help.
shadowskies
People to look at them more as human beings. Canada isn't doing a good job at helping it's homelessness. How to go about it is hard, but...
FindYourChillMate
Tbf i think canadas weather is the best way to curb homelessness
shadowskies
This widely positive-received mentality is a good start.
MasterofLove1101
Have you guys heard about that senator that went around breaking homeless people's shopping carts like he was batman of douche bag city?
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julesofthenorth
I would've found him and put those spikes in his eyes
LezgoNecro
As a democrat, not proud: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/tom-brower-hawaii_n_4299256.html
HeyOP
Sharing a political party with this guy doesn't make you responsible for his actions. Consider that.
demonqs
why are u saying the shopping carts are owned by homeless people? I dont recall any stores where I live selling their shopping carts
festersnake
I hope one of these homeless people shoots that fucknuckle in the face
TooLazyToDoSomethingElse
TBF they stole the cart in the first place.
festersnake
so not only is he destroying their property but the shops as well, doesn't make it any better.
Pharya
Woooooow. What a fuckwit. To be honest I am totally surprised he is a Democrat though. I did not see that coming. It's usually a Republican.
brap
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/18/tom-brower-hawaii_n_4299256.html
likeabakerikneadthedough
Can 4chan like, anonymously hack a sledgehammer to smash the shit out of his house?
mikenter
Of course it was from Hawaii
randomnerd88
Sauce: http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/11/19/2966371/hawaii-homeless-smash/
rightinthejord
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/11/19/2966371/hawaii-homeless-smash/
NarcanAnomaly
"Hawaii Homeless Smash" sounds like the kind of drink that'll get you kicked out of a bar
LearnedCoward
Hawaiian Punch, Blue Curacao, a little coconut juice, God knows what else. Mixed and served in an old paint can at a frat party.
MasterofLove1101
Yeah, that's the one
notme222
I like how it's a thinkprogress link, so I can hate him and yet still think the writeup is obnoxious. I guess that's balance.
coffeetrap
Say what?!
YouWantMeKnobInYehBum
1) "...Hawaii State representative Tom Bower (D) began walking the streets of his Waikiki district with a sledgehammer,
YouWantMeKnobInYehBum
Oh, and "Bower" is a typo; it should be "Brower."
YouWantMeKnobInYehBum
and smashing shopping carts used by homeless people." That's what nationofchange.org says, at least.
quintusfontane
randilyn234
What a huge douchenugget.
eggmuffin
No. But I wish I had. Googling "Batman of Douchebag city" didn't return any promising hits.
previoustopcomment
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/11/19/2966371/hawaii-homeless-smash/
chaseNC
All I got was a bunch of pictures of Ben Affleck.
Sefalim
As one from Oxford - those curved benchs are also impossible to sit on.
ratherbeapolythanacunt
You can't sit on them, although it's funny to watch the tourists try.
LeJaxo
As another from Oxford, I agree.
MOTHERFUCKINGALLAH
how about sleep under?
uhhhnick
they could sleep under it though?
crothgeb
Love cornmarket st. Hate those benches.
xOMillsXDOx
Yes, but doesn't stop me trying everytime I see they are free.
TomTomlikeskayaking
Well the other side of that bench is better, but has one of those seats ever been free ever?
iSoulend
Plus they already put those things for the arms, there's no need to add anything else if they don't want you to sleep on it.
MoarSauce
anoiher oxford resident!
ImgurCelebrity
My city has benches that are sloped the other way, toward the but, but they have no butt support. So if you lay down you just fall through.
ImgurCelebrity
*butt
DeanHollstrom
+1 for Oxford Imgurite. Always thought those benches were ridiculous, to be honest Id hate to sleep outside Lush, it stinks
NoBeardTheIrate
When i was in Paris they had these in the subways, might as well of not had any
mybrothersmario
You know where they can still sleep? Under the bench...
Torenico
You see we put bench so nobody can sleep or sit.
Phinalize
OXFORDIANS! UNITE!
RubberDuckyRacing
I thought they looked familiar..... Hello fellow Oxford Imgurians!
Ruhig
Those fucking benches! Who thought that would be a good idea! Probably someone who's never sat on a FUCKING BENCH. Christ.
Nicolethehylian
Hello Oxford people! I can't actually remember seeing these benches outside Lush :/
nickyaddrison
back when i lived in oxford there was a homeless shelter a minutes walk from that bench
joebwab
So many of us!
sconespronouncedsconnotscown
UNITE!
OmfgImNotLurking
I'd lay down under them after making them imperious to rain.
BobbumManInHisBobbumVan
i always wondered why they were curved
joebwab
I think the idea is you actually stand/lean onto them, as they're higher. On the otherside of the 'wall' are normal benches lower down.
BobbumManInHisBobbumVan
yeah i definitely wouldn't be able to sit on one
PissBasin
Also that picture has a severe lack of tourists
Jester123ish
You see a bench, I see a curved shelter with no spikes under it.
magictaco
i thought they were to stop people from skateboarding on them? thats why they are in aus at least
Palfrost
Making them 1-person size was enough to stop homeless people to sleep on them...
CarlosPerfectHair
I used to work in that Thorntons! As a 5'5 guy, they're more what I'd call leaning posts
fatoldcrazycatlady
God I hate those benches so much! Many uncomfortable times sat there.
twiggysminiskirt
I've only seen people leaning against those horrible benches. To me the height is also really awkward.
VladThePoker
I immediately recognized that the pic is from oxford :) and yeah, awful to sit on..
ensensu
Scrap metal is all they should be.
ZBPClark
Recognized the picture straight away, those benches are just anti people
TotallyNotAnNSASpy
WAIT THE BENCHES ARE ALIVE?!
StrugglesWithTheLid
Recognized nothing and am baffled by my reply.
laurenaustin
I'm from oxford too! Hello fellow imgurian!
LHSLaurence
*hides face, oh god we're being shamed on imgur*
bob3242
i could just see rainy/icy days
HitlersArtCritic
Why not just sleep under the curved benches? Shelters a bit and cant be sat on.
NekoMiko06
why not just lie down on the floor? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Weather+in+Oxford%2C+UK
bobbi21
What does weather have to do with that?
NekoMiko06
So you'd lie down on soaked concrete?
bobbi21
Wouldn't say it's much different than lying down on a soaking bench...
jiggityjakeysnakey
I was thinking the same thing
OP1KNOP
Wouldn't having just the dividers between each seat deter people from sleeping on them? Or do people sleep sitting upright?
CultofCedar
Homeless people in new York can sleep standing leaning against a wall. Dividers will do nothing.
Misora
They use the dividers where I live. You can tell because the suburbs have the same bench without them. They do it on the concrete bus ones.
KanojoNoCarrera
You obviously have never seen a drunk Japanese Salaryman on a train at night. Some of them defy sleeping norms.
AdmiralQuackbar
Go on...
JonnyRaygun
DON'T. ITS A TRAP!
hippybobby
Dot
JuanSigrid
At least two (if not all three) of the anti-homeless pictures are from the UK. Not proud.
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
wanna take a guess at where the OP wants you to THINK theyre from?
Tortankule
First picture is from china.
whosepigisthis
yes!
Albertiarp
Damn. Ive never seen anything like this and Im English, so hopefully its rare.
sipos0
Not all three, the first one clearly isn't the UK if you look at the number plates.
WebDevBren
Can confirm, They have all three in Manchester.
yourpretendgirlfriend
It annoys me more because Manchester homelessness is worse than ever after a few shelters shutting down, then it's made worse with these,
AwesomeMixVol6
Not suprising comming from a country that used to hang people for vagrancy
GodFuckingDamnitVanEyck
I slept in a parking garage in Manchester once. That city is the dirtiest ever.
Skiafluff
I seem to recall the pictured retail spikes becoming a huge fiasco and being removed.
skellious
yes, they were, they were compared to pigeon spikes (which I also detest!)
identikit
The irony being that particular store had zero issues with people sleeping outside and it was about bankers sitting there on their lunch 1/?
identikit
breaks and causing a huge mess. I worked around that area in the city for years and homeless people slept elsewhere.
nelshai
This is what I always see when I see those spikes. Shops near my high school had them so we wouldn't sit around. We just sat on them anyway.
AtalanBeardy
It's like some of the people in the UK think Victoria is still Queen.
itsnotthoughisit
They recently put a cage up in Cardiff to stop people sleeping next to a hot air vent. Not particularly cool.
itsamazing
I saw that, read through the whole thing, and actually I think it was motivated by concern. They were worried about CO poisoning
itsamazing
it's all very well having a warm place to sleep but if it kills you in the process or leaves you in need of massive medical intervention..
itsamazing
There's still plenty of space to sleep around the vent but where the air will have had the opportunity to, you know, oxygenate.
feedmeseymour
Yeah it sounded like a bullshit cop out to me ! "we're soooo concerned for their heath.. that even pneumonia would be better"
feedmeseymour
So disgusting, makes me sad to see such little humanity in people
Treblaine
When did we become worse than Canada? It was the 1980's wasn't it?
Xist3nce
I think it was around the time Canada was conceived, could be wrong though.
Treblaine
Canada had the reputation for being uptight... now they're just awesomely nice.
Xist3nce
Canada had been that way soon after it's dissonance with French culture, even though it held most of it still.
Treblaine
I do hear that there is no Canada like French Canada.
complimentpin
-.- not proud.
ZaphodsFriend
I thought that too, made me a little sad
Snarkoleptic
It's such an open-minded country, but the "benefit scroungers" obsession is getting out of hand. Completely out of touch with reality.
likeabakerikneadthedough
Unfortunately that's media driven to deflect people's anger from the cause of the problem. Is anyone's fault but the bankers!
skellious
indeed!
fuegofish
Fuck the Tories, and fuck anyone who votes for them. Also I count UKIP and etc. as being Tories, because functionally there's no difference.
lucyjin
Getting less and less open-minded under our long-term Right-leaning Governments. Another reason I'm sad Scotland didn't escape.
itsamazing
I'm glad they didn't 'escape' there's more of us to stand up against the rightwing bullshit with them on board.
lucyjin
I'm hoping that the fight for the "Vowed" powers will awaken more devolution for the other parts of Britain that aren't London. :)
skellious
yet. don't worry. we will! :) And more powers are coming right now, which will point the way to independence in the end!
BlackOrchid
"oh, there are spikes under the overpass, I guess I'll just have to go back to law school and get a well paid job." - Homless man.
xzhous
Law school was the reason he's homeless. All that debt ;__;
telkanuru
Pffff. Law school doesn't end in good jobs anymore.
renakunisaki
Nothing does.
SabianAAB8
Homless
Aro3636
Its not to discourage being poor it's that the establishments don't want these people them. Which is quite saddening really. :(
YouSufferWithCognitiveDissonance
Plenty of people with law degrees can't find jobs
DevoutSkeptic
It's not to solve the problem. It's to sweep the problem somewhere else.
backtobackpanicattack
Ouch.
Felman
That poor man, having no homs.
fascinatingusername
"Fuck. I should have gone into the business school!" - Homeless law grad, probably
NewKing
In my city it's illegal to beg for money, also a lot of things homeless people usually do are illegal here, Ive rarely seen any here ever.
degraine
In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread.
IcameHeretoChewBubblegumAndGiveDownvotesAndImAllOutofBubblegum
They're probably to stop cars.
Aelinsaar
I think it's more about not wanting a shooting gallery under a very public area.
rg001
Or just stop being homeless, you know.
scrubble
homless
thegr8rambino
homless
MadamPuddifoot
"if you're poor, just stop being poor" - some asshat Congressman or other rich white guy.
fourkingbaker
That's racist
MadamPuddifoot
No, it's a quote. From a rich white guy. On the daily show.
Supanini
Wooden board. Boom bed
Liv82
Is this a reference to that Conan skit?
Supanini
Subconsciously, yes. I thought of that skit right after I posted it. +1 for noticing!
lawrus
and where does one find a wooden board big and sturdy enough to be a bed?
LearnedCoward
Some pallet being thrown out behind a warehouse will suffice.
ComeOnAndSlam
It doesn't have to be sturdy, the pressure from you being on it would be distributed across the spikes, much like a bed of nails.
KZFDG
I went to law school. 4 years later still no well paid job. Just letting you know law school shits on people too.
SimpleCountryLawyer
Logged in to say this.
tiam1985
College in general shits on people. A degree doesn't guarantee you a good job, no matter your field of study.
A911owner
I got my MBA 6 years ago, I make ok money now. As a bus driver.
urbrogrizz
Fellow atty here. It's not the panacea people say it is.
GulDukatja
Yeah dude, you beat me to it.
TriggerHappyFlyBoy
Attorney for 2 years. I make $10 an hour part time. Some days I laugh. Some days I cry.
Pocketsand
Recent college grad also making $10 an hour part time. I feel yo pain.
MyMiddleNameIsAllen
Just graduated in May. Each position has 50+ applicants. Shit is rough, yo.
KZFDG
lol. 8600 applicants. I was shortlisted for interview out of 100ish. There were three vacancies. I was choice #5. That was 2012.
KZFDG
Hey man, I know some years have passed, but did you ever get a break? 8 Weeks ago I finally got a good job that might last a bit. Hoping 4 u
MyMiddleNameIsAllen
Thanks! I'm in a job that I enjoy. Not something I LOVE, but hey, work is work. Glad you're in a good spot too!
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
I think it's kind of shitty to put them on public property but I really don't have a problem with them outside of businesses. They're [1]
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
not trying to solve homelessness. They're trying to run a business that doesn't make customers feel uneasy when they approach. [2]
itsamazing
it wasn't outside a business, it was outside an appartment block, and the people who lived IN it complained and they were removed.
toopure
But most of them should be institutionalized.
thescarydude
I could just imagine someone pulling their car over there and getting screwed.
IgnatiusJReilly2601
As in, all out of homs?
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
A lot of homeless people actually do have access to help, but choose not to take it because they like living 'outside' the system.
glassweaver
If you mean this as in govt paranoia of some homeless, this ties into mental health issues which is yet another societal issue.
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
That's one example, of many. Lots of homeless have access to mental health and choose not to go. You can lead a horse to water, etc etc.
glassweaver
Or, if you're Regan, you can deinstitution people who needed help http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/04/timeline-mental-health-america
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
Giving funding (and power) to states instead of the federal government is hardly an evil thing to do.
glassweaver
In other words, you can lead a horse to water, but unless you solve the problems stopping it from drinking, you still have a bigger problem.
IMadeAnAccountJustToWriteThis
How do you convince a person who refuses to go to a psychiatrist to go to a psychiatrist? Have a psychiatrist talk to them?
Penguinsandbroadswords
Have you ever tried to work Inside/with the system? Lost our home in '08, homeless, 1 kid, one van, 1 dog, 2 adults. I work full time 1/?
Penguinsandbroadswords
hubby was laid off, boss was falsifying paystubs and pocketing taxes, so we had to pay IRS on his "actual wages". Dog was 9 years old 2/?
Penguinsandbroadswords
No child care, parents all worked/just as broke. No one would take us with dog, to get help hubby had to take "training classes" 3/?
Penguinsandbroadswords
for 6 hours a day, (basically you must be a bad person to be in this position) had to be in shelter by 6pm But I worked 2/3rd split. 4/?
futuremonkey
Imagine the mindset of the person who got paid to think that up.
Bent0916
Thanks for saying "man" instead of "person" like the OP did. Omitting that the large majority of the homeless are men.
InfiniteSynapse
ParallelParking
You are either a very dedicated troll or a very stupid person
Bent0916
Bit of both. Society does tend to emphasize "man" when something bad happens and use "people" for compassion:
ImJustHereSoIDontGetFined
The two are often not mutually exclusive.
Bent0916
http://youtu.be/6ZAuqkqxk9A It's "Him" when someone is killed. It's "Them" or "Firefighters" when 4 men charge into a burning house.
Bent0916
We're very careful to be gender neutral about good things these days and just as quick to prefer masculine terms when bad things happen.
trollprozac
I personally think it's a good idea. It gets them off the streets and into a nice warm hospital bed.
glassweaver
I was going to respond with something meaningful until I saw your username.
trollprozac
Homeless people should be made into hamburgers and fed to homeless people. Problem solved.
glassweaver
You solidified my point perfectly!
trollprozac
Excellent!
DisgruntledFerret
Cool story, Mr. Jonathan Swift.
HotMilky
10/10 would be homeless in Canada
ThisYes
Fuck that, put a board of wood down. boom. you set.
slapmyassandcallmesusan
inorite....elevated too.
itsGood4you
Exactly, that way you're even off the ground in case the rain is falling :D
corneliusgansevoort
And it helps keep you dry as the runoff rain water flows under your board BOOM drainage plan.
ThisYes
essastly.
accipiter
Homeless people are ridiculously innovative. Those spikes won't do shit. Instead of spikes, spend that money on homeless programs.
BananaNotToScale
"Theyre thinking again, stop that!" -The Gov't
StringNotFound
Yeah. If things got real bad, you could just find a way to prison for free boarding, food and companionship!
Counterfit
One dude robbed a bank for $1 so he could get medical care in prison
radioheadshouldcometoindia
:(
21cutdryguy
unfortunately it doesn't matter (as far as I'm aware) if you steal $1.00 or $1M you still go to jail for the same amount of time.
MOTHERFUCKINGALLAH
:(
AsianDad
In all honesty, I'll rather go to prison than being homeless, that way I'll get free food and a bed.
acme64
and free buttsecks
SAWhowhatnow
Yeah, what with all those 6'x3' boards that are just lying around everywhere and all.
NekoMiko06
I'm just saying, but couldn't you just stack a bunch of corrugated cardboard?
lawrus
Ugh. They can just go the local hardware store that is just a short drive away and buy one. They're only about $20. DUH.
SAWhowhatnow
Because homeless people often have $20 to burn.
slapmyassandcallmesusan
Guys...I think I found Drax in imgur.
WhimsicalCalamari
...that's the joke
lawrus
that's the joke.
ThisYes
give me ten minutes to walk around that city and i will find materials that would work.
SAWhowhatnow
Ok. Please, go do that. Take pictures and document it, you'll get mad imgur points. And I know that sounds sarcastic, but it isn't. Do it.
ThisYes
ha i believe you. But the cost for travel outweighs the imgur points.
JonnyRaygun
You're like the homeless MacGuyver savior. (That sorta makes sense).
ThisYes
Totally makes sense.
varsil
You can get pallets for free where I am, and a couple pallets would do nicely.
ThisYes
same here. refurbish them into a lot of things
Bricklemeyer
Pfft youve obviouly never been homeless. I once found a lay z boy recliner. That was a good week.
ManBearZac
I mean, with how big the spikes are and how far they're spaced apart, one could easily sleep there comfortably.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Comfortably
DickWhiskers
Couldn't they just lay cardboard on top of the spike and sleep on top of that? Maybe 2 or 3 layers and your golden.
wefw
Exactly what I thought when I first saw these. Fuck who made them, grab some cardboard/particleboard/wood from a dumpster and lay it on top
CONFESSlONBEAR
...until some young douchebag decides to have fun by body-slamming you while you're sleeping atop those spikes.
Jensaw101
If they're willing to commit assault and impulsive enough to be goaded by these, they'd have done it without the presence of the spikes.
MoonMoon25
I was just thinking that I would sleep on my side. its like little guard rails lol,
PastaJesus
They aren't spaced that far apart, you'd have trouble fitting doing anything but laying on your side
LoopStricken
I for one have to sleep on my side or the acid eats at my throat.
renakunisaki
My doctor gave me Acifix (Rabeprazole) for that. It works really well.
LoopStricken
I take Ranitidine, seems to do the trick.
daaboot
What's your definition of "comfort"?
Hornyhippo1
Apparently homelessness is a nuisance and not an issue.
feedmeseymour
THIS.
kmikl
Yeah, that's the part that pisses me off. Our governments are willing to dump billions in foreign aid, but won't do much of anything here.
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kmikl
It's payment against the money borrowed annually.
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kmikl
And forgiven against debts incurred.
maelstr0m
In Utah, they found it's actually cheaper to give homeless people homes rather than keep them on the street. We should do that everywhere.
ismith2
Same w/ St. Lous....read http://archives.newyorker.com/?i=2006-02-13#folio=096 - it's a Malcolm Gladwell article on it. Pretty neat.
SailorVSays
You read that on Cracked today, huh?
maelstr0m
No actually, knew about it for awhile. It's been out for awhile.
PCard
Good for Utah!
lurklurkupvotelurk
I was just telling a friend about that the other day! They made it illegal to be homeless and gave them all housing and job training, right?
doubledubs
I love this.
CPatricoo
That was a contrived statistic that wrapped in law enforcement costs for irrelevant crines. But whatever.
BrainBlow
It reduces the amount of hobos being sent to the emergency room. And getting sent to the emergency room in America is EXPENSIVE.
CPatricoo
Bug government housing wouldn't reduce that number to zero. In fact what study would say the number would drop significantly at all?
BrainBlow
This one. http://www.nhchc.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/vm_0901.pdf
CPatricoo
2/2 wouldn't simply be shifting one statistic to another statistic, or lowering the cost in any significant way like I asked.
CPatricoo
It does not. It talks about those costs and explains the causes, but it also references "low income" costs. It does not explain why it 1/2