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The NHS is being sold off to private firms without the permission of the British public. They have been in the process of doing this for years. This is a huge deal for people in the UK: it is literally life and death. If you live in the UK, please sign the petition here: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/205106
This issue means a hell of a lot to me because the NHS saved my life last year. I had an 9cm by 9cm by 8cm bacterial mass and they fixed it for me free of charge. If I had lived in the US I would have gone bankrupt paying the fees or died when it ruptured. There is no way I could ever afford the insurance, let alone the treatments.
Let me give you a little taste of what's coming, UK, assuming we get the American Model:
Insurance costs an average of £232 per person or £601 for a family. PER MONTH. Your insurer has the right to deny you on basically any grounds and you will probably still be paying some hospital fees regardless of if you have insurance or not. If your insurer can avoid paying your costs, they will. And when you are deemed a liability, your costs will go up or your plan will be canceled. You are not a person to them - you are a cash cow.
But why is this happening? Greed. Pure and simple. As Noam Chomsky explains, privatization happens like this:
* Defund it.
* Make sure it doesn't don’t work
* People get angry.
* Hand it over to private capital.
* Profit.
Thanks for reading. If you want to read more about this, check out this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-hunt-health-department-nhs-legal-action-americanise-privatisation-customers-id-pay-a8033986.html
zylokun
Got cancer. Spent 6 months in the hospital. Paid 500$ a month. literally NONE of it was covered. Now 800,000 in debt. Dying and uninsured.
lambaroo
+1. it is 100% sabotage. here's a good 2014 tedx talk with a prof of health policy & research https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz5dl9fhj7o
WorthEveryPenny
I know us Americans have a learning disability and lack of awareness on other countries but c'mon y'all how do u not see our bullshit???
404NameN0tF0und
Meanwhile in the US I haven't been able to afford medical insurance for years. If I get sick, I just die. Welcome to the club, England.
GoldenRamoth
I mean. Welcome to being American bitch, one right wing at a time. It'll be the Germans that save the Allies from Fascism this time. Ironic.
Andontheseventhdayhecreatedme
227813th signature by me, a Canadian. Hope this help, because privatization of health services is the worst thing that can happen 2a country
jesusaichchrist
I don't know enough about UK healthcare, but I can confirm that you don't want what we've got...
KawaiiRonPaul
Oh god no! Don't do it like the USA! We are backwards and wrong! Don't digress!
unsmith
I have experienced both the US and UK systems first hand. The UK system is far superior. Don't give up without a fight.
WittyCleverUsername
And over here in Canada they’re expanding coverage (meds for those 25 and under.. all of which are a fraction of the US cost to begin with)
Felryn
Sadly, the transition to give dental care to those under 18 screwed me over personally, but I only lost the final year of my coverage.
Felryn
Better that everyone can have dental care. A year is just a year.
ogwnf
Its a no brainer for every person in the UK. Fuck Jeremy Cunt
poopapologize
Am self-employed American. Can confirm. Decent 80% coverage for family of three is $991 a month
gr8whtd0pe
Welcome to our hell.
ProfessorDumbass
This will confuse the Americans
manicmalki
Na pretty easy to grasp getting fucked by health care and insurance companies.
Daft113
Not confused UK headed to the same system we have...Good luck yer gonna need it.
roads88mph
We understand greedy healthcare better than anyone. You guys have to fight this, any means necessary. We're rooting for you.
OneCoolFrood
The only part that confused me was "Make sure it doesn't don't work."
Schitzoflink
Yeah, my insurance is like $1700 a month...
JamesonStreet
They use Celsius & Fahrenheit, miles and kilometers, liters and gallons, two types of MPG...it’s not like there’s a lot to be confused about
FaxCelestis
Yeah, £601/m? $835/m? That’s less than I pay. Granted the government subsidizes $1125 a month for me, but I still have to pay $702.
ProfessorPritt
Im not confused I see the greed that was already here when this country was founded finally made its way back home.
ThisNosoi
Yes. We're all very confused by the system we already have to deal with.
thanthanthan
Make sure it doesn't don't work. Confused me
an0therthr0waway
yank here. not confused. right disgusted. Has Parliament become as corrupt as our Senate?
nugo520
Its getting there thanks to the conservatives and there millionaire buddies
misterwit
Parliament was corrupt before the colonies had the Declaration of Independance
r3b007
It doesn't take much about other countries to confuse us. I mean, most of you guys drive on the wrong side of the road.
goldbergshekelsteinowitz
only the once english-owned countries drive on left side, such as australia, and i believe some african countries as well. silly american..
r3b007
Yeah well, the rest of you drive like maniacs :)
goldbergshekelsteinowitz
Says the one who isnt capable of driving a manual.:)
r3b007
I'm capable...I just go through a few more clutches than average.
thetonestarr
No very few drive on the wrong side of the road. Though Brits are one example
OneCoolFrood
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. The majority of the world drives on the right.
ProfessorDumbass
A much smaller group doesn't use the metric system
OneCoolFrood
We weren't talking about the metric system though.
Patternsofculture
This is what's happening to US public education right now.
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Patternsofculture
Yes, honest with her ignorance.
ghettoalpaca
...apparently i should've added a /s in my comment. oh well imgur user quick downvotes isn't that surprising
bngd
Dude, that interview...jesus
Sayertron
The NHS isn't free, it costs a fair amount in tax but is one hell of a bargain and will be missed when it's gone
anotheroundplease
Is the tax paid by an individual through payroll? Does the employer put anything in on behalf of the individual?
imnotthatblonde
We pay income tax.. how much depends on what you earn.. a portion of that is what pays for the nhs
Rivalyn
The fiscal elite have been working on their symphony, "Poor People Should Just Die" forever. Just need some anguished wailing to autotune.
IOnlyPostBlowMemes
It’s my favorite, my white patents used to sing it for me before sleep.
Jimjohnnyjonenson
No no no no don't be like us you're going backwards!
Strummer16
NHS saved my life. Pulmonary embolism in both lungs. I now live in France where healthcare is excellent but you need insurance. Most expense
92xander
When I did clinicals I had a patient who had a double pulmonary embolism. From my side of the bed it was rather facinating
Strummer16
My specialist said it was spectacular!!
Xandelle
Heparin drip? Short term use of blood thiners and oxygen therapy? A few days stay in an acute care or ICU room? US= Thousands + home RX cost
Strummer16
I was in for 17 days total.
Xandelle
Hoho! And ICU bed costs like 8K/day at my hospital. That's just the room!
Strummer16
Oh wow, are you in the USA . I was recently in for day surgery and the room was about 500 euros. That is taken care of via the French system
phantomshadow19819000
You really don't want to base your healthcare system on one so bad it made Breaking Bad a believable premise.
CaptainObveeus
Thanks to the NHS & UK taxpayers, My mum, gran & grandad could get the full cancer treatments they required without the worry of bankruptcy.
SomeDetroitGuy
In the US, the government provides health care to the elderly.
warp10
Similar situation here. My gran needed a huge pile of pills towards the end of her life. I shudder to think about paying for it in the US
Ijustreallyreallylikeelephants
Yea granny had cancer too, several operations and a huge amount of time in hospital. My partner is a type 1 diabetic, dread to think about
Ijustreallyreallylikeelephants
the possible costs if we no longer have the NHS.
ShrubNinja
The petition says it can only be signed by British or UK citizens. Hope it works, but getting people from overseas to sign it just helps (1)
ShrubNinja
politicians dismiss it. (2)
estarpianist9
United States healthcare situation sucks. My family is still paying the bill from when my daughter was born 3 years ago and I had insurance.
estarpianist9
I would gladly pay a tax to not have to worry how my family would pay a bill if any of us got sick. And I have insurance. It really sucks.
bucky24
Pffff... I live in America I only go to the doctor or the ER when I can afford it... "Dude you lost your arm" " just throw it in the cooler"
Xandelle
Yep. I'm a nurse and get shitty insurance through my HOSPITAL EMPLOYER. I will never go to an ER unless a limb is falling off.
51CorgisInABar
Here’s what they are doing, and it’s the same as what the GOP did to the US Post Office; sell off the good/profitable parts, then when it’s
51CorgisInABar
a shadow of its former self and now way more expensive given that it doesn’t have those support things as well, they will claim it’s never
51CorgisInABar
been good and that it should finally die.
BarefootScoundrel
Yep. That's basically what Noam said too.
Klingon00
Source? Hadn’t seen any selling off. Profitability problems are due to reduced junk mail and competition for larger shipments from others.
51CorgisInABar
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/who-killed-the-postal-service/249508/ part 3 in particular
RavensX1X
That sounds like a lot more than just GOP. In the time between that article and now dems did have control as well.
51CorgisInABar
So? Dems haven’t added to the problem
51CorgisInABar
who do you think was lobbying for the USPS to have a decreased share of deliveries?
hasdrubal
1 million people every 36 hours? Brits go to the doctor more than 8 times a year? How ill and accident prone are you people?
codenameRadical
Also, technically your math is wrong. ((365*24)/36)/(65.64/1m) = 3.7.
IwishIwereKeithDavid
We don't in America because it costs money,
ShrubNinja
I haven't been to the doctor in about four years. I can't afford it.
KichiUK
I have 3 people I have to see every 3-6 months in outpatient clinics for the rest of my life, 4 if something new comes up and I go to the GP
aodhfin
To be fair I've had a medical issue this year and have already been to various doctors 12 times so far. Outliers! 1/2
aodhfin
And since I'm American I've spent over $2,500 doing it. G'luck to you, friendly Brit! 2/2
arandompenguin
When it's free and most people live relatively close to a GP more people are gonna go for relatively minor stuff
valen00
Which is great because 7 false alarms and 1 early detection is so very much cheaper than a 6 month hospital stay.
WhenTheTeacupShatters
Those 7 still cost money. Also, you wanna bet how many 'early detections' an overworked GP can spot? Not many.
valen00
*Citation needed.
retiredgumball
If you don’t count tetanus and etc or drug screens for employment I haven’t went to the doctor since I was 3 because of a hernia
erischilde
Canadian. Dr. Every 6 weeks or so for recurrent stuff, and last couple years 4 emergency, 2 surgery, 1 coma.
tomalt
I go to the doctor every 2 months, for prescriptions, other times it's check ups. It's not a lot. I pay so it's not because it's free..
Ikingg
Think physical therapy, people with need of constant care. It averages out.
kahlan020
I'd go 8 times a year if I didn't have to pay for it. Haven't been to a Dr in over 10 years because USA.
MKUltraMega
You’re young and healthy, right? Give it time.
Midwinters
You also get a lot of idiot parents taking their kids in because they have a runny nose.
MerToo
yeah it sure would suck to catch the odd one that actually had pneumonia or the makings of meningitis
codenameRadical
I've been to 13 medical appointments this calendar year. Heart monitor, physical therapy, actual doctor appointments.
tiramigiu
i've not been to the doctor for over15 years, so we sort of balance each other out.
codenameRadical
Not for long. I have more planned! Muhahaha.
tiramigiu
well i don't plan on getting sick or going to a doctor if i do get sick, so...i'll just die and balance it out.
codenameRadical
Eh, I've almost done that a couple times. Don't really recommend it. At least, not as long as donuts exist.
dagg3r
Ive been to the doctor atleast a dozen times and im relatively healthy.. had the flu, had a biopsy (3 visits) and cut open my leg (5 visits)
dagg3r
Oh and not including all the visits for my fiancee last year during pregnancy and after... hasnt costed us anything
lat3rvad3r
1/2 As a Canadian, you are more likely to go see a doctor if you are not sure because there are no financial strings attached
thepatternisfull
Canadian also. BC, only province that pays premiums. Socialized medicine is cheaper and reaches more people. That's the goal, right?
lat3rvad3r
2/2 you put your health first, hurt my thumb playing football recently, had it checked out with an x ray and turns out it's broken, no cost.
jacksparrah
Canadian here. I've been to the doctor about four times in the last six months, between little illnesses, mental stuff, and to discuss 1/2
jacksparrah
prescriptions. My dad has to go biweekly to monitor his heart. That's 26 visits a year. 2/2
spiderqueendemon
I see, so that 'on average' includes the annual checkup only guy AND the frequent-visitor senior citizens.
jacksparrah
Probably. And depending on the year, annual checkup guy may go in multiple times for other shit. Maybe he has a cyst. Or a wart.
spiderqueendemon
True, that. Some years I'm at the doctor every other month, some years 18 months can go by before they remind me to come in.
unsmith
Preventative medicine is better than only going to the doctor when you are broken.
raspyberry
It's actually less expensive too
HermanManly
Well, the thing you gotta realise is: It's free. I go for regular check-ups twice a year even if nothing is wrong
Dionysus187
Actually they are generally healthier than US citizens. Probably because they don't have to worry about going into debt from a visit.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
You know when you get a weird rash/cough/right side paralysis and you think "I'll see if it goes away on it's own"? That's when we go.
Ryucian222
I'm from the US and I go to the doctors 5 days a week.
rando84
I'm guessing you either work there or have a really bad opioid habit.
Ryucian222
i work at an office haha
AluminumMuffin
He could be the mailman.
kittyanya
Mail delivers on Saturdays as well in the US.
Ryucian222
not to my office
retropedro
Older folks visit regularly for chronic stuff plus routine visits for prescriptions etc and emergency rooms are rammed 24/7
0xBAADF00D
Hey, might as well go break my leg if it’s free.
Surfette
That's like the posters Colorado had for ACA plans "hey 20somethings it's okay to go skiing and break your leg u got insurance!"
SmolTenk
"hold my beer, I can afford to fuck this up"
Birkew
As someone with a broken foot right now.. Its not worth it, even if its free.
Zimno
I guess when you aren't terrified about bills you're more likely to go to the doctor more often.
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Dionysus187
how fucked up. "We have to keep it privatized or otherwise people will go to the doctor more when their health is poor"
Onfire7
Well, the real issue is that hypochondriacs go to the doctor for stupid things that can be felt with via OTC meds... It gets STUPID
Jusmar
So to manage the ~1% of the population that is prone to being a hypochondriac you'll punish everyone else? Is that not stupid to you?
Onfire7
Expensive, and they don't care because they don't pay for it. So they freak out about a headache, minor rash, minor cough, etc. And instead
bootninja
so instead of going in to see their doctor, they clog the Emergency Room where they have to be seen
TheHappyHermit
most folks here (US) do wait until they have no choice but to go to the Dr. Even w/ insurance, I'm guilty of that.
Zimno
I just got insurance and Im still terrified to goto the doctor. Even my chiropractor care has a freaking $5k deductible.
KalYahna
Frequently due to all the up-front costs (deductible, coinsurance, copays) even if you DO have insurance.
magicalmysterytour
Gotta wait till urgent care closes so you can straight to the emergency room and pay a lower copay
BarefootScoundrel
Very often it's repeat visits for people with illnesses, minor injuries, alcohol poisoning. But it also includes mental health and so on.
WhiteyandtheFullEffect
Alcohol poisoning? You are so nonchalant about that.
TylerMalloy
Kids drink too much and get their stomach pumped, not a huge deal but common.
KevorkianScarf
Well..minus potential for early cirrhosis and liver failure, but yeah..other than that, not a huge deal.....
BarefootScoundrel
I never said it wasn't a huge deal.
SickOfThisCessPool
I'd believe the third one on your list
koopaya
Chronic issues or mental health will easily get you to a doctor once a month, if not more. Some people get therapy 1 /wk
SickOfThisCessPool
Pssssst. The joke was that the English drink a lot
hctravis
It must be nice to be able to go to the doctor when you need to. Prepare yourselves now. I have good insurance... 1/2
hctravis
But my deductible is still $1500 and it takes roughly 1/4 of my paychecks. So even with insurance I can't afford Dr. visits.
spiderqueendemon
My sympathies are with you. Do you have a community health center near you? I was in that situation, they helped me.
hctravis
There's a long wait list for those with private insurance, they mainly serve Medicare/medicaid/uninsured patients.
KevorkianScarf
I work in healthcare in Oregon - worst deductible I've seen was $9,500. Individual. $13,500 for the family. No coverage for anything
ellavator
Lol. My deductible is 3000
hctravis
Ouch!
meta666
I would go to the doctor every few months in the Uk. Now I live in the US, went once and got hit with a $500 bill and never went back...
meta666
... I just live with crippling bone pain and no longer see a therapist for my depression. It blows.
bravecatgaming
as someone trying to adult in the US, im fucking terrified of having to deal with this system
SmolTenk
you ok? At least getting by?
meta666
That's nice, thank you. I'm taking pills so getting by but I wish I could afford to address the underlying issues
SmolTenk
In germany I go twice a year to have my teeth examined. Flu season usually adds at least one. Checking moles for skin cancer +1. >
GoldenRamoth
you go to the doctor for teeth? Not a dentist? What?
rhinocerass
Your teeth are just bones, which are part of your body. Dental insurance shouldn't be a thing. Neither should vision.
Keairan
Dentist in German is Zahnarzt, or tooth doctor. Probably why he said it that way.
SmolTenk
This was about the use of healthcare, so I counted that too.
GoldenRamoth
Ah. Well, in the US we have different plans for each actually. Some employers do both, some just one, others, neither. But you pay for each.
SmolTenk
Then theres accidents, getting prescription meds (allergies and ADD), all in all it sounds reasonable.
Malak224
I honestly never thought of most of these, US here and I’m literally only at the doctor every six months for a prescription refill.
SmolTenk
best part? My insurance has a reward system for taking action that will save them money later on, I am essentially getting paid to go.
stonedcloud
Must be nice to have basic health care
SmolTenk
I mean, apparently its also cheap for private customers compared to the U.S. Though I dont know for certain.
CabNumber1729
My dad collapsed last week passed out with sick down him. An ambulance was here in less than ten mins, hes doing better now :)
CabNumber1729
I cant imagine having to weigh up the decision to call them v.s the money it would cost. It was my dads health.
Kassimila
It's almost like...it's a completely bullshit statistic! :)
nofunatall
America here. Not all of us are uninsured or underinsured. Everything costs me $10. Whether is a prescription or heart surgery it’s $10.
mstrhotman
Wow, what insurance do you have? I pay 250 a month and still get screwed. Had to pay 300 for a 10 minute physical last year.
Xandelle
My made me pay $300 for a woman exam for renewal of BC. A preventative service.
Cyclicus
As a fellow American, I am glad that you are apparently worth more than someone else without insurance, simply because of where you work.
PettyWhite
Lucky you. I pay $350/mo just to have “insurance”, then I pay at least $12,000 out of pocket before my insurance will cover anything. Fun.
EMTMarv
Consider yourself lucky some of have high copays that don't always cover everything, I have to fight for a peds pulmonalogist for my kid...
SilkySifaka
Again this
IOnlyPostBlowMemes
Me too, like get a decent job. So many unskilled and unproductive people think they can just freeload in our system. Stop smoking retards.
NVGoddesscottage
Well, we’re all glad you got yours.
010001100010110101110101
How? I need to get health insurance, I'm turning 25 soon honestly I should have done it sooner.
wakeupdead
‘Murican here. Do you have kids?
JacaByte
You have really fucking good insurance
Zcarsnarl
spetcnaz
What plan is that and who do you work for? A major surgery deductable in my plan, and I have one of the better CA plans, still is couple of
spetcnaz
thousands out of my pocket. Your situation is definitely not the norm or close to it
drakewarnock
How nice for you.
jesusaichchrist
Another America here. How?
UAmmo
Sounds like you're full of shit or you have a generous employer with a heavily subsidized ins plan. Where do you work and can you get me in
Zcarsnarl
This is such a rare thread on any social media site. I've got $15 in network co pays, $30 out of network and will never pay over 3k a yr.
UAmmo
Sounds like you might need to take a closer look at your policy, what it covers, and what it's limits are. No ins covers everything
Surfette
Well that's true for all ins. Gramma was on Medicare, denied medication her Dr prescribed her because it was "too new".
Roqinn
You must have great medical coverage then! Mine is $15 for an appointment and it will cover 80% after my deductible is met. I had a root 1/2
Roqinn
canal and crown done and after insurance I STILL had to pay $1500! If I had heart surgery, I would have to go bankrupt.
spiderqueendemon
Good for you! The sad thing is that for every one well-insured person, there's between four and six more priced out of healthcare access.
spiderqueendemon
It's also cruelly geographical. Just moving states with a job transfer dropped our insurance costs by half.
thagooeyjuice
We pay 200 biweekly, they dont pay a cent until w emeet our 5000 deductible. Son was in hospital for asthma, dont cover nebulizer or inhaler
flosser
Sadly, this is not uncommon.
fistermatic5000
I work but don't make much so I qualify for Medicaid. It's not a matter of see the doctor vs pay the water bill, it's if I can afford>
fistermatic5000
>to take a day off of work.
stricklinsarah10
Hospital case manager here. Can verify.. Vast, vast majority of my patients plenty insured and receive a tremendous amount of services.
NVGoddesscottage
Nurse who took care of me in ER works 3 jobs per diem and pays over $500 for her and her child.
stricklinsarah10
Yes. I pay 600 a month for full benefits. Is this bizarro world? These services cost money as they should.
NVGoddesscottage
Nice you can afford that. I make about $17,000 a year. But hey, as long as you got yours right?
SmolTenk
In germany government healtcare was introduced because about 20% were not covered. Majority being covered doesnt mean there is no problem.
raijuros
Oh gee I wonder why
AuntSharron
But the “vast, vast” number of folks who neglect treatment at all don’t usually appear on your desk
Mentok
Neat, I pay $900 monthly for my family, with higher perception and co-pays.
flosser
Mine is $600 per month for a family of 3 with a $4500 deductible. Either that or no insurance.
Mentok
Oh I'm happy to pay it, it's just interesting how much it varies by state.
SilkySifaka
Where the hell do you live? what’s the name of health plan you have?
quartermcpounder
Yes. This!
loldongs10000
It's called "Shitthatdidnthappen"
BeenthereDonesome
I pay $50 a week and have a $2000 deductable. $50 co-pay except ER($150). Annual check-up is free. I also have a HSA so low Out-of-pocket.
Lav4486
Annual checkup is free thanks to Obama care.
Surfette
Long before ACA many plans had that, because they wanted you to get seen.
BeenthereDonesome
*cough* bullshit *cough cough*. Preventative care has always been on almost all insurance I've ever had since before Obama was a "Thing".
Lav4486
You should consider yourself lucky! In fact, use it to go get that cough checked out.
sirbartonslady
Well, you're fuckin lucky aren't you? I have insurance that won't pay a red cent until l hit a several thousand dollar deductible a year
AuntSharron
Neat. Just because it’s working for some, doesn’t mean it’s not viciously destroying a whole lotta others.
nofunatall
I totally agree.
EMTMarv
EMTMarv
Insured and my kid got denied a peds pulomonoligist even though her pcp recommended it and multiple visits to ER for asthma attacks...
Surfette
So PCP didn't fill out the referral?
fistermatic5000
Yep.There is access to insurance in the US, but they're a business and have to make a profit. That's what fucks it up. Hope your kid is well
SmolTenk
And that plan costs you how much? Do you have any risk factors?
SomeDetroitGuy
Risk factors can't be taken into account. Mine is similar, costs $340 / month for the family because my emplyer pays a good chunk.
SmolTenk
In germany the employer "pays" half.
catsofat
Mines similar, and it's $300/mo, pretax, for our whole family, once the worker is there 30 days.
SmolTenk
Oh, I should add that I pay for pretty much nothing besides my monthly fee... and that family is also covered.
RubyPorto
Betcha it costs your employer more than that.
ghettoalpaca
P R E A C H. I was hunting for this comment
catsofat
Yes I think they cover ~2/3 of cost. I make $5400 USD/mo but the cost of ins. is same for all employees.
SmolTenk
Did some math, I would have to earn upwards of 4000 euros/month (~4900$) to pay that much. Its almost the maximum rate here.
CyrusTheOk
5000$ a month is considered a lot there? Dafaq?
morelikeconsham
That's more than my wife's and my joint income.
SmolTenk
according to wikipedia thats more than what 70% of U.S. workers earn, so yeah, I'd say thats a lot.
NLPer
My employer pays it all. But that's super rare in the US. Otherwise I was at 600 a month for the family.
SmolTenk
Lets be real, the employee always pays it all, the only difference is whether it shows up on your paycheck or not.
Imgfire
$100/mo single. Half that if not for the occasional cigar.
SmolTenk
Should probably also mention that it pays for my ADD meds and therapy without price hike. Which is nice.
bananaslippers
An occasional cigar doubled your rate? :|
ellavator
Tobacco users get surcharged heavily
SmolTenk
My rate wouldnt change, regardless of family. On the other hand, I get to smoke as many cigars as I want.
Imgfire
Yeah I just pay the $100 over the $50 in case they try to call me out on it if I get really hurt even though it's a rare thing
Briphill
My high Mark insurance gives an exception for an occasional cigar. I am in Pennsylvania
quartermcpounder
American here. MRI with insurance was quoted at 500$ after insurance paid. Idk what kind of bomb ass insurance you have. But damn. $10.
SilkySifaka
This
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
really? I just paid 800 for an ultrasound (also after insurance)
quartermcpounder
That’s just insane. I didn’t end up doing the MRI on my knee cause I can’t afford it obviously. That’s more than half my rent.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
Yeah, they told me my copay would only be 160 then more bills kept showing up :(
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
Also, I hope your knee's doing better
valen00
Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everybody. The NHS *does* work for everybody and is cheaper overall.
nofunatall
Everyone from foreign lands make it sound like none of us has healthcare.
spetcnaz
You are missing the point. I too have healthcare but overpaying and being under serviced is not OK. The US system is not sustainable
nofunatall
Wasn’t trying to start a war or brag about my insurance. Just wanted people to know that not every american goes bankrupt over a dr visit.
steve1907
Nonsense, virtually all the posts I see on here complaining about your healthcare system are made by Americans. Foreign lands my balls.
Surfette
I have seen foreigners telling me about out healthcare & how we let the poor die in the street.
Rifneno
I agree. Foreigners are too busy hyperboling gun violence to talk about health care.
steve1907
What does that possibly have to do with the point I was making? Don't you feel stupid trying to turn this into a discussion about guns?
JumboJimbobChills
If you genuinely believe you've got it the best that's cool. Stay where you are
Rifneno
1-I "genuinely believe" that imgur is retarded. Statistically speaking, choking is one of the leading causes of death for children while
Leolol1
How much does that cost you and how much does your employer cover? I have decent insurance too, but if I lost my job I'd be fucked.
stricklinsarah10
No. You would be quickly assimilated into Medicaid and receive all needed health care. This is literally what I do for a living.
Zcarsnarl
Thank you. Thank you very much.
demosthenes89
In my state an individual cannot have more than $2000 to qualify for Medicaid. You have to be real fucking poor before you qualify.
Leolol1
Aren't there still serious limitations on how much money you can have and I'm guessing 8ncome throughout the year? Its also an issue of 1/2
Leolol1
many employers not providing reasonable coverage options. You can have a job but be seriously underinsured. 2/2
ellavator
Yes Medicaid will take into account how much you have in assets. Savings, life insurance, retirement account, etc
Leolol1
Which is fair for what Medicaid is intended imo, but probably means I'd have to burn through almost all assets before qualifying.
gummyyummybear
I had a $60k thoracotomy to remove a lung. Paid $100. Premium is $300/mo for myself and my husband. Worth it.
Comradesjeltonarmy
And not everyone can afford that. That is the problem. Companies don't provide their employees proper insurance options. My parents are 1
RenegadeTQ
The mistake was putting the impetus on companies in the first place. It's not their responsibility.
bjorklund
Companies put it on themselves. In lieu of raises after WW2, companies started giving insurance instead. Them govt. started giving tax...
bjorklund
...breaks so more and more companies started providing health insurance to its employees. The govt is to blame again for subsidizing.
Comradesjeltonarmy
Both decently paid individuals but their health insurance offered them is abysmal. Also when half the country makes less than 35k a year 2
atrillionaliens
The median income is 59k. What are you smoking.
Comradesjeltonarmy
median and mean(average) are 2 very different metrics. Study your stats vocab. Median is the middle value of 2 equal halves mean uses all 1
Comradesjeltonarmy
300 a month isn't going to allow them to pay rent and other bills. Especially with how student loan debt is spiralled out of control.
atrillionaliens
Are you trying to mash the "has a degree" and "low end of the income bell curve" demographics together? lol?
bjorklund
Same here. Cost ~10k a year with $2k deductible. Most I’ve paid in a year since having the coverage (10yrs) was around $15k. 1/?
bjorklund
And that year my wife had a double mastectomy. Not everyone can afford it, I get that, but for everyone claiming Canada for example as ....
bjorklund
...having great healthcare, the “average” Canadian family will spend ~12k a year on public health care. Not to mention the crazy wait times.
GetAssista
US healthcare is twice as expensive as in other OECD countries, with less coverage, yet someone wants to adopt the model? You must be joking
Barbarian90001
@OP because the US free market healthcare effectively subsidizes the rest of the world's socialized/price controlled healthcare.
doctorcartman
That is simply wrong. On what basis do you state this?
BarefootScoundrel
I'd love to know too. Your medical companies, if anything, make the prices higher because they charge such premiums and are uncountable.
BarefootScoundrel
Plus, your companies are the very ones that are lobbying for an American system in every country with real healthcare.
Whwat
And spend a third of their budget on advertising. Fact.
LionSundress
The Australian government is trying to do the same to us, not many people can see it happening, but it is happening
hissyhausfrau5772
I can't see how anyone can NOT see what's going on right in front of us. Same goes for our welfare system. Raging.
LionSundress
Trying to apply for Centrelink, the amount of forms and shit needed. Wish I could afford to live without it
hissyhausfrau5772
Because this gov thinks it's ok to punish those who need support. The sooner we implement non-means tested basic income, the better.
FrogPaste
You're saying it from the wrong perspective. To them, it's "US Healthcare is twice as profitable as in other OECD countries? Let's adopt the
FrogPaste
model."
galadrl2meetu
Can we please have the angry emoji?
Thecynicalspud
Oh, the Australian government wants to do the same thing. Apparently the well-being of their constituents is not high on their agenda.
eroso
It's a good system for those to whom money is no issue - more high-end service providers for them.
Zugswang
And it's a great system for people who own companies that stand to make massive profits while delivering inferior care.
GodDamnedImmigrant
US insurance makes billionaires billionaires. Sure there are always those who want adopt it.
thoushaltnotpass
I'm sure it has the potential to make a few people very very wealthy.
sykoticflaw
Greed and absolute power over peoples' lives are a helluva drug.
Wowww7
Imagine how much easier it would be to pay rent and live if you didnt have all the monthly payments to insurance's you rarely use.
Zugswang
I mean, you'd still have increased taxes, but you definitely wouldn't have to shop around for plans, compare coverages, deductibles, etc...
eroso
With EU model, the extra taxes would total in less than 50% of what the costs used to be.
Zugswang
Even if the cost were the same, I imagine quality of care would be vastly superior to what the US has now.
SmolTenk
Depends on how you live. The other side is that I dont have to worry in case I get sick or injured. worth the 7.5% imho.
mushroom362
I pay $800+ a month for health insurance (me and spouse) that gives me a $5,000 deductible and only covers preventative care.
SmolTenk
With all due respect, how you guys have not yet taken your guns and hunted your policy makers to hell is beyond me.
PiGiSpi
I'm legit surprised there hasn't been more political assassination attempts.I guess schools are just easier to murder in
Wowww7
Agreed. There are 2 sides to the argument for sure.
SmolTenk
Besides, the insurance covers check ups, so how much it gets used is up to you, really.
Ares1632
Depends on the insurance. My insurance doesn't cover checkups or exams.
Sharklaserspewpew
More well checks and investment into compliance for htn and diabetes would lower cost :/
bootninja
the fact that checkups are covered isn't really very useful when it doesn't pay a dime til i hit my $5000 deductible
SmolTenk
What is a deductible?
bootninja
https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/deductible/
BarefootScoundrel
It's insane, right? The NHS actually got sued by Virgin a while ago for not playing along with the corporate cash grab.
Mekanismen
Oh, Richard Branson, Mr. Nice Guy
DaJoW
It lets politicians say they're lowering taxes.
BlueCanaryInTheOutlet
The system's not perfect but we use it for the same reason Americans are relatively conservative: we value individualism & self-sufficiency
TomBrokaw
So what happens when you get too sick to be self sufficient?
Sharklaserspewpew
Bootstraps or something...
BlueCanaryInTheOutlet
You die. Not saying I like the system, just pointing out the merits Americans see in it
datphone777365
Nah those are values companies and the greedy psychopaths that run them say we value so we don't see that real motivation behind it all is-
datphone777365
- greed and apathy. Its sad how well it works on your everyday blue collar conservative. Nothing like a compliment while they back stab ya.
BaronSpaghetti
We're not "relatively conservative" we just have two political options and they both suck.
PrincessLeliana
I mean, I'd literally be dead at least 3 times if not for the NHS, so can we like, not become a third world country like america please.
anotheroundplease
3x? Are you making toast while in the bath?
TheShusher
aznanimality
Shithole*
ghettoalpaca
Freedom to be a Shithole *
cupcakegrenade
The term "Third World" arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Communist Bloc.
danishjuggler21
If Trump has his way, the US won’t be aligned with NATO for much longer. Might be aligned with Russia, though.
PrincessLeliana
Yes, and nowadays the meaning has changed. Welcome to language/.
cupcakegrenade
yeah it means the the developing countries of Asia, Africa, and Latin America. still waiting on how it applies.
PrincessLeliana
It's a tongue in cheek joke about the countries current situation
LinkinPiper
I was down the road the Parkland shooting incident and helped serve the students protesters the week after. You’re not funny at all.
cupcakegrenade
it didn't come across as a joke. you should probably try being funny
Arcaik
It's funny how they got super mad on of that 3rd world joke. I don't know if it's a European joke, but I use to tell that a lot too.
canman24
They're just mad that would whoop all their asses and they know it. Had to save them fucks twice
downvotefairystar
Really, a 3rd world country. A little over dramatic are we?
jrellis462
And they're downvoting you for call them on Their hyperbole. As Is if you're the one saying outlandish things
PrincessLeliana
School shootings every other week, bankrupcy or death choice healthcare system, can't be who you want to be, yeah, seems pretty 3rd to me
cominginhot
also rap/hip hop
Arcaik
Don't forget: the imperial system and Fahrenheits ;)
ebap
Harsh much
JustABonelessAlien
Also a leading world superpower, most advanced and we'll funded military on the planet, home to some of the smartest humans to ever live...
ostris
Lol nice troll
downvotefairystar
We don't have school shootings as often as you think. The healtcare system was pretty decent till the govt. decided to eff it up.
mmurrbles
True did the math on average over the past decade 35 ppl died per year from school shootings. 12k people died last year in FL from drug ODs.
GodApollo
We do have a mass shooting like once a week tho.
vulbeaxvrrjndazdrbvjesv
In 2018, it’s 1.5/week actually. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html
clucja1
As of March 8th their has been 14 school shootings in the US in 2018. 1 is too much. 14 is likely more than people thinks it happens
Surfette
Lol into that, even NYT & WAPO point out why that's wrong.
downvotefairystar
Wrong. Included in those numbers are if someone commits suicide on school property when children aren't present.
vulbeaxvrrjndazdrbvjesv
1.5/week actually. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html
SnugglesaurusRex
Please for the love of god learn facts. They exist. You're spouting absolute nonsense, and no one should have to take the time to teach you.
downvotefairystar
At least I don't have to wait a year to have surgery.
PrincessLeliana
At least I don't have to sell my house so I can not die
frstbyte112
We're the only country on Earth with the human right to free speech. You can be literally anyone here. You're obviously just stupid
Mekanismen
Holy motherfucking shit you cannot be serious. Have you ever even left your home town?
Iheartnishiki
https://rsf.org/en/ranking
canman24
That's definitely a fucked list. South Africa? Where they are killing and stealing white farmers land because they are white? Seriously?
TerryCruise
Shhhh. They don't like facts.