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Sandyundertones
For the record, no, people are not entitled yo their own version of reality.
TheRealRavnos
actually yeah we are. who the fuck put you in charge
danishjuggler21
Lol what record?
Impossibrew
some of these are getting into /r/im14andthisisdeep territory
TalliBighood
all of these FTFY
milfnappervan
v3rmilion
Will i guess technically people who support Trump have the minds of 14 year olds
98VoteForPedro
#10 hillary XD
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
Pence looked more like Spicer to me at first.
JimBobJim
BILL LET ME GO, I WANT THAT!!
AngronTheRedAngel
AStormOfGenius
Is that a Bionicle
Tarlon
I am Alpharius.
ThisMahSwamp
cogwork
Still concerned about your username but 40k always gets upvotes
DutchHandGrenade
cogwork
Still concerned about your username but 40k always gets upvotes
imshibagel
Unpopular opinion: No. We're here because people avoid what they're uncomfortable with and keep allowing shitty people to win votes and (1)
NaarDuVedHelgrindiStaarSkalEgFylgjeDegYverGjallarbruMedMinSong
I don't know about that...
brothertaddeus
Username does not check out.
AngronTheRedAngel
Wow it's just the nails in me head. Now that there out I'm cool I promise
cogwork
Still concerned about your username but 40k always gets upvotes
YouAreNotYourFuckingKhakis
Aerolfoz
imshibagel
The right people in office is important. And as can be seen, most people would rather see cat gifs than take patriotic responsibilities /3
AngronTheRedAngel
Bro I'm a political science major this is just a warhammer post
DeckhandAdmiral
Kill the heretic.
Lichelf
You mean the Imperial Creed. The Imperial Truth is actually heresy in modern the year 40k
AngronTheRedAngel
Pre-heresy world Eaters
iCommunicateInGifs
FreshPrinceofDenmark
Is that Kellyanne Conway?
imshibagel
Run the country. It's democratic to understand politics, be educated on what's happening, and vote appropriately for advancement. Putting (2
Elminster
i believed in you angron, don't do this
AngronTheRedAngel
Elminster
don't forget the khorneflakes
AngronTheRedAngel
Forgive me
Notawallplan
There's a fine line between consideration and hesitation. The former is wisdom, the latter is fear.
strugglesnuggler
Except the Imperial Truth is the most ignored thing there is. Big E didn't want to be worshiped and didn't want a church.
REV076
If you don't call the Inquisition, it's your problem.
Aerolfoz
StrokeFlavoured
LIES! He installed his puppets on Terra so he can become a living god, while his sons bled on the battlefield!
Nolfelix115
Skywatcher16
ya know, the more i see that, the more i hear the screeching come from the ones using it....
Mercenarity
Fool, you merely adopted autism.
tuxedobob
Last one seems kinda mean. I don't think gay people concern my 11-year-old at all.
iCommunicateInGifs
They exist, whether you deny reality or not. Are you afraid that your child is gay? It ain't contagious, promise.
tuxedobob
Did you read what I wrote or pick a couple words and make something up in your head?
TheLastCthulhuCultist
5edgy3me
ferdturguson
Oh good, someone took another pot shot at Boy Scouts. They really need to be taken down a notch...
Paasimus
Ban criticism? regressive-left beat you to it.
malfunctionm1ke
I think his hands are too big in all of these sketches
iCommunicateInGifs
Nope. They're YUGE! Like GINA!
TigerThong
So accurate its sad
RHFiesling
this art is attacked. Everywhere. Editors cut their political cartoons left right center. Support witty creative ppl: http://www.cagle.com/
iCommunicateInGifs
RHFiesling
what?
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krapmyself2
Bottom line: the rich don't care. Your skin, heritage, beliefs-they are all meaningless to them. All that matters is money.
Metronomicon
The ACA was also based on a Republican draft.
CaptainDPooly
which is why it was also a giant pile of shit. We will never get a good version with the BS party line crap dems/reps pull.
TheOvy
The one con Trump's been allowed to pull is his hair -- they should stop drawing it as so thick. It's not. Wanna hit him hard? Make it thin.
iCommunicateInGifs
Imagine the ensuing twitter rant.
patrickbeaty
Booooo!
CreativelySaid
Fuck y'all, complaining about the biased toons. Like this Admin isn't already the laughing stock of America. Obama wasn't a petulant child.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
No, he just led like one.
bigb340
Boy scouts expect gay adults and youth as well as transgender youth. This artist should check their facts...
AndPromisTomorrow
Thank you!
dennydorko
The artist may be satirizing those who *still* say the Boy Scouts shouldn't accept them. Or it could just be an old cartoon.
nipplepanties
I worked for the BSA for years and people were accepting long before the official policy change. At least in my area.
iCommunicateInGifs
"Expect".
SaltismySugar
Small typo, probably meant "accept".
AceFalcon117
You know what's funny, my boyfriend and I are both eagles and brothers in the OA, and I've never heard a single complaint
VoidIncarnate
Canadian scouts started accepting girls in 1972 for some segments and for the entire organization in 1998.
woodjoiner
The US boy scouts and a subset called "Venture Scout" that accept boys and girls.
Dagordae
Only after impressively big shitstorms.
MrNameisme
Only recently, should be mentioned.
concretetoucan
this comment is a very satisfying fail
bigb340
Was it now? Judging by the discussion that occurred after I posted it I would disagree with you.
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prepbatman
*cough* *cough*.... *waits patiently for correction/redaction.
PiggyWobbles
Axpect
MrBananaBeak
Have you checked yours? Those things happened recently. When was this cartoon published?
bigb340
Ban was lifted on Gay youth in January 2014, ban was lifted on gay adults July 2015, transgender ban was lifted about 2 months ago. I am 1/2
bigb340
assuming this cartoon was published within the last year.
Tunisia
BSA has historically been pretty socially regressive. Accepting trans scouts happened less than 2 months ago and they still don't (1)
Tunisia
accept atheists. (2)
ArtArchive
You know what, I wouldn't frikkin care if they didn't. I don't know why people think clubs must be forced to be all inclusive these days.
zzzb
You'd change your tune if you were the one being excluded, that's why
ArtArchive
No, I wouldn't. If a club doesn't want me, I don't join it. Problem solved.
Tunisia
Scouts was founded on the basis of being inclusive and crossing social boundaries. It's something the organisation should be pushing.
woodjoiner
Wrong. I'm an open atheist and an eagle scout. There are honors for religious service but none are needed for advanctment.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
I was part of a liberal council that wouldn't kick you out for being an atheist, but religious affiliation is a requirement.
woodjoiner
Are there councils that would actually kick a scout out if they were an atheist?
Tunisia
There are definitely tolerant groups at the local level, but the 'official line' is that theistic belief is a requirement. See below:
Tunisia
http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/10/03/belief-in-god-scouting/
stopdropandrollout
Wait what? Do they ask your religious affiliation when you apply to join?
MungoVitoGotHellaCats
I suppose it depend on the Troop. Lots of kids in my troop were atheist but we would still pray or whatever if they asked us to. 1/2
TopgunIsTheBestMovieEver
It's not so much asking for a religious affiliation, just a declaration in a belief in a higher power. Sadly it does exclude atheists.
MrMoosestache
Nah. It's about as enforced as jaywalking. Absolutely 0 fucks are given.
woodjoiner
No. As an eagle scout, my troop had all of the religions of the people that lived in my community. Lutheran, Catholic, Jewish, Athiest...
LettucePrime
Did any of the Athiest students become Eagle Scouts?
Tunisia
http://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2014/10/03/belief-in-god-scouting/
MungoVitoGotHellaCats
Our troop leaders must've known to an extent. Although we never made a big deal out of it. 2/2
FPAwperbad
Sometimes I wonder why imgur is so liberal. But then I see this and realize people here take Horsey seriously.
redoak77
Fuck Horsey.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
That's my pony!
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
That's my pony!
ODSTsRule
Putin executed Politic Correctness? Time to build a shrine in his honor and forgive him almost everything else. Down with the PC Bullshit!
iCommunicateInGifs
You realize every sane person reads that as code for "I wanna be an asshole, unchallenged", right? No? Alrighty then.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
They are far from sane if they want to give their freedoms up to the plutocrats who say they're too dangerous to be handled by the proles.
raidleadergutts
Nope, people are just against censorship, which is what political correctness does under the guise of "challenging assholes".
ODSTsRule
And i just now realized it says "Political Opponents", not Correctness. I should have watched the enlarged picture while on mobile.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
They are far from sane if they want to give their freedoms up to the plutocrats who say they're too dangerous to be handled by the proles.
ODSTsRule
I do realize that sanity on the internet is a rare and precious commodity not unlike common sense. And basicly PC boils down to limitation1/
ODSTsRule
of what is acceptable to say or even do in some cases. "You cant say x! Thats not what society deemed appropriate!!". It has become a tool2/
ODSTsRule
to silence thoose with differing opinions, just like in my home of germany where stating that taking in more than 1.000.000 "refugees" 3/x
ODSTsRule
may have been a mistake is deemed racist. Saying you dont feel safe in your own community anymore is racist. Telling the truth is racist.4/4
wherearemyknees
Last one is hilarious to me, because my scout camp was the gayest place in the state. It's like the navy, but with teenagers
AustinITguy
First, I do not like or support Trump. Now why am I the bad guy for wanting people to obey the law, take care of each other, and the Govt
AustinITguy
to leave us alone and not force it's way into every nook and cranny of our lives?
TristanVIII
Because socialism and forced altruism is the word of the day. You WILL cut off your own arm to support others.
zzzb
The socialist policies we have in place right now are the only things keeping the standard of living from plummeting for the general public.
AustinITguy
It is odd isn't it, we got to this standard of living without this many socialist policies, but now they are the only things keeping it...
whyteraven74
So how do you propose everyone be able to get health care?
AustinITguy
Please define health care.
AustinITguy
I am asking because you may (for example) be referring to Health Insurance and no solution I would propose would leave that in existence.
BreenW
Never been in the scouts. Is that a real badge?
RawSuger
these arent funy though
Lamech777
BattloidKouji
True, they're a little too close to the mark to be really funny.
playstation360
#10 is. Look at Hillary!
TheMouseOfMadness
No, they're terrifying, that's the point.
nipplepanties
Meh, I thought the tv one was clever
iCommunicateInGifs
Wtf? Dammit. I didn't mean to post this in "Funny". Damn, damn. That explains the hate. Anyways:
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awkwardbeautiful
Political cartoons are meant to be more poignant than funny.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
They're not poignant either. They're cliche.
TheRealDurdan
You laugh only to stop from crying
lalwaysupvotecatsandTHT
Political cartoons never are.
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lalwaysupvotecatsandTHT
Okay, AA is funny, but that's kinda different from the format of the usual political cartoon.
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iCommunicateInGifs
Stupid ways = accurately.
iCantImager
Everything about this annoyed me. Can we have more cat gifs instead of this?
BaconOnARock
That's political cartoons for you.
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
Aww, poor baby is "annoyed."
baileyboots36
Screw off...
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
I bet you're the type to call people "delicate snowflakes" aren't you? Fucking delicate snowflake is "annoyed" and wants cats!
iCantImager
This was an incredibly biased and offensive cartoon that was in bad taste. It's also fucking stupid. I'd rather come to Imgur for memes.
IAmJacksRagingBileDuct
It must be nice for all these political cartoonists to have work again after 8 years of not saying a goddam thing during the Obama admin.
ChoppinBroccolai
This comment should be higher.
cajuninjun
why, it's not like there weren't political cartoons of Obama
whyteraven74
Then you weren't paying attention.
Metronomicon
That's unfair. Cheerleading is work afterall.
grumpy173
Next you're going to tell us that conservatives never insulted Obama, called him ni**er, insulted Michelle, etc., right?
crm5590
Really? You never saw a political cartoon of Obama ??
hellifiknowwhatsgoingon
Few and far between, tbh. Not the saturation we have now (or for Bush Jr.) someone's going to have carpal tunnel from the constant drawing.
Kargathia
Cartoons thrive on the silly and simple. Great for Bushisms and Trumperific baloney, not so much for in-depth policy critiques.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
There's nothing inherently funny about a bomb every 20 minutes? The football analogies alone should have a year's worth of mileage.
Kargathia
Cynic in me says that that's mostly target audience - Americans don't know or care that "some arab" lives in constant fear of drone bombs.
dnalerb
Its funny how I dont remember a ton of these for Obama, or any Democrat for that matter
SarcasticComment
Political cartoons happen on a daily basis for any president. I'd recommend a quick google search to bring up critical depictions of Obama
TheThirdKindofHeat
There were plenty. If you image search Obama political cartoons you'll find page after page of critical ones.
Klingon00
Why weren't they posted here?
cyberspork
they were
cyberspork
either you are willfully ignorant or weren't paying attention
justlurkinfornow
Oh ffs aren't you tired by now of the liberals did it schtick? This constant whining about being ridiculed when being ridiculous.
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
Obama wasn't a retarded fascist.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Yeah, they had nothing real to criticize Obama on so they called him an American-hating, Muslim, his wife a man/monkey. Reps are slime.
DuckPlanetKing
That's cause Obama isn't that stupid.
cyberspork
also that, but there were plenty here
dnalerb
No, just corrupt.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Republicans lie about everything.
DuckPlanetKing
Still waiting for the examples...
dnalerb
Fast and furious, altering intelligence reports, using exec orders to edit obamacare, giving money to school districts to help push obamac
dnalerb
Fast and furious, altering intelligence reports, using exec orders to edit obamacare, giving money to school districts to help push obamac
cyberspork
examples?
dnalerb
There are so many examples its ridiculous, but you will not agree with any of them. You will come up with some lame excuse,
cyberspork
well give me some, that's why I asked
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iCommunicateInGifs
This tired bullshit.
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cyberspork
thats wrong, not corrupt
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Well, at least everybody in US is now involved in politics and makes sure there aren't any shenanigans going on. I'm sorry though.
Stratego89
Most people in the US are involved in politics but about half of them are INTENTIONALLY ENSURING shenanigans go on. Because idiots. FTFY
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
I really like word shenanigans.
Muddskipper2
Still plenty of shenanigans going on. People tend to pay attention to national but there's the whole front of local and state pol going on
lurkvoter
Plus it's not like us being involved means we can actually stop the shenanigans. The people can try, but the people have limited power.
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Well, there are always civil war. People can overthrow governments. This is currently happening (but with third party involvement [US of A])
IUsedToHaveUsernameOnce
Well probably, conspiracies within conspiracies. I'm not really aware how things work in US. But I'm glad people care about their country.
Klingon00
When both candidates say they are for expanding the surveillance state, we really didn't have a choice.
MemeDissector
O boy Horsey comics. What a bastion of unbiased truth on the state of the world.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
friendship really IS magical, shitlord!
grumpy173
And yet you can't refute a single one of them
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grumpy173
Still waiting for a refutation
MemeDissector
well, #8 for a start isn't true.
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MemeDissector
he doesn't literally believe protestors are supporters, and if you really think so, then http://imgur.com/mXyupD1
grumpy173
Despite his tweets claiming protesters as supporters. HAHAHAHA
Oteneo
Don't demonize ICE for 'tearing apart families.' I'm all for legal immigration, but don't fault law enforcement for enforcing the law.
LeonRoland
I think perhaps that sensitivity is the reason ICE is depicted as a robot in the cartoon.
OkButWhyWereTheyFilming
Yeah. And screw Skywalker for shooting all of those innocent Stormtroopers. It's not their fault they were enforcing the law!
Exsul
"I was only following orders" is not an acceptable excuse.
UserSubLurkerMan
Stop taking them from the courthouses you cold hearted bastards.
shrecknet
Do you want Magnetos? Because that's how you get Magnetos.
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
kinda need one at this point tbh.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
When it's a lose-lose scenario, deporting hard working immigrants based on a technicality is racist. Laws are unjust all the time.
ArtArchive
We do have the ridiculous law that if you're born in the US you're an automatic citizen, even if your parents aren't.
JaxTheSpaceCat
If this wasn't the law we would all be illegal.
ArtArchive
No. If only the children of citizens were automatic citizens it wouldn't be a problem.
iCommunicateInGifs
Was there a part of that specific cartoon that you found inaccurate?
Thekingofbeans
You could replaces ICE with any agency arresting a parent for any crime and the kids would be just as sad. Demonizing ICE is stupid.
iCommunicateInGifs
Pretty accurate depiction. Calling it stupid doesn't somehow make them less villainous.
Thekingofbeans
How are they villainous for arresting someone who is breaking the law?
iCommunicateInGifs
CrazyLikeEd
All good as long as you're following orders, amirite?!
DougForcett
What they're trying to highlight is the shift in ICE since Trump took office. Obama deported tons of illegal immigrants but was very (1)
DougForcett
discretionary about it. Under Trump they're deporting with a much broader brush and ignoring much of the specific circumstances. (2)
channelranger
He's also ignoring the DACA now. If ICE so much as thinks you may commit a crime, they can deport you.
channelranger
To make it clear- if you're protected under the DACA, they can deport you because they think you might be a threat. Not just anyone.
RichardWeedMD
I wish Americans with family from Europe knew how many their relatives were illegal. Ireland maybe the most
TankEngineer
It was a different time. You're Essentially asking why slavery was acceptable.
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physicsorpostagestamps
What isn't racist?
BlackOpalGalaxy
Things you like and agree with.
Muddskipper2
Everything is racist. Everything is racist according to me
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Like the Bundy's? Republicans use bullshit rationalizations for each thing they want to be racist about, but "illegality" is no problem /1
RagnarokChronofinNEW
Oh shut up, I am white, you wanna know how many black democrats have treated me poorly because I was white? ALL OF THEM.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
when it's people like the Bundy's fighting against BLM. It's always some made-up rationale. Deporting hard-working immigrants is both /2
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
cruel AND a lose-lose scenario, but wait, IT'S MISDEMEANOR TO BE HERE, That's their excuse, but it's just racism pure and simple. /3
GrumpyOldManWhatSignedUpToCommentThis
BLM SHOULD be fought. Not much different than the rail barons like Gould, just as a formless entity with official backing.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Well when the law tears apart families, I'd say criticism of the law on the basis of it tearing apart families is okay.
Oteneo
so when a citizen, for example, breaks the law they shouldn't go to jail because they would be separated from their family?
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Depends on the crime. Jaywalking? No. Murder? Yes. The question becomes where is the line?
Oteneo
are you aware of people that have been deported for jaywalking?
theresgarlicinthatnebula
I'm establishing the extremes in order to prove the point that a line needs to be negotiated.
Nikoelchico
Maybe its not so much a criticism of ICE, bit the policies they are supposed to enforce. I know its a beaten horse, but some Nazi's were
Nikoelchico
Also "just following orders"/the law...point is, thats not always correct or moral. I personally dont think it right to be seperating
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theresgarlicinthatnebula
"It's the law, I'm just enforcing it" should NEVER be used as an argument.
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Nikoelchico
, forcibly, Mothers from children based on place of birth...
quizadilla
Don't worry, the parents can take their anchor babies with them.
theresgarlicinthatnebula
No. Do you think every other country has open borders that we can just send US citizens to because their parents are illegal?
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theresgarlicinthatnebula
You shouldn't follow shitty laws.
BernieMittens
Exactly!
Stratego89
ICE has been caught (since Trump admin took over) on SEVERAL occasions tampering with documents to ship out legal immigrants....
Oteneo
then that would fall under the category of breaking the law, not enforcing it. also, source?
Stratego89
https://thinkprogress.org/daniel-ramirez-medina-lawyers-accuse-govt-alter-documents-8cfb3d522216#.2xufalhj6
RagnarokChronofinNEW
you want PROOF? you DO realize what you are asking for, right? The very thing most democrats hate!
Stratego89
1. I don't affiliate with any party, I just lean towards Democrats atm because the Republicans have gone COMPLETELY INSANE apparently.
iCommunicateInGifs
Is this alternate reality day?
Stratego89
2. https://thinkprogress.org/daniel-ramirez-medina-lawyers-accuse-govt-alter-documents-8cfb3d522216#.2xufalhj6 Proof.
RagnarokChronofinNEW
you DO realize that your "proof" frickin ADMITS he is an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. yes? As an illegal immigrant, our constitutional protections do
Watchtheadventuresofpeteandpete
I'm pretty sure there is actually a plan/law that they want passed that allows immigrants to be separated from their children.
Watchtheadventuresofpeteandpete
DHS is planning on separating parents from children as a deterrent to illegal immigration. Pretty sure this would be considered inhumane
Thekingofbeans
Then maybe don't drag your kids into an illegal practice with known consequences. The parents should bear responsibility as well.
Watchtheadventuresofpeteandpete
Still not a reason to treat people inhumanely. Most of the time people are trying to escape horrible/life threatening situations in their
Watchtheadventuresofpeteandpete
Homeland. Human beings should always be treated humanely especially children.
BattloidKouji
Obama deported millions of people, but he prioritized deportation of criminals and dangers to society. Contrary to what Trump says, his (1)
HalloweenAintTillManana
If they are illegal immigrants they are law breakers aka criminals.
Soulwindow
Have you gotten deported for riding that Trump D? That's illegal in a few states, as well.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
"Crime" in common speech is a *very* broad word: http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/classifications-of-crimes.html
Gambappe
Not breaking any law which is why deported and not in the criminal system.
HalloweenAintTillManana
If I snuck into Canada right now I would be convicted of a crime. It should be a crime for them too we just don't want them in our jails.
whatupmyknitters
what crime would you be charged with / convicted of? (serious question)
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
It's a FUCKING MISDEMEANOR dude. Did you have a problem with Bundy's illegally commandeering federal property with guns.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
The ONLY time republicans put a technicality like a misdemeanor over cheap labor and cheaper food, is when their racism is at stake.
HalloweenAintTillManana
It's so cheap it forces legal workers out of a job because the business legally can't pay them that little.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
It's a lose-lose scenario to deport hard working immigrants.
HalloweenAintTillManana
The legal hard working immigrants are free to do as they please. We have millions of them.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Republicans can't even adapt to a world where manufacturing is fading, they can't even compete with immigrants. Make them legal.
BattloidKouji
new immigration policy is a literal free for all. I personally think we need a two step solution. path to citizenship for people already (2)
mtallmen184
Or we could make them go back until they go through the legal immigration progress
JumpedtheGun
You're delusional if you think they won't just come back illegally. Saw a recent interview with someone who's been deported 4 times in 6 mo.
BattloidKouji
I'm talking about realistic solutions.
BattloidKouji
here, combined with MUCH stricter penalties for companies caught hiring illegal immigrants to decrease the labor demand for illegals. (3)
Counterfit
Isn't that basically the plan W tried to push? It was one of his few good policies.
anubis4567
AFAIK, his whole shtick before 9/11 was immigration reform.
iCommunicateInGifs
This is the correct answer.
skidabernackle
Seems like such an obvious decision....
evilspock
This is "the Nuremberg defense". "Just following orders" does not forgive the commitment of atrocities - like removing mothers from kids.
Thekingofbeans
What about removing mothers from kids for breaking any other law? Is that a Nuremberg defense too?
Oteneo
yes, bring the nazis into this. because rounding up and exterminating people is clearly in the same moral category as sending them home.
evilspock
And - understand: you are not "sending them home". They mostly live here - indeed, that's the problem. "Country of origin" is correct.
evilspock
You asked why we might fault ice for enforcing the law. I answered. Don't hide behind Godwin just because you don't like the answer.
Oteneo
I didn't ask anything, actually. If you think immigration law is immoral, make a case for that instead of 'hiding behind' a lazy comparison
evilspock
Lazy, but correct.
evilspock
And - understand: you are not "sending them home". They mostly live here - indeed, that's the problem. "Country of origin" is correct.
GapingAnalCavity
Can any American explain why throwing out *illegal* immigrants is, in any way, a controversial topic? Why do you even have borders?
TristanVIII
Some idiots believe we shouldn't.
whyteraven74
When it's someone who came to the United States as a young child and has lived here ever since, it gets to be an issue.
causality
Having a self-selected second class you don't have to give minimum wage or entitlements to is fucking awesome for everyone else.
WoeToHice
Dumping kids into the foster care system because you deported both parents *should* be a controversial topic.
CIAtimetravelinghitlerkiller
Your guess is as good as mine
GiantRobotsRule
It costs US taxpayers a hell of a lot more than it saves to take a breadwinner (who was brought here as a child) away from his American kids
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Because they benefit our society, deporting them is a lose-lose scenario. Legality is used as a technicality, but it's truly just racism.
TallGuy82
Not a race issue, a legal issue.
Softcreamybeige
Long answer short: our economic offshoring makes livable wages impossible in their countries (kickbacks to politicians to keep low wages) 1/
Softcreamybeige
We used to allow short term workers to come here for migrant positions (farming). This worked, for a long time, they'd go back home after 2/
Softcreamybeige
Then came the war on drugs (something something US govt, cocaine, iran, guns nicaragua....) and we decided to stop many short visas 3/
Softcreamybeige
Well, guess who needed people to work still (Americans can't work agriculture w/o tumbling the econonu) 4/
Tunisia
Trump's campaign promise of throwing out all illegal immigrants in a matter of months is not possible given constitutionally-mandated (1)
Tunisia
due process. So promising to do it is promising to break the constitution. Also, it's less the enforcement of illegal immigration and (2)
Tunisia
more the divisive, racist rhetoric which is used to stir up support for it. (3)
evilblackdog
Isn't due process for our citizens?
DrinkySmurf
Time for you to get an education! http://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+due+process+covers+in+the+US
Tunisia
No, SCOTUS has determined that it applies to everyone in the US, regardless of citizenship or immigration status.
Counterfit
The only parts of the Constitution that don't apply to non-citizens are voting rights and one other thing that I can't remember. Jury duty?
PillaPlease
Many people come to flee violence. Sending them back isn't the answer.
CIAtimetravelinghitlerkiller
Just because a human has the right to life does not mean we have to provide it to everyone
PillaPlease
I'll be sure not to flinch when someone has a gun pointed at your head and threatens to kill your whole family.
CIAtimetravelinghitlerkiller
Any you dont have to interfere (unless you have sworn an oath aka. police). We do not have to protect people in other countries either. /
DahPanda72
You're right it isn't but we aren't trying to be the answer to the citizens of another country.
PillaPlease
That's right. Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em all. Fuck you, too, and take the down vote fairies with you.
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Because America, unlike every other country in the world, needs to be open to literally anyone who wants to come.
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Nobody said "literally anyone"
TheRockDude
Cuz it's not like America has a statue that promises opportunity and freedom to the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
Poems on statues is not a basis for public policy.
TheRockDude
Well, I was going to elaborate on how America was trying to sell itself as the land of opportunity to foreigners, only to greet foreigners -
Genini
Well damn I guess I can stop carving addendums down at the courthouse then.
mojo69
Can't tell if your being sarcastic.
d0o0o0d
Check the username.
Thedailywumbo
Yes they are
nanyatenyaa
Because there are cases where there is grey area. For example, certain laws protect children who are now adults from deportation.
MoldyCheeseburgers
Probably would have dodged that whole catastrophy if you required a parent to be American to get citizenship.
GiantRobotsRule
Won't happen without changing the US Constitution. 14th says if you're born here, you're American.
nanyatenyaa
That case can be their visa expires and the kid doesn't have citizenship. There hundreds are scenarios you can't think of that happen.
MoldyCheeseburgers
How's that different? If he's on a visa he's not American.
nanyatenyaa
One man was deported because he received poor advice from an immigration attorney who didn't properly file documentation.
weeBob
Because lots of people feel that because America is *rich*, we should be obligated to solve other people's problems. It's a guilt thing.
HitlersForeskin
So true
jesusfuckingchristwhatnameisnttaken4
Immigrants have helped us become rich, despite what Fox or Breitbart tells you.
northcarolinaisbeststate
Don't forget us people who think its stupid you need visas and passports to go to countries.
GapingAnalCavity
Same argument in Europe but hardly anyone here is arguing that people who enter illegally should be allowed to stay.
WhatzitTooya
Uhm, most of the middle-eastern Refugees entered illegally, about half of them gets to stay since they come from a war zone...
HitlersForeskin
That's because y'all are intelligent
ThisDique
Babies are born in the US and given citizenship automatically. It's like a fast tracking citizenship through your child and asking for pitty
HitlersForeskin
Amen brother
PamelaSplooshPoovey
They're called "anchor babies."
SyntheticDivine
Our immigration system is broken, it takes years to go through the legal way. For people in dangerous situations waiting can be dangerous.
quizadilla
Wait so Legal immigration takes a backseat to people who feel they don't have the time? That's stupid. Nobody will immigrate legally then
cajuninjun
most don't immigrate legally because of the cost and time, make it easier/cheaper and illegal immigration will decline drastically
quizadilla
See, now that is a logical and reasonable solution that I can agree with.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Worth noting, most illegal immigrants come into the country legally, but it takes so damn long for citizenship that they overstay their visa
d0o0o0d
Tourist visas are meant to be a way to visit Disneyland, not a way to become a citizen.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
Who said anything about tourist visas? Or did you just decide that it was easier to argue against that and ignore the actual convo?
CommentsWithGandalf
Sucks to be them, not our obligation to protect someone who is not even a citizen.
MoreAshyThanLarry
...stuff people with no heart say
TheThirdKindofHeat
The point is that it's all well and good to say that someone should wait and enter legally, but for some people, especially those coming >
TheThirdKindofHeat
from Central America, that's simply not a tenable option especially considering how long (and expensive) the US immigration process is.
ColoradoCattleCo
As a farmer, I can promise that you will greatly regret this deportation of "illegals" when you're at the grocery store in a couple years.
yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes
Dis
YesButAlsoYes
This is hilarious to me because in the same breath people are demanding minimum wage increases, but don't mind illegals getting paid dirt
theresgarlicinthatnebula
Uh... no. We want illegals to get citizenship so they DO get paid properly. https://youtu.be/zOCEQJtcEIw
YesButAlsoYes
Ok then your food will cost more. You can't have both. I'm not saying either is better but the money has to come from somewhere
ColoradoCattleCo
In my county, illegals are paid minimum wage. You don't get in trouble for hiring seasonal illegals. You sure can for not paying minimum wg
ColoradoCattleCo
I also pay for medical and healthcare as long as they r here. Sometimes that's all they get in a yr. Treat them like shit, no help next yr
HalloweenAintTillManana
So you're saying only illegal immigrants applied for your jobs? No legal ones?
ColoradoCattleCo
I have 2 citizens, 1 illegal employed year-round. Seasonal labor in my area has not a single legal willing to work. My county: 4% unemployme
HalloweenAintTillManana
Kinda makes no sense you say legal Mexicans won't take the work either. I've seen them rake blueberries for .60 cents a bucket.
HalloweenAintTillManana
You either pay shit or its just grueling work.
HitlersForeskin
As a citizen who grows his own vegtables, fuck you for using illigal immagrants and paying those poor souls shitty wages so you can profit
ColoradoCattleCo
You seriously have no clue how this works. 2% of US workers are ag. They produce ALL your food so you have spare time to troll the internet.
HitlersForeskin
I hate to break it to you but they produce probably about .0000025% of what I actually consume. Which is the sugar I use to make hooch.
ColoradoCattleCo
Seriously?! Fuck you, Hitler. I pay well and also pay 100% of their medical costs. I have NEVER had a white person apply. Come on out!
HalloweenAintTillManana
Ya white person won't apply because he doesnt want to work with a bunch of illegals. Makes it feel dirty.
slanger
Yep, that's the thing. Most Americans don't want manual labor jobs.
HitlersForeskin
And if you pay well and give 100% medical then the only reason you wouldn't be able to find workers is if it was below minimum wage.
HitlersForeskin
Me and Hitler were separated at birth, I have no affiliation with that asshat. And I grow my own vegtables so I don't have to pick/ buys urs
Mushroombadger
Yeah remember when all Americans just starved to death before the surge of illegal immigration from Mexico?
ColoradoCattleCo
You're so right. Before them it was the Japanese, preceded by the Russians, Germans, Irish, Italians and Norwegians. An immigrant COUNTRY!
Mushroombadger
Yeah who yaknow came to the country through legal means. Maybe you should advocate for work visa reform instead of just letting all illegals
reaperhugs
A country of LEGAL immigrants. There's a difference.