1471 pts · November 15, 2012
It makes me so sad that to you “utopia” is just government regulation of capitalism and not the elimination of the capitalist system entirely
Ppl say Stalin was a monster but if we’re honest what he did to capitalists is what America should have done to confederates.
you say as the United States has more prisoners now than the gulags collectively had in their entire lifespan. You are so dumb you could not pour water from a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
Lazy and greedy don’t matter any more than they do in any business that exists now. Even less so bc if your boss is greedy then you can’t do anything about it. If you think that lazy and greedy ppl “ruin” communism you don’t understand communism.
I did. You incorrectly described communism as something that doesn’t work bc ppl are greedy
It’s ironic you talk about commie being a bad word while regurgitating what is an absolutely incorrect understanding of communism. Communism is about the workers controlling the means of production, instead of a factory having an owner and stockholders, the people who work in the factory collectively own the factory and vote on how it should run, there’s no expectation of magical self sacrifice
Ppl really be on here going “no the Washington generals would beat those globe trotters if they just played fair”
Yes after the liberal party had Rosa Luxembourg murdered. Also both parties were initially sympathetic to Hitler. No one lifted a finger to punish the us companies that worked with the Nazis. The army even had orders to avoid bombing the ford factories, so much so that the Germans would shelter in the ford factories when the bombers came. It’s collaboration by permission
Also that magic wand would have been repealing the filibuster with a simple majority, using reconciliation to continue Covid payments and not allowing the parliamentarian an unelected individual that they can fire at any time to block the raising of the minimum wage.
Are you forgetting Obama who brought a watered down health bill that was drafted by the heritage foundation? Or the dnc who in court after having been legally proven to have rigged the primary against Bernie said that they have no obligation to be fair as they’re a private entity. Or Biden who allowed Covid protections that had totally ended child poverty to expire purely bc his corporate overlords whined that no one wanted to work? Maybe blue maga is the problem.
The senate could at any time simply change the filibuster with the nuclear option. It requires only 51 votes. Democrats claim they dont do this bc then if republicans get power they can pass whatever they want, which 1. is an amazing way of telling your electorate that you plan on losing, and 2. maybe not a concern if they actually did what their voters wanted. The most dangerous idea for democracy is believing that capitalists and democracy can co exist and democrats are all capitalists
Democrats counter this notion by mostly doing fuckall when elected. I absolutely understand and agree with ppl who vote for democrats as harm reduction but let’s not pretend it’s the republicans who have convinced voters to be apathetic to democrats when democrats have worked to actively suppress popular candidates and fail to improve their voters material conditions bc for some reason democrat politicians I guess see it as “crass” just outright doing things for their voters
Bad news, the democrats…also fascists. Never forget that Hitler wasn’t voted into power, he was given power by Hindenburg, the electee of the liberal party, bc liberals will always side with fascists to save capitalism
“Cede ground to them? Why they’re us!”
And as far as restrictions on leaving the us does a very similar thing albeit more subtly. Us university is so expensive bc debt slavery is an excellent way to prevent brain drain. The majority of your populace who are educated but not in the top percent of wealth are mostly forced to stay as debt is leveraged against all of their assets and stops them gathering the funds to leave.
Do you think that because they lost the war the Nazis disappeared? When the confederacy lost the war a famous actor assassinated the president of the United States in an insane conspiracy so his confederate sympathetic vp could take over, the legacy of the confederacy lived on in share cropping, Jim Crow, segregation and even urban development. The us had no interest in prosecuting Nazis bc they wanted them to fight the ussr.
So either thr Cold War ended in 1945 or through the duration of the Cold War most of the world wasn’t actually fighting communism
So the whole world fought against communism when exactly? Not ww2, and I guess for some reason not when China became communist, so when?
Also wrong, the ussr did use their neighbors resources but absolutely built those places up, it’s not comparable at all bc the us after ww2 only leaves behind craters and bodies. Also you seem to be forgetting slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation where the us absolutely kept ppl in. Ppl move to the us bc it has a lot of money, not bc it’s more free or less evil. Look at the last 50 years. How has the us improved its citizens lives? Spending their money on forever wars, and crushing unions.
In 1 year the United States kills more ppl crossing the southern border than the ussr did in the entire history of the wall, so tell me who is more evil, the country that wants to retain the wealthy that they educated at great cost, or the country that keeps out the poor so they can get cheaper slave labor from those they let in?
Lots of black ppl absolutely did move to the ussr until they restricted movement bc the us constantly sending in saboteurs. The wall was primarily to keep people out bc all the fascists in Germany didn’t magically disappear. People didn’t want to leave because of how oppressive the government was, they wanted to leave bc the ussr gave them a free education and the us could pay much better. The workers were never the ones wanting to leave, doctors and scientists and the type who wanted more mony
You’d build a wall if spies and saboteurs were constantly sent into your country, and as far was walls go, it’s not like the us has had a massive system of surveillance and armed guards to constantly capture brown ppl the us has left destitute through its trade policy, with more wall than was ever built by the ussr, but of course the USA will say “this isn’t us” as both parties quietly vote to build more surveillance and more wall
I’m holding the ussr to the same standards that the USA is held to. The USA is always judged for what it aspires to, and when they don’t live up to it, it’s a mistake or not reflective of their values, but the ussr is only judged on outcomes and not on aspirations, which is insane bc the USA has been nearly constantly at war with poorest countries on earth for 70 years, and the amount of ppl that have died from lack of housing and healthcare is more than any great purge.
So when you say the whole world tried to stop “communism” you mean like only before 1945 or what?
What does Amy of that have to do with the whole world supposedly fighting communism?
And now modern day Poland has one of the biggest wealth inequalities in Europe with the poor turning to fascism , homophobia and racism
You can look at the accounts of ppl who lived in the ussr. You can’t just say “everything and everyone is lying” there is a reason ppl in the ussr and east Germany that lived under communism wish for it to return. And what you really mean is your friends and uncle got a free education from socialism and decided to move somewhere else so they could make more money. the solidarity movement was funded by the United States as a color revolution, poland only avoided disaster due to western money
One party to multi party is not a referendum on communism, likewise the poll is not of ppl who experienced communism. You’re more than welcome to dislike a single party but even the ussr was not dictatorial, with even cia documents admitting Stalin was the leader of a team but not having absolute power. A strong party is necessary because as time has proven again and again the other parties will be hijacked by capitalism.
All the rights workers have in other countries arose bc of communist and socialist movements. They are not a function of capitalism. Thats the reason they don’t have for profit prisons is bc they push back against the capitalist class. The capitalist class is like an acid and will always dissolve whatever barriers are before it to pursue profit. It must be eliminated or soon other nations will have for profit prisons and healthcare
Sorry but getting your history from American red scare propaganda is like learning about the civil war from the kkk
It makes me so sad that to you “utopia” is just government regulation of capitalism and not the elimination of the capitalist system entirely
Ppl say Stalin was a monster but if we’re honest what he did to capitalists is what America should have done to confederates.
you say as the United States has more prisoners now than the gulags collectively had in their entire lifespan.
You are so dumb you could not pour water from a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
Lazy and greedy don’t matter any more than they do in any business that exists now. Even less so bc if your boss is greedy then you can’t do anything about it. If you think that lazy and greedy ppl “ruin” communism you don’t understand communism.
I did. You incorrectly described communism as something that doesn’t work bc ppl are greedy
It’s ironic you talk about commie being a bad word while regurgitating what is an absolutely incorrect understanding of communism. Communism is about the workers controlling the means of production, instead of a factory having an owner and stockholders, the people who work in the factory collectively own the factory and vote on how it should run, there’s no expectation of magical self sacrifice
Ppl really be on here going “no the Washington generals would beat those globe trotters if they just played fair”
Yes after the liberal party had Rosa Luxembourg murdered. Also both parties were initially sympathetic to Hitler. No one lifted a finger to punish the us companies that worked with the Nazis. The army even had orders to avoid bombing the ford factories, so much so that the Germans would shelter in the ford factories when the bombers came. It’s collaboration by permission
Also that magic wand would have been repealing the filibuster with a simple majority, using reconciliation to continue Covid payments and not allowing the parliamentarian an unelected individual that they can fire at any time to block the raising of the minimum wage.
Are you forgetting Obama who brought a watered down health bill that was drafted by the heritage foundation? Or the dnc who in court after having been legally proven to have rigged the primary against Bernie said that they have no obligation to be fair as they’re a private entity. Or Biden who allowed Covid protections that had totally ended child poverty to expire purely bc his corporate overlords whined that no one wanted to work? Maybe blue maga is the problem.
The senate could at any time simply change the filibuster with the nuclear option. It requires only 51 votes. Democrats claim they dont do this bc then if republicans get power they can pass whatever they want, which 1. is an amazing way of telling your electorate that you plan on losing, and 2. maybe not a concern if they actually did what their voters wanted.
The most dangerous idea for democracy is believing that capitalists and democracy can co exist and democrats are all capitalists
Democrats counter this notion by mostly doing fuckall when elected.
I absolutely understand and agree with ppl who vote for democrats as harm reduction but let’s not pretend it’s the republicans who have convinced voters to be apathetic to democrats when democrats have worked to actively suppress popular candidates and fail to improve their voters material conditions bc for some reason democrat politicians I guess see it as “crass” just outright doing things for their voters
Bad news, the democrats…also fascists. Never forget that Hitler wasn’t voted into power, he was given power by Hindenburg, the electee of the liberal party, bc liberals will always side with fascists to save capitalism
“Cede ground to them? Why they’re us!”
And as far as restrictions on leaving the us does a very similar thing albeit more subtly. Us university is so expensive bc debt slavery is an excellent way to prevent brain drain. The majority of your populace who are educated but not in the top percent of wealth are mostly forced to stay as debt is leveraged against all of their assets and stops them gathering the funds to leave.
Do you think that because they lost the war the Nazis disappeared? When the confederacy lost the war a famous actor assassinated the president of the United States in an insane conspiracy so his confederate sympathetic vp could take over, the legacy of the confederacy lived on in share cropping, Jim Crow, segregation and even urban development. The us had no interest in prosecuting Nazis bc they wanted them to fight the ussr.
So either thr Cold War ended in 1945 or through the duration of the Cold War most of the world wasn’t actually fighting communism
So the whole world fought against communism when exactly? Not ww2, and I guess for some reason not when China became communist, so when?
Also wrong, the ussr did use their neighbors resources but absolutely built those places up, it’s not comparable at all bc the us after ww2 only leaves behind craters and bodies. Also you seem to be forgetting slavery, Jim Crow, and segregation where the us absolutely kept ppl in. Ppl move to the us bc it has a lot of money, not bc it’s more free or less evil. Look at the last 50 years. How has the us improved its citizens lives? Spending their money on forever wars, and crushing unions.
In 1 year the United States kills more ppl crossing the southern border than the ussr did in the entire history of the wall, so tell me who is more evil, the country that wants to retain the wealthy that they educated at great cost, or the country that keeps out the poor so they can get cheaper slave labor from those they let in?
Lots of black ppl absolutely did move to the ussr until they restricted movement bc the us constantly sending in saboteurs. The wall was primarily to keep people out bc all the fascists in Germany didn’t magically disappear. People didn’t want to leave because of how oppressive the government was, they wanted to leave bc the ussr gave them a free education and the us could pay much better. The workers were never the ones wanting to leave, doctors and scientists and the type who wanted more mony
You’d build a wall if spies and saboteurs were constantly sent into your country, and as far was walls go, it’s not like the us has had a massive system of surveillance and armed guards to constantly capture brown ppl the us has left destitute through its trade policy, with more wall than was ever built by the ussr, but of course the USA will say “this isn’t us” as both parties quietly vote to build more surveillance and more wall
I’m holding the ussr to the same standards that the USA is held to. The USA is always judged for what it aspires to, and when they don’t live up to it, it’s a mistake or not reflective of their values, but the ussr is only judged on outcomes and not on aspirations, which is insane bc the USA has been nearly constantly at war with poorest countries on earth for 70 years, and the amount of ppl that have died from lack of housing and healthcare is more than any great purge.
So when you say the whole world tried to stop “communism” you mean like only before 1945 or what?
What does Amy of that have to do with the whole world supposedly fighting communism?
And now modern day Poland has one of the biggest wealth inequalities in Europe with the poor turning to fascism , homophobia and racism
You can look at the accounts of ppl who lived in the ussr. You can’t just say “everything and everyone is lying” there is a reason ppl in the ussr and east Germany that lived under communism wish for it to return.
And what you really mean is your friends and uncle got a free education from socialism and decided to move somewhere else so they could make more money.
the solidarity movement was funded by the United States as a color revolution, poland only avoided disaster due to western money
One party to multi party is not a referendum on communism, likewise the poll is not of ppl who experienced communism.
You’re more than welcome to dislike a single party but even the ussr was not dictatorial, with even cia documents admitting Stalin was the leader of a team but not having absolute power. A strong party is necessary because as time has proven again and again the other parties will be hijacked by capitalism.
All the rights workers have in other countries arose bc of communist and socialist movements. They are not a function of capitalism. Thats the reason they don’t have for profit prisons is bc they push back against the capitalist class. The capitalist class is like an acid and will always dissolve whatever barriers are before it to pursue profit. It must be eliminated or soon other nations will have for profit prisons and healthcare
Sorry but getting your history from American red scare propaganda is like learning about the civil war from the kkk