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One of the biggest ideas I think Libertarians realize
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ThreeTimeNinjaWorldChamp
I went to high school in Texas. We definitely had a very graphic sex-ed course that taught us about all kinds of contraception.
FailMidas
I read that as "offers free bitch control" and became seriously confused...
CanYouSmellWhatImCooking
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/66179_696704473734896_1367619089026845775_n.png
LowKeyTroll
40% drop in teen births!? What are you doing giving birth to teenagers in the first place!? 9 months, people! Shyt or get off the pot.
Blitzkrieg1939
And Texas has the 14th largest economy in the world and it's a state so...
Candymostdandy
Does median income influence the teenage pregnancy rates?
theycallmeR
Best form of birth control, gay sex.
ensvensktiger
Wanna remain a virgin until you're married? Two words; Butt sex!
LemonFanta
Totally not a virgin if you have anal sex. It's still sex.
ensvensktiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qdhWpdkPJY#t=51
Lifeangel
Grew up in Utah and part of it is having smart sex ed teachers. There is a loophole that they can answer any direct questions in class. 1/2
Lifeangel
So she had a "questions day", we were told to think of what we wanted to know, and the next day she did nothing but answer them.
AssamLaksa
I can almost hear John Oliver's voice with that Kermit gif.
JacquelinHigney18
Do wanna.
DrShrinker
Why not teach both?
mooseablethenok
Why do you think proper sex education doesn't?
cunninlinguist
Why teach abstinence?
servicenotavailable
Don't try to find logic in US politics.
Angel73237
Don't try to find logic in politics anywhere.
neobadbeat
*reckon that's not my business
thatsjustcake
It's proven time and time again, teaching abstinence is not effective. Let's get on a plan that works. Teens are gonna fuck.
LemonFanta
But also, they are going to make sweet, sweet love... Right?
AIComments
Maybe we could give them a ring, and have them do some sort of pledge thing, ya, I'm sure that would do the trick.
crowey92
can you please tell that to teenage me.....i think he missed something
HoleCamels
"Teens are gonna fuck" that gets my vote for quote of the year
mooseablethenok
Teaching abstinence isn't entirely uneffective, it's just equiping teens with knowledge so they can make an informed decision is moreso.
RenDriver
People will carry on listening to their hands and saying abstinence is god's way so it must be done that way.
McFarvo
Yeah, my wife and I were virgins until the honeymoon AFAIK, but I think having safe sex any time is best. Only go raw when you want kids
ColonelObvious
When you want kids, don't go for it raw, go get help
interficiabo
Dont know what part of texas they are talking about. My class was fairly extensive regarding all forms of birth control
umuziki
But not all of them are. Some of us are capable of not having sex. It's not that difficult actually.
GhostTasha
There are always exceptions, obviously. But if you're in a situation where you've got lots of opportunity, odds are you're gonna fuck.
whattasteslikepurple
Especially for the chronically single *sigh*
pistolshrimppumponmylapatalltimes
This is bullshit. I'm from Texas and they didn't teach us abstinence in school. How do you even get a "stat" like that? Fuckouttahere
PangaeaReunionTour
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/texas-ranks-fifth-teen-birth-rates-nation-5536.shtml#.U9KyFfldWSp
PangaeaReunionTour
Things have changed: "most Texas school districts teach abstinence-only sex education."
pistolshrimppumponmylapatalltimes
I got taught sex-ed in like 2002 and we learned contraception. Hard to believe it changed and went backwards.
PangaeaReunionTour
There was a major shift towards abstinence only ed in 2008-9 across the whole US, but it hit some states (like Texas) harder than others.
pistolshrimppumponmylapatalltimes
That's weird if true. Seemed like we were moving away from that kind of teaching. (1/2)
pistolshrimppumponmylapatalltimes
I learned sex ed in middle school from a female gym teacher who even taught us different positions. (2/2)
pistolshrimppumponmylapatalltimes
That's ass backwards. As crazy as it sounds, Texas is moving towards being more liberal. My city, Houston, even has a lesbian mayor (1/2)
PangaeaReunionTour
Yeah, I've heard about your mayor. She sounds pretty awesome. But still, most of Texas is not Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, etc.
ChiefMcKembie
[citation needed]
tarataqa
[citation]
Glumerlink
Nah, no citation needed. Even if this is wrong the idea is fundamentally correct. You teach people about sex and give them access to all(1)
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
[citation needed]
Glumerlink
Typically when someone is properly taught a subject they aren't going to make anywhere close to the level of mistakes as someone who wasn't
Glumerlink
related services, you end up with much lower abortion and pregnancy rates simply because they're not just going off of rumor and heresay.(2)
ChiefMcKembie
Even our best theories need to be tested. Citations are always important. Once a theory cannot be proven wrong, it is no longer science. [1]
Glumerlink
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2007/10/12/laws_impact_on_abortion_rate_doubted/
Glumerlink
http://www.academia.edu/3072895/Sex_Education_in_the_United_States
Glumerlink
You want more i can find more, there are hundreds of papers on this shit, at this point in time it's like proving the sky is blue.
ChiefMcKembie
I wasn't asking you for general citations. I was asking the OP to backup their stats. But thanks anyway.
Glumerlink
ahh, how far i was downvoted i figured you wanted general citations on the subject
ChiefMcKembie
[2] It's a peeve of mine when people throw around facts with no information about where their numbers came from. The devil is in the details
SilverShamrock
"Free"
MarquisDeSadeVII
Yes. Free.
GoBlue
So I guess that means that the companies that make the birth control are giving it away, huh?
kivalo
And the people manufacturing it aren't being paid a wage?
TastyBrainMeats
No, it means that an anonymous donor footed the bill for the program, so to the rest of Colorado, it was free.
MarquisDeSadeVII
That means the government is giving them away.
Haxbrygd
Ergo, taxpayers are giving it away. It's not free if the taxes you pay each year cover the cost. Stop saying it's free, because it's not.
GoBlue
That means the government is PAYING for it. And where does the government's money come from? Taxes. So we're still paying for it.
MarquisDeSadeVII
Nope. The amount of tax you pay compared to tax taken, compared to the percent of the budget being spent here, means you ain't paying.
FlatPlutoSociety
They were all paid for by one anonymous donor. http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/health/colorado-teen-pregnancy/
proxieme
It means that it's viewed as integral enough to the common good to be supported by taxpayers.
PEOPLEONTHISSITEARESTUPID
"Supported by taxpayers" is only "free" to about 50% of the country. The half that doesnt pay tax.
GoBlue
"supported by taxpayers" =/= free
kivalo
So they're subsidized. Not free.
FlatPlutoSociety
This wasn't taxpayer supported. It was funded ($23M) by an anonymous donor. So to the other 5,268,366 Coloradans, it was free.
SilverShamrock
Thanks for clearing that up
JoeBlows
Little did they know, repression campaign was cleverly disguised plot to birth more people to boost economy and increase voting power.
SugaShayn
After reading the comments, I think some people misread/misunderstood/misinterpreted this post.
Jotcop
I live in Texas and we were taught a lot more than abstinence. Check your facts. Provide your sources.
eskimo93
Thank you! I learned about condoms at my Texas high school.
MysteriousPineapple
This! I grew up in a primarily Hispanic & old school Catholic area of TX and we were definitely taught more than abstinence only
harlequinromance
I was taught in Angleton and we were told NOTHING about sex ed. We also had a daycare attached to our high school.
giantpikachu
My school had that too! Freaked me out when I moved here.
Kavian
DFW, and we had normal sex ed. STD pics, videos of babies splitting women open, etc.
KRAZYK817
Same here.. and these girls STILL go get knocked up. I wonder if OPs source accounts for the large number of people in TX vs places like CO
missing7
(2) pregnancy rate. So, it seems to be more a cultural issue, not an education issue.
Timexican
I'm sure it's mostly poverty mentality people that just don't give a fuck (you know what I mean) and see kids as an advantage monetarily
missing7
(1)Same here. I'm from a small rural Texas town and we learned plenty about birth control. Minorities here have a significantly higher teen
Daephyl
I grew up in Texas. Not once was sex even mentioned in high school. Or checkbooks. Or how to pay your bills. Or college applications.
FlyinHawaiian13
I visited Texas last month it's nowhere near as backwards as the internet tries to make it seem. Granted I only stayed around San Antonio.
chickenwingking
Depends on the school district. Some will let parents opt in for Sex Ed and some only teach abstinence.
Ohmyglobwhat
They got rid of sex ed classes after 2008, so if you were in highschool before that you received sex ed.
Atreefellinthepark
Rural Texas... don't do, it, you'll die and stuff.
wildething
Springtown TX sex ed '08: We were told abstinence was the only way because condoms broke so they were useless.
wildething
Granted, sex ed was taught by a coach.
newherewjy
Fort Worth here and I'd had sex-ed since 6th grade. I hate our internet reputation.
newherewjy
*I've
Jotcop
Eh, it's Texas. I had had is just as grammatically correct as I have had.
CliffWestern
Abstinence only is what the education is called. The sentence doesn't mean that texas only teaches abstinence only education. The wording is
CliffWestern
a bit confusing
mallorykeaton
DFW public school. graduated hs in 05. we were shown STD/birth pics but no contraceptive devices. "safe sex=no sex" right? um...no. biology.
Moirawr
I live in Texas too... it was 90% about STDs and one time we learned about condoms. Still severely lacking.
Moirawr
Do you disagree? Do you think its sufficient? Are you saying your experience was different and therefore I'm lying? Seriously people
Moirawr
Who are the people that just downvote anything? I'm telling my personal educational experience. nothing to downvote here.
thegreatheed
except your opinion, which you expressed along with your personal experience.
CliffWestern
don't worry bro we got your back
Moirawr
thank you... I know it's dumb to be bothered by it but sometimes I can't let go of the why
imsofreakintired
Yeah I grew up in Houston, and I got normal-ass Sex ed with horrifying STD pictures and explanations on how condoms work and should be used
azureraptor
Ass-sex ed...
thatwilldopig
Honest question - how long ago was that? And I suspect Houston varies from the rest of the state.
Timexican
Houston is by far the most religious of the big cities in TX it's pretty much opposite of Austin. Houston is big on education of all kinds.
giantpikachu
And this was 2010. Good thing I got my sex end from a couple different CA schools.
TheuserformerlyknownasDan
It doesn't I live outside of houston only difference is more people
giantpikachu
Graduated a houston;/Katy HS. Literally nothing about sex. Teacher told us not to do it and to read the chapter at home. No questions.
imsofreakintired
I moved to Houston in 94 and went to middle school and high school there starting then. And I don't disagree that it varies, and that (1/2)
imsofreakintired
some of the small, conservative towns can be out of whack, but I can honestly say that the bulk of us get the education. HOWEVER I know(2/3)
imsofreakintired
plenty of people that have disregarded the importance of condoms anyway because they are Catholic. (3/3)
mallorykeaton
DFW public school. graduated hs in 05. we were shown STD/birth pics but no contraceptive devices. "safe sex=no sex" right? um...no. biology.
YellowDrank
But the article sighted is a left newspaper that is just bashing republicans basically, but are trying act like they are reporting.
notme222
These aren't even comparable statistics. Colorado is a change between unspecified times, and Texas is a state ranking. Feels cherry-picked.
opad
http://thenationalcampaign.org/data/compare/1680/7787
TeenGirlSquad
Correlation does not equal causation. Was there a control for endogeneity? Econometrics can say anything if used with biased intent.
ilovemyboobs
This is cherry picking to but you might like it. I have 3 friends (sisters) 22,22,21. Each of them have 4 kids. All had their first kid at
ilovemyboobs
15 years old. Dropped out to be moms, all lost their baby daddies, all the baby daddies. Dead end jobs, but not on welfare somehow!
ilovemyboobs
oh, they are all from texas.
Pornegranate
Thought the same thing. Even if it's the right message, I hate manipulative tactics.
imtiredofthinkingupaccounts
cherry picking on Imgur for a political statement? NO WAY!?!?!
interficiabo
If you look it up the rate in texas fell almost as much(during 2012). Also, why pick the 5th highest state?
thisischarchar
Bc some of the other states offer more than abstinence programs. OP didn't want to mention that.
younotbigshit
Which is why Occupy Democrats is the water mark for the first image.
TBDM
I'm willing to bet they are but the people on imgur don't care so long as they can circle jerk
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
source: feels good man
Hammerhead777
Circle jerk people against contraception? Nothing wrong with that.
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
yes, and also the sky is blue and dogs bark. lets state some more obvious things
WhySoSiri
Ice cream is delicious.
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
thats really more subjective, some people may not like it. A for effort though
WhySoSiri
People who are lactose-intolerant don't count as people.
damadamagoyolur
CO initiated plan in '09, results are above. Went from 37 per 1k in '09 to 22 in 1k in 2013, TX has remained one of highest throughout.
damadamagoyolur
*CO achieved 40% according to 2014 stats.
IronChefKermit
Not to mention cultural differences and other factors account for much of the difference. Thanks for being rational and skeptical.
RuneKatashima
Isn't cultural difference the point?
sb719
I live in Colorado. Teen pregnancy is like a sport here.
Magnivore
For once in my life, I just may want to get into a sport.
uzerok
Which would lead to the conclusion that this kind of sport is way more popular in Texas. In 2011 teen birth rates were 62% higher than in CO
CountVorkosigan
All the cheerleaders are playing for keeps.
NotSoMuch
Go team!
forelle
Nobody really does it?
BellerophonM
But Texas is kicking your asses.
dreadpiratekhan
Your governor disagrees http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/07/1312240/-After-free-contraception-program-Colorado-teen-birth-rate-plummets
theicklestone
But what kind of sport? Is it like golf? Or more of curling metaphor?
saradactyl
Never challenge Texas in anything, except a battle of wits. (I'm allowed to say that, I'm a Texan)
tarataqa
As another Texan, challenge accepted!
MrPredator
Whatever team wins, the child loses.
ColonelObvious
Sounds like this team child gangbang game I take part in
PleaseClapNow
Haha, I live in Fremont County. There should be a little man stopping tourists to ask if they want to see a pregnancy freak show.
kmacdizzle
That's cute. -Mississippi
AhmedTheClockMaker
From Texas. My school had 1100 students (550 girls, assumed) of which 63 girls were pregnant at one time.
whattasteslikepurple
There was a girl in my graduating class that accepted her diploma in a wheel chair bc she was so pregnant, walking would induce labor.
AhmedTheClockMaker
We had quite a few at my graduation... Tis a sad thing.
GeeUknit
I grew up in the Netherlands and I am pretty sure there was not a single teen pregnancy in my highschool
AhmedTheClockMaker
That's crazy. Not even one?! Quite intriguing! QUITE.
thatwilldopig
Depending on where you live, of course. In the more educated areas (Front Range/Denver/i-70 corridor) it's less prevalent than other areas.
poopfeast421
Yeah, because Hispanic communities are known for their small families...
TheBalls
And being Catholic, they believe in birth control. I will be downvoted with you!
poopfeast421
Children downvote without an argument in response. I'm surprised any of my comments are in the positive. You are +2 so Religion < Race here
TheBalls
I meant they do not believe in birth control... Miss type
itssomething
I think it depends on the area. I mean, you don't live in all of Colorado, just one small part.
PictureHelper
I would watch that sport
JanitorsApprentice
hey there pedo bear, how's it goin?
tafatt1
More like Ephebo* bear.(ephebophilia)
LopsidedStapler
I'm scared to Google this. What is it?
sexycaramelldansengirl
why are you fucking scared to google it? it's just sexual interest in late adolescents
MoString
In Mississippi it is mandatory.
theartistformerlyknownaswheelchairjimmy
Hi, Mississippi here.. you guys are out of your league, we're 48th in births and 49th in pregnancies and have been for a while
DorthLous
And this is why statistics helps. To separate anecdotal evidence from data.
PaintedSlate
(1) http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0024658.g001&representation=PNG_L
PaintedSlate
(2) Based on this, only the highest level of abstinence education is likely worse off. We can't say the others aren't equivalent.
EGOT
I also live in Colorado. My observations concur with statistical evidence.
nipplesquirrelham
Shots fired.
bigdaddyfatpants
90% of statistics are wrong 20% of the time.
AIComments
A sport at which Texas is pounding Colorado nearly 2:1.
LearnedCoward
I'll bet they get pounded two to one.
relevanceisirrelevant
He he, pounding.
dipmlxlfla
I read this on my Peter Griffin voice.
Paranoidq
By the looks of it, you really need to step up your game! Texas is thrashing you.
Slepnair
Imagine what it's like elsewhere...
hands0me
Yeah in pueblo teens are always preg you're right
ShroomsofDoom
Oh and feel free to ignore the part where it substantially lowers future crime rates.
yoshi
how does kermit drink without getting the puppet wet? or where does the liquid go?
twilightvulpine
My guess it that the glass is actually sealed on top, so it wouldn't spill.
TastyBrainMeats
The glass has a false inside - the liquid is actually trapped in an empty space, like the joke glasses you may have seen as a kid.
JonesEnemaBagJones
What puppet? I only see Kermit.
AhmedTheClockMaker
I'm a Texas Conservative but I'm all for handing out condoms and birth control. Kids generally are too afraid to ask for these items.
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
i feel like most people generally think like you, but nobody (especially imgur) is willing to acknowledge that because "hurr durr murica"
LemonFanta
Most of us in general agree about most issues over all. The problem is that we have people screaming that we are on opposing sides. The...
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
this
AhmedTheClockMaker
Completely legitimate statement. I won't even go into all of it... But yes, I agree.
LemonFanta
truth is that we are so much more the same than different. And they want us to hate each other to keep control over us. Don't buy it!
TexasBaconMan
Please tell our elected officials that.
Lambtastic
there's a Louisiana Republican senator that advocates abstinence only sex ed. His 17 year old daughter is pregnant.
hoopyhoop
Is that the same fine family man that paid hookers to change his diaper or a different paragon of family values?
MercutiosMiniSkirt
Yeah i read this story recently, still will not change their minds about it unfortunately.
Lambtastic
if only we could send them this http://sarahsaysreadbooks.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/so-fucking-stupid.gif
MercutiosMiniSkirt
it will eventually end up like this
UnregisteredGuest
^ implying the political system isn't already like that
nzey
It's probably because they taught her how to use the devil's condoms
MakeItAGoodOne
One of the side effects of condom use is pregnancy.Seriously though, condoms aren't 100% effective, but ignorance is nearly 100% ineffective
Goku2012
I'm pretty sure ignorance is 100% ineffective as a contraceptive.
MakeItAGoodOne
If someone had only told her about abstinence...
iliketowearsuits
I shit you not I went to high school with that girl last year. Would NOT have expected that from her. Almost shat my pants when I found out
Leglesswonder
Abstinence only isn't sex ed...
PizzaDeliveryForICWiener
It's like a wilderness-survival-book that just says "Don't go into the wilderness".
Leglesswonder
Lmao!
youbredraptors
My ex is from Louisiana. She's 21 and had *no clue* on how sex worked. Yes, she was a virgin and still was when we broke up.
MisterAnderson
Well uh...His family's against birth control, right...So...Uh...They uhm...Practice what they preach? Fuck I'm trying to be charitable...
DescipleOfCthulu
Something happening to a republican senator that contradicts his policies? Haven't seen that dozens of times.
GunnerMiller
and for once a rent boy was not involved
ThatGuy112
Trust me, we're not happy about it either.
DeangeloVickers1
Boom, roasted
QuadrilateralEnix
ad hominem
Dokramuh
Not really ad hominem, just using the irony as an example of something that DOESN'T WORK.
YellowDrank
Wow a case study of one person, that must mean it is 100%.
PangaeaReunionTour
Did you miss the part about Texas, America's second most populous state?
ibeforeeexceptwhenitsweird
But unlike the rest of society, that family sees the child as a new life to be loved, not a disease to be ashamed of.That's how to handle it
Lambtastic
noone is sayin teenage pregnancy is a shameful disease It's abt educating people so they can make choices Being a parent @ 17 wouldnt b mine
howglorious
I don't recall him insinuating anything about shame. Just trying to point out hypocrisy, because his philosophy led to his teen's pregnancy
ibeforeeexceptwhenitsweird
Actually, the neglect of his philosophy led to the pregnancy. But it's not a simple issue, and no one is going to change minds on imgur.
OvercomerJoshua1
If you've done something you regret - what's important is what you do AFTERWARDS http://fullgrownministry.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/stumble/
firstmiddlelast
http://www.cvs.com/shop/product-detail/Plan-B-One-Step-Emergency-Contraceptive?skuId=876669
ThatITdude
Oh, oh, i saw this in 'Scandal'.
ensvensktiger
Remember Palin?
TheNamesTalcJamesTalcSpecialAntiCakedayAgent
Unfortunately...
thegreatandpowerfulkawa
Don't wanna.
ensvensktiger
pepperidge farm remembers
ImpactFPS
Vaguely
basicwhitelich
*shudders*
Goku2012
She could see Russia from her porch. Your argument is invalid.
Gigglesworth
As an Alaskan, I wish nobody did.
thebabycheeses
yep, and Sarah Palin herself was married after she was knocked up.
kmikl
There were shotguns at that weddin'
ensvensktiger
she had a daughter who got knocked up during the campaign
eijian
Remember her daughter's tv show?
thebabycheeses
oh yes, I am well aware.
cplchuck
Remember nailin' Palin?
kmikl
Fondly.
AnActualSJW
Lisa Ann*
Cturtley3
Do wanna.
thegreatandpowerfulkawa
I've got my eye on you.
ProCheeseburger
There was once a post that I replied saying If my kid is already doing the deed I'd rather them use protection. I was down votes and....
DisgruntledFerret
"I was down votes"? How many were you?
ProCheeseburger
down voted but thanks and have a good day... 0_o
DisgruntledFerret
No problem! And thanks, I hope you have a fine day too.
McFarvo
Christian here. We use contraceptives. No problemo. Carry on! :)
McFarvo
Abstinence is better IMHO, but if you're going to be "active," then best be safe as possibru
ProCheeseburger
... I received replies like "burn in hell" and "you are whats wrong with society"
bulpii
it has to do with the time of day you are posting. i noticed that morning posts are like that, when kids are in school, morning imgur ishell
avidatheist
Pfft. That's nothing. I've had the same opinion upvoted and downvoted at different points in the same thread.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
This must have not been on Imgur..
ProCheeseburger
It was a post about someone finding a condom wrapper in their kids room and yes it was on IMGUR.
DavosSeaworthTheOnionKnight
Damn...normally Imgur is pretty liberal, and it's the religious people who get down voted
NormalNorman
Yup. Normally
bulpii
it has to do with the time of day you are posting. i noticed that morning posts are like that, when kids are in school, morning imgur ishell
AttorneyAtLager
Imgur's all about corporal punishment and strict parenting. I've seen a lot of top posts about the decline of youth due to lack of spanking.
TheCripplingFearofPickingABadName
Are we trying to determine the beliefs of a website?
JeanLucPicard
I don't believe you. Comments like that reflect the sentiments of 80% of imgurians. You must have said something else controversial.
bulpii
Imgur changes depending on the time, Morning Imgur is pretty shitty and stuff like that happens, I've fucking Seen it!
bulpii
when kids are in school or people are working in the mornings, the crowd that is left tends to be the downvote fairy kind,
ProCheeseburger
Believe what you want. I lived it 0_o
Reemy420
I believe them, I once made a comment about Fox News misinforming people and got hammered. There is a strong conservative base on here.
bulpii
I have to ask you, was it a morning post?because whenever shit like that happens is usually whenkids are in school or people working morning
Reemy420
It was.
bulpii
see, I knew it... I fucking knew it. Morning imgur is pretty conservative and a lot of downvote fairies are on
notme222
Was it an unsubstantiated claim like the one you're making now?
Reemy420
To bad every poll and study conducted does actually support my claim.
Reemy420
Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/
notme222
Notice how the other guy gave a source, while you were "Nuh-uh, every thingle one! Allofum!"
TastyBrainMeats
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
notme222
Single question studies warrant suspicion for cherry-picking, (and Fox/MSNBC did the same but Fox got called out) but source is legit.Thanks
AttorneyAtLager
Imgur's all about corporal punishment and strict parenting. I've seen a lot of top posts about the decline of youth due to lack of spanking.
doxpara1337
My friend was told by a parent to smack/spank her unruly child because it's in the Bible. (I have no idea if the Bible supports spanking)
AttorneyAtLager
It does. "Whoever spares the rod hates their children." It also says to beat slaves, as long as you don't fuck up their teeth or eyes
ArtCartoonsandCandy
It supports discipline in general. Spare the rod, spoil the child, The rod was what a shepherd 1/2
doxpara1337
Ah, ok, I'm guessing the parents understood spanking as discipline rather than the out right hitting of a child?
ArtCartoonsandCandy
used to keep his sheep in check and safe. It also sometimes broke legs. In context of it being a metaphor I don't think it's literal...
RedMondays
People are not going to stop having sex. So, we either pay for education and contraception or abortions and welfare.
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RedMondays
@WestFool. I don't drive. Does that mean I shouldn't have to pay for your roads?
stillcleaning
It's so obvious its fucking painful.
sicsided
Why not both?
RedMondays
Point. Couldn't say it in one post. I'm not against abortions or welfare, just making the point that one reduces the need for the other.
Batonrougeisnotsobad
Isn't *that* the truth? Very succinctly put. Thank you!
IncredibleNurse
This
samthepea
This
IncredibleNurse
zero points? i shall be your champion
samthepea
*throws roses at you*
TheGhostofLionelHutz
Yep. Which is why if a person is truly pro-life, they should be a full supporter of (nearly) all forms of birth control.
HighrockTendales
yes, and then kill themselves.
iluvgrumpycat
Also, the body naturally (spontaneously) aborts 50% of fertilized eggs, BC actually LOWERS the amount of abortions, by preventing the fert.
McFarvo
Fo sho! There's a difference between preventing conception and terminating a pregnancy. Most birthcontrol is actually fertilization ctrl+1
McFarvo
hence the proper term "contraception"
ElecTech
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of "cure".
IKilledKennyAndIAmABastard
While I agree with your point it is a logical fallacy...
BeansButNotTheOneFromEvenStevens
How about I don't pay for something that is completely A) unnecessary for teenagers and B) optional. Other than that, I agree.
ohmymyimgur
Or both. Both is good.
GnomeDeGuerre
+ all added penalties and benefits.
lifeofellen
Fucking right!?! Thank you!!!!
eastbayrae
We pay for all of the above here.
rylecx
Yeah we can't really expect self control from people. Though ideallyi abstinence would work, this isn't an ideal world
DrCrumplebottom
People have sex. We were made to. It's ingrained in every instinct we have as a species. If the issue is purely money then you have a lot 1/
DrCrumplebottom
more pressing and fucked up expenditures to worry about other than people having sex. 2/2
rylecx
It is the species job to proliferate but our intelligence's job to understand resource management and being able to afford a child
DrCrumplebottom
I know I can't afford a child...that's why I responsibly take birth control. And I pay for health insurance, I think it's reasonable 1/
rylecx
There's also a difference between birth control and abortion
DrCrumplebottom
to expect it to cover the 1 medication I actually use. 2/
MarcusPlautusMolesworthus
Por que no los todos?
xxirish83x
words have never been truer
albatross17
implying that public school somehow eliminates welfare. Right now we're paying for both
albatross17
is that a controversial statement or something? It's not a choice between paying for education or welfare. We have to pay for both
Memes4Cheap
If we pay for abortions, we won't have to pay for welfare...
papadezelda
We could just get rid of abortions and welfare and it'll force people to act responsibly. You shouldn't get rewarded for being stupid.
whutserface
Which is why this comment of yours is in the negative.
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papadezelda
Yeah, I think people in America want a back up plan in case they do something stupid. You don't want a baby, don't have sex. It's easy.
DrCrumplebottom
Yep, fuck all you married people who don't want a child right now. You get to have a sexless marriage and call it responsibility.
papadezelda
I guess you haven't heard of contraceptives. Please don't be stupid.
DrCrumplebottom
That was actually my point. All the people saying "just don't have sex." They should be able to have all the sex they want because BC exists
papadezelda
I looked up the statistics a few years ago. Less than 1% of abortions are due to rape and incest. To me that's not a valid argument.
papadezelda
Sorry, I guess I didn't notice your sarcastic tone. LOL
EverythingISeeIsAJojosReference
I was very outspoken on education in high school. Health class was the worst one that I derailed.
ProfessorMosby
I'd rather pay for contraception...but that's none of my business
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ProfessorMosby
No I know haaha just quoting the joke.
MrPowerMetaller
Oh god, if they don't get education and contraception it'll be like London's 3rd and 4th zones.
Beegeezee505
Seriously. Why the fuck should the government pay for contraceptives? Buy your own fucking pills and shit.
BartlebyTheScrivener
1. Those who can't afford pills or condoms are going to have sex. Maybe they shouldn't, if they can't afford it, but they will. Then we have
BartlebyTheScrivener
2. children being born into those circumstances--if they couldn't afford BC or condoms, they aren't going to be able to afford children.
BartlebyTheScrivener
3. In one way or another, the burden will come to fall on other people. Not always, but often. Cut 'em off at the pass.
Xielothan
Or people pay for their own things.. Fuckin commies...
geab
So why am I stuck paying taxes for schools when I don't have kids?
Xielothan
you shouldn't have to..., thats my point
geab
and when no one is educated enough to help me run my business? Or even educated enough to use my products, then what?
Xielothan
that won"t happen *private schooling*
ColonelObvious
I can't describe the humongous level of facepalm the American "abstinence" thing causes in me as a European
DoctorWatchamacallit
*red state American abstinence thing. much of America agrees with you, like the state of Colorado (see original post).
Whydopeoplekeepcallingmethat
It causes a lot of us here in the States a humongous amount of facepalm as well.
DrCrumplebottom
As an American, I don't get it either. Sex is a completely natural thing. People invented the moral implications to control others.
Scutterbotch
I just find it fucking hilarious that their idea of preventing pregnancy is "dont have sex". So primitive when we live in a world with BC.
BowtieAskew
Well it is the only 100% effective form of BC. Though it's idiotic to not teach about other forms b/c people WILL have sex.
Scutterbotch
yes and not eating is the only 100% effective form of not becoming obese.
copingcabana
Or...and I'm just spitballing here, what about some sort of contest for resources among the children.
DoctorWatchamacallit
did you just advocate a birth control version of the hunger games?
Blergbot
AGREEMENT INTENSIFIES
jetlef
I say the first… we'd also spare some innocent, potential people. How do we know we're not killing someone as clever as Tesla?
BartlebyTheScrivener
Or as mean as Edison.
RedMondays
You could say that about all of the sperm, too. Does that mean you shouldn't orgasm? Also, it's not killing, it's termination.
itwasadarkandstormynight
Or, in Texas, we skip the first three and go directly to welfare.
IKONStudio
so much logic in two sentences... VERY well done!
UsingaLongRelativelyEasyToReadUsernameForaHigherChanceOfUpVotes
I hate the "If you don't want kids don't have sex attitude" Because Sex is great, and people are going to do it because it feels good.
CredibleHulk
Commenting because I'm going to steal your comment for future discussions.
mrfinoglio
Or just have breeder humans like in The Giver and give everyone else anti-hormone pills
MetalJesus
Abstinence-only education also typically doesn't cover things like STDs, so these kids also don't know how to avoid getting the clap.
MyfavoritewordsstartwiththeletterB
All they have to do is about giving high fives to avoid a clap. Duh.
Trollaux
Actually, I live in Texas, and in my high school sex ed class the teachers made a big point of talking about STD throughouly.
MyfavoritewordsstartwiththeletterB
Avoid* dammit!
proudfoot
It's easy, don't have sex until marriage.
MetalJesus
I went to Catholic school. I heard this more often than I wanted to. Wound up losing my virginity two months after getting to college.
Bittsy
I'm from OK and they only taught us about abstinence in 6th or 7th grade. They showed us gross pics of people with STDs and stuff. And 1/?
Bittsy
they had some guy come in with a story about his wife having AIDS or something. It wasn't something we could relate to as kids...and 2/?
Bittsy
didn't stick with most of us, tbh. I learned by research online, lots of kids knew NOTHING about sex in any form or manner...
Bittsy
We ended up having a girl pregnant in 9th grade, gave birth in 10th. And then just more and more each year after that.
thegreatheed
1. This is patently false, and also misleading. Misleading-The Texas law isn't "abstinence-only education" it's "abstinence-first education"
thegreatheed
2. False-STD's are absolutely TYPICALLY covered in Texas.
HocEstRidiculam
I think STD's were the only thing we ever covered in my HS health classes...
GeeUknit
Not just 'not covers'. Actively gives misinformation in hope to scare teens off sex, but really it scares them of off using birth control
LordEcneralc
You wouldn't put a plastic bag over your grandmothers, so why would you put on over your penis?!
LordEcneralc
I screwed this comment up so much lol. Should say grandmother's head.
Grooseland
Yeah, sounds like you're saying don't put a plastic bag over your grandmother's penis. xD
wildething
Most Texas schools do show horrifying STI pictures as a "scared straight" abstinence encouragment.
MetalJesus
Here's what I want to know: how effective is that?
wildething
There were a lot of teen parents in my high school.
Seerie
Went to a small town in texas, took a health class my jr. year. Literally told we were not mature enough to go over sex ed. Not even STIs
SpoonOfDoom
Yeah, it's almost like a...
MetalJesus
Beautiful.
DrCrumplebottom
MINION!!!
ashmenon
I don't know why I was expecting Shellder.
MyBubbles
I was on a peer sex education team in highschool. is incredible how much people don't know. We had to teach abstinence only. (1)
MyBubbles
But we talks about all the options, just in case. We weren't allowed to bring condoms. (2 and done)
thegreatheed
The law in Texas does NOT prevent you from discussing other methods it requires abstinence to be taught as the primary method.
Lordcerii
And apparently many Americans REALLY don't like abortions and welfare, so the choice should be clear...
DoctorWatchamacallit
5) "morally superior to everyone else" illusion. therefore, they won't ever shift on their viewpoints.
DoctorWatchamacallit
3) essentially used by these people as a way to feel morally superior to everyone else without them actually having to do anything.
DoctorWatchamacallit
first off, don't confuse Red state americans with all americans. most of us are quite fine with both. second, a lot of the red state
FFPatrick
Carefully, your liberal elitism is showing. We don't all like losing half of our hard earned paychecks
Lordcerii
I was making a joke to make fun of those "red state amerians" as you call them because they are ridiculous. I know they are a minority.
DoctorWatchamacallit
That's fine. but a lot of people don't realize that and yo
DoctorWatchamacallit
the way your post was worded it sounded like you didn't realize that.
Lordcerii
Yeah, but that's probably more imgur's character limit's fault than mine. 140 is way too little to express oneself clearly.
DoctorWatchamacallit
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Lordcerii
So it's your responsibility as an individual to prevent other people from making their own INDIVIDUAL and well-educated choices?
DoctorWatchamacallit
2) people are anti abortion not because of rational thinking or economic consequence, but because it is a religious reason, and religion is
arminillo
Yes, everyone who is antiabortion is for religious reasons. Fantastic generalization.
Atharaphelun
Notice how he used "a lot", not "everyone".
hihellogoodbye
I hate the fact that those people are obsessed with a blob of cells inside someone, but once it's born, don't care at all to help support it
Jthechef
seems to have a strange correlation with pro death penalty too
carcusgod
I think most Pro-Life people are really Pro-Birth. There are plenty of people that will die without help, but no one's picketing for them.
aclarko
and these people masquerade as "pro-life"
SquirrellyWhirly
They don't give a fuck about life, just their own agenda.
accipiter
They're not pro-life, they're pro-birth. If they were pro-life they would support the survival of the infant and mother, too.
gribblet
*Don't care to have the gov't mandate taxes to support it. Community/church/nonprofit/neightborly assistance is what they want. Not gov't.
cliathwolf
But they don't mind the gov't making it really hard for private clinics to provide services.
McFarvo
^true for a lot of pro-life folks. They adopt. They give to charity. They volunteer. +1
Cystman
If we could count on everyone to do what was right by their fellow man, we wouldn't have nearly the problems we do.
hihellogoodbye
I know, why can't everyone care about everyone?
Cystman
Except that no one can count on that happening and the communities that need it most can spare the least themselves.
Cystman
Instead we get politicians&businessmen cherrypicking doctrine to claim Godliness for $/polls while ignoring what it means to live in Christ.
gribblet
Amen to that. Seriously. It's a shame.
dickpuns
It's like 12 weeks until the first brain activity anyway.
dickpuns
essentially, a fetus is a plant until then.
DonaldTrumpsPubicCombover
or bacteria
dickpuns
it's a bit smarter than that :P
admiralquackers
Week 6 Heart beat regularly thus brain activity The heart needs the brain to work http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002398.htm
dickpuns
no it doesn't. Heartbeat comes before brain.
admiralquackers
Week 5: The Brain starts to function. http://main.zerotothree.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ter_key_brainFAQ#fetus
Felman
For some people, it's much longer than that.
excepttheoneswhoaredead
huehuehue
youbredraptors
This is such an amazingly subtle burn. +1 for you
Cystman
To be fair, disagreements on when a person gets to be protected as a person is a serious issue that gets glazed over on the 'Choice' side- 1
Cystman
- there are many measures to use, and on the more orthodox side of that certain things are really horrific to contemplate. Which has- 2/?
Cystman
-some people listening to and backing politicians who are otherwise completely reprehensible/terrible/ungodly. In turn, their hypocrisy- 3/?
CountessVonFingerbang
Fun fact: Until around 1915 (if I'm remembering correctly), the Catholic church didn't consider it a child until it moved in the womb.
TheRealCJ
More fun fact: A child until it's first month after birth in the Old Testament isn't considered a life... it's the father's property.
Liquidbullets
source on this?
twilightvulpine
Then they bitch about the homeless and welfare recipients.
Pencillin
That infant is just a lazy mooching welfare queen!
Kimbongpal
Most Pro-lifers only support unborn people. Once you're out, they support death penalties and wars.
gribblet
True that, but birth control (the pill) is extremely cheap -- $3-10/month (that's a 1-2 days of lunch $!), and clinics are available (1/2)
gribblet
(2/2) in NC, at least, and we're a right-leaning state. I'm all for making b/c easily accessible, but I've got my own to pay for. Cheers!
shadykit
Depends on the pill. There's only one that's between $3-10 a month that I know of, that that one made me crazy. The one that was good (1/2)
gribblet
That's interesting, w/all the generic versions of the pill. Swing by a local (public) university for a CARE Package - those are 100% free :)
shadykit
Mine sure didn't. They sent me away with a prescription to be filled elsewhere and the $100 one was also generic. Ah well, past is past now.
shadykit
for ME was upwards of $100 a month, and as a college student with no insurance, I was SOL to get it. Asking for the insurance I pay (2/3)
shadykit
for to cover the medications I'd like to take for my own personal reasons is not asking for a handout. (3/3)
wildething
It's not so easy in Texas since they cut funding to Planned Parenthood. :(
gribblet
Planned Parenthood is sketchy. http://nafcclinics.org/clinics/search
Daephyl
Unless you can't have hormones. Then it's extremely expensive.
bookwyrm17
Not everyone can be on the pill, and not everyone can be on generic versions of the pill which are the cheaper ones, unfortunately...
gribblet
? Pharmacies will fill generic if you ask. Or, here's an alternative solution for everyone: $5 box of condoms. WAY cheaper than a baby!
bookwyrm17
No - body chemistry means sometimes generics can have nasty side effects. Sometimes the only pill that works is one of the expensive ones.
bookwyrm17
It can be a pain in the ass to find a type that works for you.
Topcat123
2012 teen birthrates dropped nationwide. Colorado -56% Texas -43% http://thenationalcampaign.org/data/compare/1698
younotbigshit
CyberAkuma
It's almost as if no side in any debate is above skewing the facts for their own personal agenda...
Topcat123
Yeah I think sometimes we're more interested in proving how right we are that we forget to look for the truth.
DickInAToaster
And Texas has a fuckton more Mexicans than Colorado. And they have babies left and right.
tarataqa
As a Tex-Mexican, true dat.
bernatchezloveslamp
As a Mexican and a father of a 3 year old (I'm 22) I agree
BronYAurStomp53
Thank you for trying to show the whole picture, as opposed to using selective statistics to make your point.
PMMeTitsForPuns
I realised the other day that that song title has the word "Brony" in it.
BronYAurStomp53
Dammit man
LordXeras
coincidentally that logical fallacy is called "The Texas Sharpshooter"
damadamagoyolur
40% drop is stat from 2014. TX remains 4th highest birth rate state, nationwide drops doesn't change that.
BronYAurStomp53
But it says nothing about the drop Texas may have had, or where Colorado is on the list...Colorado could be 1, 2 or 3. (1/2)
BronYAurStomp53
I'm not saying CO is, I'm just saying selective use of stats can be very misleading.
damadamagoyolur
This is very easy to look up. They are comparing apples to apples, but most people here are quick to dismiss this as liberal propaganda.
LadyBith
No they are comparing oranges to apples. The two statistics, while related (fruit), are not the same thing (apples/oranges).
alextyrian
Compared to peak birthrate, so yeah, birthrate dropped in every state.
kmikl
Unfortunately, you're wrong: http://thenationalcampaign.org/data/state/texas The teen birth rate only dropped 5% from 2010.
Topcat123
Right next to it says 43% from 1991. It all depends on what data you look at. How would I be lying if i'm just citing the website?
kmikl
I didn't say you're lying, did I? No I didn't.
kmikl
Your link didn't state the difference from 1991 (SQL errors) but this one points it out, that said, it's still 5th highest in teen pregnancy
arbogast
There you go, trying to use facts and figures when obviously this should be about dumb republicans and stupid Texans.
PaperCl1p
Glad to see someone is awake
Topcat123
Hey......don't mess with Texas.
arbogast
Except the heat, that could be messed with. Downward, any way.
Topcat123
Yeah, it's the same here in Alabama. Hot and very humid.
WhySoSiri
Yes please do
weirdcalculator
Mostly because free birth control is available nationwide now. Those stats are amazing. Thanks for sharing.
redsalmon
Thank you ACA! Free birth control was among the first provisions to kick in for ObamaCare.
WhySoSiri
Just to be clear, this data started in '91. So...
Topcat123
I know right? I was amazed at how much it's dropped and that it's dropped nationwide.
DescipleOfCthulu
Yeah, especially since free contraception is now available nationwide. Strange coincidence. Also strange that places with abstinence (1/2)
DescipleOfCthulu
only education still have more teenage pregnancy than other places. It's like it doesn't work as well or something. (2/2)
Topcat123
I say promote both and let people pick which one is right for them. Knowledge is power and freedom to choose is wonderful.
DescipleOfCthulu
So teach normal sex ed. They can choose to abstain even when they know the facts about it. Knowing more about sex doesn't cause sex.
Snooj
Legit question: Are these statistics per capita? Because with Texas' population, it's likely to have more of anything than any other state.
MrJohnsonAndTheJuiceCrew
shhh, dont try to use your logic! just bash on texas like the rest of the hivemind!
damadamagoyolur
Convenient to blame disagreement on a hivemind. Stats used are pop%, the question is illogical.
RunsOnPizza
Everything's bigger in Texas.
booksandrubberbands
Texan here: Sad truth: even if it IS just because we're bigger, they DO really teach "abstinence only" and that has a huge effect. It's sad.
Trimbl
Bullshit. I'm Texan and I had sex ed three times before I turned 18.
booksandrubberbands
But was that se ed or "lets try to convince you not to ever have sex"? because that's what I got.
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Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
I'm Catholic and I'm pretty sure I only have 1 sibling, unless there was some hospital mix up I was unaware of
albatross17
low per capita income and low levels of education= litter of kids.
albatross17
https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies
damadamagoyolur
True, but TX has 38% hispanic pop, CO 23%, not enough of a disparity to explain the large gap.
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
Are you talking about citizens? Texas has a shitload of non-citizen hispanics.
damadamagoyolur
They will not be counted with census birth statistics, and I'm sure CO has the same.
TheChinamanIsNotTheIssue
The parents will not be counted; their children will. That's the whole point. It skews the birthrate numbers.
mawleen
Are you serious? 38% of 26.45 mil is 10 mil. CO population is 5.3 mil. Hispanics double the CO pop, wtf disparity do you need?
damadamagoyolur
The large gap in percentages of teenage birth rates.... not total population.
tarataqa
"quinceanera" is spanish for "bang my 15 yr old daughter"
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mooseablethenok
Anecdotes aren't evidence, champ.
opad
http://thenationalcampaign.org/data/compare/1680/7787 can look by race, white non hispanic still way more then Massachsetts
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opad
which are you saying is 1 percent higher? what measure for which states?
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AIComments
A percentage drop can only by equivalent to a per capita drop and a rate indicates per capita.
Snooj
Okay, the "rate" statistics weren't clear. I still feel like a lot of facts are missing.
AIComments
http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/teen-birth-rate-per-1000/
Snooj
That can't be right. It puts Maine down near the bottom. If I go elsewhere, I'll see even *more* teen pregnancy?
damadamagoyolur
Unless I'm missing sarcasm I think you might be reading the info wrong. Lower/bottom = less teen births. Top of list = more.
colacp
No, OP is mixing facts that aren't apples to apples.
AIComments
Its pretty simple, studies show that abstinence only sex ed leads to 50% higher birth rates than comprehensive sex ed. Additionally,
AIComments
easy access to reliable birth control reduces unintended pregnancies and abortion.
colacp
Texas isn't an abstinence only state. OP is spreading false information from the start.
Trimbl
Seriously I live in Texas and I took sex ed 3 different times!