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the3truth4
That's cheap.
possumattack
Yo 1435 a month or 17k per year. Madison, WI. Slightly above average but definitely not the highest.
drinkup4
Wait tell you get a college tuition statement.
Harepus1
I spent $3400 last year. And the whole sum can be removed from my taxes. Then again, Norway...
Rookieragequit
Norway has a maximum price of 354 usd a month. We pay 310, that includes diapers, three full meals, and a stroller to sleep in..
cannonfodder1503
Think we're on course for £16000 for childcare this year. Shits brutal man, big city costs
0xFADE
This is just one aspect that shows the value of someone staying at home. Cleaning, taking care of the kids, cooking. It is all expensive.
SterlingValor
Shit. Maybe I should start a daycare for upper class people's babies.
grumpyshortwoman
The upper class people tend to have nannies.
kaijinMaker
Note to self..spend 10k on something cool this year.
cattywumpus
Under the ACA, all birth control is covered. IUDs are a great option. Ask your doctor, or go to Planned Parenthood.
AlaskanPipeliner1
Work for catholics. Refuse any birth control. Fuckers.
Kisskissfish
Isn't there a law about that now? I work for a Catholic based company too, but we have a contraceptive plan.. 100% covered. (1/2)
Kisskissfish
They don't tell employees about it much, cause they don't believe in it.. but it's there
ItWasntSupposedToBeThisWay
I just did the math for mine. Over $30k a year for 3 critters.
redflagger10
Just had a pregnancy scare this morning. Gf wants kids one day, meanwhile I wanna have adventures
conflictmuffins
Snip snip. It's 70% reversible. BC is wild terrible on women's body...
redflagger10
Actually just started the conversation. Figured it won't be fixed if never spoken of
IAmAnthonyStark
Two kids, $32,700 per year.
boffinofwhitfurrows
*laughs in scandinavian*
SweetScandinavianLover92
Highest bracket in Finland is 290€ for first child. 50% off for latter children.
lirael
*haw haw haws in French*
thorkun
Agreed, the prices people in this post put up are insane :P
ElbowDeepInATshirt
Yeee.. like 1500kr per month($180 or so..)
ElbowDeepInATshirt
For TWO kids, I might add..
PaintedLady5519
My friend's husband is quitting his job to stay with their daughter, daycare is so expensive.
AlaskanPipeliner1
I do the same. Wish I was working and my Wife stayed at home. She chose a good career.
thorkun
Sorry but this is unbelivably alien to me, how is quitting a job cheaper than paying for daycare? Do they give the kids gold crusted apples?
ChipCheese
If daycare is $15k a year, and you only net $25k a year, you're working all that time for only $10k. Might as well just stay home.
thorkun
Sure but 15k for daycare is so weird to me
ChipCheese
It's partially bc of gov't regulation. In order for it to be tax deductible, you must run it as a biz. This pushes the cost up by a lot.
ChipCheese
If you use a home daycare that is not tax deductible (not a biz), it's often much cheaper. Those folks work off of reputation.
modalnode
I did the same.
dijital101
I'm a sahd for the same reason. I do a few side-hustles to increase the money. Now we found a $500/Montessori for the 4yo, still cheaper.
ilovemyboobs
we ended up doing the same. Starting saving a lot of money.
bellapadella
Specially if you have more than 1!
SolidSnayke
Oh man, I would love to be a stay at home Dad. That would be the best thing ever. Play video games, cook, hang out with kids.
Randersuarus
I am a full time student and stay at home mom, if I got a job, the entire profit would go to preschool
AttractedToShinyThings
I did that as well. You still suffer financially, but in the long run you are home with you kid (s) not letting someone else raise them.
malachilenomade
Reading through the complaints as someone with no kids
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nfjdoanfdsjfn
Haha, daycare in Germany cost us only about 120/month, so 1440 for the year. Sorry your country sucks so bad.
mookian
In Canada in at 21000 this aunt just a us thing
McMastered
In Finland we pay 203€/month for two kids 8 hours per day 5 days per week. But that varies depending where you live.
JarnoF
290€/month for one kid. Espoo Finland.
Fortherea
Depends on where in Germany. In our community in the southwest it’s 380€ a month for 7h/day, 5d/week.
DuckPlanetKing
7 hours a day? Do you only work 6 hours a day?
thorkun
Maybe parents work different hours and one picks them up and other leaves them?
Fortherea
Oh and the age is a factor obviously, our son will be 2 in May.
Shargan8
But salaries in the southwest are higher than in the north, etc.
rsmgod287
How’d you get it so cheap. In LA we spent about 20-30 grand a year on that
mallerzkay
IM SO CONFUSED how is it that expensive??? Like what is the average income?? What do people making under 50K a year do?
ChipCheese
They stay at home with their children.
Cheomesh
If you make under 50k and you live in LA you are doing it wrong.
bukketl4d
Median household income in LA is $55,909. That means over half of people are "doing it wrong"
Cheomesh
Yes.
ChipCheese
100% of those folks are doing it wrong simply by living in a hellhole like LA.
Pokesaurus
People on the coast of the USA make way more than the median income for the USA. but everything is expensive as fuck
mallerzkay
30 grand for daycare though holy crap
BoobsAndGifs
Sorry, I’m at 22300.
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NihonJinLover
Damn it’s like you’re sending your kid to college already
drapester
That's where we were before my wife decided to stay home.
Hollen
We pay around 15.600.- a year. Of course thats danish kroner. so aprox 2600 us$.
SendNudis
My stepdaughters grandma watches her and we pay more than that....
MiaLost
9k...I’m a teacher in nowhere Iowa, USA and I don’t even send my kid during the summer and holidays.
BoobsAndGifs
I am envious of summers off.
lollymj
I use private in-home daycare and pay $12k/year.
RsdAngelOnFire
I really hope you appreciate that person cause that is truly a steal
lollymj
Oh, we absolutely do! She’s like family now.
BoobsAndGifs
Who the hell works for 1000 a month that Trump isn’t trying to deport? Yes, I see your username.
lollymj
They can have a max of 5 kids in the home so that means she can make at least 60k.
Suntok
My wife babysits for about that. It's not our primary source of income, but it does help quite a lot.
TheBestRussian
Likely multiple kids in the day home, each paying 1k/mo
Smg0036
I’m in the same boat, I live in CA. Everything is expensive.
mallerzkay
How is it THAT expensive...? What about the people who made like under 50K a year? What do they do?
lovesecretsexandgod
They have help from family members or they pay older ladies in the neighborhood. There’s tons of unregulated daycare centers.
BoobsAndGifs
Unfortunately, we aren’t lucky enough to have close, healthy family. 450/week for 2 kids, and that’s a 3/4 Star place. 4/4 is 500+ for two.
ferretwrestler
That sounds more like it full time
ValleytotheSea
I spend around $600/week on groceries for my 3 teenagers. That's after I stopped buying cereal and only allow oats and milk for breakfast.
Cheomesh
The fuck they eating? My family of 3 doesn't even spend $600/mo on groceries.
ValleytotheSea
Fruits,veg,healthy proteins,healthy fats, whole grains...they are really active and have high caloric needs.Weekly milk bill alone is $100+
Cheomesh
Jesus. If they ever work out Soylent properly it's going to revolutionize your world hah
aesthesia1
Is...is this real?
ValleytotheSea
I think you can get away with less is they don't do sports and you feed them empty calories.
AttractedToShinyThings
Oh yes! Teens are never full. Never.
aesthesia1
I hardly ate as a teen, but I'm a little more shocked to see someone talk that way about feeding their kids.
AttractedToShinyThings
My son (15) can go through a gallon of milk in 1-2 days. Teens are bottomless pits!
BeardicPerformance
I think you’re shopping wrong. I grew up in a family of 7 and our grocery bill was never above $300.
ValleytotheSea
Did you grow up on rice and pasta? I only feed them healthy, useful calories and they need approx 30,000 cal each per week.
Krasnopeev
Me and all of my siblings played either soccer or football growing up. We did eat rice and pasta at times but also ate other healthy foods
BeardicPerformance
I grew up on normal food. Also, what’s wrong with rice and pasta? Also 30,000/wk is more than 4000/day which is WAY too much.
ValleytotheSea
http://mfcsportsperformance.com/teenage-athletes-gaining-body-weight/
BeardicPerformance
Still don’t need $600 a week. You could buy cheaper food. That’s not a normal expense for normal families.
Krasnopeev
Same. We were a family of 6 and we ate pretty decently for less than $300 a week on groceries. I guess it's just what you expect to eat
sonicsuckinghisowndick
And for all that most of the people who work in those daycares make shit money. Shame people don’t place more value on that kind of work.
CandidGamera
They do, they just don't want to pay for it. If you think that's wrong, you hate free market capitalism.
Cheomesh
My brother's fiance used to work at one; I think she made around $12/hr or so.One one hand, more than I made at that time.On the other 1/
Cheomesh
that's way less than I do now. 2/2
drapester
Shame we don't just pay enough so a spouse can stay home. Fucking have kids then pay total strangers to raise them for you. I hate it.
reuvil
I paid $1000 a month for day care. That was half my monthly salary at the time. So, you think it should cost even more? Really...
Fleaturtle
Or be subsidized like most developed countries outside of the USA
Imalwaysready
Yep. By law in Texas, for babies it is 1 adult to 4 babies. We were paying around $1000 a month. So, 4 babies equals $4,000. IF the actual>>
Imalwaysready
person watching our kid got all of it, that's $48k a year, tops. But you know they are maybe getting half. The other half covers the >>
Imalwaysready
facility rent, supplies, electric, water, admin salaries, etc. Not a particularly lucrative occupation, much as we pay for it individually.
BumFacedGoat
That’s where feminism come in - valuing typically feminine work. I’d pay much more if I thought it was going to the staff.
graysonic
How much more than $10k a year could you afford to pay?
BumFacedGoat
Oh, I couldn’t pay more than that but I only pay about £3k a year (my daughter attends 2 days + she gets 15 hours free from the government.
TheDumptruck93
They're only mediocre workers because the pay is so bad. Good pay, you can afford to be picky with who you hire. Bad pay, bad workers.
nnnyyyehhhhhhhhh
Preschool teacher. Wanna say that to my face >_>
thereoncewasamanfromnantucket
I was going to say my kids daycare teachers are absolutely amazing. And they are miracles workers with my child. A+
nnnyyyehhhhhhhhh
That's amazing, I'm happy for you! I hope you tell them that because that is absolutely one of my favorite things to hear.
CaptainShitDick
The sad thing is, MOST people who work in daycares are kind hearted people who love their job. And it can be a hard job, some kids are wild
TheYoungGod
My family owns a daycare/preschool and we network with daycares around GA/TN. Most employees start low but go way over min wage in 3-4 mos.
TheYoungGod
That's mainly because being a teacher is fairly skilled labor. During the first few months they are paired with a mentor. After they catch..
KidneyBeene
Daycare are not teachers
westwood8183
Almost all of the main employees at my daughter's daycare have degrees in early childhood education or similar.
KidneyBeene
http://work.chron.com/requirements-child-care-workers-7970.html You are talking about "preschool" not "daycare" they are not the same.
TheYoungGod
Their own stride, their salary goes up to 15. Based on performance we go up to 25. Though one thing that separates us is that we are...
TheYoungGod
Family owned. All those franchise daycares are a trap. Teachers are paid like shit, because the businesses have to for over a ton of their..
TheYoungGod
Money to corporate.
1jess1ripper1
Right now I work for a franchise, better than Goddard but still not a ton. I do have the potential to go into a management spot once I
MediaMuerte
Literally anyone can do it. It is not a skilled profession.
moemoneymoecat
Have you done it? Try having endless patience and warmth for your entire work day. The kids aren’t the hardest part, it’s the parents.
MediaMuerte
I'm a substitute teacher and I've subbed k through 12 along with special ed.
adaw01
Not anyone can do it. It takes patience, kindness and common sense. Much of which most people lack.
Minerva78
The pay is peanuts because employers don't care about the workers and parents look down at us, company makes hand over fist yet I got a 25
cnphilli
what about running your own daycare?
jamesearlsnakeyes
We appreciate you!! I thank our daycare teachers every day because they do a bang up job & have to deal with our little shits all day
jamesearlsnakeyes
I agree y'all are underpaid, considering what most people pay for daycare
itgotupanditdancedaway
Liability insurance is incredibly expensive for providers. That said - economies of scale mean larger chain centers could pay workers more.
Minerva78
Cent raise this year.
CaptainShitDick
Childcare companies don’t care about employees, privately owned centers usually can’t afford to pay well. It’s a tough field, stay strong!
KidneyBeene
Job: 1. Insure my kid does not die, become deformed, maimed, or traumatized. 2. Allow him to socialize with other heathens. Nothing more. 1/
keyonne
I got an $.18 cent raise.
KidneyBeene
Where is the skill or talent in that? Don't touch the kids in no-no areas. Don't hit them. Don't yell at them. 2/
Chibiterasu1999
You're also put around children going through their earliest development years. You can't just not be a shit human. You also have to 1/
SandshoesAndaScrewdriver
As a nanny for 6 years and working in the daycare field for 1, its is extremely difficult and loadbearing on the mind and body. 1/
SandshoesAndaScrewdriver
And extremely taxing on stress like for instance you have 4:1 infant ratio with 2hr mandatory diaper changing which include changing bedding
Chibiterasu1999
Understand, and be ready to help them grow, and be more prepared for the world ahead. It's not as simple as you think. 2/
Chibiterasu1999
I imagine nothing is probably as simple as you think it is, if you're willing to go over child care with a broad brush like that.
KidneyBeene
Wrong. It is very simple. Thats the problem. The shitbirds make your profession look bad. I took my 2 out of preeschool and placed them 1/
KidneyBeene
in a private school because issues I would see in CA/AZ.
ChipCheese
This is such a dumb Communist argument, and it's so false. Pay is peanuts bc it's highly competitive & unskilled labor.
ChipCheese
There's thousands of home daycares where moms take care of their kids, so they add in another 4-7. Some countries, women do it for free.
ChipCheese
Not to mention, the cost has to always be less than about 1/2 of what the lowest wage in the home is making, or it's not worth the cost.
KaijuMittons
unskilled labor my ass, I have to have a degree to work at my daycare and do 25 hours of continuing education classes each year.
Minerva78
Exactly, I have a CDA & a BA and have to have 24 hours of training in top of State certification.
ChipCheese
Yup. And my neighbor can watch 4 kids, plus her 2, without the gov't knowing about it. She makes $150 a week per kid. She's your competition
KaijuMittons
Are they getting balanced nutrition? Are they learning or just being watched? Being at a center has many advantages for the children
KaijuMittons
Not to mention being cpr/first aid certified, dcfs background checked/finger printed. All for 11.52/h
ChipCheese
Again, you have to compete with stay-at-home moms who work via a reputation, & can charge much less.
Ninjibacon
250 a week even if your kid doesn't stay a day. 52 x 250 in TN
GrayWhiteWolf
if you think that's expensive, come to San Francisco
CaptainSquared
$125 a week for us in KY
Ninjibacon
My bad it was 150 a week
spaceisneat
$360 a week in CO. Same cost if she is there or not.
JonnyTightlips
Not bad... Was paying $2000/month in Toronto... Ugh
GoALittleCrazy
Also in TN but my kids are school aged now. The free breakfast & lunch program ALMOST makes up for those 5 years...
JabberMoxie
Also in TN. Dog daycare is $20/day, five days a week (she's very energetic). Don't get pregnant, get a pet (or two, and "save").
BreadyStinellis
That's pretty cheap. Where i live it's $30-$40 A day. A slight discount for 2 dogs.
6KidsInATrenchcoat
In Norway we pay 200$ a month.
Lastavica
In Croatia around 90$ a month
Lastavica
But I guess our average pay is much less than what it is in Norway =)
bohemiancrabcity
damn. I pay $500 a month for an infant and don't pay if he doesn't go.
lovesecretsexandgod
Holy cow it’s 250 a week in TN?! I know folks in LA that pay 1250 a week minimum. I hear that’s the going rate too.
doesanyoneevenreadthese
Were at 1100 a month in LA. Just one more year and we'll be free
lovesecretsexandgod
Sorry, I meant 1250 per month.
prkrkllr
Haha I was like holy shit, where?! I live in LA and my balls just about jumped back into my body
spoonmanners
Nothing more defeating than a kid getting sick and still paying out cash for daycare while missing work.
harliequinny
It’s $200 a week here in Kentucky. Husband about had a heart attack.
PunchViolenceInTheFace
I can think of a few things... But yes is annoying...
Unnammed
I've paid between $90 and $125 a day in Australia. $32,500 a year.
ThatKidWhoYoyos
Child support is about 250 per paycheck. The more you know.
OtterlyMagnificent
Geez...good thing I'm a lesbian then...
Smokewag0n
Where I live (California) it's a percentage of your salary. I pay $654/month.
ThatKidWhoYoyos
Yeah it's a percentage. But if you update jobs, without updating them, it could be more. Which is what I did, unfortunatly. Now it's the opp
ThatKidWhoYoyos
How many kids by the way, just 1?
AtominFlux
Yep. $10,000 a year what it cost me for my daughter until she turned about five and went to kindergarten. First five years of life cost $50k
MissLadyPants
Bro its 10k just to put muy kids in daycare from tomorrow till May 25th
AtominFlux
The reason I only have one child
Thule
Does this mean that people who run daycare are very rich or where does the money go?
Imalwaysready
It's a lot of money individually, not collectively. And state have laws about child-adult-ratios. In TX, for under 2 years old, it is no >>
Imalwaysready
more than 4 kids per 1 adult. $10k a year for 4 kids is $40k a year. IF the adult gets to keep all of that, they make $40k a year tops. If>>
Imalwaysready
they work for a company or rent a space themselves, they get much less. It's not as much as it sounds like with all expenses & limitations.
ilovemyboobs
the conglomorate that owns the day care.
DangLinWang90
We pay $1,900 a month in Chicago. Shits expensive
bellapadella
Crazy! That's actually one of the reasons I left London
tzap
That's just silly. It's like half of a kindergarten teacher's salary. And how many kids they got per adult? 10? 15?
Smokewag0n
Thank you for this! I feel much better about our $1,350 a month here.
ChipCheese
But you make a lot of money. You'd need each parent to make $60k to make this even worth it, or else one of you just stays home.
DangLinWang90
Relatively, yeah. We’re right about where u guessed. Still, we wonder sometimes why we don’t move closer to family. Mainly bc Chicago rocks.
k98aj01
Chicagoan here too. We pay just over 3,600 for our two—that includes a 10% sibling discount—-so I fell your pain.
DangLinWang90
Godspeed. Two kids in daycare...for the birds man.
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
That’s pretty cheap. If you live in a major city, quintuple that.
breeyag
I think we found the most affordable daycare in Washington, DC, and it's still $1,800/mth for the first kid.
Singingworms
The price also changes once a kid is potty trained. Kids in diapers are more expensive to put through day care.
catromance
I make 3k a month after taxes as a nanny for an infant in Chicago.
givemeyourdickpics
Do you have "qualifications"? Serious question... what does a nanny resume entail?
catromance
I have my Bachelor and Masters of Social Work w/ concentration in Children & Youth, 15+ years working with children in many capacities.
dmd3eorg
Yeah I was gonna say I'd kill for that. We pay $32k PER KID (2 of them) here in Boston metrowest.
abitskeptical
$4,300/mo. for average daycare center in a major city? Can you back that statement?
hatechoosingusernames
I live in a small town and the cost for my friends is $1500 a month for 1 child. Cousin live in a suburban area...$2500 A month.
PunchViolenceInTheFace
I've seen that price in a fancy af daycare in the financial district of San Francisco... But that's the highest end I've ever seen.
isitworthitthenlemmelurkit
Coworker makes about $3k a month after taxes. Says she works just to pay for her sons daycare. About 5x for fancy daycare in Beantown.
booboobabybox
In Portland, OR it’s not uncommon to spend upwards of $2,000 per month for full time care. Portland isn’t even close to the most expensive
booboobabybox
City in the US. I wouldn’t say it’s common to spend $4,000 a month in other places but it probably does happen fairly frequently.
ClearBlue
Isn’t the total cost of raising a kid well over $200,000? Not a responsibility to undertake without a solid plan.
IWouldDoThings
How can you plan for that? Don't they just spontaneously fall out of ladies? Right?
admosquad7
You don't pay it all up front.
Sinner1996
Sometimes they are a little surprise and you don't get a choice
palmo
Not in red states
tzap
Or living somewhere where the society takes the most of that off from you.
Quizz25S
Well over a lifetime that's not too terrible.
ClearBlue
Cost of Raising a Child Tops $260,000 — Just for Basics - https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/insurance/cost-of-raising-a-child/
ClearBlue
The kids first 18 to 22 years, before they are out on their own.
Quizz25S
And hopefully they're not asking you for money in their 40s lol
ytseone
And everyone else's kids will pay for our social safety net. While the childless get to spend their money on fun stuff! Good deal, lol.
ifiknewiwouldntbehererightnow
200,000 seem light. I think it's quite a bit more
zhiana
Absolutely, but not all pregnancies are planned/wanted and there's not always a way out of it.
zombiebatman
Depends how much you feed them. You can really cut that down with something called the Ramen Strategy.
swinglinered
chicken franks, potatoes, rice/beans, mac'n'cheese
reverendbonobo
I make mine forage for their own food. The neighborhood park is full of edible plants and insects.
VodkaReindeer
Does Planned Parenthood help you finance your child?
txtmylife
Um. Planned Parenthood advocates choice. As in the choice to NOT have a kid even if you're pregnant. U might ask that question of the church
flamingflamingo
They help you with prenatal and postnatal care, can help with abortions, and offer birth control. They aren't assisted living for parents.
spagattanadle
You know who they really help with abortions? Pimps bringing on their minor sex workers! They don’t report, just abort. The more you know!
Rainbowzebracorns
They do report. Someone I know went to jail for 2 years because he (21) and his 13yo girlfriend went in together for sti treatment.
flamingflamingo
Uh... okay. Anyway I went a lot of times in my younger years. Not for abortion, but for free birth control and feminine health care.
flamingflamingo
I feel like the potential of screwing up another human being the reason it's a big responsibility. Money is just money.
Hoptimonium
Total cost is around 100 to 300k depending on where you live, college, what car you buy them, vacations, if they get their own bedroom, etc
Skizzlesnap
If you’re waiting to have kids until you can afford kids, you’ll never have kids.
reverendbonobo
That sounds like a solid plan to me.
Skizzlesnap
To each there own but you never know when you’ll need blood or a spare kidney.
f36ea8c4
Would love to hear you answering your kid's question "why did you make me?" with "so you could possibly provide spare parts if needed"
sombrerohorsewagon
If you go with the suburbanite child rearing model of child raising. New designer clothes, ‘activities and clubs’ everyday...
DutchymcDutchface
Username checks out
icallBsht
Right..best he has a #1 Dad magnet on his fridge too
GiantDad420
I was not worth the $200,000-300,000 lemme tell ya
MarkyMarksFunkyHunch
You've got to be one controlling asshole or very very clever to raise a kid with a "plan".
IncilliusAlvarius
Well that's plan A. No one likes the first plan. That's why they go with plan B.
morbidconcerto
I get this joke. Have a +1!
IncilliusAlvarius
dohcohv
It varies a lot, and depends on how you count it. You could also be more motivated and happier after having a kid.
catsofat
Yes, this! Imgur has a strong bit of anti-kid people, I get that some yall don't want kids but some of you are downright vicious about it
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tzap
That's simply impossible, the average Dallas household doesn't even have a total income for that much over 18 years.
napalmpriestess
Well, probably should have been more thoughtful about my wording. Where I live and with what I make, that's the average to raise a child.
tzap
It's definitely incorporating tax-supported stuff, like education and so forth.
napalmpriestess
That and medical bills. I know I cost my parents at least $100k on mental health, dental, and trips to the ER because of health issues.
yomahnn
Buy them fewer things. Feed them once a day. Ensure that they're not smart enough to go to college either. That'll save you a bit.
TheLingoBingo
Absolute nonsense. The average household income in Dallas is 63k. Over 18 years, that's about 1.1M. Means you wouldn't even be able to
tzap
The calculations include education etc, which is paid by taxes, but even then it's obviously an exaggerated number by people with an agenda.
TheLingoBingo
Feed yourself if you had ONE kid. Think logically for a second before spreading false information like that.
LumpWithaLeafHat
How on earth do you spend a million on a child...
MaggGyver
Live in California. Living is expensive as FUUUUUUUUCK here.
Greatwood
Texan children use a lot of diapers by the time they're adults
LittleKnownOne
But that guy w/ 5 felony convictions is sooooo dreamy
Sphincto
No ammount of money is too much for my daughter.
Broody2131
http://www.morganstanley.com/articles/little-geniuses-big-dreams?&mkwid=shicY0yEs|pcrid|190000142545|pkw|costs%20of%20raising%20a%20child|pm
Generalidiot
Around year 2000 there was a statistic that said it cost about $1,000,000 to raise a child from conception to when they graduate high school
SadToSay
Some of the calculations include the cost of larger housing. But yeah kids are expensive.
TheCrazySucculentLady
Diapers alone couod definitely make that more...
MarkyMarksFunkyHunch
Yeah dude I think I'm well over 200k for the 19 year old.
OctopusOccult
One Google search says it costs $233,610 from birth to 17. http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/09/pf/cost-of-raising-a-child-2015/index.html
Flafski
That sounds like way too much, studies in sweden say that a child costs between 1-1,5million SEK which is like $150k-$200k
iSoulend
I think you're counting on the govt side, for school and everything, rather than the parents side, here
Solkanarmy
in the UK it's £100k, but then healthcare is free for us, I bet a lot of that is the cost of the child to be born >.>
westwood8183
I paid $250 for my daughter's birth, in the US. Decent healthcare does exist, just not enough of it.
deahdeah
try 2-3x that and you might get close (provided you send your kid to school)
crowkiller06
First-hand experience. You’re probably not wrong. America’s healthcare system is a joke.
Muttons1337
Around the same year I heard it was more around $400,000. 1mil sounds a bit inflated.
ScrooblyDoobles
Maybe if you spoil them rotten. That's a crazy high number.
tzap
Not really, you get the number when you count the teachers, their salaries, infrastructure requirements for children, etc ...
tzap
But numbers like this are very misleading. Like okay. You pay the teacher a salary.. But the teacher pays taxes.. and uses their money to
tzap
.. support their corner store and whatnot. So you know. It's not 1 million of money *lost*. It's just 1 million *budgeted*.
MetaSomma
Hardly any of which is paid directly out of pocket as a result of your decision/accident resulting in child birth
tzap
Right, but that's no doubt the source of the number regardless.
MetaSomma
If you abstract something too far it becomes completely useless information
tzap
It's a hugely exaggerated number. The average American household makes like 2 mils through all their years of income.
Subtilico
There wouldn't be 7,5 billion people if they all came with a solid plan.
yomahnn
And the problem with that is...?
PlatitudinousFlipped
Exactly. Few do.
Danishlmgurian
Well, some of those kids are left at doorsteps. Some of them in the woods
cesarnero
hitler have a better plan
Subtilico
In the whole of WW2 died less people than the yearly population growth these days.
seriouslythatusernameistakentoo
The government will pay for it. They should just print more money. And buy me a car.
LurkerOfDarkness
Why not just build you a car?
Asterfix
Hah! Came. Classic
ljkhiuh
*Daycare (alone). As a gay guy I love not having the fear, tho the sadness of not having kids of my own sucks :\
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Coworker got a surrogate, his daughter is 6 years old now. :)
Cheomesh
As a father, there's WAY more to a child being "your own" than merely having your genes.
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
True. Passing down you favorite pair of Levi’s is an important part but only one step.
GeneralPigly
:) There's always adoption or finding a surrogate.
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
You can always invetro a surrogate or get a close girlfriend to bang you with a fake beard on or something idk
CapableTrash
Vitro*
conflictmuffins
My best (gay) buddy asked if I'd surrogate for him. I never want kids of my own, but I love him enough to do that for him. :)
ImKimJongUnAndEverythingIsFine
I watched my wife go through being pregnant. It’s tough just to watch. You’re a hell of a friend to offer yourself like that.
itsreallyhardtofindausernamethatisnttaken
Please adopt.
ljkhiuh
To clarify the 'real dad', I meant genetically. I was raised catholic so I've got Catholic guilt and shame in me
remycrane
A gay man raised catholic? How do you keep on living? I'm a woman raised catholic and thought it was bad enough.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
You downvote her but I had a friend raised southern catholic. Deep fear, self hatred, so I understand what she means.
bulbosos
Yeah man, I know how you feel.
ljkhiuh
I mean, that's my only choice. I probably will when I reach that point in my life but right now it just stings knowing I won't be a real dad
HisBabes
A real Dad doesn’t have to be biological. Look around, there are biological fathers that shouldn’t be. A real dad loves & raises a child.
Redandpurpleunicorns
You'll get judged enough as a parent, genetic or not. People will make assumptions and explain how you're wrong. Stuff that. Be awesome.
AnnieBahde
I’m adopted. I have a real Dad. He made sure I had food, told me bedtime stories, played outside and put me through college. Real Dad!
Phortune
You had me until the "not a real dad" comment.
ljkhiuh
Sorry, I didn't mean it negatively, I just feel like I wouldn't count. The thought of BEING the adopted kid with gay parents. I fear 1/
ljkhiuh
how society would treat the kid because of my own orientation
EliMFrost
What? What do you mean not a real dad?
ljkhiuh
Mostly just that I feel I wouldn't 'count'. I know that's wrong, but I hate the idea of having a kid that will get beat up coz 'Gay dads'
spiderqueendemon
Two of my students come from a 2-dad family. Nobody mocks them for it. They get picked on because the one loves anime and the other is tall.
arthuritis
Kids get beat up for a lot of things. Teach your kid to know when/how to kick ass.
shootsewvintage
Yeah...that’s not exactly how parenthood works. Biology =/= realness.
PubicOvergrowth
You can have someone give birth to your child using your sperm, without actually having sex, you know that right?
5aminsd
Fact
ljkhiuh
Yeah, but a lot of negative situations popup about the mother wanting custody and rights, which is intimidating since those cases have won1/
ljkhiuh
historically speaking. I just meant to say I feel like I won't be accepted as a 'real' father, since I didn't MAKE the child. I know I'd 2/
MrHumberfloob
"He may have been your father boy, but he wasn't your daddy." - Mary Poppins
ljkhiuh
That's actually really sweet, I just feel torn, like a lot of society(not most, just a lot) doesn't count gay/lesbian parents as 'real'
VivianVonBoom
A dear friend did mine volunteered to be an advocate for kids in foster care. Were they "his"? No. But they were. He protected them and 1
Chibiterasu1999
Of course you're a real parent. There are so many little boys and girls just looking for a household to feel loved in. Fuck genes if you 1/
Hitsuzen9
While if you would like the view of someone who was adopted you are most certainly a real parent when you adopt.
AllHailConsuela
My vasectomy had a $10 co-pay. Best investment I've made, so far.
eastbayrae
My insurance wouldn’t pay for mine. I paid $800.
KindalikeJesus
Got mine for about a 20 dollar co-pay. Worth it
Baxcon
Mine cost me $1000 still better than a kid.
captjackvane
Mine was $80. Still worth it.
mos6502c
Where is that? Even tho we have a good healthcare system here, it's deemed a "lifestyle" intervention - which is why it's ~$500 here.
neospor1n
and only 1% of them fail. so if you get 2 its .01% failure rate
foxmichaels
Can't beat that math!
poronkusemania
Dang mine cost 20 dollars. They eventually refunded my co-pay though so I can't complain.
SirDistic
Mine was $400 co pay. I'm still glad I did it.
Ringshadow
*pulls tax stuff around* I'm sitting at $1805.16 out of pocket so far for my hysterectomy/bilateral salpingectomy.
legalimmigrant
How long was your downtime? I might get mine done as well.
districtfella
Hang on. Insurance doesn’t consider it elective and not cover it? I thought something like that was $10k out of pocket. USA here.
BreadyStinellis
Our insurance considered it elective. I think most in US don't cover, although 10k is way off! It's about 2k, we paid $1200, because
BreadyStinellis
Insurance covers the local anesthesia. Getting a woman's tubes tied is about $16k, maybe that's where you got rhat number from?
badmintonjunkie
Babies are expensive. Sterilization is cheaper for insurance companies in the long run. Fertility treatment is often not covered.
Leberbs
How much is it with no insurance?
BreadyStinellis
Around $2k
B0BDog
Do u have kids already? Or are you just knocking yourself outta the gene pool?
AllHailConsuela
My SO and I do not have kids. Not what we are looking for. We are both 27. No BC is just much easier for her.
forte10
Second for me. I a) have cats, and b) am far too irresponsible for children. In case I change my mind later, I got some swimmers frozen.
TheJudgeHasItBackwards
I got one at 28. Almost got baby trapped, said enough is enough. Also I'm kind of an asshole, so probably for the best.
gakio12
From the context of the post, I'm thinking no kids. I'll be doing the same this year.
B0BDog
Why?
kibal4ish
Brake the cycle Morty, rise above, focus on science. Also, google dinks - double income no kids
B0BDog
Thanks, now I can die happy knowing I've read the most cringeworthy thing ever written
bellapadella
It's a shame your parents weren't smart as you guys
ImpulseVX
Same to you mack
AquaHair
ImpulseVX
I'm doing the second one personally
B0BDog
Why?
ImpulseVX
The world doesn't need more of me running around. I'll adopt rather than add to the overpopulation.
B0BDog
I cannot understand how anyone can willingly go against thier own evolution and refuse to try and procreate
mooseandsquirrell
I've felt this same way every now and then, glad it's not uncommon of a thought.
noodletree
That's some good insurance. Mine is going to be ~$350 (but I have an HSA, so it'll come from that). Still worth it.
alteraphim
I don’t have insurance and mines gonna be free
SyntheticCK
Not everyone goes with the Hyperion method. Gutsy man, gutsy.
alteraphim
Actually it’s free because of my income level. No babies for lyfe
AllHailConsuela
Then you get the snips tax free! Agreed, worth it.
bringbakfirefly
I used a home kit coat hanger.
jeanrodimous
Can you still nut
Mydogeverydayandsomeothershitoccasionally
I wanna get sterilized, my ob tells me I'm too young and my biological clock will start ticking and I'll wanna have babies any day now.
Mydogeverydayandsomeothershitoccasionally
I'm 25, and I haven't changed my mind about wanting kids since I was 14.
BigTittyGothKitty
Upvoted you to 666 :3
GreatDaneGirl
Hubby had his for free.... Go Canadian healthcare. Not sure why they don't give birth control out for free.
shedooooooooo
Health insurance was $200 out of my paycheck per mo. Birth control still cost $50/mo until Obama made it free with insurance.
felixff
Can you reverse a vasectomy?
kibal4ish
Yes but expansive, very not effective. Way cheaper to freeze sperm. About 200-400 bucks a year.
bellapadella
Can I ask a sincere question about vasectomy? Why people do it? I can't find a logical explanation
whatawelshtwat
I did it because I have 3 kids and don't want any more
poronkusemania
I did it because I don't want kids. If I change my mind I can adopt a kid.
bellapadella
But, asking candidly, wasn't easier not to have kids?
poronkusemania
This was pretty easy tbh. Took about 20 minutes - had a few days off work. Cost me 20 dollars & now I never have to worry about accidents
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BreadyStinellis
They do it to not have children. Their penis still functions, still get to come, no sperm. Can i ask why you're confused about It?
bellapadella
I don't understand why people adopt permanent solutions to temporary state of minds?
BreadyStinellis
Because it's probably not a temporary state of mind. Most men who get them already have kids and don't want anymore.
everettscott
Seems a bit rude to assume their thinking is "temporary".
bellapadella
Seems a little presumptuous to assume they will never change their minds.
BreadyStinellis
Dang! Ypure lucky it was covered at all. My husband's was $1200. Only covered the drugs.
WhatzitTooya
I paid even less, cause being ugly is free.
KymJongUrMum
Totally agree... Sniff... Totally
attofreak
hey, no STDs too! Isn't being ugly just the best? :'D
killerdecoy7
If only this didn't hit so close to home
flapperfemmefatale
I wish it was easier for women to get elective sterilization. So tired of birth control pills
EvilEkips
Well, a vasectomy can be undone (unless they actually snip it, but they can just squeeze it off basically)
blonx
IUD. do it.
bambulina
Find the right doctor. Took me until I was 30, but I got it done. No kids first.
AllHailConsuela
Big reason I got mine. Didn't seem fair for my SO when neither of us want children.
IamfunatpartiesIknow
There are other options
katsrulz
Actually...the only real option that doesn't involve hormones is a copper T IUD which I found extremely unpleasant (it does work though!).
flapperfemmefatale
Right but I want something as permanent as a vasectomy
AquaHair
I'm on the Mirena and it's awesome. 5 years at least.
flapperfemmefatale
I've been thinking about an IUD but I'd probably go for the copper one.
flapperfemmefatale
I'd much rather get my tubes tied, though. If I ever want kids, I plan to adopt
CakesArePrettyGood
stab yourself in the womb
flapperfemmefatale
Thought about it during the cramps
SomeGeographer
My best friend's sister is 22 & had been adamant about getting her tubes tied since she was 14. She's been to 3 docs & none will do it.
katsrulz
I'm about to turn 39 and had the same problem in my 20's. To be fair though, I've recently pondered kids....probably still won't though.
flapperfemmefatale
I never even got that far with it. My insurance won't cover it if it's elective (at least, that's what they told me 6 years ago)
angrymoustacheseals
He made a note that it’s for ovarian cysts. Insurance took it
flapperfemmefatale
That's genius
SomeGeographer
It's ridiculous. Sorry you have to deal with that.
Isendunsolicitedpuppypics
Wouldn't do it for me in my 20s (dude). Especially cause I have no kids
angrymoustacheseals
I’m 34 and he said “if the mirena doesn’t work, and you still want to do it in five years, we’ll tie your tubes.” Ugh.
kiera91
I'm reading "if the mirena doesn't work" meaning it fails and you get knocked up. Wow, doc. Time to find a new one.
angrymoustacheseals
I have ovarian pain and some folks don’t take well to the mirena. Some women have it taken out after a few months.
foxmichaels
Considering it myself. Anything to watch out for?
3point1459
my husband regretted the decision. his left nut still hurts 12+ years later
kibal4ish
They have this newer thing; needle free
cinematicheart
Wear the tighty whities! My husband refused to weae them and his balls swelled in the basketballs
badmintonjunkie
I second this.
poronkusemania
Just take two days off from work afterward and have some ice packs. I drove myself home.
AllHailConsuela
Supportive underwear. Don't neglect sitting on a pack of frozen vegetables. Lighter exercise in the first soar days.
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desertclaw
Getting downvoted for loving his child is really disappointing Imgur. Man loves his kid, good for him. You don't want one, cool. No hate.
bellapadella
Thanks man :)
UsagiTheRabbit
That doesn't really apply to those of us who aren't hormonally attached to a tiny human. I like money and silence, personally.
bellapadella
Money and kids are not necessarily mutually exclusive.. silence unfortunately is out of the equation :)
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FiveShiftOne
That's great for you. It's not something I want for me, but I'm glad you're happy.
ThisIsLiterallySatan
Vasectomy’s sometimes don’t take. Make sure you continue to wrap it before you tap it
BreadyStinellis
There are a few ways to get it done, very few heal themselves. You're supposed to ejaculate 30 times and then get it checked to make sure no
BreadyStinellis
Sperm is left. The only people who get pregnant afterward are eirher A: purposely getring one that's more easily reversed, or B: not
BreadyStinellis
Following doctors orders and having unprotected sex before all of the sperm has left their balls (within 30 ejacts)