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The Sideways Gun Gangster Pose
Popularized during the gang related crime waves of the 1990s, it holds the reputation for both "looking pretty sick" and being "the worst way to shoot, ever".
But why is it a thing?
Meet The Mac Ten Machine Pistol
You remember these. Often referred to as an "Oozy", and commonly confused with its distant relative the Tech nine. Used by US Special Forces during Vietnam, a staple of the Spanish Police, and produced heavily during the 1970s.
They are prone to jams, overheating, are notoriously inaccurate, and tend to fire all of their ammunition in about 1 & 1/2 seconds.
This is a Tech Nine. Not an Oozy
Machine pistols and handguns flooded the civilian black markets during the 70s-90s, mainly from disused military stock. (Like Russian selling their cold war shit while the Soviet union collapsed, same idea.)
Mainly Used Indoors, At Very Close Range
These guns have a tendency to fire very quickly, and jump upwards during recoil, making the accuracy very poor. Short barrel length and the use of either 45 or 9mm calibers only worsen its already bad accuracy.
Fiddy
Living proof that these guns are not a very effective killing tool, even at ten feet.
Recoil, Make It Work For You
Unless you wanted to shred the plaster about 5 feet above your targets head, you would turn it sideways. This allowed a shooter to spray 10 feet of a city block with hot molten rage during a driveby, or have a better hit chance when firing at a crowd spread down a sidewalk.
In Conclusion
If it's a pistol, hold it up right, firing one shot at a time, like a normal serial ki-person. Machine pistols are the only weapon suitable for this pose, and Its only because of the innate flaws of the gun itself.
Bender Tax.
"Shut up baby, I know it."
FP EDIT: Firstly, I think "plague mouthed idiot" is the best thing I've ever heard. Secondly, since this did not die deep in user sub as suspected, it may be fair to clear up some of the, er, technical mistakes. I wrote this three times on mobile app, before it finally worked, and was quite drunk at the time, leading to some of the slipper portions of this, unfortunately including the usage of "oozy". That bit right there, straight up me being stupid. And I believe that's a picture of a Mac 11, not even a Mac 10. I won't even go into listing the other inaccuracies, basically, forget everything you just read. I am excited to see you all in Ep. 2 "Handshakes, Originally Done With Feet"
Good day. Love, -plague mouthed retard
geiokami
A Mac-10 is not an uzi, they are different weapons completely.
fairybug
There is way too much wrong with this for the character limit I have.
Vectron
Mac-10 and Uzi are two completely different guns.
Unverified
You fucked this post all the way up, downvote.
SleeperBot
Yes, I can see that. I'm ok with it. At least its not a blood moon, riiiiggghhttt?
HAPPS
rudejohn
I don't want you to do an Ep. 2 because you don't know jack shit about the subject.
Taterzlol
ITS SIDEWAYS! THAT'S A KILLSHOT!!
volatiley
or eye damage
justchasinglight
I loved that movie!
advancedeasymoneysleeping
Uzi =/= MAC-10
SilentZed
There should have been a blurb also about the difference between standard machine guns, submachine guns, and machine pistols.
Frederf
OP "People sometimes say 2+3=7" Comments "OP is an idiot that doesn't know how to add."
advancedeasymoneysleeping
Fair enough!
Max209
raise awareness!
RecentlyReaped
THIS is exactly what I was thinking. Uzi are Israeli made
tyaak
THANK YOU
mydadcoulddoanything
Haters are gonna be on this one hard. But inaccuracy doesn't correlate directly to 45 ACP or 9mm calibers, and "short" barrel is relative.
Klingon00
Exactly, open bolt vs closed bolt operating systems have a much bigger impact.
Ghost0fDawn
I've never seen someone confuse a Tech Nine And Mac Ten for each other. Also, it's commonly "Uzi," not "Oozy." Like for real dude?!
volatiley
like yeah totally
CourtMandated
+3 valleygirl points
TimeFoDat
Well, I'm impressed that you did this long shitpost from a mobile device. You got that going for you.
SleeperBot
Yea, great idea, that...
Kind0ne
BuddhasLittleWarlock
Everything about this post is wrong.
LoudAngryJerk
going through it the only parts i can find which are true are things like "mac 10 is a gun" and "tec 9 is also a gun"
BuddhasLittleWarlock
I know right? It's like "Oozy?" Are you serious?
LoudAngryJerk
and yet, the last 3 times i've seen this post, it's doubled in points each time.
BuddhasLittleWarlock
That's bullshit.
LoudAngryJerk
first time i saw it it was 800 pts, second time was 1600, next was 4200
sum1ne1
Added to "Things I didn't realize I was curious about"
SpecimenSpiff
Like bikes. I'm bike curious.
volatiley
involuntary curiosity
ordohereticusinquisitor
Pretty much all of what OP said about guns was wrong so I doubt any of the rest is true.
PoIluticorn
I would add it as well.... IF I HAD FAVORITE FOLDERS
Spedytor
He doesn't even know what he is talking about why is this FP?
McFarvo
imgur is made up mostly of anti-gun ignorami who also have a fascination with guns/violence in entertainment media? I'm just asking
NOINITIATIVE
OP studied at the GTA institute of shootology
NOINITIATIVE
Mac-10's were used by special forces, CIA, and the U.S. Secret Service (and every other country in the world) they aren't that inaccurate
NOINOON
Because OP sounds convincing and most people here are clueless retards.
volatiley
*who vote
SurelyNotAWalrus
Everyone has different interests. Ignorance about various subjects is gonna happen as a result of not having infinite time.
GDAkula
Yeah I have an idea for Ep. 2 OP how about you learn what in the fuck you're actually talking about.
SleeperBot
Sure sure, but really, how much less fun would that be
aggressivelysouthern
this is dumb and you are wrong please stop
PostingFromMyBeeper
Why it's a thing ep 2: 15% customary tip for waitstaff at restaurants
volatiley
purported by waitstaff
LordNoodles
Back in college I had wait staff who would complain all the time, but they made averages of $13/hr when min wage was $6.75.
CourtMandated
who do more than take order and deliver food?
SleeperBot
Good idea, I'll put that on the white board
Nariom
easy : because greedy owners won't pay decent wadges, allowing lower prices so more customers, who are asked to tip anyway, broken logic
volatiley
don't take the job
CourtMandated
but i want to have my whine and drink it, too!!!!
Nariom
moreover, competition force the ones not doing it to follow the trend or to struggle financially
ManOnTheKnoll
you're a dumbass op. super dumbass
SleeperBot
Second favorite under "plague mouthed idiot"
ManOnTheKnoll
lol
Durzaka
So, when can I start turning my MAC 10 sideways while playing CS GO?
justchasinglight
Um... I think you mean "Uzi," because it looks like a smaller, similar version of the Uzi pistol.
SleeperBot
Well, I do mean Uzi, but not because of that I'm afraid. It's based on the name of the creator. It's down here in the comments somwhere
KingsAndQueens
Your post is shocking, mate.
RichardNugget
Uzi, named after Uziel Gal, the designer.
grambonator
I shot an Uzi a while back (semi auto).
grambonator
It was pretty cool.
ChloeRed
Who didn't want his name on it, iirc.. you never seem to win that kind of argument.. ;)
69spoopy420me
Oozy, named after this rather large pimple I had on my back last week, which shot out pus as fast as a machine gun.
equityforpunks
There's also this superior rarity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jatimatic
usernameisnolongeravailabl3
Also, there are no Uzis in this entire post lol
SleeperBot
Yes. This is correct. OP is sober now, and surprised that this is still alive
theh8ed
This is what I came to say. An Uzi is a similar yet entirely different machine pistol.
SleeperBot
Thanks Richard, I'll try add more info next one, mobile app made me rewrite this three times before it posted properly
flightlessfruit
then pls also add that the MAC-10 is *incorrectly* referred to as an "Oozy" since the Uzi is a different gun.
CruisinDownTheStreet64
I thought OP was being funny. as in "gangstas" dont know the difference
flightlessfruit
I assumed that at first but reading the comment section a lot of people understood it different so a clarification would be appropriate.
SleeperBot
OP made some clerical mistakes here, as he was boozing. Deeply apologetic.
GetOffMyLawnYa
Please keep ep. 2 to yourself. The world is dumb enough.
KingsAndQueens
This comment had me rolling, thanks.
GetOffMyLawnYa
Glad to get 'cha movin'.
triscuit3000
This is getting upvoted because it's so hilariously wrong, right? RIGHT!?
SleeperBot
No clue.
ObeBradford
They held it sideways in cinema so that the hot shells wouldn't hit actors faces. People thought it looked cool and started going it. (1/2)
NovellvsCisco
Sideways pistol comes from, putting it in somebodies mouth and wanting 2 understand them. Less lose of control and positioning...
ObeBradford
As a secondary use: It allows you to see the actors faces better. (2/2)
NovellvsCisco
This movie stuff is also true. Directors just took it ovrrboard, and moviegoers followed
stilloldbull
Could someone from the military with actual weapons training explain this better, please?
thundercactus
Shell casings are HOT and spraying them upwards in a small area is a piss poor idea.
cogs
Detailed explanation from a former military competitive shooter: OP's full of shit. Not sure if they're trolling or serious, though.
Rutroraggy
10/10 military think this is some kind of foolishness.
Draygen
I'm not from the military but I have some weapons training and pretty much everything OP said is bullshit that he made up.
stilloldbull
I spent some time in the military, not a weapons guy but a qualified marksman- thought the same thing- complete nonsense!
Draygen
Yeah, I think OP did all of his research by watching shitty movies.
InboxMeYourGermanShepherds
The only accurate info is the crappy accuracy of the Mac-10
idpassr
Compact design combined with heavy open bolt design does not lend itself to accuracy. But it's as good as the user.
KingFarva
Only if you leave the stock upper on the weapon. Plenty of aftermarket uppers out there that improve upon the accuracy.
Razorandass100
Tech N9ne
VladimirtheInhaler
STRAAAAAANGE!
FapsMcGinty
I knew I wasn't alone here.
ForestRed
Nninene?
Razorandass100
Lol he's a rapper
Bleedingfrog
As a Marine, who knows his shit, OP is a plague mouth retard, which is a retard who makes more retards.
ohpistolpete
I'm stealing this. Additionally, I laughed at "Guns are not an effective killing tool"
LoudAngryJerk
you, I like you.
Bleedingfrog
As do I. :)
spookyu
You need more upvotes for this, it's so well put.
Bleedingfrog
*opinion
Bleedingfrog
I appreciate your complement because I feel like your option on it is so true.
spookyu
I've been known to spin a clever quip like that being a fellow enlisted man, but marines always give em a special flare, I must say.
Ilikefluffythings
Clearly! It's a Rek 9 not a Tech nine.
Bleedingfrog
Fun fackt about a rekt nine. Navy seals use them and the are held together by 1 "bolt". Google tek 9
Ilikefluffythings
Oh is it a rekt 9... damnit. I googled Tech 9 and I came across a rapper named Tech n9ne. I'm a bit disappointed.
Koztah
This was my first thought, but not in those words. My brain articulated it as "the Mac-10 has a folding stock for a reason."
Bleedingfrog
The folding stock on the Mac-10 is a counter weight more or less. I don't see that Automatic POC being used efficiently ever.
Koztah
Maybe some kind of heat shield on top, you could hold the muzzle down. But then there's hot casings all over the place.
Bleedingfrog
A compensator would do that. But yes casings would go everywhere. If you attempt to stop casings from flying you're going to end up jamming
Koztah
A Mac 10 stovepiping? Gee that never happens :P
b0r3dw0rk3r
As a gun owner, I like you. Updoot
Bleedingfrog
I thank you for you support, of guns of course.
b0r3dw0rk3r
If I could, I'd give you a second updoot on the same post for serving in the Corps
kiDDarknessssS
For OP http://imgur.com/8KNUC5j
Bleedingfrog
Yes! Yes yes yes!
Zakone
AS A MARINE
Bleedingfrog
Hoorah.
KingFarva
"70s-90s civilian black market"? You realize most macs were legally purchased and registered as machineguns before the 86 Hughes amendment?
WhyAmINotASaiyan
So what is the real reason people hold it sideways then, just because it's cool?
MrPancakes
Basically with most things, it had a purpose and was shown in movies, which then spread into "pop culture" where it was done for looks.
WhyAmINotASaiyan
I know but what i'm asking is what is the original purpose, because this explanation doesn't seem so far fetched.
MrPancakes
The rumor was old gangsters would slightly tilt there guns to the side letting the recoil of such weapons "fan" the spread of the 1/?
MrPancakes
bullets so they would recoil horizontally in a sort of sideways zig zag formation and therefore increase hit probability. 2/?
Bleedingfrog
Just because *they think* it looks cool
ArdenJace
"Plague mouth retard." Mind if I borrow that phrase?
Bleedingfrog
Use it as you'd like.
s0crat3s
I'm an avid shooter and he's so full of it. They hold it sideways to control the flight of spent casings, or because they don't know better.
spookyu
I was going to mention the spent casing thing, they'd drop into the vehicle instead of out the window, less evidence. Still dumb but better.
Bleedingfrog
If you were that concerned about spend casings don't use a full Auto.... that was a dumb comment.
s0crat3s
the myth reportedly comes from drive by shootings where the shooters want to keep the casings in the car and not go out on the street.
Bleedingfrog
The the weapon would have to be in the car anyways. They wouldn't have it outside the car.
s0crat3s
Of course. I'm just saying that's where the myth comes from.
hnk416
Interesting note; this is shown off in the intro sequence of MGSV: The Phantom Pain. They even adjust for the horizontal recoil.
aramil31
They reason the XOF soldiers hold it sideways there because it's the only way they can get an iron sight picture wearing a gas mask.
hnk416
Egg on my face! I just saw how tightly grouped they got in formation and assumed it was to prevent casings from flying in to their face.
aramil31
Probably didn't hurt to not have casings in your face regardless.
GetSchwifty
Its to show you mean business bruh. Holding regular? Aint intimidating. Sideways? Fawk that.
OnceUponATimeInAzeroth
First item of business: ahh you gotta get schwifty!!! Second: a gun pointed at me is already intimidating enough regardless of the position.
Hangman11
http://imgur.com/HbLey8d
JustABitCrzy
I've never fired anything but a bolt action rifle, but is kick not just the natural way your arm moves when the gun pushes backwards? (1/2)
Bleedingfrog
Kick is the weapon pushing into you as the hammer moves back due to dynamic energy from the round
JustABitCrzy
That is exactly what I thought so would that not mean that holding it sideways would still result in upwards kick?
Bleedingfrog
Kick generally pushes backwards however it also has to do with the balance of weight around the barrel so most guns kick up.
ps238principal
"Oozy?" Seriously? How did you come up with that?
PinPointSnarkuracy
Does no one remember the Beetlejuice cartoon where Lydia went to shoot this gun and all it did was ooze green stuff? Just me? Ok then...
SecretBoardOfShadowyFigures
I do remember that! Lydia got sucked into the game, and there was some kind of virus or something. Man, I miss that show.
PinPointSnarkuracy
"That hurts.... That MEGA HURTS" HOOT HOOT
SecretBoardOfShadowyFigures
Found it! http://thuan.optplay.com/watch/20399/beetlejuice-1989-1991/episode-69-vidiots
CourtMandated
oozy usbern
smc1987
Exactly where I stopped reading. Can't trust anything after than point.
smoogy
I think it's because the Uzi is something else and the slang for the mac-10 is oozi just to clarify he actually knows what an Uzi is
remad
oozy 9mm called in uk
ps238principal
Uzi.
SleeperBot
Ahh. Yes. Thank you. I am tired
remad
lol forgot sarcasm does not translate in text its 4:00am sorry
remad
tryed quoting arnold schwarzenegger
SleeperBot
Aahahaha now I hear it
majorfeelsbro
I think OP meant Uzi.
SleeperBot
Yes, OP should maybe not drink and write.
fractald
Except that an Uzi is a completely different weapon?
flightlessfruit
I thought you wrote it like that to imply that it's incorrect slang bullshit to call it that?
SleeperBot
I wish. Mobile app ate three drafts of this, it got worse each forced rewrite.
flightlessfruit
yeah, that sucks. when I write longer texts on mobile, I copy them from time to time in case whatever app I'm using crashes or something.
SleeperBot
Maybe because it oozes bullets, or death, Idk. Sounds gross, but that's the name
hoboranger
retard
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Are you fucking with us? Or do you not know what an Uzi is?
SleeperBot
I did spell Uzi wrong yes. I'm drunk. My bad. I am open to any other info
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
2) use, for a time, by the US Secret Service is a cool footnote.
storebrandproductmascot
That sounds like the kind of mistake you'd make anyway and then blame on being drunk.
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
Be cool if someone explained to the masses exactly what a submachine gun is. Most don't know. Also the Uzi has a very rich history, and its
KleptoFerret
The Uzi is a very different firearm from the Mac10. Do some research. Mac 10 is US made, Uzi is Israeli made.
SleeperBot
Yes I shortened this up a lot after mobile app ate it three times, and I've been boozing. Next will be better Klepto. Thx
AHorticulturistIsJustANerdyGardener
OP gotta be fucking with us. "Oozy" instead of "Uzi", "Tech Nine" instead of "TEC-9" - is funny though.
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emberfish
That's how you pronounce it though, according to the man himself.
FleeingSafe
Oozy oosbourne
TheGirafe
I love the tec-9 in combat arms, they say it's a sub machine gun though, not a pistol
Luubox
At least he didn't write Swag10 and Rek9
ExoFox
Big Mac and Rekt9.
chalupajones
Oozie
TucoBenedictoPacificoJuanMariaRamirez
Seriously though, I cringed. It's called canting.
Auroraceratops
I was literally about to comment on a fit of rage" it's a TEC-9 and an Uzi you fucking casual" then I read this
WeRSpecialPeople
Rek-9* fixed it for the CSGO players
CourtMandated
naturally
porkbeast3000
His name is actually stylized as Tech N9ne
kiDDarknessssS
Nikonastra
Considering the culture that used the guns, mostly uneducated "gangstas", not hard to say they called them those dumb names. They're idiots.
AlcoholicAtaxia
Tech Nein
Dominian
Don't you just love it when 14 year old illiterates are explaining the world to you?
graspee
childsplaining!
forceri
An Oozy? I'm not from South Central Los fucking Angeles. I didn't come here to shoot twenty black ten year olds in a drive-by.
toeshoes
came for the technical inaccuracies, stayed for someone telling this guy off. +1
elbart
If there is one thing I learned from playing Tomb Raider, it's the name Uzi.
zeo868
like the rappers?
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SleeperBot
MRW I re-read the stuff I wrote last night. But, eh, OP To lazy to make actually good content.
Treblaine
I don't think he's saying that's the official name but "Often referred to as". I mean he put it in quotation marks, knowing its incorrect.
SleeperBot
OP wishes that was the case. I do know it's Uzi, I just got super drunk and lazy as fuck. Figured it would die in User Sub. Oops.
CziltangBrone
In OP's defense, lots of people ignorantly call anything that resembles a submachinegun an "Uzi" and lots of people are bad at spelling.
SleeperBot
Drunk writing, made this three times before mobile app decided not to eat it. Got lazier each time.
jserov
Umm the mac is mac, and an uzi is yet a 3rd gun
ASAPSleep
+1 for drunk imgur
eggmuffin
Why do you think people get the MAC-10 confused with the TEC-9? They look nothing alike. It's far more likely to be confused with the Uzi.
ADocNamedSue
Same way people confuse ARs with Kalashnikovs.
BrickForAnOre
But...uzi is shorter to write than oozy
Bammit
Guessing auto-erect is partially at blame, always popping up at the wrong time
BrickForAnOre
Oh, just like my morning high school bus rides
PsychopompGecko
Plus, they left out that the technique predated all that thanks to the C96 Mauser
ImSoHM02
Thank you, it was actually really annoying me.
BrettTurner
I was thinking both of those things and I'm not even a gun guy... you're amazing and I love you.
ASAPSleep
Tech N9ne or Techa Nina work too.
UpsetFace
That's what I was thinking, lol
HalloweenAintTillManana
*Tecca Nina, but close enough. 6688846993.
ScooterBrothers
I love seeing other random Technicians on the interweb c:
Winterharte
My uncle used to smoke with Tech N9ne before he made it big, always weird to me when I just know him as my uncle's old friend.
TwoBitGreaser
I don't think the uzi 9mm and the Mac-10 are the same gun. Also if you fire like that, a fountain of hot shell casings will hit you.
ChloeRed
They aren't, you are correct. the MAC-10 is a USA weapon, the Uzi is an Israeli design. Good overview www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxzZJjDRdeo
Gr00ver
You're correct. The Uzi is the israeli original, while the Mac-10 is an american gun, that's pretty similar to the Uzi though.
ShadowStorm197498
No, the Uzi is an Israeli creation, and is far far better than a mac 10
GBlair88
https://en.wikipedia.org/w">wiki/Uzi">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-10 Same basic shape, but completely different gun. (1)
Wewk
To be fair a lot of guns have the same basic shape.
soso456
lefty disagree. Source : I'm not one of them
Treblaine
I don't think OP thinks that either, just noting the MAC-10 is often erroneously referred to as an Uzi.
MyLifeisaComplicatedDrinkingGame
They aren't, they're completely different.
Nalianna
https://en.wikipedia.org/w">AC-10">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-10 vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzi . (Developed by Gordon B. Ingram and Major Uziel Gal respectively)
lunchbox1911
Correct. Uzi is a closed bolt, and originally the Mac 10 was open bolt.
Treblaine
Nope, the original Uzi was open bolt.
docthrobulator
Civilian Uzis are closed bolt. Military ones are open bolt.
lunchbox1911
I completely forgot about that too, thank you.
docthrobulator
You're welcome
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
You turn it sideways, but with the ejection port down. Hot shell casings hit floor. No burning owies. Dead enemies. Profit.
Jeeves1
Even if they do hit you it would be after enough time for a sizable spray
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/506/necropost2.jpg
TwoBitGreaser
Works if you're left-handed.
TheSpookyMrSkeltal
It looks as I have the advantage with a gun with the ejection port on the right now!
SlightlyRelatedToThePost
This is a machine pistol. Let's not get hung up on accuracy here. Most are coordinated enough to point in a general direction & squeeze.
GBlair88
The Mac is commonly called an Uzi though, so it's a grey area. Similar to calling magazines clips. (2)
SpoonOfDoom
As someone whose only experience with guns is through videogames: what is the difference between a magazine and a clip? Or is clip just BS?
Thor561
A clip is used to feed or hold bullets in a magazine. A magazine can be detachable or part of the gun itself.
WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyFox
them together until they're loaded. A 'detachable box magazine' is a replaceable part that both contains and feeds the ammo[2/2]
WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyFox
Clips are a means of reloading an 'internal magazine' rapidly; rather than inserting one bullet at a time into a rifle, the clip holds [1/2]
WibblyWobblyTimeyWimeyFox
For a visual comparison: http://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Clip-vs.-Magazine.jpg
BirdMcGuy
Doesn't the uzi look different too though?
Cheomesh
The Uzi is a completely different weapon.
GBlair88
The shared T shape and magazine location make them similar enough to confuse people. They do of course actually look different.
SleeperBot
Uzi has a forgrip, and is longer.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
"Of course it all started in the 20s with the Thompson submachine gun, sometimes referred to as a 'To-Me Gun'."
StephLovik
Read that as "to me" now I just picture an FPS where you have a gun that draws anyone the bullets hit towards your avatar.
SoftFur
The man with the gun is always grammatically correct.
BottomKek
Which was proceeded by smooth bore rifles know as "moose-kits"
Taikwin
Well hello there Grandpa Chuckle.
LionheartAce
I believe you... BUT MY TO-ME GUN DON'T!
MikePwnsYou
A fellow Brand New fan?!
vanillamellow
I am!!!
JohnnyTheBlade
I believe that to be a quote from the movie-in-a-movie "Angels With Filthier Souls", from Home Alone 2: Lost in New York
urmommasfartbox
Merry Christmas, you filthy animal.