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Baby's cries
Why do babies cry? They say that mom just KNOWS why.
This is total and complete bullshit.
For the first few months my husband and I constantly played the guessing game as to why our daughter was crying. We eventually figured out the cause after eliminating all others.
As the baby grows, parents LEARN how to recognise certain signs like fatigue, hunger, pain or just "hold meeeeee" whimpers.
Importance of breastfeeding
Breastfeeding is best for your baby. Antibodies. Perfect food. Yadda yadda.
YES this is all true and moms to be read all about that stuff and some choose to breastfeed, others do offer formula.
But has anybody told you about how fucking CONVENIENT THIS SHIT IS?
Seriously. Moms have ready made milk, perfect temperature, perfect consistency, perfect everything right there, anytime, anywhere. She just lifts her shirt and pops the boob in the tiny human's mouth. That's it.
With formula there's definitely more work involved. Nurses at maternity wards should definitely insist on this aspect if they want to convince moms to breastfeed.
You cannot spoil your baby
It's true.
I was so freaking out that certain things that I do will set the grounds for bad habits in my daughter later on. NOPE. Until they reach about 8-10 months, spoiling is the least of your worries. Babies need to be much older to understand that they're being spoiled. I went over my head with affection and holding and picking her up at her slightest cry BECAUSE I WANTED TO.
She turned out just fine.
No ragrets.
Co sleeping
Having a giant scar on my uterus was quite painful and getting up 20+ times a night was also painful and I was a walking train wreck so one night I thought "fuck this" so I put my daughter into bed with me. We both slept better. Much better. Nursing was a breeze and my husband and I got plenty of rest. That's the way it worked for us and I realize it is not an option for many so, each parent will do what they think is best for their baby and themselves.
"But isn't that DANGEROUS?"
Yes. It is. If you're stoned, drunk or totally irresponsible then it is.
There are guidelines out there for safe co sleeping and it can be done. There are just some things that need to be kept in mind, that is all. Google is your friend in this.
"Back in my day...."
Stop right there.
I don't care. That was back in YOUR day so zip it.
Advice is very welcomed any day but do not try to enforce that shit on me. It's not gonna happen. I';m gonna listen to your advice, probably even try do to the things you told me and report back to tell you if it worked or not.
You need to remember that YOU are the parent. Not your mom, dad, aunt, neighbour or friend and YOU and only YOU decide how you deal with YOUR baby. Simple as that.
EDIT : I am well aware that breastfeeding moms go through a shitstorm of issues (souce : been through one myself) and weather to do it/not to do it is each and every mother's personal decision. I was just trying to point out that when I started doing it and it was so painful it almost drove me insane, I really wish I had someone tell me how much easier nursing would be compared to the formula making process (especially at 3 am while the baby is screaming), rather than lecturing me about benefits and other stuff. Many moms don't want to or can't actually breastfeed and that doesn' make them bad moms. Don';t let anyone pressure you into doing either if you do not want to.
FP edit : holy crap, guys. Thanks for all the love!
MRW I got the "Staff Pick" trophy http://i.imgur.com/JrCuAHB.gif
I'm relevant! (yelled the speck of dust)
VulcanWithoutLogic
I am currently nursing #4 and it was just as painful starting out as the first time with each. I am always glad I stuck it out though.
priestsaresotouchy
YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS: When Dr hands you the baby 1st time, its eyes can go in opposite directions and that's ok. That one fucked me up.
MissSpaceFace
I was present at my niece's birth a couple of weeks ago and she was so fucking cross eyed it made me laugh. It stopped after an hour or so.
priestsaresotouchy
I was shoving mine back in the doctor's hands going FIX HER EYES HOLY SHIT! etc. Of all the classes, books, w/e, they should have told me.
Mshine
AND VACCINATE THE LITTLE BUGGER
zushiba
You misspelled booger.
Richardglute
And please don't do it to yourself when putting baby to sleep don't turn off all the sound in the house, play music leave tv on, get the
Richardglute
Baby used to loud sounds , you will thank me. When you have guest over and everyone has to be quiet because the baby is napping is no good!
Kerro1981
As a new father i am jealous of my wife's breasts, particularly at 4 in the morning.
theblondeone
You're wife could pump and store the milk in the freezer. That way, you have back up milk supply that you can feed your little one with.
Kerro1981
The thing is I have to go prepare and heat that. Not just lift up my top an feed. When the little one is crying every second is heartbreak.
theblondeone
Very true and it's hard. But it's one of the things you learn, 5 mins of crying won't hurt them. Just cry with them :P Good luck!
deadlyDouche
Is she single? I like breasts.
Kerro1981
No some bastard has her trapped
SugarSmack
Whenever a friend is expecting, I always get one of these in the appropriate color:
It always goes over well.
SomeGeographer
I have this & the "if you didn't put it here, don't touch it" shirt on my pregnancy wish list. I know my mil is going to annoy me.
nanikaprofound
All true, esp. No.1. Worst thing I was told when my daughter was very new was "you know your baby best"..yeah, nah, I really didn't.
canyonero
http://imgur.com/account/favorites/EP8Xhub
FFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK
"IT'S MY BABY I KNOW BEST" *Feeds 2 year with old redbull*
FFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK
Yes, I see my mistake, but you can see it as 2 year old redbull if you want.
HungryPumpkn
You're such a nutcase! Obviously Dr. Pepper is the way to go...
KarmaaRose
I raised my kid the way I thought best, no matter what others said. My kid is now happy, healthy and successful. What more could I ask for?
Tom40
My daughter looked so much like my wife I could always tell why she was crying, because she had the same facial expressions as my wife.
WeWerePromisedJetpacks
The hardest thing I found about being a parent was dealing with other parents who fancied themselves "experts".
mosinmonster
However annoying they can be, that is definitely not the hardest part.
mudgetheotter
"Congratulations, you've managed to not kill a child."
konsumer
The part I hate the most is when they start the sentence with "I was reading about... and how is wrong." -_-
itsPixie
Generally the hardest thing I disfavour being a parent is other parents entirely. Just, ugh.
LazyLexiconographer
Everyone is an expert on anything they do, except when in the company of someone with empirical evidence of their ineptitude.
chylde
I go out of my way to hold my tongue. I have two kids which is far from an expert, but still experienced... and still keep my yap shut.
chylde
my experience is you do what works for you so I'm not about to preach at you about what worked for us.
RufioRufioRoofieOHHH
These "experts" are called mother-in-laws
iamthisguy247
I found grandparents and people in their generation annoying. Simultaneously telling you that you do too much, and not enough.
Funkapotamus
My 17mo son won't eat or sleep. "Have no tried apple sauce?" No you fuckwit. I've tried everything EXCEPT that. Problem solved, genius.
zigzampow
Becoming parent in March. Already experiencing this.
Selendrii
Same here! Have you also gotten the judgement from people on names? That is the best.
zigzampow
We are still working on the name, and we decided to keep it to ourselves- mostly because we don't want to hear about it. Good luck!
mudgetheotter
Smile and nod. Smile and nod.
MissPammie
Any time I don't listen to my mom's advice she gets so fucking mad it's stupid. Plus she doesn't respect what I want as a parent.
fattyontheinside93
Omg. This is my life right now.
HelenWhat
I was trying to discipline my stroppy three year old and my mom took his side. You can imagine how easy that made life.
mudgetheotter
Put them *both* into time-out.
ShearWind
Can confirm. Like "I raised 2 kids and I KNOW BETTER THAN EVERYONE" kind of stuff
RageCuddles
People give my cousin shit because they think his daughter is a mentally handicapped 5 year old. She's just a super tall 3yo. So judgey!
MollyBloomsDeadDreams
Especially since my relatives who think like that raised 3 kids who are all in therapy now to get over their parents' "education"...
jackpkmn
I've only ever had two pieces of advice for any parent, listen to the sound of a baby being circumcised before deciding to do it. 1/2
RestingBitchFace1985
Was the 1st piece of advice meant to deter? I watched my son be circumcised, and I'll still circumcise any more future boys.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
They made an emotional argument rather than a logical one. It will work for some but not for others.
jackpkmn
The logical argument also doesn't seem to sway people so i figured i'd at least try.
jackpkmn
And please please don't hit your kids. Just becasue you have finally internalized it and view it as a positive doesn't mean it was. 2/2
RestingBitchFace1985
Agree w the hitting. Hitting only relieves parents' stress, it doesn't teach the kid anything. Other than to use violence to solve problems
LanieDee
As a pregnant woman that got shell shocked by the reality of symptoms, thank you.
AngeIa
Symptoms?
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
One of the more annoying aspects of people becoming parents is that they all suddenly become experts on being parents
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
"I really don't think you should-" "YOU'RE NOT A PARENT, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAAAAAAAAAND" *lets kid eat 35 pop-tarts*
quicktochuckle
To be fair, Poptarts are nummy. But really, at least statistically speaking, there's gotta be a fuck ton of bad parents shelling out advice.
amypondscum
OP included
NeverCleverEnough
People thought I nursed because i was a crunchy-granola mom. TBH, I was lazy and cheap. Free milk? I can lay down and do it? That is my jam.
3LittleJokers
High five my fellow lazy and cheap momma!
JlynTheo
Ditto. I used to think I was super granola, and then I realized it's just cuz baby wearing, nursing, co-sleeping are all just easier.
cincodemaya
My advice to all new patents: no matter what you do you'll be "wrong" to someone, so do what feels right to you
pigstails
if you want a safe/cheap way to co-sleep with your baby, buy a SNIGLAR crib (ikea) remove one side, attach to your bed with hooks or belt
creepwood
Sniglar = Snails in Swedish
SuckitPUPPS
This is what i did! it was perfect.
aboxacaraflatafan
How about this one: That flood of lovely emotions that movies show when mom first holds baby? Not guaranteed, even for months, and it's OK.
hilarylaw
I think this point is super important and that most women shouldn't be ashamed or embarrassed to admit it.
ImGwenWest
Yes! Those "keep this tiny, helpless creature alive" instincts are often more logically-based than emotionally-based at first.
thingssomeonesays
YES. I wish had more votes. So many women don't know this.
smellsbells
My crotch trophy is TWELVE & I just found out I was not some emotionless freak bc of this. More mom's need to know this.
5tellaire
Writing down "crotch-trophy" as a way to mortifying my own 11yo. Thank you!!
kchin154
This is extremely important! I did not get to see my baby much in 2 weeks from c-sect complications and felt I didn't bond enough 1/2
kchin154
with him. I felt like I didn't 'connect' and I was ashamed. Keep an eye out for postpartum depression and seek help!
miniquejj
My story was the exact same. He's almost three now and I still sometimes feel like I am missing something important.
kchin154
My son is 20 m/o and sometimes I feel that too. What helps me is having my husband take him for an hour while I have some 'me' time 1/2
kchin154
and taking him out to the park, walking, playing in the dirt...just doing activities with him. If you're a woman of faith, pray :)
biw3199
yikes
aboxacaraflatafan
It's true, and incredibly important for women to know when they give birth. Having the love for the baby grow over time is normal and fine.1
biw3199
normal? it probably doesn't happen in the majority of cases, so normal is the wrong word. sorry you didn't love your baby right away.
aboxacaraflatafan
Don't try to take jabs at me. I'm not insulting anyone or being rude. It's normal, and this reaction doesn't help people who go through it.
biw3199
it's something that CAN happen but won't for the majority of people. not loving your baby is not normal.
biw3199
man, there are a bunch of super sensitive women here lol. Imgur really needs to grow a thicker skin. go hold hands on tumblr or something.
aboxacaraflatafan
Many women discover after birth that they aren't getting that flood of emotions, and they believe there's something wrong with them when (2)
buttermyarse
I'm glad i read this. I'm not pregnant, but I often imagine the overwhelming flood of love you would feel when looking at your baby.
aboxacaraflatafan
In reality, both reactions to giving birth are perfectly normal. (3)
aneane
I HATED the first three months as a parent. I was NOT prepared for how fucking shit it is to be a new mom. Now, a yr later: totally worth it
JlynTheo
I'm opposite. Newborns were easy for me - eat, sleep, change. Now that I have a 2.5 yr old and 14-mo old I want to gouge my eyeballs out.
aneane
So the worst is yet to come ? Oh darn! :P
3LittleJokers
OMG This! Sure teeny baby snuggles are great, but most of it is bullshit. My third kid was SUCH a PITA until she was about 6-8 months old.
MrsSlavicHorse
So agree on the convenience of breastfeeding, as much as wanted couldnt do it, exclusively pumped, and still more convenient than formula
jellybeanexplosion
I'm pumping now and have done formula and I find formula way easier. Trying to hang on to the breastmilk as long as sanity will allow!
MrsSlavicHorse
I found bm easier because it stores better, Ive had 5 oz of it stay fine at room temp for 12 hours, also reused bottles many times, no 1/2
MrsSlavicHorse
need to wash every time. If you need help/advice pm me, I'm still exclusively pumping after 13 months :) 2/2
perilsof3d
Serious question, why do parents keep the baby's crib in a separate room? Isn't it a lot more convenient to have it right there
robmom
In our situation it has to do with lack of space in our room. We managed to squeeze a bassinet besides the bed for a while though.
gwenekozh
After 3 weeks of life my son was alone in his room at night bc he snored while sleeping (and husband and I wanted some sexy time too)
SuckitPUPPS
my mom told me she put me in another room so she could get some sleep :/
willowed
Everyone does what is best for them but I agree with you. Plus-I nursed for two years. Much easier to to just plop them in bed with you.
PurpleAndBlack
So you don't end up with a four-year-old who won't sleep in his own room. Going to his room at night really wasn't such an inconvenience.
DinoDiva
Yes breastfeeding is way more convenient and cost effective but it isn't necessarily the right magical thing for everyone.
SuckitPUPPS
That is true, but some people wouldn't consider that can be less work than Formula, especially if they have never known anyone to nurse.
jellybeanexplosion
Yes! Going through terribly low production right now and seem to be feeding and pumping constantly, formula feeding would def be easier.
SuckitPUPPS
Be sure your getting enough water & calories. Avoid stuff that can reduce supply like mints, Menthol and decongestants...
SuckitPUPPS
But no shame in formula. If I had to take extraordinary measures to nurses hang it up too. Or nurse what I could then finished with formula
jellybeanexplosion
I'm pumping and supplementing giving myself goals like I know I can make it this way x amount of weeks. I just wish it were easier sometimes
DinoDiva
Oh for sure, I think that lack of information is a huge factor in what people choose. I breastfed my son until 13 months and never LOVED it
DinoDiva
Parents choose what is right for their family and I think the best thing we can offer is information and support for their decisions
SuckitPUPPS
I loved it with my first, but feel blah about it with my second.
Kromerag
It's either poop, pee, hunger or fear. Sometimes all 4
Pandageddon
Sometimes, babies just cry. It relieves tension.
MissSpaceFace
Or belly aches :(
JohnLennonjohtotorni
Or too hot
snowytheboss
Do not co-sleep!! In the span of two weeks we had 4 kids come in dead. While the odds aren't super high it's a huge risk for something easy!
STEVEH0LT
People need to realize that rolling on the baby isnt the only risk. If any of parents bedding shifts onto a newborns face, it can suffocate.
STEVEH0LT
When they are newborns, they don't have the ability to push anything off of their face=(
theblondeone
Agreed, when I co slept with my son, he had his own blanket for this very reason. Helps create a buffer btwn us & no worries of suffocation.
phoenixsphinx
I love how ppl think the squishing is the danger. It's the frakking heat too and ppl don't get it that baby hates to be baked
zfdk
Baby cries: 1st child: OMGOMGOMG Why is she crying!!?!?? - 3rd child: Meh, she cries which means she's still alive. I'm going back to sleep!
Lederpin
My sister had 6. I raised one, so by the time I had my own I'm pretty chilled out with mine.
typointhetitle
It only took 2 for me to get there.
Ooooooohyeah
It took me a couple months with my kid to realize this. And I only have one.
Moonmoonn
Lol that's funny
daraos
So the third kid learns that his needs are not relevant and that there is nobody who cares, nice move.
ilvincbs
You obviously don't have kids, have never worked with kids, and maybe even don't have siblings.
daraos
A half-brother, brother, sister, a son, 3 nephews, a niece, worked in a kindergarten for 3 years. Learned to take kids' needs serious.
ilvincbs
LOL!
LostInSwitzerland
I wish I could give you more than one upvote for this...
DamnLemonStealingWhore
4th child here. There's home movies of my crying my head off and my parents just continued to tape my siblings.
PumpkinSpiceEverything
fuck you grace, my dance routines were awesome
DamnLemonStealingWhore
You're just mad mom turned off the camera every time you were in the shot during the puppet Christmas video
DoctorTobiasFunkeAnalrapist
There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
OrchidCelestialEyes
One of us one of us
TheGoblinPopper
5th child here. I'm 23 and still hear new stories from neighbors about me wondering onto the main road or similar things at 2 years old.
clawbla
1/2 I did the exact same thing but I'm the 4th child. Whenever my dad was asleep I'd use to climb down the front steps and crawl across the
SayaImgur
As a 2nd child, I did that once on a dead end road and almost put my mom in jail for neglect.
DamnLemonStealingWhore
My parents lost me at my first birthday party. It's on video.
TheGoblinPopper
My dad dropped me on the 'Pirates of the Caribbean' ride in Disney. He didn't know there was a drop coming.... thankfully he caught me. haha
clawbla
2/2 road into a furniture place, this happened twice. I even use to crawl under our fence. This all happened when I was 2 - 4
TheGoblinPopper
1/2 My family got a pool right after I was born, but didn't get it fenced in. My dad build a physical trip wire that would go off if I went
TheGoblinPopper
2/2 too close to it. It looks and sounds like the fire alarm bells from grade school. He told me he was tired of following me around.
maymay1588
I learned after bringing home a fake baby from school and shoving it in a closet wrapped in blankets to block noise, I shouldn't have kids.
lyricallove
1/2 I did the fake baby. Thing woke me up twice crying. I ended up crying after trying everything and woke my mom up to help. Shit you not,
Mairoa
I did the egg in middle school. Got a metal box and toilet paper, shoved that bastard in my locker. I didn't need convincing babies suck
lyricallove
2/2 a few minutes with my mom, the thing shut up. My mom is amazing with babies. Real or fake apparently.
Cheomesh
Why on earth anyone would have more than one is beyond me.
chylde
We had two - to replace us. Also someone told us not get outnumbered by our kids and we took that to heart lol
FFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK
If the first 5 doesn't survive you have 5 more just in case!
rumandbass
Same reason lots of people get a 2nd dog. They need a friend.
Cheomesh
Better to have 0 at that rate
darkoshen
nay, no uh-uh. Two entertain each other, #1 teaches #2 (so kindly don't mess up #1), and there is usually PLENTY love to go 'round. Enjoy.
Pandageddon
Masochism is real
dietderpsy
Some people misplace their children like car keys I suppose.
GavinScreaming
As someone from a big family only having one seems really depressing
Xerubay
Agreed. My siblings are my best friends.
GavinScreaming
Same, not to mention some of my cousins.
Mairoa
I'm an only child. I probably would've killed a sibling. I HATED other kids and sharing. Loved being an only child.
Cheomesh
More depressing: http://www.census.gov/popclock/
GermanIrishEngineering
Not really depressing, but eye opening. the stork is working overtime
zagibu
9 billion in 2050.
GavinScreaming
nah
myfingerpoints
Because they are awesome. I have 3 boys 6,3 & 1. Wouldn't change it. Life is so much better with all of them.
Cheomesh
http://www.census.gov/popclock/
BAMFnerd
Pshh. We'll be long dead before overpopulation starts to take its toll ;)
Cheomesh
No, no we wont. You see, you and I here in the West have nice things because most of those 7 billion do not. But they want nice things.
myfingerpoints
Are you trying to shame me for having 3 kids?
Cimpleton
Great link, cheers.
sleambean
Spreads the genes. If you have one kid, when you and your partner die there will be one less person with your genes in the next generation.
Cheomesh
Yeah, that implies the genes are worth keeping. Are they special in some way?
sleambean
That's the whole point though, from an evolutionary standpoint. Getting as much offspring as possible.
seeingsalty
There's so many humans on earth I think the genes will be fine if I skip popping out a crotch demon.
Y2garry
Only child reporting here. My dad is the only one of his siblings to have a kid. So the preassure to carry on the family name is all mine :)
sleambean
My family have been only children for four generations on both sides. I am literally their only hope.
Mairoa
I'm an only child. My mom's told me to not reproduce. I hate kids and I'm a genetic train wreck
BootsNCatsNBootsNCatsN
Y'all breastfeeding totalitarians need to slow your roll; makes for awkward conversations when mother's can't produce. They already feel bad
schizotech
You talked about something some people cant or wont do. You are a bad person and should feel bad.
BootsNCatsNBootsNCatsN
Hey, we're all friends - I am not trying to be a jerk store
ImTheOneWhoTookYourRug
Also, tough to do if you're not a stay at home mom. People don't realize you dry up if you don't do it every 3 hours. Pumps at work = rawr.
biw3199
every 3 hours lol wut
DreamCatcher01
I didn't even try to breastfeed. I didn't want to. All 3 of my kids were bottle babies. No regrets.
WasThatAFartOrAShart
I know OP doesn't mean it as a "you MUST", but I took it the wrong way too. Reason? Wife couldn't produce, no matter how hard she tried (1)
WasThatAFartOrAShart
, or how many LC's she saw. Some just can't do it. It sent her deep into postpartum after our first one. She felt like a failure as a mom(2)
AwesomeName
Don't see where you get this from, OP only remarked how convenient it is.
BootsNCatsNBootsNCatsN
my only point is something innocuous like "Oh its so convenient, why aren't you doing it?" 1/
BootsNCatsNBootsNCatsN
can actually be painful and make a woman feel "less than" Ya know?
ShearWind
You are absolutely right and no mom should be pressured into it. I was just trying to point out that there are more benefits than the
ShearWind
obvious ones that are widely publicized.
ImTheOneWhoTookYourRug
Convenient if you can stay at home and do it whenever. It takes a lot of logistics for a working mom, it's important, but difficult.
hilarylaw
Yeh I tried so hard to breastfeed & just couldn't get my production up I was spending the first 2 months just feeding n pumping nonstop
hilarylaw
3/3 and I felt like a crappy mother that I couldn't even feed my own child. so in terms if feeling bad, the whole subject can be a sorespot
BootsNCatsNBootsNCatsN
My mom's generation were all told formula was the way - I am a formula baby and me good brain smart. :) feeling bad = good mothering!
hilarylaw
Aw thank you :)
hilarylaw
to get a max of 2 oz each time, even after visiting a lactation consultant and meanwhile my baby was getting thinner and malnourished.
Pandageddon
I struggled with breastfeeding for three months and stopped two weeks ago. I don't regret it.
DeathDove
I struggled for three months too, plus I was supplementing with formula because I wasn't producing enough. I hate that I felt 1/2
mdumbblonde
I breast fed my daughter for a year. My son, 2 months. Every baby is different. There is no right or wrong, just whatever works better.
WhiterThanWonderBread
My Mom couldn't breastfeed because she didn't make enough milk and I wouldn't latch. She feels bad that she didn't, even though she couldn't
DeathDove
This is hard for women. There is this idea that you are somehow "less of a woman" or a bad mother if you can't. It sucks.
WhiterThanWonderBread
She's said pretty much this exact statement to me on more than one occasion.
rivenwhistle
You do your best. You tried! Be proud you did what you could.
NatBoz
I made it 4 months and just switched to formula a couple of weeks ago. Baby is much happier now which makes me happier.
DeathDove
Like a terrible mother for that. It took me about a year to really let that feeling of inadequacy go.
Pandageddon
I had to do the same thing. I felt stupid that I didn't realize my child was still hungry all the time, even with him feeding all the time.
pringlesyum
Breastfeeding is just the new trend to make mom's feel like shit for making decisions best for them. 30 years ago it was the reverse.
Pandageddon
There's mom-shaming on everything, it seems like. Honestly, if my child is being fed and happy, how k feed him shouldn't matter.
Kerro1981
You tried some don't even do that.
5tellaire
My son was two months early and smaller than my breasts. I pumped exclusively for six months and had to stop b/c pumping never got easier.
5tellaire
I got kicked from breastfeeding "support" groups for quitting, but I did what was best for my mental health which is what's best for my son.
JMUhopeless
My wife pumped. It allowed me to take all the night feedings for the first 6weeks while I was off work. I got to bond with my son more.
Pandageddon
When I pumped, I barely got anything =\
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
Some women cannot pump, no matter the amount of their supply.
Pandageddon
I was always engorged at some level. It was horrible.
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
I'm sorry, engorgement is just no fun.
theblondeone
It took me a week before my boobies adjusted to the pumps. Then it was no problem. But it was hard either way...
Pandageddon
I never adjusted. I had to go back to work and I went through two pumps. Going back to work killed my milk supply.
CrimsonNirnr00t
I struggled w/ breastfeeding for 2 days and stopped (6 years ago). I had a 9lb baby and could not feed him enough. I don't regret it either
planetNasa
I'm glad you did what was best for you but keep in mind it takes 3-4 days for milk to fully come in. Colostrum has enough nutrients for babe
Pandageddon
You tried. It was never convenient for me, like for some people. He was on me constantly, and he couldn't latch correctly. =\
CrimsonNirnr00t
And I don't feel like my son and I had *less* bonding time than a breastfed baby.
ominousdusk
baby's stomach at 2 days old hold 1/2 tsp. Baby has stores from in utero colostrum is enough for days. Frequent feeding is how they signal
ominousdusk
Your breasts to make milk. It'scalled cluster feeding and its normal newborn behavior
ominousdusk
It's fine if breastfeeding wasn't for you but please don't think it was because you weren't making enough
TinyOctopus
Tiny Octopus used to get into arguments with his ex over him holding his daughters all the time and how she thought he was spoiling them.
RumpledElf
Hold the babies. Hugging is good for them.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Tiny octopus sounds like an awesome dad with some lucky octopi babies.
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
I know right, I wonder if @TinyOctopus wants to adopt any imgurians? :)
Piornet
I'm sad that you totally ignored the kick-ass tiny octopus I spent an hour hand drawing for you :(
TinyOctopus
AGH! Tiny Octopus is mortified. But grateful, because you drew attention to all the other hand drawn cephalopods that he missed.
Piornet
Yay! USA!
TinyOctopus
Tiny Octopus once told her that if she didn't want to hold them, that was her business, but he was going to keep holding them as long as he
TinyOctopus
could and as long as they wanted him to. There's nothing in the world better (in his opinion) than knowing you have someone who will hug you
squibble
*holds up banner* I LOVE YOU TINYOCTOPUS! you're my favorite comments to read :3
kittytoes
I've been meaning to draw you a tiny octopus for like a month now. Also, TinyOctopus is a good dad.
CaffeinatedNecromancer
YES YES YES YES! Especially by daddy, when you are the size of a NERF football (I was a preemie, and have a twin sister)
iLikeBeerandSquirrels
I loved holding my daughter. I miss it. I left when she was 6 months old. She was 2y/o when I got home from deployment.
TinyOctopus
Ugh. Tiny Octopus was on several deployments with new dads. He was always glad that they got "first off the boat" privileges.
INameMyPetsAfterRedvsBlueCharacters
I took a few courses in developmental psychology, so I'm an expert (/s), you were doing exactly what you should be doing.
piggyslippers
Especially if they have 8 arms.
TinyOctopus
especially when you're like...the size of a football.
CorrectorOfSlightlyOffQuotes
Octodad is that you?
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
absolutely!! When they're that tiny they NEED all the hugs, like ALL of the hugs ever in the entire world, that's what makes them secure 1/2
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
2/2 when they FEEL loved when they're so tiny, they feel valued, and value themselves, it creates secure, loving independent adults
Dawnstempest
Bullshit on that. As someone who was very rarely hugged, and abused as a kid I turned out just fine into a secure loving adult.
FFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKK
TinyOctopus have eight arms and must be a great hugger.
Civikjm
Giggles were had when they were footballs. Lots of fun flying.
TreeGoop
Yes! Lovely :)
mynameisnotalice
My mom still holds me sometimes. I am 171cm, 82kg and 25 years old.
angel0524
Mom hugs are the greatest
TinyOctopus
Tiny Octopus jokes with his daughters (They're 4 and 5) that he'll continue to hold them. Although it'll be awkward when they're 30. :D
Princesscheezywieners
Nursing mama here. Gonna go ahead and call you out on the breastfeeding part..."And pops a boob in the tiny humans mouth, that's it". (1/2)
dontthinkifitinhere
Yes thank you. My son had a lip tie and i had to stop breast feeding after a week,felt like a failure butnot having the option isnt my fault
dontthinkifitinhere
Thank you! My son has a lip tie i had to stop after a week. I felt like a failure but its hard to feel that bond when you cry every feeding
Princesscheezywieners
Whew girl, way to gloss over thrush, mastitis, ties, Supply issues, pumping if you work, allergies, and dietary responsibility. (2/2)
Princesscheezywieners
To name a few. This shit is not for sissies.
ShearWind
Been through them all and I totally get them. It's just that, personally, I wish I had been encouraged through those difficult times 1/2
ShearWind
2/2 with less degrading speeches and more actual encouragement.
Therearetoomanyusernames
No lactating consultant told me about the C-Hold and that was all I needed to resolve my latching issues. Also, blocked ducts, HOLY CRAP!
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Initial pain is toe curling and not helped by reading "if it hurts, you're doing it wrong" on every forum/leaflet around.
twominutesforhighsticking
Not to mention that it is NOT CHILD ABUSE if you formula feed. Kids turn out fine. I'll take formula over horrid breastfeeding every time.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Totally. My premmie eldest was formula fed - he's a happy healthy 11 year old now. Formula saves lives. It's not poison.
awekee
I agree. You can't drink soda, can't eat some kind of sweets or meat when you're breasfeeding. And the part I HATE that NOBODY seems to 1/2
nightnurse
Not necessarily. I ate all those things without problems.
ominousdusk
What? You usually don't have to restrict your diet at all
SuckitPUPPS
I nursing for a total of 4 year -this isn't true. Caffeine doesn't have to be avoided while BF. Maybe your worried about peppermint b/c it
SuckitPUPPS
can reduce supply? A little bit won't hurt. Breastfeeding has far less restrictions than pregnancy unless baby has an issue.
awekee
2/2 point out when you start bresatfeeding is the fucking PAIN ! That shit is awfull, your mamelons literally crack up !!! That hurts !!!!
nightnurse
Not everyone has that pain when starting out...and the cracking isn't normal either. Incorrect laching and not using cream can cause that.
ShearWind
Yes. I had bleeding sores for like...a week and when the nurse told me that breastfeeding heals them I thought she was nuts. She wasn't 1/2
ShearWind
2/2 nuts at all. A few (very painful) days later, they started to heal and had no issues from then on. Lucky me, I guess.
SPlathEffect
This. 1000 times THIS. Pain and more pain I cried. However, mastitis was worse but still.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Umm wut? Currently breastfeeding while drinking soda - where are you getting your advice from?
likeallthethings
Crying in pain ... I also found out later he was lactose intolerant so I couldn't have any dairy .. Same with coffee
likeallthethings
It upsets some babies bellies ... I know with my son I couldn't have anything like that because he was so sensitive. He'd be up all night
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
That's individual differences, there is no blanket rule that says nursing mums shouldn't drink soda or eat sweets and meat.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Only that they should have a balanced diet. Only meat rule I can think if is re liver and vit A in pregnancy.
twominutesforhighsticking
You're not supposed to have too much caffeine, and if the baby is a preemie they often recommend cutting it out entirely.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Yeah if I drink caffeine my kid is bouncing off the walls, not all soda contains caffeine.
SuckitPUPPS
Caffeine peeks 1-2 hours after ingestion. Baby only gets between a small % of total infested amount. I like to plan feedings around a coke.
CrankyCat
Someone needs to mention the mutilated, bleeding cracked nipples part of breastfeeding. Doesn't last for more than a few weeks but fuuuccck.
StabbyAlligator
I cannot imagine allowing a baby to put ANY part of me in its mouth.
Therearetoomanyusernames
I KNOW! I suffered SO bad. Plus, blocked ducts were crazy too. Once we got it right, it was awesome!
cdubby
One of my nipples almost fell off. Yep, from them cracking so bad. My dr. was astonished, he never seen that before.
MissPammie
People need to be told that you AND baby are learning how to do this while breastfeeding thing. Took me a month to get used to it.
dassala
THANK YOU. I was even on percoset post-Cesarean and the breastfeeding pain was unbearable. :(
beanerschnitzle
Me too, I thought it couldn't get worse than engorgement, but I was wrong....
SuckitPUPPS
Mine were store but never bled. I found that nipple shells, not shields, were a great help for the soreness and preventing engorgement.
ShariaDove
Blisters. I got freaking blisters.
rivenwhistle
If your nipples are cracked and bleeding, something is wrong. Positioning, latch, tongue or lip tie - there are ways to help fix it!
ImGwenWest
Yes, but in most cases, the learning process will result in some serious discomfort. Once both are pros, no pain. Takes 2-10 weeks.
rivenwhistle
Not always. MOST of the time breastfeeding shouldn't cause SERIOUS discomfort. Underlying problems are usually where the pain comes from.
ImGwenWest
You're probably right. I'm just regurgitating info I heard from MY lactation nurse and pediatrician, professional opionions definitely vary.
rivenwhistle
I think that's part of the worst thing, is that opinions DO vary widely. I wish everybody could more or less come to a consensus. :(
seeingsalty
That's why my mom stopped breast-feeding me. It was too painful for her.
MooseKisses
I have heard many breast feeding moms say that after feeding if you rub some of your own milk around the nipple and area it helps a lot.
sup3rflyy
This doesn't happen to everyone. It didn't happen to me. Sure, they were sore. But nothing more than that.
noyougofuckyourself
If you get through it you are tougher for it. I've got the toughest Cage and nip you ever seen!
katos1995
Breastfeeding does have downfalls but the liquid gold boobie milk offers bonding and less sickness in flu season
TowelRod
right away. Wish someone would have told me and encouraged my anxiety ridden self :/ 2/2
notadamwest
amen! I got these silicone breast pads sort of like for treating burns. helped SO MUCH
Idonthavealottosay
WHAT?!
ominousdusk
It only happens if you have a bad latch and don't know what you are doing. It's not normal so if there's pain see a lactation consultant
SuperSunshineRainbow
Didn't happen to me.
Trythegreystuff
Didn't happen to me either
PaulHeyword
Lily pads are a life saver.
ominousdusk
That is not normal and a sign of a bad latch. A little pain is fine but bleeding is not. See a lactation consultant
kanihaznaiph
Also, apparently whatever the mom eats flavors the milk...spicy food = icky milk, sugary foods = sweet milk
ButtSmasher
I can help you with that. I'm an expert at sucking the pain out of nipples.
TowelRod
Also nobody ever put any importance on the fact that baby is learning to nurse just as much as you are. It's okay if it doesn't take 1/2
miniquejj
Luckily mine never bled. But I'm expecting baby 2, so there's still time.
ominousdusk
It's not normal for that too happen and it shouldn't if baby is latching correctly
venusbelle
I wish someone would have warned me
PopatoMc
As a male i did not know about that, it sounds terrible
Homophone
Nipple guards! Use nipple guards!
kriositivity
They actually can stop the mother from producing milk. My midwife warned me, I used them, in 2 months no more milk.
noyougofuckyourself
Yes!!!
kchin154
And gallons of coconut oil!!
katos1995
In the long term it isn't a good idea unless you have inverted nipples or another hindrance.
Homophone
You just use one while you heal. Healing doesn't take long, especially if you get it on right away. I did this once & it worked well.
CrankyCat
This is what I was told so I didn't even try them. :(
dmax12
nipple butter? Its a cool thing. Glad my mom exposed me to this shit - A Guy
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Omg, why were we designed with such sensitive nipples? Im in pain just thinking about it.
TheRobotWhoCriedHuman
Most women I slept with preferred a little teething/biting over just sucking!
katos1995
Teething aside, they get used to the tugging/ pulling of nursing
n7warrior
Commenting for reference. I'm about to have a baby soon and didn't know about nipple guards/shields.
doinitwitclasscuzigotabigass
Hydrogel pads are AMAZING when your nips hurt in the beginning. Lanolin cream helps. It DOES get better after the first few weeks. :)
ominousdusk
They shouldn't be used unless necessary. Bleeding and lots of pain is not normal. Take a class or go to LLL meeting
imustnotfear
I've heard rubbing nipples with a wash cloth before having to breast feed helps with sensitivity?
jaymdoe
I read somewhere that starting to use lanolin a month or so before the baby comes can help prevent chapping. I did it and had no issues.
SuckitPUPPS
Don't do that. It doesn't help and you don't want your nipples to be damaged when you start nursing.
miniquejj
Thank you. Was gonna look it up to see if it worked, but now I don't have to go through the trouble.
buttermyarse
Also for some women the milk doesn't come in, or the child won't take, or it dries up...there are a lot of potential obstacles for women.
ominousdusk
That's very very rare though. Like 1 or 2%. Alot of problems come from misconceptions and bad advice. Always see a lactation consultant
buttermyarse
My friend had a very sick baby which had to be taken to ICU. Her milk dried up despite her best efforts because baby wasn't around. She felt
buttermyarse
2. That she had failed as a mother and a woman. It might not be common but it happens and women need to know that they haven't failed.
ominousdusk
that is an exception she had a reason why she had a low supply. I was speaking about your milk not coming in or just drying up for no reason
buttermyarse
I know, I just know that these things can happen. Its important women know that they aren't failures.
pablo1669
my wife is due in 4 days, this was reassuring
Blazefast
Run m8, in my opinion you need to fucking run!
typointhetitle
Bring gum or breath mints. She might puke and you'll probably have coffee. Lots of heavy breathing going on... good luck!
canyonero
You should change the first few diapers. Cleaning the tar poop off their butts is an experience. Also go skin to skin with the baby.
INameMyPetsAfterRedvsBlueCharacters
Skin to skin! Yes! Moms do it more often for breastfeeding and whatnot, but Dads don't always know how great it is!
cwwazywazy
Your wife isn't even born yet? You pedo.
keithtjr
Cradle rodder err robber...
Pandageddon
Here's hoping for a swift, safe delivery. :3
pablo1669
Thank you!
onecattwocatbigcatsmallcat
Breastfeeding is hard. Ask the hospital if they have lactation consultant visit mom and baby. Have the lactation consultant look for 1/2
onecattwocatbigcatsmallcat
lip tie and tongue tie as well as giving proper advice for positions. The nurses' advice for me was not helpful.
Cheomesh
Say goodbye to your freetime.
Fatlegsnorma
My wife had ours a month ago. My advice is to sleep and help with everything. If she is yelling and mean, just let it go man. Good luck
MyFatBaby
First month is the hardest. Bring your own camera, hospital baby pictures are super pricey. There are no dumb baby questions, ask the nurses
Weentit
Your wife isn't even born yet?
beanerschnitzle
Make sure you take pictures and do the footprints in the hospital. You'll be exhausted and might forget but it'll be worth it later.
MissPammie
Congrats!
yavamosportuputahamburgesa
there is literally millions of years of child-raising experience behind you. It's in our genes. You got this.
killermachis
Mostly in mom's genes, but dads certainly know a thing or two! And the results are always better when they stick around.
yavamosportuputahamburgesa
scientific fact right there (provided it's a high quality dyad)
yavamosportuputahamburgesa
*there are. im very sleepy. on account of having a child.
disgr4ce
You and she will do a great job. Babies are fucking awesome. Know that breastfeeding is *really hard* but you HAVE to fight through it.
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
If breastfeeding remember the 3-week growth spurt. It will look like your baby is starving, they're not. They're just bumping up milk supply
INameMyPetsAfterRedvsBlueCharacters
I'm not a parent and I've never heard of that, can you explain?
kchin154
This! Do not supplement! Chedck out cluster feeding. This is what they do to keep milk suppl up.
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
Babies have growth spurts where they have enormous appetites. At 3 weeks, though, it's very easy to think you don't have enough milk 1/2
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
hungry or starving all the time the mother must not be producing enough milk, therefore they need to switch or supplement with formula. 3/?
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
However, it's aggressive, nonstop nursing that brings up the milk supply, within a day or two the feeding settles down and all is fine. 4/4
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
supply, especially because breastfeeding is not well understood by the general population. People think if the baby look like they're 2/?
ImgurianSlacker
Pay attention to how the nurses handle your baby, you will realize you don't have to be as careful with them as you think!
Randersuarus
They're little tanks! My husband was so scared when he first met our son
peridotite
Lol my dad was afraid to hold me because I "might break". The nurses were like, she's tougher than you!
netinh0
My biggest fear is holding a newborn. I've only done it once just because I was sitting in a big couch. And they placed him in my arms.
ImgurianSlacker
As long as you support their head and don't let it bobble around too much, you will he fine!
iFINALLYmadeAcomment
"But isn't that DANGEROUS?" Without even being inebriated, I'm just worried about rolling over and crushing my tiny human while sleeping.
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Nevermore9197
-1 for being a fucking retard
ExaltedFemShep
Only if you don't take the proper precautions. Check out Dr James McKinna. He's been studyj g cosleeping for 20+ years.
Wombatish
That's why it's not recommended. Also, no blankets allowed ruins it for many. It's just -more- dangerous if you smoke or do drugs.
Wombatish
Up to you to decide if a little danger is ok with you. Not like danger free life is possible, or precautions are worthless, but it is danger
weliveinaspaceshipdear
I coslept w/ both kids in cosleeper beds. No way I could roll over them. http://www.amazon.com/The-First-Years-Secure-Sleeper/dp/B00012CHFI
JerryF
Cats are good practice. The scratching works like a shock and eventually you are psychologically changed
Stormageddon21
2/2 aware that there is a tiny delicate person there next to you and I'm a 16st 6ft man
TimeFoDat
I felt the same way about the 4-week old kitten we got, I was paranoid of rolling on him (even smaller than a baby) but we got through it!
puffthemagicdracula
When co sleeping with first and now the second little human (1/2)
CaffeinatedNecromancer
Because I worried about hurting my baby, I didn't sleep deeply, but I SLEPT! She didn't wake screaming cause she'd whimper without waking up
justanotheryoungstermother
I co-slept w/ my girl the first 4 months. I never rolled over her. I'm a heavy sleeper, but any little sound she made could wake me right op
prettierandyoungerbutnotanybetteroff
My biggest concern is that adults sleep with soft things and blankets, and babies aren't supposed to. They can easily smother themselves.
dagg3r
I thought it was till I got a kitten, not the same thing but he slept in my arms and I woke any time I thought of moving. Ting as my hand to
xoverthirtyx
Nobody is saying whether it was mom or dad smothering but dads are less instinctually protective in this context than mom is.
heyjude168
Yes, there is risk. But remember, co-sleeping is not an American fad. Most of the world co-sleeps, have been doing so for hundreds of years.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
3. the baby never woke up in the middle of the night and if she woke up before me, she'd just stare at me because she didn't feel abandoned
lolzomg123
So, I've historically had sudden and violent re-positions when I'm tossing and turning... Like i get air time. (I'm awake, but it's 2 am.)
twominutesforhighsticking
My mom works for a hospital. The dangers are real, you do need to take precautions.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
1. i co-slept with a baby i was babysitting at nighttime at my place, while the mum was bartending. You don't roll over the baby just like
JustTakeItAtFaceValue
That and pushing them out of the bed by accident. I slept with stuffed animals most of my life and they always, ALWAYS end up on the floor.
Selisesq
It's like sleeping with a cat. When you wake up enough to adjust how you lay, you know they are there.
phairysquid
wake at the smallest sounds our babies make. This is not accurate with someone who has a substance issue or doesn't breastfeed.
MrsGroovy
My husbad could roll over on me mnd not notice. No way i was putting an infant in our bed.
Stormycakes
The guidelines say that you never put baby in the middle. Baby sleeps on the outside edge by the mother.
MrsGroovy
I guess it works well for some, but I was always very wary of bringing the baby in the bed at all. To each their own. :)
dagmuffin
I coslept with my baby, i had a babynest though, i was so afraid i would not hear her if something happend during the nigth, so i wanted 1
Blacole1985
This is exactly why co-sleepers have been invented b/c I sleep like a log, a giant heavy log.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
2. you generally don't roll over stuff in your sleep. Unless you have night terrors or something similar, then don't, but otherwise
CaffeinatedNecromancer
I co-slept with my daughter from almost day one, and because I was concerned about hurting her, I didn't sleep that deeply. It was (1/2)
ThisAccountThisOneRightHere
When you have a child you are more alert "When sober" even when asleep i know exactly where my son is. usually with his feet on my face.
Rara90
When I was a baby my mom worked night shift and slept during the day so she would sometimes put me in the bed w/her. She was nervous 1/2
Rara90
about rolling over onto me, but she never did. Also I slept with my cat every night for 15 years and I never rolled onto her.
DualSupernova
I fell asleep with my 4 week old in my chest, I just hugged her and woke up in the exact same position. Father instincts I guess
canwesoakthisin
Sharing a bed with your baby increases the chance of Sudden Unexplained Infant Death (SUID). Source: CDC and NICHD
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canwesoakthisin
i didn't say SIDS. i said SUID. accidental suffocation is a type of SUID, as is SIDS
amypondscum
For years co-sleeping suffocation was misdiagnosed as SIDS.
Donnicton
As a person who has - more than once - woken up because I've full on punched the wall in my sleep, there's no fucking way I'm doing it.
rudejohn
I wake up in the middle of the night, sometimes not even facing the direction I was when I fell asleep. 0% chance of co-sleeping for me.
Donnicton
Granted I haven't actually done that in years but it's the risk I'm not willing to take.
badgerpride
I was thinking about co sleeping because I wake up before I roll over but then you said that & I remembered that I punched a wall, sleeping
mijiza
Could never happen in our house either. My husband acts out his dreams, gets out of bed, kicks, yells, and has ripped all the 1/2
mijiza
bedding off the bed searching for turtles he dreamed were stuck in the sheets -_- Our bed is not a safe location for anyone.
POTUSBrown
I've woken up with bruises before, I move a lot!
srslydude
Susannah Wesley lost one of her children because the nurse did this. TBH tho, I think most of us would wake up if we rolled onto the baby.
Lulabel73
My mum had me in a cot right up against the bed so she could reach me without the fear of squashing.
DitaDarkLotus
I was worried about this to. But every time she moved or made a noise I was instantly awake. Those mommy instincts are strong
BugJuiceComesFromWhoYouAre
Yeah, op made it seem likes it's totally safe. It's not.
peridotite
Yeah, a guy I went to high school with smothered his baby while sleeping. It's really sad. On the other hand my parents co slept with me. :/
kurtist04
Co sleeping can increase the risk of SIDS. I would personally advise against it the first few months. After that the risk diminishes
SuperSunshineRainbow
SIDS actually decreases when room sharing, bed sharing or co sleeping because sleeping near baby helps to regulate breathing.
kurtist04
http://www.cjsids.org/resource-center/sids-statistics.html
kurtist04
https://www.nichd.nih.gov/sts/campaign/science/Pages/other.aspx
kurtist04
http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/sleep-naps-12/sids-prevention?page=2
kurtist04
Should I keep going? Or do I need to cite more sources confirming my statement?
kurtist04
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/sudden-infant-death-syndrome/basics/causes/con-20020269
kurtist04
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_infant_death_syndrome
kurtist04
http://www.cdc.gov/features/SidsAwarenessMonth/
SuperSunshineRainbow
SIDS actually decreases when room sharing, bed sharing or co sleeping because sleeping near baby helps to regulate breathing.
kurtist04
That's just not true. The risk for SIDS can be up to 40 times higher when the infant sleeps in an adult bed and goes up w/ more people.
HolyHolopov
My cat had only one kitten and it took to sleeping in my bed, right by my side. Never once rolled on it, and I'm a fidgety sleeper.
JPRiddles
Well kittens can get up and walk away if you're getting too close for comfort. Newborn babies can't even roll over.
HolyHolopov
It was four weeks, so not much. But what I meant is, I always felt it when I rolled too close to it and stopped, even asleep,
noyougofuckyourself
Exactly! This is instinctual...so we can sleep with our babies.
haahahahaahah
Not everyone, but yes some can, oh and go fuck yourself :)
bimpnottin
I have the same thing. My cat and I have been sleeping next to eachother for 5 years now, and I wake up when I get too close.
TheDukeOfAnkh
Quite a common cause of infant death actually...
glassONbread
It is extremely dangerous.i coslept with my lo for the first 6 months of her life and never had a problem but it's not for everyone
CadenTheGreat
Sleep with your kids in bed. Put the crib next to your bed and you can keep them close. But I've seen far to many new parents loose babies
yerd
Into the wild?
BadReactionToSimochi
Well if it's not a shiny...
CadenTheGreat
Due to something that is completely avoidable
hazanshu
I'm not even comfortable sleeping with my laptop.
Rara90
I have a full size bed and for years I slept on one side while my cat slept on the other w/ my laptop beside her. You get used to not moving
Baelstrom
This speaks to my soul.
KadzieONayl
To be fair, the only thing that's ever gotten damaged when I dozed off with my laptop in bed was me. Burns all over my thigh from the vents
rumandbass
babies are more flexible than laptops, and usually they scream if you roll over on them.
fallenange1
Not sure why I laughed and cringed at the same time...
rumandbass
You probably pictured a laptop screaming.
squibble
Hahaha! I did also and I can't stop laughing
quicktochuckle
I sit on things all the time and have no idea until I shift positions or stand up. WHAT IF I SLEEP ON MY BABY AND DON'T EVEN REALIZE?
GerhardRammelhausen
well the screams would wake you up eventually
ThePastmaster
*Presses a pillow over your face* Now scream and wake me up. ... Caaan't hear youuu.
TarynnosaurusRex
Not if it's done correctly...
zamirovski
oooooh you....
JesusToldMe
I sleep with a 5lb dog between my legs, at my ankle, sometimes on my pillow next to my head, every night for years now. Never had a problem
nanikaprofound
You can get 'baby boxes' (dont know real name) to keep the baby clear of your body, but still co-sleep. You can't roll over them.
Satsuz
Not with that attitude, you can't! ... Seriously though. I had a dog who crushed one of her pups once, so this is a really good idea.
pigstails
They're called a co-sleeper :)
pajamawolfie
Push your bed next to a wall, and put a laundry basket between you and the wall for the kid to sleep in. I'm gonna be the best mom ever.
Civikjm
Depends on how you set it up and if you're a heavy sleeper or not. Both my kids somehow survived. ;)
Tritan2
You won't unless your a hard-core, heavy sleeper.
phairysquid
As a cosleeping mother, your senses with a little one in the bed are crazy sensitive. Its actually safer to sleep nearer your child. We (1)
noyougofuckyourself
So true. Do these people roll over on their partners? No, because you know they are there. I loved Co sleeping.
msoctobereve
I agree! I can't believe how many comments are anti co sleep, hmm
noyougofuckyourself
So true. Do these people roll over on their partners? No, because you know they are there. I loved Co sleeping.
maniacalmustacherides
Not only do I roll over on my so, but when sleeping on high alert, I lash out, punch, seize, and spasm. So, yeah, co sleeping is not for me.
TowelRod
My SO sleep-elbowed our three month old the one and only time we tried cosleeping. Shit happens. Better to be safe than sorry imo.
TheyCallMeMrPigeonCuzImJustSoCoo
OP is wrong. Med student here: it's 100% dangerous. as soon as you fall asleep, you lose control, and a nightmare or even a peaceful 1/2
ExaltedFemShep
Med student you may be but I'll take my info from someone who has studied this for 20+ years thanks
TheyCallMeMrPigeonCuzImJustSoCoo
rollover will mean death and crushing for your little'un. NEVER SLEEP WITH YOUR BABY.
haahahahaahah
never say never, many parents cosleep and nothing happens many don't, if you want to risk it as a parent then you can, and vice versa
ExaltedFemShep
Med student you may be but I'll take my info from someone who has studied this for 20+ years thanks
iwearabunnysuitthecleanroomkindnottheplayboykind
Professor James J. McKenna at Notre Dame studies co-sleeping extensively: http://cosleeping.nd.edu/
ExaltedFemShep
This a thousand times this. I sleep with my babe because of him and it works so well for us.
Stormageddon21
I have 4 kids they all at some point as babies slept in our bed you'd be surprised how you can sleep soundly but your mind will still be 1/2
MissPammie
I don't cosleep simply because it does not work for me. I toss and turn like the ocean. Not safe for babies. But some people can.
YoureWaifuAShit
even if you don't think so, you're a lot more aware of the things that are going on around you while you're asleep than you think.
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
Fun fact! My former boss told me as long as you're not compromised, a mother will never roll over on her child. Instinct is a mutha fucka
amypondscum
My sister lost her 3 month old in a co-sleep situation. She must've been drunk, stoned, irresponsible, or didn't Google enough. -1 for 1/2
amypondscum
Dispensing bad information that could potentially harm someone.
svga
I was one of multiple kids who all slept in bed with the parents - I know many who sleep in bed with their parents - it's hard to explain,
svga
but when you go to sleep only thinking of the child's safety, you wake up about a dozen times when you THINK you heard/felt/smelled somethin
svga
that might be wrong - there is such a thing as good parenting and bad parenting, there are also good parents and bad parents.
amypondscum
-1 to OP. +1 to you ifinallymadeacomment.
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
there are ways around it, but co-sleeping cots look like the best option (imo) they attach to the side of the bed, so you can't roll onto
SuckitPUPPS
I did this with my crib - take a 3 in 1 crib and smooth it against the bed. Room enough for wipes and diapers so I never had to get up.
WesternPAgal
I used one with my baby and it was great - close but not in the same bed so it decreased the danger level :)
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
I'm planning on getting one if we manage to get pregnant again
amypondscum
A bassinet serves the same purpose and can be used all over the house.
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
it's different and not as easy to access the baby, this means baby is on same levelas parent
amypondscum
Our bassinet was same height as the bed and right next to the bed. For feedings and changing I had to get out of bed... So much work!
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
many women have babies that require a lot of feeding, it is a big difference if you have to lift a baby or not when you're sleep deprived
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
either the edge of it is the same height as the mattress, or its mattress, either way requires lifting a baby
amypondscum
And parenting is NOT easy... It takes work, if lazy assholes can't properly take care of their children, they shouldn't have them.
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
you're the asshole here, not realising that minimising effort means higher energy for parent and thus better parenting
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
you're criticising something which make it easier for close contact with baby (good parenting)
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
2/ baby, but you've got instant access, and the proximity
chiakat
My parents were purty poor and so they grabbed the piano bench and popped a dresser drawer on top and plopped me in it right beside the bed.
MissSpaceFace
My bed used to be an old door with legs and a mattress on top of it. I slept like a baby.
jenw
my first crib was also a drawer. My parents were only 16 and 17 when I was born.
pajamawolfie
Life Hacks ftw
shesaidgoodbyetotheground
My grandmother and her twin slept in the oven. The pilot light kept them warm. That was a long time ago in the rural Midwest though.
JPRiddles
Why didn't they just sell the piano and buy you a crib
bohemiancrabcity
That's what we call redneck engineering.
JesusToldMe
Or genius...
dmax12
Rednecks are amazing at Macgyvering the shit out of everything. Function over all else, unless ints a car in the lawn, that thing is gone
JesusToldMe
Geezus... I really am a redneck.
lurker14
I never actually had a crib. It was a laundry basket
Ryvan
My sister and I slept in a laundry basket too!
aviculae
My aunt did this when my father showed up at her doorstep overwhelmed with 2 day old me and then left to go drinking with her boyfriend.
DeadyBearr
Well you weren't her problem so...
aviculae
Oh, she didn't have a crib so she pulled out a drawer and stuffed it with towels and put me in it. She's my favorite relative and named me!
aviculae
My FATHER went drinking with my aunt's boyfriend, I can see how that wasn't clear. My aunt took care of me during his breakdown haha.
DeadyBearr
OH!!! Lol I'm glad you're Aunt was kind enough to give your dad a break.
KLin0223
I couldn't sleep with my baby in the bed because I was so scared. Like, my body literally would not allow me to sleep deep enough to do 1/2
KLin0223
any good. She's 3.5 now and I STILL can't sleep with her in my bed!
idigthefunnystuff
I slept sitting up in a recliner until my son was like six months. His dad refused to get up with him so I could get more sleep
truk77
Dadfail. Sleepy mommy == unhappy home.
TinyOctopus
Tiny Octopus has fond memories of falling asleep in his rocking recliner holding his daughters while they slept. He misses it.
kaszimera
Some people are wired to sleep lightly when potential danger is involved. I am one of them. I sleep like death until my baby is in my bed...
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UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
Please please don't build a new baby a pillow fort, that's just a smothering hazard. Read up on safe co-sleeping.
fenryka
Deleting to prevent problems. Good call.
fenryka
Sorry, pillow fort was not a good description. It's a padded vented wall thing designed for co-sleeping. I didn't think about confusion.
UnexpectedItemInBaggingArea
I know what you mean. I read pillow fort and immediately thought of Troy and Abed. Lots of fun but not suitable for infants ☺
SuckitPUPPS
I think about it like this - I've never rolled off the bed while sleeping. Your body is much more aware in sleep then we realize.
confanity
First night, a nurse warned me that co-sleeping could lead to me crushing the baby. I curled up in a C around him and we both slept fine.
TreeGoop
As a breastfeeding mama you are biologically synced to your nursing baby. And boobin Mama should always be between babe and any other person
TreeGoop
in the bed. Instead of spreading fear, spread knowledge because cosleeping happens! Visit drsears.com for safe guidelines :)
madwookie
This can be a concern, but you can negate the risk by proper planning.
mrsdmilburn
We did it successfully. The problem now is how to get them to leave the bed. LOL! Our 4 y.o. flat out said she doesn't want to.
truk77
Was so happy when we finally got our third kid out of the bed. Now if he would just friggin' potty train...
TransverseHomoclinicPoint
In India babies always co-sleep with parents, and death due to co-sleeping is a rarity.
Nevermore9197
Yeah, it doesn't happen THAT often /satire>
Tvalco
You know how rare a baby being crushed to death by a sleeping parent is in a crib by themselves? 0%, a "rarity" is a chance higher than 0%
SorryForBeingSoCanadianEh
Do you know how many parents prepare the cribs incorrectly, resulting in suffocating themselves? Quite a few. Works both ways.
Tvalco
Touché, thanks for the information.
Tvalco
By the way I believe this was the most correct situation I've ever used the word for word definition of touché which makes me happy.
itsbeginning
My cousin's husband was not inebriated when he rolled over in his sleep and suffocated his child
melveys
Not everyone can or should co-sleep with a baby. If you know you are a deep or restless sleeper then don't do it.
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
Oh my, how terrible! Im so sorry to hear that! A man could do that. A woman could not. Instinct.
dagg3r
I find this comment stupid. I'm a heavy sleeper and slept with my kitten and I strongly woke up any time I needed to move when he was thrre
colfish
Actually, men are as capable of experiencing changes as women during and after pregnancy.
TreeGoop
And he was not hormonally synced to that baby since he neither birthed said baby nor breastfed it.
TreeGoop
http://evolutionaryparenting.com/the-dos-and-donts-of-co-sleeping/
OmgOptimized
That doesn't sound like a thing that could help here, or even exists
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
Oh my. It does
DataLady
That is not a real thing. Please understand that is not a real thing.
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
You are exactly what's wrong with the american medical system, jesus fucking christ
imtheguyintecornerofpartieshangingwithhisintrovertfriends
What the fuck...that's a big line of bs right there.
ASquirrelNamedLloyd
Is not. The connection activates that instinct where the mother knows where the baby is, subconsciously. Look it up!
flight815down
That's ... That's not what hormones are
alpacahunter
What does that even mean?
ShovelingSunshine
I put a changing pad on the bed and put the kid there. Knew it would stop me from rolling further, but that's me. Know your limits.
DataLady
Yes - happens all the time. Don't do this without an apparatus designed to keep you from accidentally killing your kid.
SkoomaDeeler
Meh, they're easy to make. Don't worry about breaking one, you can just replace it in 9 months.
jellybeanoverdose
Lets ask a woman in labour just how easy it is.
iFINALLYmadeAcomment
They're so easy to make, I've made a few even when I was trying not to!
noyougofuckyourself
Do you roll over your partner? You know they are there and give them space. Same with tiny humams.
Theatime
My family was afraid sleeping with our baby would be risky if we rolled over. Not at all. When you sleep with a baby you're still as a stone
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
I slept on my back with pillows wedged under both sides so I never moved. Know your sleeping habits, I never rolled but I wasn't going to-
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
risk it. Co-sleeping saved my energy since I had a "high spirited" baby. Attachment Parenting works for his personality. :)
missladymondegreen
pillows + baby = no no!!
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
He never got near pillows, miss. His crib was a super firm matress with no fluff.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
The pillows under me never got near him either, as he was sleeping ontop of me with my arms keeping him secure. I sleep like a statue.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
Yeah, SIDS is a real thing, don't even chance it. Co-sleeping without any sort of barrier is just being a lazy parent, sorry, not sorry.
noyougofuckyourself
Many blame side in part in the fact people are sleeping AWAY from baby, not with
ExaltedFemShep
SIDS is actually much more common for babies in cribs. The rate is quite reduced for those who cosleep
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
Do you have numbers to support that? I'm curious.
ExaltedFemShep
http://cosleeping.nd.edu/ Dr McKenna has the stats on his website. What I like about him is he is about facts and doesn't push for one way 1
ExaltedFemShep
2 or the other. Just gives the info for people to make safe and informed decisions that is right for their family. Cosleeping happens to 3
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littlebonez
LOL, try to inform people who have the wrong info? Downvotes.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
There is very little evidence to support that yet.
amypondscum
I wish I could give you so many upvotes, I can only give you one.
TreeGoop
Ha! You mean SiDS as in previously termed "cot death" because it so frequently occurred in the cot...sleeping away from their Mother. Oooh
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
They don't call it "cot death" anymore because it's not an accurate term anymore, there are numerous potential causes of SIDS.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
Here's an article showing the risks http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sleep/cosleeping.html?tracking=P_RelatedArticle#
TreeGoop
How to do so safely:http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/sleep-problems/sleep-safety/cosleeping-safely
TreeGoop
http://evolutionaryparenting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Safe-Co-Sleeping-Pamphlet_v2.pdf
themexicanwave
Fucking bullshit. Co-slept on occasions. Was at zero risk of rolling on her. Very fucking far from a lazy patent you sanctimonious prick.
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sleep/cosleeping.html?tracking=P_RelatedArticle# see article about why it's too risky.
themexicanwave
Parenting is about a lot more than the books you read, online articles or the opinions of others. Do what's right by you and your baby only
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
Hey, if putting your baby at risk of death is right for you and your family, that's cool.
ExaltedFemShep
Lol. I'll take my info from people who've studied cosleeping for 20+ years over an article thanks
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
I'm curious how you think this article came to be...did it just pop out of thin air?
awardwinningbananaforscale
but isn't SIDS by definition death by unknown cause (but thought to be related to sleeping on their front), rather than death by smothering?
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
Here's an article to back my points: http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/sleep/cosleeping.html?tracking=P_RelatedArticle#
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
There are so many more potential causes of SIDs than just sleeping on their stomachs. Things like excessive bedding, decreased air flow 1/2
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
not just suffocating or smothering are potential causes. Like I said, we don't know exactly, but there is too much to lose. 2/3
ImLukeSkywalkerImHereToRescueYou
When you have a baby in PA, my state, you have to watch tons of videos about SIDS before they even let you leave the hospital.
kurtist04
On Autopsy SIDS looks exactly like suffocation. The exact cause can't be determined, but for whatever reason the child suffocates.
NotSureWhatUsernameToUse
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/cb/d1/d8/cbd1d807d79696d8f14e4b3d2f7a8973.jpg
InvestigationInPink
Baby idea <3
DeputyChiefJudgeFish
That is a genuinly great idea.
Manateechica
OMG Yes! I sleep wild. like..REALLY wild. I can control it but once I am in REM all bets are off. This might work. maybe.
MitchBeaucannon
Exactly.
Schmuck4hire
Holy shit, that's perfect!
Winterous
Soon as I read the text I was like "Well, why not just place a physical barrier preventing you from rolling onto the baby?", seems obvious.
Manateechica
Yea...except for wild sleepers. I take my fitted sheet off nightly. So I would just knock the barrier off the bed, along with the baby.
thefar
That thing was the best investment of all!
itsnotwhatyourmothersaidlastnighttrebek
my sister has this one, best thing ever
howlongareweabletomakeusernameswowthisisreallylongholycrap
Hot shit
insanitypurge
We had one of these as well. The best thing is there's no transition for the baby later. They've always been in their own bed.
beardedheathen
That is the responsible way to do it. Sleeping with the baby has many dangers. Suffocation, falling of the bed, strangulation. Don't do it
Manateechica
Exactly. Why chance it. I would still manage to smack the baby in the face still somehow though even with this.
notreallythatunpopularopinionrabbit
Well, I guess you didn't google it - part of safe cosleeping is a firm mattress, a rail and no bedding (not even a pillow).
beardedheathen
And picture had bedding and pillow. Most people don't know how to safely do it and this picture gives entirely the wrong idea
satanismybitch
Lol, we've got an app for that!
Dusseldwarf
That's good and all but what if you go all eat shit Bob Ross and wallop the baby in the gut?
UsePNGnotJPEG
For those confused:
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pancakesinthesky
ARE YOU FUCKING SORRY?!?
PoppinLochNessHopster
....What the fuck kind of dreams you having buddy?
KeatonX92
I folded a body pillow and put it on my bedside table because I dreamt it was a giant bag of chicken nuggets that kept getting in my way...
TristanMrH
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/understood_that_reference_avengers.gif
demonjester1515
Reference game strong
paronfesken
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/56/86/27/56862736db3e39302a7d02322347b2ef.jpg
DahPrincess
The answer to everything... but seriously though, I used to sleep walk and endanger myself and people near me so I tied hands and feet.
theholographicprinciple
Classic
IdiedoncePhoenix
I understood that reference
monsterhunter4lyfe
Is anyone gonna answer the question tho?
misfitcutie
I would think babies are easy to suffocate with sheets if rolling on top of it wasn't a problem
NoSleepTilBrooklyn
When you're sleeping with your baby, you're very aware of it, even in your sleep.
Manateechica
haha. I read the greentext for ref. But really...I am a thrasher. I would hope this would work. But maybe now.
TreeGoop
If you are a breastfeeding mother, not on any medications or inebriated in any way then no, you will not crush your baby.
Nevermore9197
Bullsh#t, you have no idea how much my wife kicks me in bed.
TreeGoop
I am speaking as a breastfeeding mother who has successfully not crushed 2 babies.. And with thousands of cosleepers in agreement with me...
TreeGoop
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/james-mckenna-co-sleeping-expert_b_7119782.html
TreeGoop
http://evolutionaryparenting.com/the-dos-and-donts-of-co-sleeping/
TreeGoop
I strongly believe that if she had squeezed you out of her body and proceeded to nourish you from her breast, this would not be the case
Nevermore9197
Ok, but what about the people who HAVE smothered their baby, People who aren't inebriated? This has to have happened.
TreeGoop
http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/health-concerns/sleep-problems/sleep-safety/cosleeping-safely
CadenTheGreat
As a person who worked on the trauma team at a children's hospital people roll over and smother their children far to often. Please do not
jellybeanoverdose
In my culture co-sleeping always happens. I've never heard of any deaths caused by it (locally) and I have paediatricians in the family.
steelerchief
This. Thank YOU!!!
TheSadCafe
My friend's 8 month old daughter died like this. It happens. If you do co-sleep, take every precaution you can. Your baby is worth it.
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
the best precaution is "dont fucking do it you shitbrain"
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
can you back that up with statistics and documents?
amypondscum
This, a million times, this.
EerieBarlow
Yeah a lot of this info seemed quite biased off "I DID IT!" That's great and all but the "if you're stoned, drunk etc..." Part was b.s.
dogdogdogdogdogdog
wife's friends baby died this way.
DumbShitIsMyTrigger
I hate the 'I did it and it was fine, therefore the thing is fine' mentality that a lot of humans have
melveys
For me it's that I experienced both sides. Once, I was so tired I fell asleep rocking my baby to sleep trying not to co-sleep. I jerked 1/2
melveys
awake and she fell to the floor. I felt horrible! I'd rather safely co-sleep than be so tired I passed out unsafely. You don't know until2/3
melveys
you have a colicky baby just how tired you can get. 3/3
CharmingAndSexyGentlemanStarshipCaptain
Funny thing is the last thing she post is to ignore the "Back in my day..." even when she posted her babysitting techniques here.
fallowfox
how about instead of telling parents not to co sleep, teach them how to co sleep safely? My mum co slept me and oh look im fucking alive
melveys
4 co-slept kids, 4 alive kids. You don't sleep deeply until they are out of your bed. I would wake up if they even shifted.
chickNlittle
I rode in the back of a pickup truck. Alive. My kids are in car seats.
visakanv
Survivor bias, we don't hear from the dead babies
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
The safest way to do it is to NOT. FUCKING. DO. IT.
rumandbass
This is one of those "know thyself" situations. If you know that you are a restless sleeper...don't co-sleep.
amypondscum
It is so much more than that.
Infinitum
[Citation needed]
KingoftheIntroverts
They are the citation, son.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
How the fuck is this person supposed to cite their personal experiences?
morrvard
They are an anomynous person on the internet... Citation please.
basira
90% of what you see on the internet is written by some anon which cannot be verified. OP is as anon as @CadenTheGreat for example.
SpoonOfDoom
If they're saying the truth, they're pretty much a primary source, so they'd be the one who others would cite.
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
1. that's what people are looking for. Verification of the truth. I don't doubt that some babies might have been smothered, but if he sees
morrvard
They are an anomynous person on the internet... Citation please.
flight815down
"Before you can post about anything online, please show me your college and high school transcripts as well as your resume"
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
2. isn't really trustworthy, is it?
SpoonOfDoom
Really depends on your definition of too often. 5 easily avoidable deaths is still too often, even if it's only 0,000005% of your(1)
IPutAHexOnYou4c6f7665206d65
2. 5 cases out of 100.000.000 couples, that isn't a 'far too often'. There is a need of statistics and research, just saying "way too often"
strcmdman
Isn't this considered one of the leading causes of SIDS?
melveys
Maybe you are thinking of suffocation. SIDS is unexplained infant death.
witchzenka
No, SIDS is actually less likely if you co-sleep.
witchzenka
http://www.parenting.com/article/ask-dr-sears-co-sleeping-a-sids-danger
haahahahaahah
The point of SIDS is that we really don't know and can only ASSUME. Which any rational person is the most dangerous mistake to make
littlebonez
No, SIDS has been linked to inner ear damage.
steelerchief
Ha!!
amypondscum
Sauce? I've never heard this..I'm curious.
littlebonez
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378378207001065
Saynine
As a person who co-slept with three tiny humans I can tell you that when sober you sleep protectively. Plus "ALL OF HUMAN FUCKING HISTORY"
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metroidmariomega
did you miss the part where they said "Plus "ALL OF HUMAN FUCKING HISTORY""?
TreeGoop
Look at other cultures. The majority cosleep successfully.
noyougofuckyourself
Thank you! Bunch of fucking fear mongers round here.
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
THERE'S A REASON THE INFANT MORTALITY RATE WAS SO FUCKING HIGH YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT
bimpnottin
I'm pretty sure only a tiny percentage of IMR was caused by co-sleeping. Just look up some history on IMR.
melveys
The U.S. has one of the lowest co sleeping rates but highest number of SIDS deaths. 93% of India co-sleeps and has one of the lowest.
xoverthirtyx
We (US) also, by law, douse everything made for kids in flame retardant chemicals that they're made to wear and sleep face down on.
kittiesatthedisco
You really took the time to reply, angrily, to nearly every comment on this thread. Passionate, I like that.
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
my wife is a nurse and sees entirely too many dead babies because parents thought they knew better than doctors and coslept with their baby
thatget1
it was actually a lot of infanticide. Read Our Babies Ourselves by Meridith Small. Lota scholarly research.
weeewoooweeewoooweeeewooooooooo
It was a bunch of different things but basically all of them added up to "a shitload of dead babies"