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abuseapostrophesandgetdownvoted
My grandmother was born in 1913, and passersby of a stranded car used to yell, “Get a horse!”
eugene51
I don't mock electric cars, I mock the lack of infrastructure for those who can't get on-street charging.
SmokyDoggg
I'm the opposite I'm excited for the Lightning and the prospect of Walmart installing EV Fast chargers
SmokyDoggg
If Wal-Mart puts 40 min. fast chargers in every one of their parking lots it's going to be great for the adoption of Electric Vehicles.
certainlynotaserialkiller
the texas power grid would implode into a black hole if that happend
certainlynotaserialkiller
just to be absolutely clear: i have no problem with texas getting swallowed up into a black hole.
mirrorz
Martin Eberhard who started Tesla has another company making electric car batteries now. (i.e. Not Musky)
makeiteasykeepitsleazy
For which car companies?
mirrorz
All of them
reffotsirk666
What's the name? Any success?
gtotherizzle
Car lots are still closed on Sundays in Indiana because of an old law that only allowed horse buggy sales on Sunday because the buggy 1/
gtotherizzle
Industry was afraid of being pushed out of the marketplace 2/2
Euchre
Except that's not true at all - it goes back to the idea of not haggling money on Sunday, because 'sinful'. You couldn't buy a lot of things
Euchre
Only recently did Indiana begin allowing alcohol sales on Sundays, because people can't buy ahead to get through just one day a week.
gtotherizzle
I know....lived here all my life....but have had the pleasure of traveling
RideTheStimutacs
I'm in favor of taking this bad faith arguing douchewagon off of the meme format entirely.
cosonfused
the irony is that early cars were often electric too
Gaudion
Can confirm this as I work in one of Ford's Trans factories.
MortyMaxwell
Electric with gasoline backup makes a lot more sense for the next decade or so while the infrastructure improves
ElbowDeepInYou
Generalisations aren't useful. I could drive and charge anywhere in my country in an EV. Other countries you'd need a hybrid.
Crawmak
I simply think a lot of them look silly and some people are just a bit too pompous about owning one. That said, I would adore having my own.
gearsmith
Crawmak
GTA 3 low LOD distance-model lookin ass truck
gearsmith
Weirdest vehicle I've ever seen, and I used to own an Aztek.
Djones06236
We have the technology to build massive particle colliders and a huge IR telescope. Those who just dismiss technology are shortsighted.
SometimesIFeelLikeAGenius
Both have their drawbacks. But public transportation should replace (if not supplement) any 6 lane highway.
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Heyitsdubblea
Fuck Crowder. This is the one meme I hope goes belly up. Like the sentiment of them hate giving that guy visibility
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
In 1917, 38% of the cars on US roads were electric, then Ford and 'Big Oil' killed them. Imagine EVs with 100 years more development.
ispendtomuchtimehere
why don't you think of all the mom and pop oil companies..?
dennydorko
I love this reply.
MrWobblyHead
A Tesla running out of power isn't much different to a ICE running out of fuel. Both are mismanagement by the owner. 1/2
MrWobblyHead
And I say this as someone who ran out of fuel a week ago because I trusted the estimated remaining milage rather playing it safe. 2/2
Squeakybumcheeks
Well that is true but with a petrol car you can carry a spare can if you run out..
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
With an electric you could unfold a solar panel and pull miles out of thin air. Slowly, but surely. Not an option with gas.
prfesser
VERY slowly. Energy of 2 m^2 of solar cells in bright sunlight for 5-6 hr is roughly 1 kWh--enough to drive about 2-3 miles.
reffotsirk666
Where most cars are it's easy to find electricity.
Squeakybumcheeks
Where i live,Rural,Unless you have your own charging point you are pretty much fucked,Nearest public one is a 15 mile and there is only two.
Squeakybumcheeks
Best carry a portable generator until they implement a better infrastructure, Cos the uk is shit at the moment.
Maitrify
Who the hell mocks electric cars? The only thing that's preventing me from getting one is a price tag
GadenKerensky
Plenty. There's a disgusting amount of people that feel threatened by the mere *idea* of 'eco friendly' products. To the point people with >
GadenKerensky
lifted gas guzzlers will park in front of EV charging stations just to be a dick.
mimomisu
A lot of Europeans do because of EU pushing the limits on gas cars, hiking the prices for instance. I don't really care that much
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Rural/northern communities, where climate and infrastructure make electric cars significantly less viable.
zenoshogun
In northern communities you have block heater outlets everywhere already which are useful for at least slow charging.
jrredneck
Even then the batteries cant hold the same charge in the cold vs wamer temps.
zenoshogun
True, though the figures i've seen is 20%-35% less range, not great but not terrible unless your daily drive uses more than 50% of range.
jrredneck
I am in a rural/northern community. They suck in the winter. They are too expensive. I love my sports car. But when evs become cheaper...
jrredneck
Charging becomes more accessable, and they equal/out perform ICE I will gladly get one. But they will never drive me. Not giving my wheel up
gearsmith
When I can get one that will last the several hundred km I do a day, and the battery lasts over 5 years, I'll consider one.
BlargKing
People who don't live in places where they're practical yet the gubberment wants to force everyone to have one.
Euchre
Where can't you do your daily commute in under 400 miles? That's the kind of range a Tesla, and most passenger car EVs get. You can be 100%
Euchre
charged overnight and have your FULL range every day. Most of the poor rural folks around me prefer to buy gas once a week, and they must
Euchre
budget their travel so they can make their commute, which isn't the full range of the vehicle.
BlargKing
It's not just the daily commute. If you don't own your own home you're basically shafted for charging an EV, especially where I live.
gearsmith
Not everyone can afford a Tesla. Let's go with a cheaper option, the Nissan Leaf. At 149 miles It wouldn't last a full workday for me.
BlargKing
Not to mention the Leaf is just an electric Versa that costs twice as much and is a poorer user experience.
gearsmith
Add to that the cost of replacing the batteries every 5 years due to degradation, unless you want your range to keep dropping.
FeedTheRats
They said the same thing about electric light
FeedTheRats
Oh and don’t forget your teacher saying “you’re not gonna just walk around with a calculator in your pocket”
Aksuuuh
I don't get why people are so against EVs. Electricity is a lot cheaper than gasoline and it's much better for the environment.
ArkoneAxon
Because people tend to get emotionally invested in a position. Being anti-EV isn't just "I disagree with what will help the environment," >
ArkoneAxon
it's "I support my truck which was marketed to me using American symbolism, and you're all a bunch of dirty commies who hate America!"
UncommonSense101
The problem is that some people think EV's are the solution to the climate crisis, when in reality they're a part of the problem.
BlargKing
They're twice as expensive as a basic ICE vehicle and unless you own a home they're impractical to keep charged up.
MechanusIncarnate
Electric is generally good, but not always. For example, from a coal plant, through transmission loss, is probably no better than gasoline.
someuser
They're cleaner even when powered by coal, but I suspect the payback period is a little longer
JonnyTightlips
Sure, that's literally worse case scenario and even then it's on par. Nowhere gets it's electricity 100% from coal.
drspangle
Probably still better? A power plant can be much more efficient and capture emissions, compared to a tiny engine in a car
Sauroctonus
And an electric car doesn't pollute the immediate area around it, tons of people have respitory diseases from local car pollution.
drspangle
Much easier to shut down one coal plant, and replace it with renewables, than to replace a million cars too!
Sauroctonus
Exactly.
Dav1dSnyder
Electric cars are better than gas guzzlers but (1/2)
Dav1dSnyder
The problem with electric cars is that they take press and funding away from public transportation and walk ability improvements for cities.
RealFakeUsername
Electric cars aren't strictly better. As range increases, the danger of that amount of energy storage really rises.
ElbowDeepInYou
LifePo4 has solved alot of those issues already.
AutoFox
So, gasoline is terrifying then, isn't it?
RealFakeUsername
We need a more diversified family of centralised long distance high quality public transport, and safer short distance personal transport
RealFakeUsername
Lower energy storage EVs can fill the latter, but I think focusing on making EVs work long distance will have safety concerns.
LeftRightThere
woozle
"hahhaha look at this weirdo not wanting to use whale oil"
wookiepoodoo
IKR!? "If we change our broken system then so many people will be out of these obsolete jobs!" Let them! Who's lamenting farriers today?
woozle
pure gathering= collecting dog shit for tanning. Won't someone please think of the pure gatherers
CrispyNougat
Whale oil beef hooked
Voric13
Whale oil was used in a LOT of cars in the transmission until the 80s.
atmac
We’re the transmissions better for it or not?
scabbydog666
Worked like a whale oiled machine
WesternKentuckyOutlaw
Incredible comment
InTangier
"If god wanted us to go that fast we would have wheels instead of feet"
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Electric cars aren't enough. We need public transit.
gearsmith
Public transit isn't enough. We need accessible and convenient public transit.
nitrojunky24
I'm going to actually have disagree with your analogy a little bit people have attempted to make electric cars a thing since the car was 1/2
nitrojunky24
Invented there sceptical because the promise has been been made by many for decades and have always fallen short.
robindawilliams
I mean, Electric cars have always done well at specific tasks but people want massive range and power to drive 30mph 9mi to work every day.
robindawilliams
Ford used to say "if you ask people what they want, they'd say a faster horse" when he was trying to mass produce cars. People hated that. .
robindawilliams
It required fuel and maintenance and had to go to specific places to get them. Now we have the same thing, infrastructure takes time.
AuthenticEunuchHorn
Millions do more than 9 miles/30 MPH and can only afford one vehicle. It has to be a fucking Swiss Army vehicle, not an overblown scooter.
robindawilliams
Oh for sure. The 80% that commute short distances will get captured, then the long range, then the haulers. It'll take a decade or more.
gearsmith
I spend half my work day driving around from site to site. Last monday, more like 3/4 of the day. An EV wouldn't last one day for me.
Malloon
Electric cars are the future of cars, but I dearly hope not the future standard of mobility.
leodavinci1
I've been on various mass transit systems across the U.S. Did not like any. Mass transit is simply cattle cars for humans.
Malloon
Public transit in North America tends to be extremely shitty. I can advise looking up public transit in places that give it an actual /1
Malloon
budget and competent design: https://youtu.be/MnyeRlMsTgI I personally primarily use public transit (and walk and cycle) in one of those /2
Malloon
places and and am very happy not to have to drive - I can count the number of times I've been stuck in traffic in the past decade on /3
Malloon
one hand, plus trains and trams let me do things while traveling. /4
epicurusaquinas
"Human beings are not able to go more than 40 mph. If you do, the air will be sucked out of your lungs and you will asphyxiate."
lizcicle19
And the uterus will simply fly out of your body, apparently
Vloudimestre
Don't get me started on train tunnels. Death traps I tell you.
kruug
“Human flight is 100 years away” then 5 days later, the Wright brothers flew at Kittyhawk.
ButtTrumpett
North Carolina represent ??
Sarpedan
wasnt it 9 days?
madeejit
And the prediction was "between 1 and 10 million years".
IHateApostrophes
When I was a kid I remember hearing that self driving cars were only five years away. Well it's been twenty years.
kruug
2009, Google had their self-driving cars.
IHateApostrophes
Okay but I don't.
kruug
Tesla has offered it for quite some time. Ford as well. Maybe not 100% autonomous, but enough to classify as “self-driving”.
Slugsie
Pretty sure that before the steam locomotive was developed they thought if you went over 30mph you'd inflate and go pop.
Euchre
Considering horses can gallop faster than that, how did they not know that was wrong?
atomright2718
They had not figured out how to take the governors off the horses yet.
EaNasirIsABastard
They thought the problem was you would be in a sealed tube, people at the front would pop, people at the back would suffocate. But tbf >
EaNasirIsABastard
a horse that can go above 30 is unusual, and would not hold that pace for an hour. A train would be mind-blowing to people back then.
PectorialMuscles
Imagine the surprise when these same people saw jets and space rockets.
Euchre
Uh, 35mph is average for horses at full gallop, some have been measured as high as 55mph.
OuchMouse
The problem isn’t the technology it’s the concept. We simply cannot continue to build our cities around car centric infrastructure. Also,
gearsmith
While true, a large portion of humanity does not reside in or near cities. EVs are great for a little bit of driving, and horrible for rural
gastanuke
THIS.
natio22
100% this. Also the problem is the governments are pushing the technology before it's complete, cars sold themselves, EVs not so much.
datycookies
Driving a car means dragging a quarter ton of steel with you wherever you go. Most of the energy is used to move the car, not the occupants.
webbyroller
Motorbikes for all
khora
Unlike land mines.
Bobalobadingdong
Yes! EVs are better than gas-cars, but a diesel bus is better than 30 EVs (& their battery production)
IAmASentientWaffle
Sure, but you're aware there's BEV buses as well right?
GriffinMann41
Sure but that's not the point they're trying to make. It's not about gas v ev. It's about the fact that car-centric infrastructure 1/
IAmASentientWaffle
Their comment literally mentioned gas vs. EV twice, so it sure seems it was about that!
GriffinMann41
No. They said "A bus is still better than 30 cars" because it *is*. Buses and mass-transit are by far more efficient than single-person cars
GriffinMann41
is *incredibly* wasteful and *incredibly* inefficient at moving masses of people
BlargKing
I'll still take it over riding a bus with the stupid smelly general public.
OuchMouse
the materials to make batteries and etc still cause a lot issues. We have to move past “car only” paradigm and invest in public transport
DrKriegersClone
Theoretically, great. In practice, most people who can afford an alternative probably don't want to be shoulder-to-shoulder with 1/
DrKriegersClone
2/ strangers in an environment where COVID, apparently, monkeypox are going to be the new normal. Not to mention public transit has rampant
DrKriegersClone
3/ security problems with mentally ill people doing unsanitary things and occasionally attacking strangers at random.
Theory89
Also I'm curious as to the cost of generating the power to charge them. If its a place burning coal is it actually better?
khora
Most, but not all, battery issues are already solved or BS to begin with.
keys79
It’s not just that. What about someone like me who lives 12 hrs away from my mom, brother and sister. My wife and kids and I make several /1
keys79
road trips every year to visit them. I’m not going to do that in an electric car. How long will the charge last? How long does it take /2
keys79
to recharge? I can’t wait hours in the middle of a road trip that already takes all day. And I can’t leave my family stranded in the /3
keys79
of nowhere. Gasoline is simply more reliable for long road trips. I’d love an electric car but the technology isn’t there yet for me /4
ToastedVanilla
In Japan we ride the shinkansen. Faster and more convenient than a car. Would be nice if the US had proper railroads between states.
keys79
Yeah, but we travel with a tremendous amount of stuff. Kids, you know? And when we get here we need a car to get around.
ToastedVanilla
We're expecting our first child now. Not looking forward to all the changes ? from the shinkansen to family is another hour by car, I rent.
ButtTrumpett
I think it’s difficult for other countries to understand how spread out USA really is and will remain. Not saying it’s a benefit, just fact.
ButtTrumpett
And fuck yah, how much stuff does a 18 month old neeeeeeed. And I thought my wife needed a lot of stuff for a five day trip ?
supermario182
Ya gas cars never need tow trucks when one of hundreds of moving parts decides to stop working right
Creeeeeed
Literally what are you talking about?
IHateApostrophes
Cars break down sometimes. This is not news.
vikintommy
Read comments about ICE cars with parts, hugs hus D21 with basic eerthang
pr3viso
Oh, but they do. Air flow sensor, crankshaft sensor, fuel pump, alternator. That's 4 off the top of my head.
PectorialMuscles
Shshhhhhhkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeew. Woah, what's that that just flew over?
itdoesntmatternoneofthismatters
An ICE drivetrain has over 2000 individual parts. An EV drivetrain has >20.
Yakumae
You can still move with a fucked up DT. That's like saying just cause you're head gaskets blown the engines done. If the EV motor fails >
Yakumae
you're looking at just as expensive of a replacement as an engine nearly depending on the car. Because the two EV parts are motor + battery
DigiT00l
Or their battery runs out
TosokTheRodentHunter
Million dollar business idea
CatoTiger
Even more basic than that, gas cars run out of fuel as well. The only difference is you can’t carry a battery pack to give you enough (1/2)
agermanguy
"The internet is just a fad.."
CatoTiger
charge to get you to a charging station (yet).
Idontneedrealfacts
AAA
ConsumerAffairs
They do exist, the roadside service that does it carries a 7kVa generator on-board to just charge them enough to get to a charger station
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
You probably could tbh. Portable power stations are getting *very* good
TimeFoDat
I'm no mechanic but I imagine combustion engines have way more points of failure w/all the mini explosions happening constantly.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Yep, ICE engines have dozens of moving parts, electric motors have one. There is almost nothing to break.
TheDrunkenWrench
And yet they do. But as time progresses we'll get better at manufacturing/design to make them reliable
khora
We’ve made electric motors longer than combustion engines and we know how to make them reliable.
Deekermanns
It's got more than just the motor to make it all happen, and we have not been making VFDs longer than ICE, and VFDs in the $1mil+ range >
TheDrunkenWrench
I don't have the desire to explain the problems 140 characters at a time, but we have a ways to go
gearsmith
I'd say the largest point-of-failure for widespread EV usage are the various issues surrounding energy storage density and reliability.
gearsmith
Battery replacements cost ~10-15k on average, and last for ~50k miles. A standard vehicle usually gets twice that, at the very least.
BlargKing
I mean, in 10 years of fixing my family's cars, it's never been engine problems it's always suspension, brakes, aka the parts EVs use too
khora
EVs basically do generative braking except when you slam the brake.
BlargKing
So do hybrids, what's your point?
51rebaS
They do, but they're also the most reliable thing on the entire car with just oil changes. Its everything else that breaks, like alternators
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Pretty far from the truth actually. All those internal parts are failure points and they *do* break.
AndyTheAbsurd
"Most reliable" doesn't mean they don't ever break, just that they break less frequently.
TheDrunkenWrench
We've also had a century to refine the process and make them fail less and less
ConsumerAffairs
Just don't buy any Jeep-Fiat product and you're unlikely to ever have that issue
TidePodDoughPuncher
Omg, those Alfa Romeo Stelvio issues! Best vehicle and most troublesome vehicle all wrapped into one.
Filanwizard
The engine in a Honda is probably more complex overall than the turbine on an airliner. It’s also why jet engines are so reliable
BobbyTheWonderPooch
Not true. Aircraft engines are constantly inspected and carefully maintained, unlike your Honda's engine. 1/2
BobbyTheWonderPooch
If you maintained your car's engine like an aircraft engine, it'd go almost forever.
Filanwizard
While they require advanced materials and extreme precision machining. Their operation is far less stressful on the parts.
Filanwizard
Think about the parts of a piston, they shoot up a cylinder compressing a gas. Stop abruptly and an explosion fires it back down.
Filanwizard
It hits the bottom stops again and goes back up. These stresses are why NHRA has such spectacular engine failure.
KnifeKnut
Or some of the newfangled electronic parts. By the way, electric car has fewer moving parts.
CorrectMostOfTheTime
But it has computers door everything so if that goes down you boned
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
The exact same thing has applied to gas cars for the last 3 decades lmao. If the ECM or TCM goes kaput, you are stuck.
transientmind
Hum. That is also true of modern non-electric cars.
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
KnifeKnut
You seem to be confused, electronics are not moving parts.
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
Sounds like you still didn't understand the comment you responded to. Read it again slowly? You can bring a horse to water but can he drink?
KnifeKnut
Of course of horse can drink