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Don't hate Caitlyn Jenner because she is trans. Hate Caitlyn Jenner because she is a shitty human being.
DmPunk
Buckle up buckaroo!
yuyufan43
I think you're reading too far into it... I've said my life is the worst because I ran out of toilet paper. I didn't mean it. Christ.
Arguile
People who want to be hateful will take anything they can get I guess. So annoying. People are taking nothing and just dragging too far.
BreakfastSandwich
oh my goodness, someone made a superficial comment without thinking of everyone else.... for shame
Textuality
Yeah, I'm pretty sure everyone has said "ugh, this is the worst" at some point or another about something fairly superficial.
tobiassolem
Yes, because no one ever uses hyperboles? Is this your first time on the Internet? This is literally the worst post on the FP ever.
SwaglortSeal
Oh yes, let's take a benign and light hearted comment and apply it to every extreme situation we can think of to make the speaker sound bad!
glitterapplesauce
Jesus, is that a C section scar?
Remne
Could be a mastectomy. Looks like what my mother had.
MajesticPunctuation
I think you mean hysterectomy. Mastectomy is removal of breasts, Hysto is removal of uterus and sometimes the other bits.
Remne
Yeah you're right. She has both so I get the two mixed up.
KittensNipplespearbuttsgifpiraterefrenceupvotedownvotedeadpool
I honestly don't give a fuck
sociallyawkwardtortoise
Then why comment?
KittensNipplespearbuttsgifpiraterefrenceupvotedownvotedeadpool
Because I cannnnnn~~~
ShitSampleFiend
because he doesnt give a fuck about Caitbruce but he does give a fuck that people know he doesnt give a fuck.
hylea
Caitbruce lol
buttockses
Caitlyn might not be talking about every woman ever. It might just be in relevance to herself.
AvocadosAtLaww
The hardest part of being a human being is being judged for every action and every word.
willowed
Love this.
BetterLuckyThanGood
Especially when you're a celebrity, this is magnified 10000 fold.
ac112
Fuck you, nurseintraining, because of that one comment you made on July the 7th, 1984 at 3:47 in the afternoon.
AvocadosAtLaww
I hate to say it, but I wasn't even born in the 1980's!
Neronix21
Hated Bruce, hate Caitlyn, not because of this no-context quote, but because Bruce becoming Caitlyn changes nothing about her personality.
rrunesforrook
There we go. Thank you.
the1theycallGreen
Didn't she kill someone?
Neronix21
NightFuryLee
ya drunk driving i think?
maymay1588
Buckle up, buckaroo!
LadyWidebottom
Not drunk, just tailgating with a jetski or something on the back, so couldn't stop in time with the extra weight being towed.
IanMcConnell
So context doesn't exist any more? K. What about sarcasm?
GiantRobotsRule
The hardest part about making a silly off-the-cuff remark, is that someone's gonna superimpose it over a bunch of serious, non-related pics.
Tauntasaurusrex
The hardest part about being famous and saying something light hearted to get a couple of giggles is that the Imgur will take it so serious.
AutoxLogic
So fucking true lol
SuwinTzi
This was from an interview with Buzzfeed, that asked her what is hardest part of being a woman. She had no other response.
cerealcomma
Maybe because it's Buzzfeed and she knows people watch those videos for the one liners, not for in-depth social commentary.
HelloMax
Caitlyn Jenner is very vocal about being AGAINST same sex marriage, but somehow is a figure for tolerance and equality. ??? Shitty human.
LogicalAbsurdities
TIL Caitlyn Jenner is Mrs. Garrison.
HelloMax
EXACTLY!!!
bmthrp
I saw this garbage come out of a (mtf) transphobic lesbian the other day. She unfriended me because I found fault with her
bmthrp
anti mtf-trans rhetoric. She's told me before she doesn't believe mtf are real people, but ftms are. It was disgusting. Though I can't say
bmthrp
I am terribly broken up about losing someone who's as small minded and ignorant as her. Lol. Esp when I posted the entire comment and she
bmthrp
went "You're lying that never happened."
Ivesaidtoomuchalready
I don't understand why people want to change their genitals but they are still people who can do whatever they want to feel right.
chocoki
I won't hate a person just because she has no clue.
RealVersionsOfStories
The hardest part about understanding a quote without context is knowing whether or not it was meant as a joke.
TopHatChicken
Context? Who fucking needs it, amirite?
malokingi
the context was that she was giving a speech for being awarded Glamour's Woman of the Year. I think in a situation like that, it's not (1/3)
malokingi
(3/3) source :http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/18/entertainment/caitlin-jenner-rose-mcgowan-criticism-feat/index.html
BygoneMocha
Speaking of context, Jeanne d'Arc was literally burned at the stake for what she chose to wear. They couldn't get her on heresy alone.
TopHatChicken
Interesting bit of trivia, thanks.
malokingi
(2/3) unreasonable to ask that she show a little more tact, considering what she represents for transgender rights
creedtac
Father of a famous family killed a woman with his car, went tranny to cover that up, just cause his dick got cut off he ia now a hero. Fin.
TopHatChicken
Don't particularly care about that, care more about the comment that's now being used by some people to justify an anti-circlejerk.
creedtac
Ah, my bad. Personally, i think this whole thing is retarded, him, his kids, the media, everybody.
TopHatChicken
Well no shit, once the spotlight's switched on then pretty much everyone (even the ones controlling the spotlight) becomes retarded.
ResidentDietitian
To be fair, he was famous way before any of this happened. He was/is one of the greatest decathletes and Olympians of all time.
albatross17
I imagine that the hardest part of being a woman is having to deal with extreme emotional reactions to casual jokes like this one. Holy shit
FlyingBox566
She said it as a joke not literally. Either way, she's not great lol
Tazmo523
What do you mean.. he was just voted woman of the year.
FlyingBox566
*she, and by "the hardest part" for her award that was a simple joke upon receival (is that a word?) of the award.
Jnoof
Now don't get me wrong I dislike her too for the way that she treats others but this was said as a joke and we can't act like we've never 1/
Jnoof
said anything such as "ugh I hate my life" when most of us are incredibly blessed. She's just so rude.
NAKSAYSTHEDUCK
she is not known to be a political person nor intelectual. but this isn't a reason to actually hate her. its just her 1st world problem.
NAKSAYSTHEDUCK
sorry for the missing l
KayDigs
I don't have space in my life for hating Caitlyn Jenner.
notta
Do you have a few minutes to love her?
foxfire1112
No kidding, where do you find the time to care man..
sonnydojo
So when people say "my life sucks" they should be vilified for not considering war orphans? Your point is stupid because everyone does it.
endexsu
Everyone doing it just makes it a more valid point. Everyone was racist in 1800s does that mean whining about racism was stupid? Lemming.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Worst analogy I've ever seen. The quote was a hyperbolic joke, it has nothing to do with people being legitimately racist. Wow.
endexsu
How so? You said pointing something out that is bad is stupid if everyone does it. Therefore its ok so long as everyone does it. Retard
AskingTheRealQuestions
Nope. This isn't bad, that's the whole point. It's a hyberbolic joke.
redjay12
Well if the context was the hardest thing about my experience being a woman that's fine but it sounds like she's claiming this is universal
LeglessPooch
I love how South Park has portrayed him/her this season. It's awesome
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ilovecrazymonkeys
I love how they make fun of how Bruce Jenner killed somebody with his car
MannyaCa
LeglessPooch
Calm down there Pussy Crusher Principle hahaha
MotherOfFlagons
canadianmaplesizzurp
The end of this week's episode was hilarious
LeglessPooch
As soon as she started driving I said out loud, "I hope she hits somebody". It wasn't a somebody, it was a crowd hahahaha
TwoBoobs
Her*
DavidBowiesBulgeInLabyrinth
Buckle up buckaroo!
mrsfunsocks
Caitlyn Jenner is stunning and brave
justlivinthedream
It's sad that stupid people are downvoting you because they don't understand the reference +1 (it's all I can do).
LeglessPooch
"Yeah, he looks like a donkey shit on his face" - Caitlyn
ChloePrice
Just say her, please. She sucks, she's awful, but let's focus and rip on her based on the bad shit she did, instead of her gender identity.
abesapien2000
I can get behind this. Don't deny the cause, but fuck her as a person.
LeglessPooch
This is why I find it hard to recognize the switch. An awful person doesn't deserve recognition for being a POS
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LeglessPooch
Haha "it". Well played
ndrwmxwll
you know what he wrote :)
LeglessPooch
Haha "it". Well played
GnomeDeGuerre
This is not fair. No one person should have to own all that suffering, she is allowed to talk about what she knows, her experience.
NegativePositivePrimitive
His
GnomeDeGuerre
Do you address people based on a chromosome-test or do you just look and then speak to and about them in a civil manner?
NegativePositivePrimitive
Biology made him a man. No socially taboo surgery will change that. Science
GnomeDeGuerre
You're silly. There's no way I'm going to believe that it's science or biology that motivates this distinction.
NegativePositivePrimitive
Yeah. Genetics have nothing to do with whether a person is a man or a woman.
endexsu
I adress them based on how they look. If they've done it well enough for me to call him a her out of reflex, i wouldnt know any different
sonnydojo
LANGUAGE HAS MORE THAN ONE USE AND IS NOT ALWAYS LITERAL. MORE AT 11.
Imgonnatipyouwell
Anyone else going to point out that she was obviously talking about herself and not all women everywhere for all time? Fucking idiots.
nonpondo
Literally what I was about to angrily type in, the hardest part about "being" she just changed she's sharing her personal experience
Imgonnatipyouwell
Like seriously...I don't feel strongly either way about any of this but I can at least use context clues.
IWishIWereNotAllergicToCats
Oh piss right off. She was just being fucking flippant, not making political commentary. Like you haven't said some shit like that before.
LumpWithaLeafHat
Trans person here: There are plenty of non-trans women who say shit like this. Being out-of-touch knows no gender.
sociallyawkwardtortoise
I said hate her because of the human she is, not gender
bmthrp
And I hate you because you're a whoo-whoo. Hating someone for comments is like hating someone for their skin colour.
lovinglife
Or, OR, we try to not hate people who are just oblivious. Hate evil, not dumbarses.We can really dislike them without wasting energy on hate
LumpWithaLeafHat
To be fair, implicit in your post is the idea that C. Jenner does not appreciate the tribulations of being a woman b/c she's trans.
FoolMeTwice
There are things in that post that easily could happen to a trans female. Other than birth they are all on the table.
skyyconnect
I need the stats. Me: mtf, 4 years mones, pre-op(because insurance is rough)
LumpWithaLeafHat
We're not baseball cards....
skyyconnect
But, I has a Caitlyn card and I was gonna offer it for your card. Jk, I try to make our predicament a joke to ease the pain of reality. :(
whatexactlyisthefunctionofarubberduck
Honestly this just sounds like a phrase she said part jokingly. I don't know what the context is but in an interview, it could be a joke
BigTruckRegularPenis
Just like the whole Tom Cruise thing. Taken way out of context and cause a lot of hate for him.
AccordMoanEye
It was part of the acceptance speech for the "woman of the year award".
TheUltimateChimera
KojiKnight
Exactly, cause no one has ever said a remark off the cuff, that under scrutiny would make them look like an asshole.
LetsGoWVU
It was from a speech at Woman of Year Awards. She's just that ignorant.
EllaMay
It was a joke. Watch the actual speech.
Erutanmi
It was about her personal new experience as a woman. This is out of context, it's not an opinion on the real struggles women face. Jesus.
antillesw
It was from a speech she gave accepting her woman of the year
kittensandpuppiesandsunshine
Well Caitlyn is an icon now. It's now on "her" to watch what she says, people are watching.
Sinia
The context makes it worse. She was getting an award for woman of the year.
ready2die666
context was asking for caitlyn personally, what has she found to be the hardest part about being a woman. not hardest thing for all women
PetaurusBreviceps
I agree. I don't care about Caitlin Jenner at all, but I can see it being said as a joke, flippantly and I think this is a bit unfair.
WhatAboutReefer
I'm guessing something like "Women are so strong, they can do anything. They can overcome anything. The hardest part about being a woman....
WhatAboutReefer
Is my dick"
ThePastor0fMuppets
It's also not a stretch to think that maybe it's the hardest part for Caitlin
mattbl
Seriously. People need to stfu and calm down. Celebrities are removed from reality, what a revelation.
DrewChainzzz
Context was at her first public app. As Kaitlyn on stage at an awards show it was her opener if I remember correctly.
Jutubya
I agree, her statement was taken out of contexts like most things on the internet lol
TandaK421
Fuck off.
Bloodandpheromones
Joke or not, it's a reflection of a privileged lifestyle more than it is a reflection of transgender. That whole family.
OptimusPantry
Yeah fair point
hotrodlady
The question was what does SHE find hardest abut being a woman. it wasn't supposed to reflect all women everywhere.
Oteneo
it was a joke. im not saying she's a great person but she has hopefully helped made it easier for other trans people to find acceptance
killerkadoogan
I'm sure it was a reference to shopping and clothes, albeit an easy way to pose negative context for women over time. both are kind of silly
rgzdev
Also most of these pic depict HUMAN problems, not women problems. Trying to imply that a trans will never suffer the horror of being a woman
Ilovethingsthatdostuff
She's made it harder for some of us.
LetsGoWVU
Uh, no. It was the speech she made at Glamour Magazine's Woman of the Year Awards. She's just a shit.
TchallaVII
yea but it was glamour magazine. Why are we mad that she said something superficial for an award presented by a superficial magazine?
TejelPejel
This is like when everyone was giving Trump crap for saying he'd marry his daughter, when that was taken way out of context.
TejelPejel
Note: this in no way makes me a Trump supporter. Please make a note of it.
DoctorPitt
Agree this is seems like its taking something innocent out of context and blowing it up
buttermyarse
I think it was the fact that she won woman of the year and said that. THAT!
ATAwarrior33
I was like "the hardest part... Am i right ladies" i believe
LetsGoWVU
Glamour Woman of the Year Awards ceremony speech. Google it...the whole thing is asinine.
CaptainShutTheFuckUp
Wait. The Glamour Woman speech want incisive, political and profound? Standards have dropped...
HighFive1
I feel like there was an implied [For me] that got lost in translation.
timteamtebow
I feel like the hardest part for Caitlyn is her penis, though.
HighFive1
You lost me at feeling Caitlyn's hard penis.
OptimusPantry
+1 for TRANSlation
HighFive1
accidental puns count right?
OptimusPantry
Always
buttcrackel
+1 for your username
semprebibliophile
While I appreciate her for bringing attention to trans rights, she is an incredibly superficial and petty person.
Fractoman
Also homophobic.
AnonsAndMinions
'She' also wants to identify as a 'he' now...literally already going back on everything. Fucking stupid.
Rayxor
Petty? Lets see you find women's clothing that has men's sizes.
ThatOnePolarBearOnTheLeft
Just go for the nearest approximation of the correct size then?
Rayxor
don't you hate when you make a joke and people reply as if you serious?
jsktrogdor
Some people forgot that trans or no, she's still a part of the Kardashian clan.
greenroom628
so, she fit in well with the kardassians?
TrulyUnpopularOpinions
It only seems like negative attention, from what I've observed. The echo chamber that surrounds her loves her, but not the common person.
MorbidGiraffe
Well, people expected far to much from someone who is tied to the Kardashians.
gayjenjen
RuPaul does a much better job bring light to the trans and drag community. Hell, even Eddie Izzard does a better job.
CharmingAndSexyGentlemanStarshipCaptain
I hate that controversy is just to make money.
straightcreepen
This- hate her because she is a bad person, hate her for her actions as bruce and as caitlyn but don't hate her for being trans.
HeadingWest
And don't shit on the trans comms by refusing to use the correct pronouns
CandyFlossHair
https://youtu.be/NLaNQ_hI4E8?t=23s
zeekaye
All of the "this."
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
She's never faced adversity in her life.
kultovbela
Agreed. And now the whole Kardashian thing makes more sense.
mackspower
You actually mean "him". Cosmetic surgery does not change gender.
Colvane
Which makes her the worst goddamn kind of person to bring attention to anything other than her being a shitbag
surfvvax
him* he*
MrPredator
I refuse to call that thing a "she." It disgusts me that Jenner even got that damn award.
surfvvax
Amen +1
JenniferGurnham
Could not agree more she seems so fake
PrettyBlondeGirlWithAnAssThatWontQuit
IMO, she has done NOTHING to advocate for the trans community or shed light on trans issues
thundercactus
Brave for going trans and enduring hurtful words...but has thousands of supporters. Is technically male, wins "woman of the year".
rubbarz
Shes a bitch. Its cool what she did for trans but that doesnt sugar coat everything else she has done.
TheRealMikeyRamone
She's also a hypocrite.
WashedOutWreckingBall
Found the liberal!
SamMan
She has been hanging around the Kardashians a very long time, it's bound to rub off.
ImTheReasonYourSocksAreAlwaysMissing
Honest question: in the fight for trans rights, what rights exactly do they not have already?
Annutty
no federal legal protection against workplace/housing/etc discrimination (in the US)...some states/cities have laws of their own tho
Krankenwagen606
She is also a guy so...
Bloody0815
http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/caitlyn-jenner-gif.gif
James700
he*
shallowdrown
No.
James700
yep
StupidDumbGuy
...she?
HeadingWest
Unless you're a transphobic asshole, yes "she"
FreelanceSpermDonor
http://memeshappen.com/media/created/OooOoooo-SomeoNes-in-trouble-meme-24657.jpg
FreelanceSpermDonor
FreelanceSpermDonor
zendemion
Nah, its just Bruce
CaitPlanchette
Fuck that bitch.
sr20silvia
he*
realwomenfightnaked
Like I said, she should be donating money or giving others the full money to go trans and fufill their dreams. Now THATS support
TheThingNoNotThatOne
That may be true but this doesn't prove it. It sounds more like a joke, and juxtaposing it to problems most women don't face is disingenious
doublekross
Most women don't face periods? Most women don't fear walking alone at night when a strange man is behind them? Most women don't give birth?
doublekross
There are a huge number of female victims of rape, domestic violence, assault, etc and many parts of the world where it is common for (1)
doublekross
women to have no rights. Speaking as if these things are rare is disingenuous. (2)
TheThingNoNotThatOne
things are just as serious as having periods. And domestic violence is so similar to giving birth, I'm shocked pregnancy is even legal 1.5/2
TheThingNoNotThatOne
I'm not fighting all of those images, but again 1) it's probably a joke and 2) there will always be someone who's situation is worse. 2/2
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Yes, I agree - so many women are burned at the stake, and it's fairly common across the world to get acid thrown in your face. And those 1/2
doublekross
It may not be common across the world, but it is certainly common in a few places. And nowhere did I say or even imply that domestic (1)
doublekross
was incorrect. (3)
doublekross
violence, periods, and giving birth are all the same, I was just pointing out that your statement ("problems that most women don't face")(2)
AFuckingBazooka
ChefHannibal
SHUT YOUR FUCKIN MOUTH LESLIE!!
DJMelloBeatz
Someone needs their privilege checked!
Coolasslife
Fuck ya bra, let's start a house to unite our tolerant views, and crush some pussy!
thyfangysock
She is also causing more harm to trans issues by making it seem a hell of a lot easier than it actually is.
forgotmyshit
More harm than what? Continued invisibility in the eye of the mainstream public? Misunderstandings can be resolved once the dialogue is open
Annutty
i agree with you, but theres the idea that getting people focused on trans stuff will motivate the religious right to oppose laws like HERO
thyfangysock
That's the idea most trans people want. To blend in as a woman or man. Having someone who is making a show of it for attention is horrible.
IridescentLotus
I think she's a bad representatives for the trans community though - she knows nothing about struggle compared to most
ThatOnePolarBearOnTheLeft
She's increased public awareness that being trans is a thing. That's pretty much it as far as good stuff she's done is concerned.
nelshai
I completely disagree with this. She started the process and stopped due to career. She is in the public spotlight and is thus insulted-
nelshai
(2) by thousands of people. She has her own struggle. It's not the same as a poor transwoman in America who can't afford hormones but I-
nelshai
(3) never had that struggle either since I'm from a socialist country that even provides surgery for free. Would you say I havent struggled?
IridescentLotus
point I ignored the problems the famous face - but she's still a jerk in my opinion plus yknow she killed a woman while driving recklessly
nelshai
She didn't kill someone; it was an accident. Courts found that to be case. But I agree shes a jerk and Id say media gives spotlight too much
DougForcett
She's also probably the only trans person not supporting gay marriage. It's weird, man. Like a real life Clayton Bigsby.
itsschpenny
Or Uncle Ruckus
Corbinator
So she's like that one black guy that likes the confederate flag!?
Zombiedude101
A real life Mr. Garrison.
anitabieror6
Thats MRS garrison!!!! ;)
Zombiedude101
Nah, Mr. Garrison again as of late.
roburtguy
Wonder if she's gonna divorce her wife.
why0so0serious
Can we really say she tho? He still has all his equipment.
MagicalMage
We're using pronouns based on gender identity not biological sex.
xxmirandapandaxx
Aren't they already?
MotherOfFlagons
+1
GrumpyWelshMan
She also supports republicans who are quite anti-LGBT as far as I'm aware
FishingForConversation
She doesn't support gay marriage? I thought that was a packaged deal?
RickyBobbyShakenBake
nope! Ellen interviewed her and then went on Howard Stern and talked about it. ch-check it out
Iridale
To be fair, some are retaliatorily anti-gay because gays are often transphobic.
ImalwayslatetotheStephenKingreferences
She doesn't want a package of any kind.
FishingForConversation
This content is worth more to me than the fake Internet points. Hell yeah
straightcreepen
Yea it's bizarre...also not sure if she clarified if she is still attracted to women or now men and whether she thought either would mean 1
IridescentLotus
She wants to be accepted - but screw accepting others who aren't her
Shabooya
Fun fact: the lgbt community actually has a hierarchy and trans people are on the bottom
YoMTVRapz
I heard the last community was trying to drop the t from the acronym...I could be wrong though.
nonpondo
I'm gonna need some sources, cited in APA, MLA, Boston and Chicago style format
Shabooya
Ooor 20 year old bisexual chick on imgur: the hierarchy.
flightlessfruit
and here I thought about half of the gay men were bottom. sorry, I'll show myself the door.
Shabooya
Lol
existanceneverends
Idk about that, I've started calling myself a semilesbian because lesbians would completely shut me down when I said bi or pan.
Shabooya
Um exactly. It goes gay men->lesbians->bisexual->transpeople
roitan
Down voted because you're an idiot.
Shabooya
Am not
straightcreepen
she is gay. Seems like gay people still kind of freak her out... so I don't really understand. 2
catamenia
I don't think she is gay in relation to her biological sex? Maybe I am wrong
eecheewamaa
Is she really gay though? She feels she was always meant to be a woman, and as a woman loving a man is a heterosexual thing to do.
eecheewamaa
I support equal marriage, so I certainly don't agree with her.
straightcreepen
Yes but I think she said she was still attracted to women, perhaps I am wrong- so then if she has always though she was a women then gay
IcedMatcha
There's 7.3 billion people on this earth, there's got to be at least one who doesn't
killerkadoogan
Metacomet
you'd think as a trans woman she'd be a little more sensitive to lgbtq issues.
redclaysmartass
That was Ellen's argument too, but Caitlyn still opposes it. smh.
hearthstoneaccount3
You can be trans and anti gay. Quite a lot of trans people are unhappy with being under the LGB umbrella and want seperation
SadCannibalNoises
You'd think as a woman (in a man's body for years) who has married 3 women, she'd be a little more sensitive to these issues.
hearthstoneaccount3
Mainly because Guy men kinda ruin things for the LBT+ people and makes getting rights harder
StonerCatJay
Especially since she's apparently a lesbian?
LumpWithaLeafHat
She is an embarrassment to the trans community. She has no tact & used her transition to divert attention from the fact she killed someone.
ArianSanders
Yet she is their poster child that everyone jumped on the band wagon to get behind.
hatefist
The media jumped on. I've never met anyone who actually likes Jenner. It's like the Starbucks cup thing, never met anyone who was mad.
ClairityDX
Every trans person I know thinks Caitlyn Jenner is disgusting. Frankly, I do too.
thriftydonkey
And that her family is a train wreck.
umpbumpfizz
Who did she kill? I was unaware of this.
LumpWithaLeafHat
Too long to type: google is your friend.
umpbumpfizz
Prawnhub gave me a very succinct answer below. I'm forced to believe you're just as lazy as I am.
LumpWithaLeafHat
And I'm forced to admit you're probably right haha.
GeneralZappBrannigan
Reckless driving, hit another vehocle
glitterapplesauce
It wasn't reckless driving, it was a complete accident. There was no evidence of being under the influence, speeding or distracted driving
Annutty
it was around a winding mountain pass or something, so there was bad visibility. or something. from what i read
LadyWidebottom
No, she was just following too closely to be able to stop in time, which you can be fined for in Australia. Tailgating is a dick move.