You don't know what you've got until the government steals it from you.

Mar 10, 2018 3:50 PM

BarefootScoundrel

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The NHS is being sold off to private firms without the permission of the British public. They have been in the process of doing this for years. This is a huge deal for people in the UK: it is literally life and death. If you live in the UK, please sign the petition here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205106

This issue means a hell of a lot to me because the NHS saved my life last year. I had an 9cm by 9cm by 8cm bacterial mass and they fixed it for me free of charge. If I had lived in the US I would have gone bankrupt paying the fees or died when it ruptured. There is no way I could ever afford the insurance, let alone the treatments.

Let me give you a little taste of what's coming, UK, assuming we get the American Model:

Insurance costs an average of £232 per person or £601 for a family. PER MONTH. Your insurer has the right to deny you on basically any grounds and you will probably still be paying some hospital fees regardless of if you have insurance or not. If your insurer can avoid paying your costs, they will. And when you are deemed a liability, your costs will go up or your plan will be canceled. You are not a person to them - you are a cash cow.

But why is this happening? Greed. Pure and simple. As Noam Chomsky explains, privatization happens like this:

* Defund it.

* Make sure it doesn't don’t work

* People get angry.

* Hand it over to private capital.

* Profit.

Thanks for reading. If you want to read more about this, check out this article:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-health-department-nhs-legal-action-americanise-privatisation-customers-id-pay-a8033986.html

Got cancer. Spent 6 months in the hospital. Paid 500$ a month. literally NONE of it was covered. Now 800,000 in debt. Dying and uninsured.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

+1. it is 100% sabotage. here's a good 2014 tedx talk with a prof of health policy & research https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz5dl9fhj7o

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

I know us Americans have a learning disability and lack of awareness on other countries but c'mon y'all how do u not see our bullshit???

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Meanwhile in the US I haven't been able to afford medical insurance for years. If I get sick, I just die. Welcome to the club, England.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I mean. Welcome to being American bitch, one right wing at a time. It'll be the Germans that save the Allies from Fascism this time. Ironic.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

227813th signature by me, a Canadian. Hope this help, because privatization of health services is the worst thing that can happen 2a country

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I don't know enough about UK healthcare, but I can confirm that you don't want what we've got...

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Oh god no! Don't do it like the USA! We are backwards and wrong! Don't digress!

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I have experienced both the US and UK systems first hand. The UK system is far superior. Don't give up without a fight.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

And over here in Canada they’re expanding coverage (meds for those 25 and under.. all of which are a fraction of the US cost to begin with)

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Sadly, the transition to give dental care to those under 18 screwed me over personally, but I only lost the final year of my coverage.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Better that everyone can have dental care. A year is just a year.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Its a no brainer for every person in the UK. Fuck Jeremy Cunt

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Am self-employed American. Can confirm. Decent 80% coverage for family of three is $991 a month

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Welcome to our hell.

8 years ago | Likes 78 Dislikes 7

This will confuse the Americans

8 years ago | Likes 154 Dislikes 27

Na pretty easy to grasp getting fucked by health care and insurance companies.

8 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 1

Not confused UK headed to the same system we have...Good luck yer gonna need it.

8 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 2

We understand greedy healthcare better than anyone. You guys have to fight this, any means necessary. We're rooting for you.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

The only part that confused me was "Make sure it doesn't don't work."

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, my insurance is like $1700 a month...

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

They use Celsius & Fahrenheit, miles and kilometers, liters and gallons, two types of MPG...it’s not like there’s a lot to be confused about

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

Yeah, £601/m? $835/m? That’s less than I pay. Granted the government subsidizes $1125 a month for me, but I still have to pay $702.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Im not confused I see the greed that was already here when this country was founded finally made its way back home.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes. We're all very confused by the system we already have to deal with.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Make sure it doesn't don't work. Confused me

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

yank here. not confused. right disgusted. Has Parliament become as corrupt as our Senate?

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Its getting there thanks to the conservatives and there millionaire buddies

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Parliament was corrupt before the colonies had the Declaration of Independance

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It doesn't take much about other countries to confuse us. I mean, most of you guys drive on the wrong side of the road.

8 years ago | Likes 61 Dislikes 11

only the once english-owned countries drive on left side, such as australia, and i believe some african countries as well. silly american..

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Yeah well, the rest of you drive like maniacs :)

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Says the one who isnt capable of driving a manual.:)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm capable...I just go through a few more clutches than average.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

No very few drive on the wrong side of the road. Though Brits are one example

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 3

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. The majority of the world drives on the right.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

A much smaller group doesn't use the metric system

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We weren't talking about the metric system though.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is what's happening to US public education right now.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

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8 years ago (deleted May 1, 2018 2:43 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Yes, honest with her ignorance.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

...apparently i should've added a /s in my comment. oh well imgur user quick downvotes isn't that surprising

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dude, that interview...jesus

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The NHS isn't free, it costs a fair amount in tax but is one hell of a bargain and will be missed when it's gone

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 6

Is the tax paid by an individual through payroll? Does the employer put anything in on behalf of the individual?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We pay income tax.. how much depends on what you earn.. a portion of that is what pays for the nhs

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The fiscal elite have been working on their symphony, "Poor People Should Just Die" forever. Just need some anguished wailing to autotune.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 2

It’s my favorite, my white patents used to sing it for me before sleep.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No no no no don't be like us you're going backwards!

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

NHS saved my life. Pulmonary embolism in both lungs. I now live in France where healthcare is excellent but you need insurance. Most expense

8 years ago | Likes 97 Dislikes 1

When I did clinicals I had a patient who had a double pulmonary embolism. From my side of the bed it was rather facinating

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My specialist said it was spectacular!!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Heparin drip? Short term use of blood thiners and oxygen therapy? A few days stay in an acute care or ICU room? US= Thousands + home RX cost

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I was in for 17 days total.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Hoho! And ICU bed costs like 8K/day at my hospital. That's just the room!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh wow, are you in the USA . I was recently in for day surgery and the room was about 500 euros. That is taken care of via the French system

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You really don't want to base your healthcare system on one so bad it made Breaking Bad a believable premise.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Thanks to the NHS & UK taxpayers, My mum, gran & grandad could get the full cancer treatments they required without the worry of bankruptcy.

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

In the US, the government provides health care to the elderly.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

Similar situation here. My gran needed a huge pile of pills towards the end of her life. I shudder to think about paying for it in the US

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yea granny had cancer too, several operations and a huge amount of time in hospital. My partner is a type 1 diabetic, dread to think about

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

the possible costs if we no longer have the NHS.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The petition says it can only be signed by British or UK citizens. Hope it works, but getting people from overseas to sign it just helps (1)

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

politicians dismiss it. (2)

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

United States healthcare situation sucks. My family is still paying the bill from when my daughter was born 3 years ago and I had insurance.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I would gladly pay a tax to not have to worry how my family would pay a bill if any of us got sick. And I have insurance. It really sucks.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Pffff... I live in America I only go to the doctor or the ER when I can afford it... "Dude you lost your arm" " just throw it in the cooler"

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Yep. I'm a nurse and get shitty insurance through my HOSPITAL EMPLOYER. I will never go to an ER unless a limb is falling off.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Here’s what they are doing, and it’s the same as what the GOP did to the US Post Office; sell off the good/profitable parts, then when it’s

8 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 8

a shadow of its former self and now way more expensive given that it doesn’t have those support things as well, they will claim it’s never

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 3

been good and that it should finally die.

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

Yep. That's basically what Noam said too.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Source? Hadn’t seen any selling off. Profitability problems are due to reduced junk mail and competition for larger shipments from others.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

That sounds like a lot more than just GOP. In the time between that article and now dems did have control as well.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

So? Dems haven’t added to the problem

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

who do you think was lobbying for the USPS to have a decreased share of deliveries?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

1 million people every 36 hours? Brits go to the doctor more than 8 times a year? How ill and accident prone are you people?

8 years ago | Likes 370 Dislikes 30

Also, technically your math is wrong. ((365*24)/36)/(65.64/1m) = 3.7.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We don't in America because it costs money,

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I haven't been to the doctor in about four years. I can't afford it.

8 years ago | Likes 31 Dislikes 0

I have 3 people I have to see every 3-6 months in outpatient clinics for the rest of my life, 4 if something new comes up and I go to the GP

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

To be fair I've had a medical issue this year and have already been to various doctors 12 times so far. Outliers! 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And since I'm American I've spent over $2,500 doing it. G'luck to you, friendly Brit! 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

When it's free and most people live relatively close to a GP more people are gonna go for relatively minor stuff

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Which is great because 7 false alarms and 1 early detection is so very much cheaper than a 6 month hospital stay.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Those 7 still cost money. Also, you wanna bet how many 'early detections' an overworked GP can spot? Not many.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

*Citation needed.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you don’t count tetanus and etc or drug screens for employment I haven’t went to the doctor since I was 3 because of a hernia

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Canadian. Dr. Every 6 weeks or so for recurrent stuff, and last couple years 4 emergency, 2 surgery, 1 coma.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I go to the doctor every 2 months, for prescriptions, other times it's check ups. It's not a lot. I pay so it's not because it's free..

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Think physical therapy, people with need of constant care. It averages out.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd go 8 times a year if I didn't have to pay for it. Haven't been to a Dr in over 10 years because USA.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

You’re young and healthy, right? Give it time.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You also get a lot of idiot parents taking their kids in because they have a runny nose.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 8

yeah it sure would suck to catch the odd one that actually had pneumonia or the makings of meningitis

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

I've been to 13 medical appointments this calendar year. Heart monitor, physical therapy, actual doctor appointments.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

i've not been to the doctor for over15 years, so we sort of balance each other out.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not for long. I have more planned! Muhahaha.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

well i don't plan on getting sick or going to a doctor if i do get sick, so...i'll just die and balance it out.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Eh, I've almost done that a couple times. Don't really recommend it. At least, not as long as donuts exist.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ive been to the doctor atleast a dozen times and im relatively healthy.. had the flu, had a biopsy (3 visits) and cut open my leg (5 visits)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Oh and not including all the visits for my fiancee last year during pregnancy and after... hasnt costed us anything

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1/2 As a Canadian, you are more likely to go see a doctor if you are not sure because there are no financial strings attached

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Canadian also. BC, only province that pays premiums. Socialized medicine is cheaper and reaches more people. That's the goal, right?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/2 you put your health first, hurt my thumb playing football recently, had it checked out with an x ray and turns out it's broken, no cost.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Canadian here. I've been to the doctor about four times in the last six months, between little illnesses, mental stuff, and to discuss 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

prescriptions. My dad has to go biweekly to monitor his heart. That's 26 visits a year. 2/2

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I see, so that 'on average' includes the annual checkup only guy AND the frequent-visitor senior citizens.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Probably. And depending on the year, annual checkup guy may go in multiple times for other shit. Maybe he has a cyst. Or a wart.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

True, that. Some years I'm at the doctor every other month, some years 18 months can go by before they remind me to come in.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Preventative medicine is better than only going to the doctor when you are broken.

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

It's actually less expensive too

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Well, the thing you gotta realise is: It's free. I go for regular check-ups twice a year even if nothing is wrong

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Actually they are generally healthier than US citizens. Probably because they don't have to worry about going into debt from a visit.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

You know when you get a weird rash/cough/right side paralysis and you think "I'll see if it goes away on it's own"? That's when we go.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm from the US and I go to the doctors 5 days a week.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

I'm guessing you either work there or have a really bad opioid habit.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

i work at an office haha

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He could be the mailman.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Mail delivers on Saturdays as well in the US.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

not to my office

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Older folks visit regularly for chronic stuff plus routine visits for prescriptions etc and emergency rooms are rammed 24/7

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hey, might as well go break my leg if it’s free.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That's like the posters Colorado had for ACA plans "hey 20somethings it's okay to go skiing and break your leg u got insurance!"

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"hold my beer, I can afford to fuck this up"

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

As someone with a broken foot right now.. Its not worth it, even if its free.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I guess when you aren't terrified about bills you're more likely to go to the doctor more often.

8 years ago | Likes 120 Dislikes 5

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8 years ago (deleted Nov 6, 2018 6:37 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

how fucked up. "We have to keep it privatized or otherwise people will go to the doctor more when their health is poor"

8 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 2

Well, the real issue is that hypochondriacs go to the doctor for stupid things that can be felt with via OTC meds... It gets STUPID

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 25

So to manage the ~1% of the population that is prone to being a hypochondriac you'll punish everyone else? Is that not stupid to you?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Expensive, and they don't care because they don't pay for it. So they freak out about a headache, minor rash, minor cough, etc. And instead

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 21

so instead of going in to see their doctor, they clog the Emergency Room where they have to be seen

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

most folks here (US) do wait until they have no choice but to go to the Dr. Even w/ insurance, I'm guilty of that.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

I just got insurance and Im still terrified to goto the doctor. Even my chiropractor care has a freaking $5k deductible.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Frequently due to all the up-front costs (deductible, coinsurance, copays) even if you DO have insurance.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Gotta wait till urgent care closes so you can straight to the emergency room and pay a lower copay

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Very often it's repeat visits for people with illnesses, minor injuries, alcohol poisoning. But it also includes mental health and so on.

8 years ago | Likes 251 Dislikes 3

Alcohol poisoning? You are so nonchalant about that.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Kids drink too much and get their stomach pumped, not a huge deal but common.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Well..minus potential for early cirrhosis and liver failure, but yeah..other than that, not a huge deal.....

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I never said it wasn't a huge deal.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'd believe the third one on your list

8 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 2

Chronic issues or mental health will easily get you to a doctor once a month, if not more. Some people get therapy 1 /wk

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

Pssssst. The joke was that the English drink a lot

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It must be nice to be able to go to the doctor when you need to. Prepare yourselves now. I have good insurance... 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

But my deductible is still $1500 and it takes roughly 1/4 of my paychecks. So even with insurance I can't afford Dr. visits.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

My sympathies are with you. Do you have a community health center near you? I was in that situation, they helped me.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There's a long wait list for those with private insurance, they mainly serve Medicare/medicaid/uninsured patients.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I work in healthcare in Oregon - worst deductible I've seen was $9,500. Individual. $13,500 for the family. No coverage for anything

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lol. My deductible is 3000

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Ouch!

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would go to the doctor every few months in the Uk. Now I live in the US, went once and got hit with a $500 bill and never went back...

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

... I just live with crippling bone pain and no longer see a therapist for my depression. It blows.

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

as someone trying to adult in the US, im fucking terrified of having to deal with this system

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

you ok? At least getting by?

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

That's nice, thank you. I'm taking pills so getting by but I wish I could afford to address the underlying issues

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In germany I go twice a year to have my teeth examined. Flu season usually adds at least one. Checking moles for skin cancer +1. >

8 years ago | Likes 38 Dislikes 2

you go to the doctor for teeth? Not a dentist? What?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Your teeth are just bones, which are part of your body. Dental insurance shouldn't be a thing. Neither should vision.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dentist in German is Zahnarzt, or tooth doctor. Probably why he said it that way.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This was about the use of healthcare, so I counted that too.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ah. Well, in the US we have different plans for each actually. Some employers do both, some just one, others, neither. But you pay for each.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Then theres accidents, getting prescription meds (allergies and ADD), all in all it sounds reasonable.

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

I honestly never thought of most of these, US here and I’m literally only at the doctor every six months for a prescription refill.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

best part? My insurance has a reward system for taking action that will save them money later on, I am essentially getting paid to go.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Must be nice to have basic health care

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

I mean, apparently its also cheap for private customers compared to the U.S. Though I dont know for certain.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

My dad collapsed last week passed out with sick down him. An ambulance was here in less than ten mins, hes doing better now :)

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I cant imagine having to weigh up the decision to call them v.s the money it would cost. It was my dads health.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's almost like...it's a completely bullshit statistic! :)

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 7

America here. Not all of us are uninsured or underinsured. Everything costs me $10. Whether is a prescription or heart surgery it’s $10.

8 years ago | Likes 100 Dislikes 46

Wow, what insurance do you have? I pay 250 a month and still get screwed. Had to pay 300 for a 10 minute physical last year.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My made me pay $300 for a woman exam for renewal of BC. A preventative service.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a fellow American, I am glad that you are apparently worth more than someone else without insurance, simply because of where you work.

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 6

Lucky you. I pay $350/mo just to have “insurance”, then I pay at least $12,000 out of pocket before my insurance will cover anything. Fun.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Consider yourself lucky some of have high copays that don't always cover everything, I have to fight for a peds pulmonalogist for my kid...

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Again this

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Me too, like get a decent job. So many unskilled and unproductive people think they can just freeload in our system. Stop smoking retards.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, we’re all glad you got yours.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How? I need to get health insurance, I'm turning 25 soon honestly I should have done it sooner.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

‘Murican here. Do you have kids?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You have really fucking good insurance

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 6

What plan is that and who do you work for? A major surgery deductable in my plan, and I have one of the better CA plans, still is couple of

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

thousands out of my pocket. Your situation is definitely not the norm or close to it

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

How nice for you.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Another America here. How?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sounds like you're full of shit or you have a generous employer with a heavily subsidized ins plan. Where do you work and can you get me in

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

This is such a rare thread on any social media site. I've got $15 in network co pays, $30 out of network and will never pay over 3k a yr.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sounds like you might need to take a closer look at your policy, what it covers, and what it's limits are. No ins covers everything

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Well that's true for all ins. Gramma was on Medicare, denied medication her Dr prescribed her because it was "too new".

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You must have great medical coverage then! Mine is $15 for an appointment and it will cover 80% after my deductible is met. I had a root 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

canal and crown done and after insurance I STILL had to pay $1500! If I had heart surgery, I would have to go bankrupt.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good for you! The sad thing is that for every one well-insured person, there's between four and six more priced out of healthcare access.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's also cruelly geographical. Just moving states with a job transfer dropped our insurance costs by half.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We pay 200 biweekly, they dont pay a cent until w emeet our 5000 deductible. Son was in hospital for asthma, dont cover nebulizer or inhaler

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Sadly, this is not uncommon.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I work but don't make much so I qualify for Medicaid. It's not a matter of see the doctor vs pay the water bill, it's if I can afford>

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

>to take a day off of work.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Hospital case manager here. Can verify.. Vast, vast majority of my patients plenty insured and receive a tremendous amount of services.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 9

Nurse who took care of me in ER works 3 jobs per diem and pays over $500 for her and her child.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes. I pay 600 a month for full benefits. Is this bizarro world? These services cost money as they should.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Nice you can afford that. I make about $17,000 a year. But hey, as long as you got yours right?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In germany government healtcare was introduced because about 20% were not covered. Majority being covered doesnt mean there is no problem.

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Oh gee I wonder why

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But the “vast, vast” number of folks who neglect treatment at all don’t usually appear on your desk

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Neat, I pay $900 monthly for my family, with higher perception and co-pays.

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Mine is $600 per month for a family of 3 with a $4500 deductible. Either that or no insurance.

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Oh I'm happy to pay it, it's just interesting how much it varies by state.

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Where the hell do you live? what’s the name of health plan you have?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yes. This!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's called "Shitthatdidnthappen"

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I pay $50 a week and have a $2000 deductable. $50 co-pay except ER($150). Annual check-up is free. I also have a HSA so low Out-of-pocket.

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Annual checkup is free thanks to Obama care.

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Long before ACA many plans had that, because they wanted you to get seen.

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*cough* bullshit *cough cough*. Preventative care has always been on almost all insurance I've ever had since before Obama was a "Thing".

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You should consider yourself lucky! In fact, use it to go get that cough checked out.

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Well, you're fuckin lucky aren't you? I have insurance that won't pay a red cent until l hit a several thousand dollar deductible a year

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Neat. Just because it’s working for some, doesn’t mean it’s not viciously destroying a whole lotta others.

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I totally agree.

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Insured and my kid got denied a peds pulomonoligist even though her pcp recommended it and multiple visits to ER for asthma attacks...

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So PCP didn't fill out the referral?

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Yep.There is access to insurance in the US, but they're a business and have to make a profit. That's what fucks it up. Hope your kid is well

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And that plan costs you how much? Do you have any risk factors?

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Risk factors can't be taken into account. Mine is similar, costs $340 / month for the family because my emplyer pays a good chunk.

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In germany the employer "pays" half.

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Mines similar, and it's $300/mo, pretax, for our whole family, once the worker is there 30 days.

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Oh, I should add that I pay for pretty much nothing besides my monthly fee... and that family is also covered.

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Betcha it costs your employer more than that.

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P R E A C H. I was hunting for this comment

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Yes I think they cover ~2/3 of cost. I make $5400 USD/mo but the cost of ins. is same for all employees.

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Did some math, I would have to earn upwards of 4000 euros/month (~4900$) to pay that much. Its almost the maximum rate here.

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5000$ a month is considered a lot there? Dafaq?

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That's more than my wife's and my joint income.

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according to wikipedia thats more than what 70% of U.S. workers earn, so yeah, I'd say thats a lot.

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My employer pays it all. But that's super rare in the US. Otherwise I was at 600 a month for the family.

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Lets be real, the employee always pays it all, the only difference is whether it shows up on your paycheck or not.

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$100/mo single. Half that if not for the occasional cigar.

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Should probably also mention that it pays for my ADD meds and therapy without price hike. Which is nice.

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An occasional cigar doubled your rate? :|

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Tobacco users get surcharged heavily

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My rate wouldnt change, regardless of family. On the other hand, I get to smoke as many cigars as I want.

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Yeah I just pay the $100 over the $50 in case they try to call me out on it if I get really hurt even though it's a rare thing

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My high Mark insurance gives an exception for an occasional cigar. I am in Pennsylvania

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American here. MRI with insurance was quoted at 500$ after insurance paid. Idk what kind of bomb ass insurance you have. But damn. $10.

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This

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really? I just paid 800 for an ultrasound (also after insurance)

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That’s just insane. I didn’t end up doing the MRI on my knee cause I can’t afford it obviously. That’s more than half my rent.

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Yeah, they told me my copay would only be 160 then more bills kept showing up :(

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Also, I hope your knee's doing better

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Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everybody. The NHS *does* work for everybody and is cheaper overall.

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Everyone from foreign lands make it sound like none of us has healthcare.

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You are missing the point. I too have healthcare but overpaying and being under serviced is not OK. The US system is not sustainable

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Wasn’t trying to start a war or brag about my insurance. Just wanted people to know that not every american goes bankrupt over a dr visit.

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Nonsense, virtually all the posts I see on here complaining about your healthcare system are made by Americans. Foreign lands my balls.

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I have seen foreigners telling me about out healthcare & how we let the poor die in the street.

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I agree. Foreigners are too busy hyperboling gun violence to talk about health care.

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What does that possibly have to do with the point I was making? Don't you feel stupid trying to turn this into a discussion about guns?

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If you genuinely believe you've got it the best that's cool. Stay where you are

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1-I "genuinely believe" that imgur is retarded. Statistically speaking, choking is one of the leading causes of death for children while

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How much does that cost you and how much does your employer cover? I have decent insurance too, but if I lost my job I'd be fucked.

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No. You would be quickly assimilated into Medicaid and receive all needed health care. This is literally what I do for a living.

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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In my state an individual cannot have more than $2000 to qualify for Medicaid. You have to be real fucking poor before you qualify.

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Aren't there still serious limitations on how much money you can have and I'm guessing 8ncome throughout the year? Its also an issue of 1/2

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many employers not providing reasonable coverage options. You can have a job but be seriously underinsured. 2/2

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Yes Medicaid will take into account how much you have in assets. Savings, life insurance, retirement account, etc

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Which is fair for what Medicaid is intended imo, but probably means I'd have to burn through almost all assets before qualifying.

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I had a $60k thoracotomy to remove a lung. Paid $100. Premium is $300/mo for myself and my husband. Worth it.

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And not everyone can afford that. That is the problem. Companies don't provide their employees proper insurance options. My parents are 1

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The mistake was putting the impetus on companies in the first place. It's not their responsibility.

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Companies put it on themselves. In lieu of raises after WW2, companies started giving insurance instead. Them govt. started giving tax...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

...breaks so more and more companies started providing health insurance to its employees. The govt is to blame again for subsidizing.

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Both decently paid individuals but their health insurance offered them is abysmal. Also when half the country makes less than 35k a year 2

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The median income is 59k. What are you smoking.

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median and mean(average) are 2 very different metrics. Study your stats vocab. Median is the middle value of 2 equal halves mean uses all 1

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300 a month isn't going to allow them to pay rent and other bills. Especially with how student loan debt is spiralled out of control.

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

Are you trying to mash the "has a degree" and "low end of the income bell curve" demographics together? lol?

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Same here. Cost ~10k a year with $2k deductible. Most I’ve paid in a year since having the coverage (10yrs) was around $15k. 1/?

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And that year my wife had a double mastectomy. Not everyone can afford it, I get that, but for everyone claiming Canada for example as ....

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

...having great healthcare, the “average” Canadian family will spend ~12k a year on public health care. Not to mention the crazy wait times.

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US healthcare is twice as expensive as in other OECD countries, with less coverage, yet someone wants to adopt the model? You must be joking

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@OP because the US free market healthcare effectively subsidizes the rest of the world's socialized/price controlled healthcare.

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That is simply wrong. On what basis do you state this?

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I'd love to know too. Your medical companies, if anything, make the prices higher because they charge such premiums and are uncountable.

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Plus, your companies are the very ones that are lobbying for an American system in every country with real healthcare.

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And spend a third of their budget on advertising. Fact.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The Australian government is trying to do the same to us, not many people can see it happening, but it is happening

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I can't see how anyone can NOT see what's going on right in front of us. Same goes for our welfare system. Raging.

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Trying to apply for Centrelink, the amount of forms and shit needed. Wish I could afford to live without it

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Because this gov thinks it's ok to punish those who need support. The sooner we implement non-means tested basic income, the better.

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You're saying it from the wrong perspective. To them, it's "US Healthcare is twice as profitable as in other OECD countries? Let's adopt the

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model."

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Can we please have the angry emoji?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh, the Australian government wants to do the same thing. Apparently the well-being of their constituents is not high on their agenda.

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It's a good system for those to whom money is no issue - more high-end service providers for them.

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And it's a great system for people who own companies that stand to make massive profits while delivering inferior care.

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US insurance makes billionaires billionaires. Sure there are always those who want adopt it.

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I'm sure it has the potential to make a few people very very wealthy.

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Greed and absolute power over peoples' lives are a helluva drug.

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Imagine how much easier it would be to pay rent and live if you didnt have all the monthly payments to insurance's you rarely use.

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I mean, you'd still have increased taxes, but you definitely wouldn't have to shop around for plans, compare coverages, deductibles, etc...

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With EU model, the extra taxes would total in less than 50% of what the costs used to be.

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Even if the cost were the same, I imagine quality of care would be vastly superior to what the US has now.

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Depends on how you live. The other side is that I dont have to worry in case I get sick or injured. worth the 7.5% imho.

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I pay $800+ a month for health insurance (me and spouse) that gives me a $5,000 deductible and only covers preventative care.

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With all due respect, how you guys have not yet taken your guns and hunted your policy makers to hell is beyond me.

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I'm legit surprised there hasn't been more political assassination attempts.I guess schools are just easier to murder in

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Agreed. There are 2 sides to the argument for sure.

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Besides, the insurance covers check ups, so how much it gets used is up to you, really.

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Depends on the insurance. My insurance doesn't cover checkups or exams.

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More well checks and investment into compliance for htn and diabetes would lower cost :/

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

the fact that checkups are covered isn't really very useful when it doesn't pay a dime til i hit my $5000 deductible

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What is a deductible?

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It's insane, right? The NHS actually got sued by Virgin a while ago for not playing along with the corporate cash grab.

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Oh, Richard Branson, Mr. Nice Guy

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It lets politicians say they're lowering taxes.

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The system's not perfect but we use it for the same reason Americans are relatively conservative: we value individualism & self-sufficiency

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So what happens when you get too sick to be self sufficient?

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Bootstraps or something...

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

You die. Not saying I like the system, just pointing out the merits Americans see in it

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Nah those are values companies and the greedy psychopaths that run them say we value so we don't see that real motivation behind it all is-

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- greed and apathy. Its sad how well it works on your everyday blue collar conservative. Nothing like a compliment while they back stab ya.

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We're not "relatively conservative" we just have two political options and they both suck.

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I mean, I'd literally be dead at least 3 times if not for the NHS, so can we like, not become a third world country like america please.

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3x? Are you making toast while in the bath?

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8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Shithole*

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Freedom to be a Shithole *

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

The term "Third World" arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Communist Bloc.

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If Trump has his way, the US won’t be aligned with NATO for much longer. Might be aligned with Russia, though.

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Yes, and nowadays the meaning has changed. Welcome to language/.

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yeah it means the the developing countries of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. still waiting on how it applies.

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It's a tongue in cheek joke about the countries current situation

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I was down the road the Parkland shooting incident and helped serve the students protesters the week after. You’re not funny at all.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 13

it didn't come across as a joke. you should probably try being funny

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 32

It's funny how they got super mad on of that 3rd world joke. I don't know if it's a European joke, but I use to tell that a lot too.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

They're just mad that would whoop all their asses and they know it. Had to save them fucks twice

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Really, a 3rd world country. A little over dramatic are we?

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And they're downvoting you for call them on Their hyperbole. As Is if you're the one saying outlandish things

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School shootings every other week, bankrupcy or death choice healthcare system, can't be who you want to be, yeah, seems pretty 3rd to me

8 years ago | Likes 84 Dislikes 42

also rap/hip hop

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

Don't forget: the imperial system and Fahrenheits ;)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Harsh much

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Also a leading world superpower, most advanced and we'll funded military on the planet, home to some of the smartest humans to ever live...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Lol nice troll

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 15

We don't have school shootings as often as you think. The healtcare system was pretty decent till the govt. decided to eff it up.

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True did the math on average over the past decade 35 ppl died per year from school shootings. 12k people died last year in FL from drug ODs.

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We do have a mass shooting like once a week tho.

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As of March 8th their has been 14 school shootings in the US in 2018. 1 is too much. 14 is likely more than people thinks it happens

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Lol into that, even NYT & WAPO point out why that's wrong.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Wrong. Included in those numbers are if someone commits suicide on school property when children aren't present.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Please for the love of god learn facts. They exist. You're spouting absolute nonsense, and no one should have to take the time to teach you.

8 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 14

At least I don't have to wait a year to have surgery.

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 28

At least I don't have to sell my house so I can not die

8 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 16

We're the only country on Earth with the human right to free speech. You can be literally anyone here. You're obviously just stupid

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 30

Holy motherfucking shit you cannot be serious. Have you ever even left your home town?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

That's definitely a fucked list. South Africa? Where they are killing and stealing white farmers land because they are white? Seriously?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 4

Shhhh. They don't like facts.

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