Rebuilt My Back Stairs

Sep 20, 2021 1:14 AM

jfdonohoe

Views

150742

Likes

1916

Dislikes

28

So here are my slanty shanty back steps. They were built in 1950 and Im pretty sure they havent been touched since beyond covering up problems with layers and layers of paint.

Side view of the steps. You can see on the posts that I started using paint stripper to see what I am dealing with.

The steps were in obvious disrepair since we moved in and was on our enormous to-do list. But what made this project our new priority was we got new concrete installed so for a while the slab at the bottom of the stairs was unsupported by surrounding concrete. I was a dummy and didn't stop myself or my family from using the stairs while it was unsupported which Im sure added to the slab moving to become out of level and the stairs started pulling away from the house.

As i started pulling the stairs apart I uncovered lots of rot.

So two-part epoxy wood filler to the rescue! Treated the rot with a hardener first and then slathered the putty on. This stuff is supposed to be stronger than wood.

This notch in the post that received the joist is totally rotted.

I dug out all the rot and sprayed it down with hardener...

then i routed the notch flat to receive a patch

I used a piece of a old growth wood to patch the notch. Plenty of glue and a super tight fit...

Im confident this is now a strong post again.

With the posts repaired and plumb i got the space ready to start rebuilding.

I was planning on taking all my design cues from the previous stairs (it wasnt a bad design, just rotted). Like the platform at the top of the stairs is on a slight grade to allow water runoff.

I did decide to not notch the posts and opted to attached the landing to the posts with lag screws.

It cannot be overstated how much I suck at miter cuts.

My main reason for using the old stairs as the basis for all my design decisions was the stringers. The math for these are insane so I figured I would be safe using an old stringer as a template and adjusting the last riser to accommodate the slope of the bottom pad.

I was wrong. The rise of each step in the old stringers were all over the place. I ended up using the old measurements as a starting point and evened them out.

Math is hard.

I installed trim and facia using PVC boards for rot resistance.

And this is Josie. She is a good girl.

Heres the finished stairs, all the blocking in, all the gaps filled in, all painted ready for the treads.

Taking inspiration from an episode of This Old House, I opted to use Ipe 5/4 hardwood boards. Not cheap (even before covid) but I wanted them to look nice.

At this point I completely lost my mind and started making an insane number of mistakes in my measurements. My solution was just glue the cutoffs back on, sand them and keep moving.

It doesn't look the best but at this point i was just about moving forward.

Heres another mistake. Theres a reason why when you make a framing measurement, you make a mark to indicate on which side of your measurement to place the board. Here is an example of what it looks like when you place one end of your board on the wrong side of a measurement.

Luckily it was an easy fix.

For the Ipe boards I used a system that countersinks the screw holes and then cover the screws with plugs. After the glue dries, I used a Japanese hand saw to trim back the proud plugs and then sanded everything.

I ended up finishing the Ipe with a marine-grade SPAR urethane. I could have gone with IPE oil but I wanted to try this. If it fails too soon I can always sand it back and use something else.

It will never look this good again (until i refinish it)

And here's the final stairs after I installed a pre-fab railing system. I went with pre-fab because this project was running long and I needed to get it done.

Unfortunately, i was wrong again. Besides having very little ability to make corrections has I went, I had to make multiple online orders to get the parts I needed which dragged out the timeline.

But I like the end results. A good upgrade for the house.

good job

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good post.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Very nice! But how did you fasten the big "AFTER" to the stairs?

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

How many packs of ramen noodles did you end up using

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Looks great, but I wish ipe wasn't so hyped. Plenty of fsc certified, native hardwoods can get the job done.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Neat, now do mine

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Beautiful job! Looks great.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Way to post the finished product at the top @op

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I thought it was before and after because I didn't read it right away and was like, why would you do that to your stairs?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Good shit! I’d love to know what @AlphaStructural thinks!

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Josie is indeed a good girl

4 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

The only people who are good at miters are pros who have done them ten thousand times and newbies that only think they are good at them.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That’s beautiful. Norm and Tom would be proud.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yup it’s a strong post… huhuhuh get it?cuz it’s a post about your posts

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

What? No demonstration from Josie showing us that they work?! But seriously, great work Op, looks fantastic.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Upvote for: 1) beautiful work 2) using the right dang order for a DIY post! 3) masterful story frames (+stair pun).

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Seen a couple disappointing outcomes with that spar urethane myself, but I hope it works in your climate. Nice build!

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Damn, I'd just tell everyone to use the front door from now on with a nice finish like that!

4 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

thanks!

4 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Not that I know what I'm talking about, but maybe add some grit or nonslip stuff for winter icing?

4 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Those stairs will be extremely slippery when wet. OP will probably figure that out on the first rain the stairs see

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

That was my thought at first glance. Looks great but man that'll be slippery with any moisture present.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I love how you are teaching people from your mistakes. I just learned from those be being yelled at by my dad how I "measured it wrong". 1/2

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Best way to mark up in my opinion is right on "wall" on the side that touches the wall. Free standing stairs need three marks, L, R, Door.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

But can you make a pallet out of an old coffee table?

4 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

I think he’s going to turn it into a camper.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Aw yeah, I wanna step on that.

4 years ago | Likes 128 Dislikes 0

I bet many wants that for their rear entrance.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

nice posts

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Came back just to upvote.. man I'm slow

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Updoot for Josie but is precipitation rare where you are? Where I live those steps (though beautiful!) are an ER trip waiting to happen 1/

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Not dogging the craftsmanship- they’re gorgeous. Just curious about the region.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Guessing somewhere with lots of snow by height of the entry door. Looks great, but I would also want some grippy strips on them.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Gordon lightfoot advises your friends to use caution in the late evening on these.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

where is that building inspescter guy who posts, i wanna know if this is up to code.

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It is not up to code. The supporting stringers need to be supported underneath not just screwed I to 4x4 the only thing hold it up on 1/2

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The edges of the 4x4s is the sheer strength of the screws. While not bad in this application it's not up to code

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I think you did a wonderful job. And I appreciate you cutting away the rotted wood to and not throwing out the whole posts. Waste not, want

4 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Not. That's how a proper repair is done imo. ✔ It shows your skill, knowledge, and (I don't know if intentional) but a respect for not

4 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Wanting to clutter the earth with unneeded garbage. I'm a fan of only doing away with necessary things.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

@AlphaStructural what are your thoughts on the wood rot filler on a support beam like this?

4 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.qq

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

doooooot

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

You’re killing us @AlphaStructural

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

4 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

4 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

.

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Forgive my ignorance, but why save that rotten wood? It looks like standard 4x4

4 years ago | Likes 86 Dislikes 0

Outstanding job tho. I had to do the same to my back stairs, and getting everything lined up and redoing the math was a pain in the butt!

4 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Was about to ask that. But I don't have any qualifications in that line of work whatsoever.

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

If you look at the Pic that is stepped back it looks like they support an over hang and op didn't want to deal/know how to temp brace it

4 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Ah good call.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Have you not seen the price of wood lately?

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

Yea,it's normal prices. Have you?

4 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

They have not made it here, they're still higher than normal.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Still way cheaper than a pile of hardener and epoxy plus the time cost of patching

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah I’m confused, where’s the

4 years ago | Likes 57 Dislikes 0

Came back to upvote

4 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

noodles? ramen?? my friend needs explaining

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I'm with you on that. wood hardener and epoxy are expensive, a nice 4x4 is much less cost and time. even with pandemic prices.

4 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 0

I’m more worried the quality of the wood than the price.

4 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

It supports something above. That added complexity, at height, is a challenge. I would have reinforced with some sisters on the low end.

4 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Also looks to me that the lower ends are cast into concrete, so that would be a pain as well.

4 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Sisters would look bad tho.

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So would the entire stairway collapsing

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Right, which is why I wouldn't do either. Lol

4 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0