Reminds me of how the British first found out about Peenemunde. MI6 literally received a pile of beermats with notes scribbled on them. A female british agent was charming the pants off an SS officer in a pub.
This also feels close to "He made the classic mistake: He forgot thath hot Russian women usually don't REALLY want to talk about nuclear secrets with their tits out."
Fun fact: you don’t have to be female, and your target doesn’t have to be male, for this to work. Blaming it on mansplaining is more fun than referring to it as Cunningham’s law, I suppose.
funny thing is this exact post was attached to another post about Cunningham's law. https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3mdcrbbjklk2f I read it this morning on then saw it here and had to question where I just saw this.
I'm a bit sad at the war thunder thing. I honestly thought that the info leaked were actually under lock and key and actually required someone to either hack the databases or use their access to "steal" the info.
Turns out, the documents are free to be purchased online but only if you're a citizen. So this is a case of "someone bought the documents legally and then posted it in a forum viewable by ppl who arent supposed to, making it illegal"....way less cool and punk
I know that one case was just that (posting from a purchased manual).
But I thought a few of them were also people that worked on various equipment, or had access to those manuals through work (or military service), and posted things from those manuals, or personal experience, that they shouldn't have.
I remember a similar post about getting answers on Reddit, where instead of asking a question they'd confidently state a wrong opinion and they'd get more correct responses than if they just asked a question.
hilariously only when Grok is correcting whatever bullshit Musk is spewing before they take it back and lobotomized it (then it would keep bringing up white genocide in unrelated topics)
A few years back, my company had an intelligence agent come give us some training about security, especially in international travel. One of the best parts of his presentation was this: “guys, when you are travelling, no matter where, you are EXACTLY as attractive as you are here. If that woman wouldn’t come up to talk to you at a bar at home, she’s not going to do it just because you’re from another country.”
I'm not saying there's not going to be an ulterior motive, but if you are a Westerner who travels abroad for work and you find yourself in a country with a higher degree of poverty, the ulterior motive may not be what's implied here.
A part of me is thinking that actual spies wouldn't start talking about their methods in an online thread (particularly because this is just a variant of an old story about how you should get any sort of help online). Another part is looking at recent history and thinking "they definitely would if they thought it would make them look cool among their peers".
>female spy posts incorrect information about what methods female spies use to get men to disclose information >male spies annoyed with a woman posting incorrect information disclose actual methods to prove her wrong
Not to mention the turd that called his company Nikola and lo and behold it was a major vaporware scam and he got a sweet pardon from the orange shitstain.
That is very concisely/eloquently put though it’s stated/implied a bit more universal than I’d argue is really accurate. Maybe “Humans often value…”
(Speaking as a neurodivergent human that struggled for years because I don’t get this key point and it drove me NUTS when people would assume I valued or desired feeling right over being right. Understanding the whole “accusation/projection” link and then this bit helped a LOT!)
Appreciate the feedback, and my pedantic side absolutely agrees. “Often” is a useful qualifier. But now I’m left wondering about this from an evolutionary perspective. The human brain isn’t able to determine whether it is right or wrong, but when it is wrong, there is just negative stimulus or feeling when suffering consequences of being wrong (guilt, despair, active discomfort). Without valid feedback, the brain doesn’t know what to reward. Feeling is all it can go on. Could it be universal?
It’s amazing/horrifying/amusing how often you can get people to agree with you by listening to their bullshit and going “huh, you are totally right and brilliant, (restate your point like it’s what they said using similar wording) I don’t know what I was thinking”. Gives them the boost of being “right” and in agreement.
Oh very true. My favorite is “wow thanks for explaining. I learned some new things about your perspective. Can you help me understand why *insert glaringly obvious proof that they are wrong* happens and how it fits in your understanding of the world?” Either they actually try and somebody eventually learns something, or they bullshit you and deflect and you know they aren’t worth the trouble.
Hadn’t heard anything about her in a few years. She used to come up a lot. So I figured she either retired or was dead, since her job was, last I heard, being loud and obnoxious on the internet.
Funnily enough, for a misogynist racist in public, she actually got decimated when she was exposed for also being a misandrist in private and most of the right turned on her hard. Just an utterly worthless oxygen thief hated by everyone now and looking for her next grift.
Especially in Switzerland, with the directest democracy in the world, and among the oldest continuous democracies. Some cantons have had democratic institutions continuously all the way back to 13th century. Still, two of those same cantons didn't have women's suffrage until 1989, and on a federal level it was introduced only in 1971. There are swiss women alive who were of voting age for decades before they were allowed to vote.
In particular that is before my time, personally, but it's still impactful because what we're going through now in the US is basically the flailing death throes (hopefully) of the minority party that latches onto the way that things WERE, and wants to send us back to that exact time, pre-1960's, where gays and blacks were verminized and women were nothing but broodmares and status symbols.
Legally required to be allowed to. It used to be up to the individual bank's discretion as to whether or not they would allow women to have financial freedom, which is a wild statement
mormonbatman
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law
Feralkyn
...forms...
ISofaKingWeeToddDid
It’s a forum and …….
johnxbear
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1Y2s0ZXR6eW14dHZrdW52NDdyMjE1YXVsamJ2MW5xN2I1cGhoMzBsdyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/SId94WWcAQKI/200w.webp
100kr
Isn't there a rule for this? Not just for women but seeking information in general?
mormonbatman
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law
Xenarion
Ngl, that would probably work on me, regardless of gender. I have a disdain for misinformation.
DarnThisStuff
The "male loneliness epidemic" could work in our favor for some very brave women.
cytherians
Tomi Lahren is still kicking around? That pathetic far-right conservative flag waver?
mariusvandeventer
Reminds me of how the British first found out about Peenemunde. MI6 literally received a pile of beermats with notes scribbled on them. A female british agent was charming the pants off an SS officer in a pub.
albakSPrince
They'll give up the secrets if the spy has a nice wig and can say, with an accent, I am here for moose and squirrel.
ItsMoreComplicatedThanThis
This also feels close to "He made the classic mistake: He forgot thath hot Russian women usually don't REALLY want to talk about nuclear secrets with their tits out."
TheOldSchoolisBack
Fun fact: you don’t have to be female, and your target doesn’t have to be male, for this to work. Blaming it on mansplaining is more fun than referring to it as Cunningham’s law, I suppose.
Allrighty
Don't have to be, but it helps.
Alvaren
funny thing is this exact post was attached to another post about Cunningham's law.
https://bsky.app/profile/dieworkwear.bsky.social/post/3mdcrbbjklk2f
I read it this morning on then saw it here and had to question where I just saw this.
TheOldSchoolisBack
I almost called it Murphy’s law to see if I could bait someone into correcting me.
wandermanspacebot
*More easily understood by using a more common term
MCNewYorkLives
I'm a bit sad at the war thunder thing. I honestly thought that the info leaked were actually under lock and key and actually required someone to either hack the databases or use their access to "steal" the info.
Turns out, the documents are free to be purchased online but only if you're a citizen. So this is a case of "someone bought the documents legally and then posted it in a forum viewable by ppl who arent supposed to, making it illegal"....way less cool and punk
skunkworkz
I know that one case was just that (posting from a purchased manual).
But I thought a few of them were also people that worked on various equipment, or had access to those manuals through work (or military service), and posted things from those manuals, or personal experience, that they shouldn't have.
barbarian818
This is also the MO of Marvel's Black Widow.
jeejeejerrycotton
Is the sexism that this is considered inherently bad because it's something men did? Because sounds like it.
thisisnotfineffs
You need to work on reading comprehension if that was your takeaway
keyblader1985
No.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1NHlrZDlmZHZtOXNveXE4ZG9rbmQyZGt4YWpxNmpjbWsxN2t4end5eSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/JtLrtaN4VPoKXJRKGB/200w.webp
Subsound
If youre easily manipulated because of your toxic sexism, then its inherently bad for you, your country, and whoever thought you were trustworthy.
IEatMyCum
This is actually a form of elicitation which is a technique used by the CIA to get information without asking direct questions.
Samantha4u
Neat!
skibbyAU
Thanks IEatMyCum, I will watch out for this technique being used on me in the future.
mrthewhitee
I remember a similar post about getting answers on Reddit, where instead of asking a question they'd confidently state a wrong opinion and they'd get more correct responses than if they just asked a question.
Adthay
It's called the Berdulli effect
Athol
I thought it was the Bertuzi Effect?
PowerPedant
Nice try.
LavaDiver1312
I've also recently discovered this as a tool against AI accounts. Ever seen a LLM contradict a user?
rshini
hilariously only when Grok is correcting whatever bullshit Musk is spewing before they take it back and lobotomized it (then it would keep bringing up white genocide in unrelated topics)
SirSage
spattr
A British WWII poster: "Keep mum, she's not so dumb! Careless talk costs lives".
Seethreepeeoh
Yes, but in WWII they called it twitter
akafluffy
funny, they call it X in WW3
Seethreepeeoh
Ha ha [crying]
Septcanmat
A few years back, my company had an intelligence agent come give us some training about security, especially in international travel. One of the best parts of his presentation was this: “guys, when you are travelling, no matter where, you are EXACTLY as attractive as you are here. If that woman wouldn’t come up to talk to you at a bar at home, she’s not going to do it just because you’re from another country.”
Allrighty
I'm not saying there's not going to be an ulterior motive, but if you are a Westerner who travels abroad for work and you find yourself in a country with a higher degree of poverty, the ulterior motive may not be what's implied here.
astrangehop
Loose tits sink ships!
labyrinthconvention
torpedo tits wasn't just a name, it was a promise
TheOldSchoolisBack
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Skuggen
A part of me is thinking that actual spies wouldn't start talking about their methods in an online thread (particularly because this is just a variant of an old story about how you should get any sort of help online). Another part is looking at recent history and thinking "they definitely would if they thought it would make them look cool among their peers".
astrangehop
But a congressperson might
Californiajackson
They're talking about x as an unidentified entity, not X formerly known as Twitter.
maybeamonster
>female spy posts incorrect information about what methods female spies use to get men to disclose information
>male spies annoyed with a woman posting incorrect information disclose actual methods to prove her wrong
she's too powerful.
Traquaire
Social manipulation is like 90%+ of all hacking. Probably at least that amount in spying.
TheBigBadBonerBiter
Have we all forgotten about the classified leaks on War Thunder forums?
BarryTheCyborg
A secret service agent just got in trouble for talking about details of his job on a "date" with a journalist.
Skuggen
Sure, but are the current crop of people surrounding the US president a good indication of the overall competence level of the spying profession?
BarryTheCyborg
Considering he got a shit ton of them killed his first term, probably.
Seethreepeeoh
Actually, Elon *didn't* invent Tesla. He just invested in a company that stole the name from Nicolai Tesla. (Shit, it is that easy)
amglasgow
They didn't steal the name. It's not theft to name your company after a long-dead person you admire.
Seethreepeeoh
It really is this easy
RetrogradeLlama
It’s that easy if you started off with a fat pile of money from daddy‘s emerald mine. Otherwise, not so much.
trythebleucheese
but wait, they said to say incorrect info
Sixsystems
Not to mention the turd that called his company Nikola and lo and behold it was a major vaporware scam and he got a sweet pardon from the orange shitstain.
AndyTheAbsurd
"Nikola" not "Nicolai" but I'll assume it was autocorrect that ducked it up on you.
Seethreepeeoh
It's always making me sound like a stupid can't
Ziabatsu
It should always be written "Elon Musk, who purchased the title of founder from the original founder,"
skunkworkz
IIRC, he sued to be allow to be listed as a founder, as the original founders didn't like that he was calling himself a co-founder.
akafluffy
founders, it was a duo iirc.
BlindPiranha
Correct: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.#Founding_(2003%E2%80%932004)
DiracsDelta
Humans value FEELING smart and right, more than they value BEING smart or right.
frozenlake247
That is very concisely/eloquently put though it’s stated/implied a bit more universal than I’d argue is really accurate. Maybe “Humans often value…”
(Speaking as a neurodivergent human that struggled for years because I don’t get this key point and it drove me NUTS when people would assume I valued or desired feeling right over being right. Understanding the whole “accusation/projection” link and then this bit helped a LOT!)
DiracsDelta
Appreciate the feedback, and my pedantic side absolutely agrees. “Often” is a useful qualifier. But now I’m left wondering about this from an evolutionary perspective. The human brain isn’t able to determine whether it is right or wrong, but when it is wrong, there is just negative stimulus or feeling when suffering consequences of being wrong (guilt, despair, active discomfort). Without valid feedback, the brain doesn’t know what to reward. Feeling is all it can go on. Could it be universal?
frozenlake247
It’s amazing/horrifying/amusing how often you can get people to agree with you by listening to their bullshit and going “huh, you are totally right and brilliant, (restate your point like it’s what they said using similar wording) I don’t know what I was thinking”. Gives them the boost of being “right” and in agreement.
DiracsDelta
Oh very true. My favorite is “wow thanks for explaining. I learned some new things about your perspective. Can you help me understand why *insert glaringly obvious proof that they are wrong* happens and how it fits in your understanding of the world?” Either they actually try and somebody eventually learns something, or they bullshit you and deflect and you know they aren’t worth the trouble.
Zammurkele
Does this count?
MrNardtastic
Her mom was 11 before her grandma was legally allowed to have a bank account or credit card in her own name. Why are ppls memories so damn short
AllTheKitties
It's not that she doesn't know or remember. They know exactly what they're doing.
MeeseOnABeam
it fits their narrative
brownribbon
In Tomi’s defense, she’s very stupid.
PumpkinDriver5
I didn’t realize she was still alive.
Now I’m sad again.
brownribbon
Why would you think she wasn’t still alive?
PumpkinDriver5
Hadn’t heard anything about her in a few years. She used to come up a lot. So I figured she either retired or was dead, since her job was, last I heard, being loud and obnoxious on the internet.
SayonaraSally
Funnily enough, for a misogynist racist in public, she actually got decimated when she was exposed for also being a misandrist in private and most of the right turned on her hard. Just an utterly worthless oxygen thief hated by everyone now and looking for her next grift.
brownribbon
Fair enough. Although the timestamps from these tweets were cropped out, so for all I know you’re right and these tweets are like 8 years old.
bitemark
It's not even that long ago, there are people alive who are older than women's suffrage
debob
It still blows my mind that women being allowed to have their own credit card happened when my mom was like 17.
LavaDiver1312
Especially in Switzerland, with the directest democracy in the world, and among the oldest continuous democracies. Some cantons have had democratic institutions continuously all the way back to 13th century. Still, two of those same cantons didn't have women's suffrage until 1989, and on a federal level it was introduced only in 1971. There are swiss women alive who were of voting age for decades before they were allowed to vote.
nation543
The oldest person in the US is Naomi Whitehead, at a 115 years old, born Sept 26, 1910. Women got the right to vote in 1920.
Currently, the oldest person alive in the world is Ethel Caterham at 116 years old, in the UK.
akafluffy
I believe it was '64 they got the right to have a bank account on their own. That's not even that long ago.
nation543
Had to look it up, it was '74 -- so close xD
In particular that is before my time, personally, but it's still impactful because what we're going through now in the US is basically the flailing death throes (hopefully) of the minority party that latches onto the way that things WERE, and wants to send us back to that exact time, pre-1960's, where gays and blacks were verminized and women were nothing but broodmares and status symbols.
akafluffy
I think '74 was credit card, which again, yes is far too recently.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
Legally required to be allowed to. It used to be up to the individual bank's discretion as to whether or not they would allow women to have financial freedom, which is a wild statement