Aug 30, 2021 7:25 AM
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Shaodyn
The feud started with an argument about the ownership of two hogs and escalated over Hatfield's interest in McCoy's daughter.
Devils41
According to my grandma on my mom's side, my family were neighbors to both during this feud lol.
SigilLovesSpace
So why are you bringing up my family history? Did one of them do something stupid?
OpenFacedClubSandwich
As a non- American, I know about Hatfields and McCoys from Tex Avery cartoons.
WokeGhettoSpiritualist
Im surprised the communities they were in tolerated them as well as they did. Both families should've ended up strung from twin trees.
SirMarcsalot
I have McCoy family living next door to us. We're more of a Hatfield type around here.
twitch760
There's a pretty good mini-series about it on History actually.
zeacorzeppelin10
They still fucking hate each other. It's like Romeo and Juliette but way dumber and with way less teeth.
twisster76
Now do one on the Lawson-Hill feud.
Sporkeldee
The hatfield family operated a diner/general store down the road from my childhood home.
nosaucesbutapplesauces
I am a pool shootin' boy, My name Willie McCoy, But down home they call me slim
AwesomeBorderCollies
My mother’s family are Hatfields from WVa. Family get togethers we’re always embarrassing. They were all friggin nuts.
saganation
My godfather is a Hatfield actually
ArneLoff
I think a Lucky Luke story was based on this feud.
RandyFool
I'm related to the McCoys, and found out that my family long ago donated the land that became the Breaks national park.
Arriella8888
My great uncle was a Hatfield (I think) at birth and adopted by my great grandparents as a baby. He was a getaway drive for Bonnie & Clyde 1
Got arrested, did well in prison and the warden got him a pardon. Retired after selling security systems.
DarwinsWeasel
The Campbell's and McDonald's set the standard: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe
MooseWood
The original feud! My grandmother's side is Campbell and grandfathers is Macdonald
Imustupvotealltacos
So famous there were cartoons
FisheswithDynamite
If I'm not mistaken there was a pretty stellar miniseries done by the History Channel some years ago.
Lovemorhatem
They also do Ancient Aliens.
I think Hatfield and McCoy's was done before they really locked into Ancient Aliens crazy stuff.
Saric92
They also did a remake of "Roots" which was quite good too. They're reaaaally hit or miss sometimes
UnagiFerrin
MLP even did an EP with this feud lol
joeyecho101
I went to elementary school with a Hatfield. Her family were like hillbilly mafia.
cashea
"Hillbilly Mafia"... Now that would make an interesting GTA spin-off..
Gayforbae
You mean, mafia 3?
Lampmonster
About half the plot to Ozark.
Beefkins
Justified had the Dixie Mafia.
theredacted
You mean.. basically Trevors story? Yeah it would..
siler7
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QuotesGoHere
It's where the saying "A real McCoy" came from. When a McCoy was shot and they were surprised they had shot an actual McCoy family member.
SirBobby98121
Possibly. Lots of ' real McCoy' origins out there.
FloppyFlanksteak
jansenart
@OP you can relive it kinda in RDR2.
AnonOmis1000
Didn't is start with one diserting from the confederate army?
whitebbwolf
also a mental illness running in one of the families
CaptainThePirate
Tradition
Namorath9
Blood calls out for blood
MachineInterface
No rule of law. In the absence of any commonly agreed upon authority or arbitration, every minor conflict escalates into violence; and in>
the absence of any security force, being threatening and agressive is a preventive way to make clear people shouldn't try to rob you; and>
because you can't really be alone in this setting, people live in very strong family and clan structures where unquestioned obedience to a>
violent and authoritarian group hierarchy is the price for relative safety against rival families/clans.
RufusPimperton
Now when we apply this case to inner city gangs and mafia groups we see some interesting parallels.
Makes more sense if you think of it like a gang/mob war. Weak law presence and illegal activity yields no arbitration for wronged parties.
jetflight
Economics, moonshining, and a blood feud.
"economics" in terms of "we kind of lost our slaves"
That was part of it, but there was a whole lot more to it.
Considering that was the absolute foundation of their economy, I'd say that was the basis of their poverty.
B2SteakSauce
BLOOD FEEEEUUUUUDDDDD!
blainetog
6313326
My husband (a Hatfield on his Mom's side) says it's apparently mostly b/c the press kept fanning the flames so that the two families would¹
² sell off their rather substantial land holdings to logging interests. Yes, the murders & retaliation, but that's why it dragged on.
doggetofftheqcekmty
A dead guy, and something about a pig.
So SAW?
HandoB4Javert
Black Mirror?
thornlord
As a Canadian, I knew about the Hatfield & McCoy feud. I did not know about the Tulsa massacre.
bannedagain80
DeathLemons
Didn't lean about the tulsa massacre until I saw Watchman on HBO.
iamgrilledcheese
as an American I too knew about the Hatfield asked McCoy conflict and not the Tulsa massacre
Askerith
I actually learned about that event, didn't know about the Philly bombing though.
DarthSpandex
I went to junior high in Tulsa and I did not know about the Tulsa massacre. I took Oklahoma history too.
VodkaReindeer
Wait till you hear about Wilmington https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQomlXMeek
xyxyxyxy31
TexMexHex
One was white people shooting/stabbing white people. Tulsa involved African Americans, so. Fuck it, right?
romanilorenzo42
When you commit a massacre you don't go around telling everyone about it... whereas a family feud is the stuff of fiction
MOMOnica97
Interestingly I had learned about Tulsa in school (albeit it was a brief) but I have never heard of Hatfield and McCoy
eternalshinychrome
I knew of the Tulsa massacre and was surprised so few people had known about it until recently.
brassknucklenerd
I learned about Tulsa in recent years, and thought it was a one-off, iconic event. Then I learned about all the others... ffffuuuuuckkk me.
natgrett
As an American I knew about the Hatfield & McCoy fued. I only learned about the Tulsa Race Riots ina one off lesson during my last school yr
Davincimode
Not a "Race Riot", it was a systematic massacre of Black residents that destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa.
It was supported by the city officials to the point of deputizing and distributing weapons. Insurance companies called it "Tulsa Race Riot"
Well I guess that could be another indictment of the US public school system that we were never told about the specifics of a non lesson.
did you know about the 3200 Indian residential school unmarked graves in Canada
tevyethemad
Did you hear about the Battle of Blair Mountain? Not too far from Hatfield and McCoy feud
CoarseAndSalty
How embarrassing would it be if you were one of 20 million Americans who didn't know about the Tulsa Massacre?
crazyspelling
I think you forgot a zero in your number.
It's the Tulsa Massacre, not the Illuminati.
InfinityAero
Tulsa massacre was basically hidden away for 100 years. Nobody learned about it in school until recently.
DirtyFiveThirty
no joke, i learned about it doing a report on the american red cross. i asked my history teacher about it, he was from OKC, he never knew
litelbrown
To be fair, I learned about the Hatfields and the McCoys from movies and tv.
klynda
It was just not widely- Norman, OK APUSH in ‘97 had a whole section on it, essay included.
Yeah OK started their commission to study it in '97 as well. I was never taught about it in high school tho - graduated 2000.
TheMouseOfMadness
as a US citizen, I was also shocked to learn about the Tulsa Massacre, it was suspiciously absent from all my history classes
StuckHereWithYouAndThoseClowns
It wouldn’t have been taught tho…
mrose50
It shoulda been tho...
Thrawn1985
Um think you meant intentionally absent.
onlyhalfghost
yes, that would be why its absence is suspicious
razark
No, not really suspicious at all. Just intentional.
Shaodyn
The feud started with an argument about the ownership of two hogs and escalated over Hatfield's interest in McCoy's daughter.
Devils41
According to my grandma on my mom's side, my family were neighbors to both during this feud lol.
SigilLovesSpace
So why are you bringing up my family history? Did one of them do something stupid?
OpenFacedClubSandwich
As a non- American, I know about Hatfields and McCoys from Tex Avery cartoons.
WokeGhettoSpiritualist
Im surprised the communities they were in tolerated them as well as they did. Both families should've ended up strung from twin trees.
SirMarcsalot
I have McCoy family living next door to us. We're more of a Hatfield type around here.
twitch760
There's a pretty good mini-series about it on History actually.
zeacorzeppelin10
They still fucking hate each other. It's like Romeo and Juliette but way dumber and with way less teeth.
twisster76
Now do one on the Lawson-Hill feud.
Sporkeldee
The hatfield family operated a diner/general store down the road from my childhood home.
nosaucesbutapplesauces
I am a pool shootin' boy, My name Willie McCoy, But down home they call me slim
AwesomeBorderCollies
My mother’s family are Hatfields from WVa. Family get togethers we’re always embarrassing. They were all friggin nuts.
saganation
My godfather is a Hatfield actually
ArneLoff
I think a Lucky Luke story was based on this feud.
RandyFool
I'm related to the McCoys, and found out that my family long ago donated the land that became the Breaks national park.
Arriella8888
My great uncle was a Hatfield (I think) at birth and adopted by my great grandparents as a baby. He was a getaway drive for Bonnie & Clyde 1
Arriella8888
Got arrested, did well in prison and the warden got him a pardon. Retired after selling security systems.
DarwinsWeasel
The Campbell's and McDonald's set the standard: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe
MooseWood
The original feud! My grandmother's side is Campbell and grandfathers is Macdonald
Imustupvotealltacos
So famous there were cartoons
FisheswithDynamite
If I'm not mistaken there was a pretty stellar miniseries done by the History Channel some years ago.
Lovemorhatem
They also do Ancient Aliens.
FisheswithDynamite
I think Hatfield and McCoy's was done before they really locked into Ancient Aliens crazy stuff.
Saric92
They also did a remake of "Roots" which was quite good too. They're reaaaally hit or miss sometimes
UnagiFerrin
MLP even did an EP with this feud lol
joeyecho101
I went to elementary school with a Hatfield. Her family were like hillbilly mafia.
cashea
"Hillbilly Mafia"... Now that would make an interesting GTA spin-off..
Gayforbae
You mean, mafia 3?
Lampmonster
About half the plot to Ozark.
Beefkins
Justified had the Dixie Mafia.
theredacted
You mean.. basically Trevors story? Yeah it would..
siler7
'
QuotesGoHere
It's where the saying "A real McCoy" came from. When a McCoy was shot and they were surprised they had shot an actual McCoy family member.
SirBobby98121
Possibly. Lots of ' real McCoy' origins out there.
FloppyFlanksteak
jansenart
@OP you can relive it kinda in RDR2.
AnonOmis1000
Didn't is start with one diserting from the confederate army?
whitebbwolf
also a mental illness running in one of the families
CaptainThePirate
Tradition
Namorath9
Blood calls out for blood
MachineInterface
No rule of law. In the absence of any commonly agreed upon authority or arbitration, every minor conflict escalates into violence; and in>
MachineInterface
the absence of any security force, being threatening and agressive is a preventive way to make clear people shouldn't try to rob you; and>
MachineInterface
because you can't really be alone in this setting, people live in very strong family and clan structures where unquestioned obedience to a>
MachineInterface
violent and authoritarian group hierarchy is the price for relative safety against rival families/clans.
RufusPimperton
Now when we apply this case to inner city gangs and mafia groups we see some interesting parallels.
RufusPimperton
Makes more sense if you think of it like a gang/mob war. Weak law presence and illegal activity yields no arbitration for wronged parties.
jetflight
Economics, moonshining, and a blood feud.
jansenart
"economics" in terms of "we kind of lost our slaves"
jetflight
That was part of it, but there was a whole lot more to it.
jansenart
Considering that was the absolute foundation of their economy, I'd say that was the basis of their poverty.
B2SteakSauce
BLOOD FEEEEUUUUUDDDDD!
blainetog
6313326
My husband (a Hatfield on his Mom's side) says it's apparently mostly b/c the press kept fanning the flames so that the two families would¹
6313326
² sell off their rather substantial land holdings to logging interests. Yes, the murders & retaliation, but that's why it dragged on.
doggetofftheqcekmty
A dead guy, and something about a pig.
FloppyFlanksteak
So SAW?
HandoB4Javert
Black Mirror?
thornlord
As a Canadian, I knew about the Hatfield & McCoy feud. I did not know about the Tulsa massacre.
bannedagain80
DeathLemons
Didn't lean about the tulsa massacre until I saw Watchman on HBO.
iamgrilledcheese
as an American I too knew about the Hatfield asked McCoy conflict and not the Tulsa massacre
Askerith
I actually learned about that event, didn't know about the Philly bombing though.
DarthSpandex
I went to junior high in Tulsa and I did not know about the Tulsa massacre. I took Oklahoma history too.
VodkaReindeer
Wait till you hear about Wilmington https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQomlXMeek
xyxyxyxy31
TexMexHex
One was white people shooting/stabbing white people. Tulsa involved African Americans, so. Fuck it, right?
romanilorenzo42
When you commit a massacre you don't go around telling everyone about it... whereas a family feud is the stuff of fiction
MOMOnica97
Interestingly I had learned about Tulsa in school (albeit it was a brief) but I have never heard of Hatfield and McCoy
eternalshinychrome
I knew of the Tulsa massacre and was surprised so few people had known about it until recently.
brassknucklenerd
I learned about Tulsa in recent years, and thought it was a one-off, iconic event. Then I learned about all the others... ffffuuuuuckkk me.
natgrett
As an American I knew about the Hatfield & McCoy fued. I only learned about the Tulsa Race Riots ina one off lesson during my last school yr
Davincimode
Not a "Race Riot", it was a systematic massacre of Black residents that destroyed homes and businesses of the Greenwood District in Tulsa.
Davincimode
It was supported by the city officials to the point of deputizing and distributing weapons. Insurance companies called it "Tulsa Race Riot"
natgrett
Well I guess that could be another indictment of the US public school system that we were never told about the specifics of a non lesson.
bannedagain80
did you know about the 3200 Indian residential school unmarked graves in Canada
tevyethemad
Did you hear about the Battle of Blair Mountain? Not too far from Hatfield and McCoy feud
CoarseAndSalty
How embarrassing would it be if you were one of 20 million Americans who didn't know about the Tulsa Massacre?
crazyspelling
I think you forgot a zero in your number.
CoarseAndSalty
It's the Tulsa Massacre, not the Illuminati.
InfinityAero
Tulsa massacre was basically hidden away for 100 years. Nobody learned about it in school until recently.
DirtyFiveThirty
no joke, i learned about it doing a report on the american red cross. i asked my history teacher about it, he was from OKC, he never knew
litelbrown
To be fair, I learned about the Hatfields and the McCoys from movies and tv.
klynda
It was just not widely- Norman, OK APUSH in ‘97 had a whole section on it, essay included.
InfinityAero
Yeah OK started their commission to study it in '97 as well. I was never taught about it in high school tho - graduated 2000.
TheMouseOfMadness
as a US citizen, I was also shocked to learn about the Tulsa Massacre, it was suspiciously absent from all my history classes
StuckHereWithYouAndThoseClowns
It wouldn’t have been taught tho…
mrose50
It shoulda been tho...
Thrawn1985
Um think you meant intentionally absent.
onlyhalfghost
yes, that would be why its absence is suspicious
razark
No, not really suspicious at all. Just intentional.