Psychological experiments gone horribly wrong

Nov 3, 2013 2:04 AM

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Stanford prison experiment

In 1971, social psychologist Philip Zimbardo set out to interrogate the ways in which people conform to social roles, using a group of male college students to take part in a two-week-long experiment in which they would live as prisoners and guards in a mock prison. However, having selected his test subjects, Zimbardo assigned them their roles without their knowledge, unexpectedly arresting the "prisoners" outside their own homes. The results were disturbing. Ordinary college students turned into viciously sadistic guards or spineless (and increasingly distraught) prisoners, becoming deeply enmeshed within the roles they were playing. After just six days, the distressing reality of this "prison" forced Zimbardo to prematurely end the experiment.

The monster study

In this study, conducted in 1939, 22 orphaned children, 10 with stutters, were separated equally into two groups: one with a speech therapist who conducted "positive" therapy by praising the children’s progress and fluency of speech; the other with a speech therapist who openly chastised the children for the slightest mistake. The results showed that the children who had received negative responses were badly affected in terms of their psychological health. Yet more bad news was to come as it was later revealed that some of the children who had previously been unaffected developed speech problems following the experiment. In 2007, six of the orphan children were awarded $925,000 in compensation for emotional damage that the six-month-study had left them with.

MK-Ultra

The CIA performed many unethical experiments into mind control and psychology under the banner of project MK-ULTRA during the 50s and 60s. Theodore Kaczynski, otherwise known as the Unabomber, is reported to have been a test subject in the CIA's disturbing experiments, which may have contributed to his mental instability. In another case, the administration of LSD to US Army biological weapons expert Frank Olson is thought to have sparked a crisis of conscience, inspiring him to tell the world about his research. Instead, Olson is said to have committed suicide, jumping from a thirteenth-story hotel room window, although there is strong evidence that he was murdered. This doesn't even touch on the long-term psychological damage other test subjects are likely to have suffered.

Elephant on LSD

In 1962, Warren Thomas, the director of Lincoln Park Zoo in Oklahoma City, injected an elephant named Tusko with 3,000 times the typical human dose of LSD. It was an attempt to make his mark on the scientific community by determining whether the drug could induce "musth" — the aggressiveness and high hormone levels that male elephants experience periodically. The only contribution Thomas made was to create a public relations disaster as Tusko died almost immediately after collapsing and going into convulsions.

Milgram experiment

In 1963, in the wake of the atrocities of the Holocaust, Stanley Milgram set out to test the hypothesis that there was something special about the German people that had allowed them to participate in genocide. Under the pretense of an experiment into human learning, Milgram asked normal members of the public to ask questions to a man attached to an electric-shock generator and shock him in increasing measure when he answered incorrectly. The man was an actor, the shocks fake; but the participants didn’t know this. The terrifying part? People overwhelmingly obeyed the commands of the experimenter, even when the man screamed in apparent agony and begged for mercy. A little evil in all of us, perhaps?

Tony LaMadrid

Many medicated schizophrenics enrolled in a University of California study that required them to stop taking their medication in a program that started in 1983. The study was meant to give information that would allow doctors to better treat schizophrenia, but rather it messed up the lives of many of the test subjects, 90% of whom relapsed into episodes of mental illness. One participant, Tony LaMadrid, leaped to his death from a rooftop six years after first enrolling in the study.

Pit of despair

Psychologist Harry Harlow was obsessed with the concept of love, but rather than writing poems or love songs, he performed sick, twisted experiments on monkeys during the 1970s. One of his experiments revolved around confining the monkeys in total isolation in an apparatus he called the "well of despair” (a featureless, empty chamber depriving the animal of any stimulus or socialization) — which resulted in his subjects going insane and even starving themselves to death in two cases. Harlow ignored the criticism of his colleagues, and is quoted as saying, “How could you love monkeys?” The last laugh was on him, however, as his horrific treatment of his subjects is acknowledged as being a driving force behind the development of the animal rights movement and the end of such cruel experiments.

The third wave

Running along a similar theme similar to the Milgram experiment, The Third Wave, carried out in 1967, was an experiment that set out to explore the ways in which even democratic societies can become infiltrated by the appeal of fascism. Using a class of high school students, the experimenter created a system whereby some students were considered members of a prestigious order. The students showed increased motivation to learn, yet, more worryingly, became eager to get on board with malevolent practices, such as excluding and ostracizing non-members from the class. Even more scarily, this behavior was gleefully continued outside of the classroom. After just four days, the experiment was considered to be slipping out of control and was ceased.

Homosexual aversion therapy

In the 1960s homosexuality was frequently depicted as a mental illness, with many individuals seeking (voluntarily or otherwise) a way to "cure" themselves of their sexual attraction to members of the same sex. Experimental therapies at the time included aversion therapy — where homosexual images were paired with such things as electric shocks and injections that caused vomiting. The thought was that the patient would associate pain with homosexuality. Rather than "curing" homosexuality, these experiments profoundly psychologically damaged the patients, with at least one man dying from the “treatment” he received, after he went into a coma.

David Reimer

In 1966, when David Reimer was 8 months old, his circumcision was botched and he lost his penis to burns. Psychologist John Money suggested that baby David be given a sex change. The parents agreed, but what they didn’t know was that Money secretly wanted to use David as part of an experiment to prove his views that gender identity was not inborn, but rather determined by nature and upbringing. David was renamed Brenda, surgically altered to have a vagina, and given hormonal supplements — but tragically the experiment backfired. "Brenda" acted like a stereotypical boy throughout childhood, and the Reimer family began to fall apart. At 14, Brenda was told the truth, and decided to go back to being David. He committed suicide at the age of 38.

The scientist in me says this is awesome/fascinating. The humanitarian in me is horrified.

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Now read up on the The Third Wave experiment and compare it to the behaviour of internet communities. Or some other groups for that matter.

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Yay psychology! But seriously this is why we have laws about this stuff now

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wow, i didnt even know all of this stuff!!

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In 1970, a school segregated students based on eye colour. The results were very interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeK759FF84s

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The Milgram experiment was just revealed as a sham. Basically subjects knew it was a set up, or refused to increase the shock. 1/2 (link)

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Source: http://brainz.org/10-psychological-experiments-went-horribly-wrong/

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first of all THANK YOU second of all MORE please :)

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fuckin thank you for putting the actual source

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For more on the harlow experiments go to thisamericanlife.org

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I'd also recommend a cool book called Elephants on Acid that has a few more of these. Crazy stuff.

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Milgram's work on obediance to authority is one of the greatest in the history of psychology but I agree it was ethically questionable.

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As a sociology student who studied each one of these cases in depth, these descriptions are all slightly inaccurate. Lol

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And then Zimbardo married his "very special" grad student who worked on the Stanford prison experiment with/under him.

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I don't 'like' this, but upvote for an interesting post.

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interesting response coming from a user named "genocidal".

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"The Wave" is a great film about the 3rd wave. Highly recommended

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Very highly recommended!

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The worst are the most well known ironically, many being quite informative alongside their unethical practices.

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Like having Sigmund Freud as the one Psychologist everyone remembers... He is just one of the most controversial and is highly discredited.

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As a Psych major, it drives me bananas how most professors only talk about those men who laid the foundation over and over again.

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EXACTLY. Or how if you tell anybody you are doing Psych they say "Oh Freud Freud Freud, you can read minds and wanna sleep with your mother"

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On the daily someone will ask me if I read minds or if I am performing some kind of psychoanalysis on them. Nigga, I don't have the time.

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There is actually a quite good German film called "Die Welle" which is about an experiment very similar to the one of "The Third Wave".

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Wonderful film 'Die Welle' about The Wave. Worrying stuff. Highly recommended.

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The Reimer Case, or John/Joan, is an interesting but tragic read. http://psy2.ucsd.edu/~mgorman/Colapinto.pdf

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Moral of the story: Don't fuck with people's heads

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Like Flogging Molly says "don't fuck with my head!"

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Or bodies.

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indeed

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I second this. And third it. And fourth it. Support, my friend.

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The Stanford prison experiment told us what would happen with Abu Ghraib but did we remember our history? Nooooooo....

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I would recommend Phillip Zimbardo's book, "The Lucifer Effect". It chronicles the Stanford Prison Experiment in frightening detail.

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Watch the German movie Das Experiment on the same topic it's brilliant.

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I have not seen the american version, but i can without a doubt das experiment was an amazing film, very eye opening and a little disturbing

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I love that movie, thanks Netflix!

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burns? dont they use a knife?

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I'm assuming it was the cauterization that was "botched." The practice of sealing open wounds with fire or hot metal.

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The Third Wave picture is inaccurate. From 1892-1942 the Bellamy Salute (aka fascist salute) was used when saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

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The Bellamy Salute wasn't a fascist salute - it was just identical to a later salute adopted by the Italian and German fascists.

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That's just some ordinary school kids

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The kids DO look a bit too young to be in high school...

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They're probably elementary schoolers

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Good call there.

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No Tuskegee Syphilis Study that pretty much led to the creation of the Belmont Report? The Belmont Report has three main principles that (1)

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(2) guide experiments now: 1. Respect for participants, 2. Beneficence (max benefits while minimizing harm), and 3. Justice (fair (2)

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3,000 times the typical human dose of LSD. WHAT THE FUCK DID HE EXPECT

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right before he shot the elephant he worried the dosage wouldnt be enough so he added more. bad sciencing lad

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Third Wave was not really intended to be malicious. I learned about it in HS, very enlightining.

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Sometimes bad things happen from good intentions.

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The Wave, was a movie based off of the study, its awesome. Creepy and crazy as shit but awesome. I recommend it.

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I watched it and it was great. Die Welle (In German) I believe the "third wave study" was originally conducted in California

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There was also a made for TV movie about it, and apparently a musical from what I've read on Wikipedia.

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it was intended as a school project wasn't it? I watched the "based on the true story" movie

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MK-Ultra is also a great Muse song.

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Invisible to all, the mind becomes a wall, of history deleted in one stroke, How much deception can you take? How many lies will you create?

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Psychology was mad science the longest of any science.

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They put the "Psycho" in "Psychology".

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Is*

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i'm pretty sure medical science was mad science the longest of any science.

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This sentence was doesnt make sense sentence

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was?

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Was?

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Wat?

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He's saying psychology was practiced by what you might consider "mad scientists" longer than any other form of science.

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Mostly because humans have so little respect for the mind and are thus easily manipulated

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I didn't ask for a reason glumer

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god damn it liquid i'm tired and i like giving reasons to things because it sparks lively discussions

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Some of these cases are also sociological experiments, but the two scientific disciplines seem to overlap.

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I think they are more social psychology than sociology. I've only taken an introductory sociology course, though.

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Sociology is essentially just group psychology and dynamics. You can't really have one without the other.

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As a psychology student: Yep. But nowadays they are much stricter about experiments. You're not even supposed to lie to your subjects.

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I mean you can use deception (it's necessary sometimes) but you've just gotta come clean asap when it's all done. Like in the asch paradigm.

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Pshhh... They took all the fun out of psychology.

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Every researcher sighs when they have to apply for ethics clearance. But we're still glad we have to.

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Wat.

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PLACEBO EFFECT is when your given suger pills instead of painkillers to see if the pain is in your mind, however things have changed still.

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I know what a placebo effect is, but I have no idea what you were trying to say.

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Doing my Dissertation, trust me the paperwork you have to do now to do anything is really long and tedious because of this background.

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You're not even supposed to call them "subjects" - only the term "participants" is allowed.

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But that dear friend is why we have the magic of debrief forms xD

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"Supposed to"

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You can lie but have to tell them the truth after the experiment is done.

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You can mislead/omit information if you can justify it.

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that is what debriefs are for

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as a psychologist: this is why the science of psychology took so long to develop. Still is really.

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None of this stuff would get through an ethics committee nowadays. But a milder version of the Milgrim experiement was repeated recently.

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Shut up, Meg.

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As someone studying weapon bias, finding a way to lie without lying has been a pain in my rear end.

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False. You often have to lie to participants in order to prevent getting biased data. Within limits, of course. Gotta love review boards

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You can lie subjects but you just have to debrief them afterwards.

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I was just summarizing for the sake of keeping it under 140.

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Don't you have to have consent for the use of deception and afterwards brief the participants on the use of it?

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Yes, but if the deception could cause emotional trauma you can't. It's all up to the IRB.

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Oh yeah, but psychology is still pretty damn cool. Its why I'm concentrating on it in the criminal justice field.

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David's story is tragic :(

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It's horrifying.

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It's Brenda

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The one with the monkeys are worse by a lot...

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The story is even crazier. Once his brother found out, it threw him into a psychotic shock and developed schizophrenia. David went on (1/2)

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To get married but once his marriage fell apart and his brother died, he committed suicide. You have to feel for the parents. (2/2)

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That story is actually the reason my brothers are uncircumcised. Weird fact of the day.

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lucky guys!

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They're all fucking tragic. That's the point. Did you only read the last one?

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And the worst part is that it was all for nothing and the psychologist was wrong.

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I think Law and Order SVU had an episode based off of this story.

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I've only seen L&O a handful of times, and i've seen this ep. it freaked me out bad.

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And they had one similar to the Milgram experiment.

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They did!

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I had to watch that documentary in a sociology class. Great documentary indeed

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What was sociology's view of it ?

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the doc. was neutral on the topic but the discussion favored more towards the idea of gender roles not being nature & upbringing determined

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^Talks about sweet documentary I'd watch, doesn't give you the name of it

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B...But I would actually have to look for it ! UUUUGH

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Google lead me to 'Dr. Money And The Boy With No Penis'.

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Say no to circumcision .

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+1

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Fuck that, uncircumcised penises are creepy looking.

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I like mine well enough, and so does my girlfriend. So thanks for that you bigoted asshole :)

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You're welcome, I'm sure she would enjoy mine more ;)

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haha, I seriously doubt that ;)

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It's physical abuse . it's genital mutilation .

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Yet many still strongly believe in nurture > nature and tries to prove it with bs like that.

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i think both have an effect, the mistake is thinking it has to be one or the other.

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The current teaching is that its almost 50/50, although teaching tends to be a ways behind current opinion

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Most people agree that gender identity is heavily determined by nature. This is backed by evidence of brain structure differences in...

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...transgender people, where MTF transsexuals have similar brains to cisgender women and FTMs to cisgender men.

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It's shocking how many people who know about the Brenda story are unaware how tormented he was and that he committed suicide

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I've had many school teachers claiming, completely unrelatedly, that it is scientifically proven fact. All have been feminists, of course.

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Same can be said with nature > nurture and still believe in things such as the born criminal by Lombroso

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The parents knew he was a boy and treated him as such.

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Why the downvotes? I think that's a valid possibility that's impossible to control

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Right, unless you could somehow not tell the parents. You'd think of all communities, the progressive people on imgur could understand (1)

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(or at least be open to) the extent to which gender is programmed into us socially. (2)

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Psychology and mental health has a very, very long and dark history. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Biology is fucked up too. But at least useful.

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did a research paper on Asylums in Victorian times, a lot of times, people with mental illness were considered less than human.

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Sadly, yes. And this is only the stuff we know about.

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The health industry in general has a dark history.

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I met Zimbardo and two of the participants. Zimbardo was the only one who remembered it as a "seriously dark experience"

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Yup. This reminds me of the Russian Sleep Experiment creepypasta. I'd go so far as to say that's the second darkest thing I've ever read.

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Why did I just read it! Going back to sleep right now.

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^

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I have to repeat this a lot to ppl when they wonder why some find it hard to ask or seek help or admit they have some sort of issue....

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I met Zimbardo and two of the participants. Zimbardo was the only one who remembered it as a "seriously dark experience"

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One of the participants didn't know that it had become such a big deal, the other said he was happy to provide insight into the human psyche

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... It can all be explained by looking at the history.

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Also, there is a big difference between therapy and clinical psychology in the modern era. But the stigmas remain.

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There is a great German movie about the prison experiment. In German it's called "Das Experiment". I don't know if it was dubbed in English.

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Yes, there's also an American movie from 2010. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997152

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There was also a BBC documentary where they attempted to re-run the experiment.

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Some of these are fantastically inaccurate.

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Highly dramatized for entertainment purposes, and people downvote -you-? Crazy.

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Which ones?

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Sorry you got downvoted, but if you are going to make a statement like that, elaborate and explain the inaccuracies you point out.

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"JDIrrelevant: Some of these are fantastically inaccurate." My question: "Which ones?" Clearer now?

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Sad that you get downvoated to trying to stop people from believe idiotic things...sigh. I can only offset their ignorance by +1 for you.

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The Milgram shock experiments were less about inherent evil in humanity, and more about our willingness to follow authority figures.

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Yes! AND he did similar tests where the "shockers" were able to see and were even in same room as the "subject". Less would push the button.

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And German people actualy showed more compassion to the subject and refused to continue experiment sooner than others. Main part forgotten..

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There was a TED talk about that, I think called "the Lucifer effect"

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Also neglected to mention how freaked out people were when they realized what they'd done in hindsight

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Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

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I think the takeaway was sometimes what we believe to be evil is just people following authority figures.

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Wasn't the experiment even titled something along the lines of "Obedience to Authority?"

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It's also interesting because it goes into thoughts of dereliction of duty and how commanding officers (1/2)

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must make tough choices in the field of reprimands. Such reprimands being severe as capital punishment/execution.

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Yep. The conclusion was that soldiers likely externalized the guilt of committing atrocities onto their commanding officers.

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They fail to mention there was also an incentive, and to get it they had to go the whole way.

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I think he misrepresented his data though.

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I was also surprised this made the list

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Its an interesting study about how humans are more sheep and when put in the situation, we would generally react along those lines.

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Thank you for pointing this out.

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The data always quoted on the experiment is misleading as well, as it is the highest compliance rate out of several groups.

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It was also conducted on students and not random members of the public because he was not a magician.

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The results were also doctored.

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People also forget that Milgram debriefed all of his subjects and checked on them even after the experiment.

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There is actually a really interesting documentary on it. Look it up :)

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also, our inborn curiosity.

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Debunked. I'll leave this here. https://soundcloud.com/dnto/debunking-the-milgram

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And it didn't go 'horribly wrong' at all- Milgram's findings were shocking, but they weren't entirely unexpected.

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They were pretty damn unexpected... That's why it's so famous. Also "shocking"... Nice.

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Yeah, I think when they said "wrong" they meant unethical, but they way they wrote it was unclear. Nice username, too!

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"shocking" tee hee

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Haha I hadn't even noticed!

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Awesome name haha, I wish i had thought of it first

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They were completely unexpected. A poll of 40 psychiatrists expected 0.1% would complete the experiment, and it turned out to be 65%

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I mean that Milgram anticipated results in line with his findings, except no one could predict how drastic the results would be.

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Ah, fair enough. Side note: how the hell did I not notice your username earlier? Clever, gave me a chuckle. :)

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Why thank you! It's nice to be relevant, doesn't happen often :)

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This. Especially if the person in charge often reassures the test subject that no permanent damage will happen and if they don't continue1/2

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the test will be incomplete. These people were putting their trust in the person in charge.2/2

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yes it was an experiment to investigate obedience, they were also being paid

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So were German soldiers. It's pretty standard to receive payment for psychological studies.

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When the Discovery Channel repeated the experiment 40 years later the results differed in that people showed much more concern than before.

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SOURCE and episode on the Discovery Channel; http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/videos/the-milgram-experiment.htm

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1/ It's not even about Authority figures. In the experiment, they were told that the person gving the commands to shock the person would

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2/ take full blame and responsibility. It's more about the willingness to do an inherently negative task without being blamed for it.

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that is called following the commands of an authority figure. Milgram went into the experiment with the intent to understand the holocaust

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I'm pretty sure they haven't been able to replicate his findingsveither, so it doesn't hold true either way. Brb, looking for source on this

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Not sure if a podcast is a good source but RadioLab do really thorough research - http://www.radiolab.org/story/180092-the-bad-show/

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Nope. Similar results when done in 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcvSNg0HZwk

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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124838091 interesting documentary I saw a while back.

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The results can be replicated, but: APA says you can't run this experiment anymore, & exposure to the original alters the results

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Ran out of room before I could fit in "in its entirety". Still, fascinating stuff, no?

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Yeah I was annoyed at how they didn't make that clear, that was pretty much the entire point of the study. (1/2)

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(1/2) If you listen to the recordings, you can even hear the test subjects begging not to have to shock the guy any more.

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Uhh sorry that's wrong. In the experiment there were a few people who "begged" to stop around halfway through and were allowed to leave

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Not true the percentage of people who followed orders to shock someone to death is much higher than those who refused to

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actual recordings though. 3

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They went through with it but only after most of them protested against it. They had a script of only 4 things they could say to keep them 1

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going but supposedly those weren't always followed and they claim the people were basically forced to continue on. Haven't heard the 2

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1/2 1/2!? This is going to be the final push that breaks my sanity.

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Read it as half :)

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I like the cut of your jib.

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would you happen to have a link to the recordings? I heard that a few times but I'd like to see first hand proof.

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thanks. :)

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There were 4 set responses for people who question to stop and if the subject kept asking after those 4 the experiment would stop. 3

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I've heard that milgram broke protocol and went much further than those set responses but I havent' seen actual evidence which would be nice

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and he said no I have a choice and i chose to stop. And it cuts to milgram saying for some people it was as simple as that to stop. 2

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uh... actually nothing in that video shows the participants begging to stop. They just asked and the guy said no you have to continue 1

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