Yeonmi Park - North Korean Defector

Apr 11, 2014 2:11 AM

zerdox

Views

350410

Likes

12017

Dislikes

105

Saw a pretty interesting article on a North Korean Defector
(Added pictures so it wouldn't be that tedious to read)

"I lived in North Korea for the first 15 years of my life, believing Kim Jong-il was a god. I never doubted it because I didn't know anything else. I could not even imagine life outside of the regime."

It was like living in hell. There were constant power outages, so everything was dark. There was no transportation – everyone had to walk everywhere. It was very dirty and no one could eat anything.

It was not the right conditions for human life, but you couldn't think about it, let alone complain about it. Even though you were suffering, you had to worship the regime every day.

"I had to be careful of my thoughts because I believed Kim Jong-il could read my mind. Every couple of days someone would disappear. A classmate's mother was punished in a public execution that I was made to attend. I had no choice – there were spies in the neighborhood.

My father worked for the government, so for a while things were relatively OK for me compared with some others in North Korea. But my father was accused of doing something wrong and jailed for three years. He being guilty made me guilty too, so whatever future I had in North Korea completely disappeared. I could no longer go to university, and my family was forced to move out of Pyongyang to the countryside on the border close to China."

"After a few years, my father became very sick with cancer and he came out of jail for treatment. During this time, we decided to leave North Korea.

We had to cross a frozen river in the middle of winter to sneak across the border into China. I was very scared – not of being caught but of being shot. If they see someone escaping, they don't ask, they just shoot them.

North Korean refugees are not recognised in China, so we had to be careful there. My parents brought a small amount of money with them, and my mother got a job washing dishes. I did not know any Chinese and couldn't say anything in Korean in case I was deported, so I had to pretend I could not speak.

I hid in the apartment most of the time. If I saw a policeman, I would run. I could not take a train because they would do certification checks. It was really miserable.

My father died of cancer in that first year and soon we had used all of our money. Around this time we met some South Korean missionaries. They said we could finally be free if we could make it to South Korea."

"We didn't want to live in China without my father, but we didn't have any money to pay for disguises to get us into South Korea, so we bought a compass and we walked across the border between China and Mongolia through the desert in winter. Once in Mongolia, we were protected and some soldiers contacted South Korea where we were accepted as refugees.

This whole time, I was still so brainwashed that I thought Kim Jong-il could read my mind from afar. Even though I had escaped, I wouldn't let myself think anything negative about the regime.

When we arrived in South Korea they took us to an Education Centre for several months. I learned that Kim Jong-il was a dictator, but I was still confused when I left – it wasn't enough time to fully change my mind.

After I came out of the centre, I met new people, started to study using the internet, and read lots of books. I found out about socialism, communism and capitalism. I learned new things and finally saw the truth.

I realised that everything I thought was a lie. I had not been a real person – I was created for the regime to work for them. If they ordered us to die, I would've died for them. I wasn't a human – I was something else. I certainly wasn't treated like one. I knew nothing of freedom. It took about three years to fully get over the brainwashing."

Full Video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN6-BtNKKvU

Update : This is NOT me. Been getting messages ...

Actually the whole world has done as much as it can with China blocking every attempt at sanctions/intervention.

11 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 0

Some of my female students in South Korea would joke that they feared the day when North and South Korea would reunite because the women (1)

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

(2) from North Korea are famous beauties and the men from South Korea are the most handsome, so there wouldn't be anyone left to marry!

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

interesting fact. there are no visible cars in Pyongyang on Google maps

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Yes there are

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Very few

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's posts like this that make me feel like my username may have been in bad tastes.

12 years ago | Likes 431 Dislikes 10

Yeah best Korea at being shitty!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Not gonna lie. I lol'd. We're going to hell. But at least we'll be going together.

12 years ago | Likes 75 Dislikes 1

dont stress, we'll just carpool 'cos theres gonna be a few of us

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ditto.

12 years ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 0

i know that feel

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Full video: 56 seconds.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You my friend have lived a life most interesting. With a powerful story to tell. Would love to hear more.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

This isn't his story, this is Yeonmi Park. The link at the bottom of the text, click it.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

When his dad finally passed, I thought things might have a chance to get better over there... What the hell

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Didn't really get better or worse. Regimes like the one in NK would crumble from even the slightest change in direction.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I found the Actual full video (Instead of the expert in the description) 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 0

greatly appreciated! definitley worth the watch

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Thank you! I was wondering about that. It doesn't seem like many people actually tried clicking on the link...

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

OP, I read Nothing to Envy by Barbara Demick which talks about several people who left North Korea. It was haunting and I think about it

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

almost every day. So glad that you made it out. Best of luck to you in the future and to any family you have out there.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All things aside, she is pretty attractive

12 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 8

I mean sure, but there's also way more to her than just looks. She probably has the most resilient personality now, my goodness.

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

god I wish that place had oil so it could get freed

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Big Brother is watching

12 years ago | Likes 136 Dislikes 7

You deserve more points

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In North Korea Bog Brother is watching you!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

dat sash...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I tend to say NK is equal if not worse than what Orwell predicted. Anyway it's interesting that there seems to be a recipe for such a state.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted May 4, 2014 5:34 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Yes of course, I meant the recipe to get a state like that to work, not the scale.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

chocolate rations have been increased i hear

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

25 grams! doubleplusgood!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

+1 for george orwell

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

North Korea takes repression to a whole new level, I don't even call them a dictatorship... it's a Prison State.

12 years ago | Likes 742 Dislikes 11

it's not even that, prisoners have rights.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

You know if you travel to China to escape someplace worse, it must be pretty horrible

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

All in favor of renaming North Korea 'Superjail'

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Mortality rate between NK and Superjail is probably about the same. :(

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It follows Stalin's model. The dude killed 23 million people in 1937-38.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He killed many, but not quite that much. In total he had a kill count of about 20 million.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

20 million people died from his famine in 1933 in Russia alone. I'm including all the people he killed not just the ones given a trial.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

~20 Million Soviets died during stalins regime. INCLUDING from the famine. Your figures are skewed.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

1/2 Even if it was just ~20 million Soviets, that still leaves millions of foreign nationals. 10 million died in Ukraine in 1932-33.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2/2 regardless, my point is that Stalin killed a shit ton of people and Kim Jong Il learned it from him.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

lol, talking about dictatorship and prison state, how about in good ol' murica can someone be thrown into a jail without a court if they...

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 24

It not untrue. American government is the worst kind of villain--the one that smiles to your face and plunges a knife to your back.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 7

in north korea if you are seen as a "threat" you are publicly executed. Big difference.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Nobody mentioned America

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

..are seen as a "threat". Murica is quite close to that, yet they do it in a more civilised way(away from people's eyes) false sence of free

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 18

Completely different ends of the scale though!

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Sad how nobody does jack about it.

12 years ago | Likes 32 Dislikes 2

A nuclear war sure would be worth it :P

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

I think China believes the person that takes North Korea will have some advantage so they let North Korea be as weak as possible.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

If that is the case, then why wouldn't China just take over North Korea?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Actually the whole world has done as much as it can with China blocking every attempt at sanctions/intervention.

12 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 1

Then let's kill china. Start a war, let millions of innocent people and a save a state in which the people aren't treated like humans..fuck

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

"let's kill China." How is starting World War 3 better for the world?

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

'Twas a joke, this is much more complicated then starting a war.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

1. I've always wondered if NK citizens were actually brainwashed, or just had to act like they were happy with how things are. Really

12 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

2. interesting to find out it's a bit of both, and to hear it from an ex-citizen herself.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Very sad that even now adays we still live with this. I dont know why no one pays attention to this.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Because this has been going on for over 60 years and there's nothing anyone can do as long as China is protecting the current regime.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lots of people pay attention to this. It's brought up all the time. There isn't much we can do about it, they have to do it themselves.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Who's they?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The proles. Only hope is in the proles

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

non-connected north koreans?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

This is pretty average story from DPRK refugees. Even in South Korea some of these escapee's have to stay hidden because of DPRK spies

12 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

These DKRP spies would find the family still in North Korea and they would be sent to worth/death camps.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I'm not one for war, but I really can't wait until someone goes in there and gets rid of that regime.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

The USA is currently at war with North Korea. China has blocked all military intervention and UN sanctions for over 60 years now

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I think I read some where that South Korea is technically still at war with North Korea too.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yes, The USA and South Korea are allies on the ongoing Korean War which is currently in an armistice.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

there's a really cool documentary on netflix about north korea, nat geo sent cameras under cover there along with a dr. doing (1)

12 years ago | Likes 81 Dislikes 2

Here's one from BBC, presenter went to NK school where they're taught a bit about the West: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOh9eZlOUw

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

it's called "inside north korea"! sorry for the delay on that :) it's available on netflix.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I saw that documentary.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

laser surgery treatments. the documentary does a really good job of showing how crazy strict the government it. definitely worth the watch!

12 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 0

le ugh. *is. -____-

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 7

Do you know the name of it?

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

that ending is really creepy, no regards to the surgeon, but the fact that there 'great leader' brought their sight back.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

what is it called?

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

seriously though i think its called inside North Korea

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

red dawn

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

HBO did one too with the Globetrotters going over there. The "show" Korea put on to make it seem normal was so over the top and creepy.

12 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

What's this one called?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

VICE episode 10

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

That scene with the computer lab was the creepiest shit ever. Nobody typing, totally automated screen activity.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Whats the title?

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

VICE episode 10

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I'm not trying to be funny or whatever but her story honestly reminds me of something out of the Hunger Games books. I'm happy she's free-er

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Me too! The terrible living conditions, power outages, and people disappearing. Sounds just like Hunger Games!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I'm not sure if you read the last book or even the second one but there's a lot in there too that is reminiscent but I won't spoiler it

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I've read the 2nd book but I didn't make it through the 3rd. But yes, I completely agree.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The 3rd was my least favorite, 2nd was favorite. If you can, you should finish it before the movies come out :D

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2nd was definitely my favorite. But the 3rd was just going so slowly and I'm a terrible reader as it is!

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I had the exact same thought...

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

read as "north korean defecator"

12 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 5

same here, was actually disappointed when i read the story

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Well. I think we can all agree that Kim Jong-il is crazy as fuck. Agreed?

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

well... was.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I swear, the more I read this, the bigger my frown got..+1

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 2

Lucky that you AND your family made it out. Most defectors come out by themselves

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

Sometimes the kids will even rat out the parents' plans, cause that's what they are told to do by their dear leader >.>

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"I had not been a real person - I was created for the regime to work for them." Powerful stuff. OP I'm so sorry for what you had to endure.

12 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 8

OP didn't endure it, but ya

12 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Very impressive story, kinda sad as well. +1 OP, thanks for sharing.

12 years ago | Likes 492 Dislikes 12

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted Apr 12, 2014 5:11 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I don't think OP is the one in the video, I think he just shared the story. Should ask OP him/herself to confirm this ofc.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

"Kinda" sad?

12 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

Yeah, it is sad about what happened, but I am quite happy that everything seem to go well in the end.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I think you maybe need to stop looking to Disney for your definition of a "happy end".

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

What are you talking about? I am just speaking my mind atm.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that "speaking your mind" means you can't be wrong.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

OP did a good job with the caption, which was much more descriptive than that video, so props to OP for this insight

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I don't understand. Is OP the person in the video or is he/she just telling a story based on the person in the video?

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Sorry but I don't think kinda covers it

12 years ago | Likes 63 Dislikes 0

agreed.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think it is "kinda" sad, because everything went well in the end, which is great. And it made me happy, everything before it was sad.

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

I'd find it hard to be Kim Jong Unimpressed

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Business Insider's interesting article about these stories: http://www.businessinsider.com/did-kim-jong-un-execute-his-ex-girlfriend-2013-8

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted Apr 12, 2017 3:15 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Cheers, I will take a look into it. :)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How sad is it that CHINA is a better alternative?

12 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 9

China in many ways is more America than 'murica, from my last trip there and the people I know there. Try not to be a closed minded..farmer

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 5

I've farmed Stevens my whole life, no call for it in China.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

hehe

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Do you grow the Phteven cultivar?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nope, organic Stevens and little petite Steves.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This is pretty false. I've been living here for 6 months so far as an expat, and from talking with my co-workers, it's bad here here.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

no that is false. Define bad? I was living in Shanghai and people did whatever they wanted and even talked about whatever they wanted...

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

How long were you here? Do you know anything about the political situation in China at all? It's too much to say in 120 chars.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

as long as it wasn't some kind of open demonstration. The government is tight and it's not US way of running the country but I didn't feel

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

out of place or mistreated. There were 7 Elevens and all kinds of entertainment, I watched the local TV stations and brainwashing wasn't as

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted May 2, 2014 11:04 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

I'm actually Asian American but I've never been to China till that trip. You'll have a lot of fun, they love Americans. I have a lot of (2)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Because people act differently, a lot of people almost hero worship westerners, but also a lot of people view them as dumb foreigners

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

(2) white friends and co-workers who love to visit there. This is not in the 50s or even 80s anymore.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

China's good at hiding its shit.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

yes I agree, it is. Is it even close to N.Korea's living condition or situation? Please...

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

if you think the US of A is fully transparent, then I'm afraid to break the bad news. Yes I would prefer to live here no doubt.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

If you've been to Singapore or Malaysia, China is just a bigger version. Governments hide their shit well, look at our beloved 'Murica

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

but China is not even close to how bad people think it is

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Why does the world tolerate this horroshow regime?

12 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 1

Because we're too cowardly to accept the risks like we used to. I fail to see how this situation is different than WW2 honestly.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 6

They're not invading us or any allies as of right now. That's the difference. We didn't fight WWII to save Jews, we fought it to stop Hitler

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

(1) The cost in lives, time, and money for others to take them out of power is too high. Likely, millions of civilians would die.

12 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 1

They don't have oil.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 8

People say that it's because China has their back. People have the power to change this, yet turn a blind eye or couldn't be bothered with.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Late to the comment party, but everyone in Seoul is taught that the entire city would be wiped out within 10 seconds if there was ever a war

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Sorry, not just Seoul but SK. They're just much more aware of it in Seoul.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

nuke power

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

China.

12 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

North Korea isn't trying to take over the world, so we leave them be. We don't want to get messy if we don't ABSOLUTELY have to

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 5

Because the world is a conglomerate of countries whose best interests lie not in the well being of other countries but in their own matters.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

(2) Then, after, they would then need to occupy and rebuild North Korea -- I think we learned the difficulty of that with Iraq/Afghanistan.

12 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

I thought it was because China had their back?

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

That's another factor, but China isn't as adamant about any of the African countries that do poorly either. War and occupations are hell.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

But we did it for Germany and multiple other countries in Europe during WW2...? How is this situation really different? Explain.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

(Edit) I meant to say Japan was developed, not well educated. I'm unsure of education quality for WW2 Japan.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

wouldn't even be able to take over South Korea. Remember, countries were VERY hesitant to wage war on Germany even after they started 2

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The well being of their citizens at all and may even use them as hostages if any others means fail, which would be a Situation 5/?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That would be extremely difficult to handle ethically

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It to a new level of inhumanity right now. The only reason NK is not dealt with is, that the rulers of this country show no interest in 4/?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

(1/?) Germany was a highly educated, culturally western, developed nation, that was deeply terrified of prospective Soviet rule.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Don't geht me wrong he was a horribly misguided and possibly insane powerhungry man and i don't simpathize in any way, but NK just takes 3/?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

taking over countries. Only when those countries felt imminently threatened did they wage war. Noone is really threatened by NK 3

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(2/?) Japan, similarly, was well educated, and completely defeated in a way that ensured some measure of... respect?... from their culture.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

About nazi germany ( in german highschool) think you cannot even compare the cruelties the kims have done to the ones of Hitler 2/?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(5/5) the lies their whole life would be intense. They are trained to see us as their greatest enemy, to see us as monsters. It'd be hell.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(4/) Just look at this image -- the woman believed a dictator could read her mind. The partisan warfare from people who believed --

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Honestly...(i know not exactly the subject) I, bring well informed about northkorea and having been taught what feels every single detail1/?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

(3/?) NK, on the other hand is not developed; it is not well educated. For 60 years the people have been brain-washed to *worship* the Kims.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Because no one outside of the NK populace stands to gain anything from toppling it.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 5

I realize you want to be cynical, but it's really not that simple. NK's allies and NK WMDs are factors on top of human imperfection

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 2

Dunno why you got downvoted for that, seems true enough to me.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Do they really have allies though? And methods to deploy WMDs?

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

North Korea has no allies. Other than, you know, China. I'm sure the US would love to mess with them.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I am a bit cynical, mainly because of the fact nothing outside of politcal rhetoric has been done. Meanwhile dipshits like Rodman (1)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

go in and out of there partying with his douchebaginess the Fatfaced Leader and calling him an OK guy. (2/end)

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The person who downvoted this:

12 years ago | Likes 1361 Dislikes 26

The other person who downvoted this: http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0630/grant_g_rodman_sy_576.jpg

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The people that upvote this:

12 years ago | Likes 46 Dislikes 0

"What? This isn't a picture of cake!" - Kim Jong Un

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Kim Jong Un is so morally reprehensible that he has multiple accounts!

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

The 42 downvotes are from the entirety of the Naughty Korean internet population.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

And 44 others.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Perfect

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Cake?

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

What a fat, disgusting fuck. I bet he has a small penis.

12 years ago | Likes 50 Dislikes 7

Of course he does. He's Asian...

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

He still wouldn't have seen a lot of Asian penis.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I hope he dies soon from a heart disease.

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Incorrect! Kim Jong Un has the largest penis in the world, as recorded in Kim Jong Un's Definitely True Book of Facts by Kim Jong Un.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He did it with his mind

12 years ago | Likes 203 Dislikes 0

Mind Quad!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 4

I miss that show even though it never started

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

*applaudes loudly*

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Thank you

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

lost it at this comment omg

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I fantasize the US or other power rushing into North Korea, kicking their asses, and rescuing those people. But it's not that easy. :(

12 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 2

You mean do exactly what we did in Iraq? That illegal war you guys are always talking about?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

We took down Hitler's Germany, it's still possible, it'd just be extremely messy

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

There's really no saving the people. They're fully brainwashed and it would take a lot of effort to bring them out of it, if even possible.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I imagine some won't see it as rescue

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You mean do exactly what we did in Iraq? That illegal war you guys are always talking about?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 3

The fact that we even allow North Korea to exist is a crime against humanity. We need to wipe out their entire chain of command.

12 years ago | Likes 295 Dislikes 33

Very primitive, good luck with the millions of supporters ;)

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

No country wants to take it on their budget to bring that country outta its mess, welcome to reality.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

There are so many well hidden chemical tipped artillery emplacents aimed at South Korea, it would be impossible to get them all in time :(

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, like that's going to happen. The government has its entire population on call to fight if it wants. Scared, brainwashed soldiers.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, they are on call, but malnourished, untrained citizens won't fight very well.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

We're doing *are* doing something, and it's better than invasion. We're (China, a few others) trading with them.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

War doesn't do anything good for anyone in this situation. NK will cave in on itself if/when it loses Chinese support.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

So we are supposed to just let them continue to do the horrible things they do while we wait for something that might happen too late?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

As doing something would cause worse consequences than doing nothing, yes, absolutely.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Until that happens the status quo is the best possible scenario. "Liberation" is not worth the death toll that it would carry.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

No one eants to fuck with NK, there'd way too many losses, diplomacy appears out, so it's stalemate.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 3

Maybe an attempt to sabotage the artillery and assassinate Kim? If a family can sneak out, maybe a small CIA team could sneak in.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The west on brings down dictatorships that are oil rich.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 3

People like to say about WWII "If we knew about what was really going on, we would've interveen sooner". North Korea proves that's a lie.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Exactly.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And not to mention the Allies were aware of what was really going on.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Their is a lot in this world that needs to be fixed sadly its always protected in some way

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

because wiping out people (chain of command or otherwise) has always proven to stop conlflicts and save lives?

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Worked pretty well when Hitler was cornered, didn't it?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

And the day kim jong tries to invade another country he will get destroyed. But countless other innocent lives will be lost aswell.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Any sentence starting with the words "We need to wipe out..." needs careful consideration before uttering. Clearly you didn't consider.

12 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 2

There are a lot of other factors to consider. Not to mention that we are not the world police and we can't continue acting like we are.

12 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 1

Plot twist: OP is from France

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Assuming that "we" is the USA (not 'we' from where I'm sitting), I'd recommend looking at what happened last time the USA invaded Korea.

12 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

Exactly.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

who is "we", here? This is an international community and all of us together DO have a duty to police the world against extremism.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

The only reason why we act like the world police is because the rest of the world fails to act in dire circumstances time and time again.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 6

Yes, but we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Which is why America lined up to fight Nazi Germany right away. :p Don't kid yourself, by and large countries act out of self-interest.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Firstly WW2 is an entirely different conversation. Secondly the US has acted selflessly time and time again.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

but the point is in WWII they didn't enter the war until more than 2 years after the war started and only once they'd been attacked at home.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

about fake german atrocities just to get our help. So pardon the skepticism when it happened again. Britain cried wolf, don't pin it on us.2

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Oh, yeah. We -totally- weren't put off WWII because the last time we helped, it was because of the British lying through their teeth (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

that's very short-sighted.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I think they don't do anything because they don't see a threat in north korea. I also don't think anyone wants to risk peace to free the NKs

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Then we reunite the Koreas.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Hitler thought very much the same way about wiping out something he didn't personally agree with.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 5

Yes, and he did it in camps like in NK. Don't act like this is just some small disagreement. These are crimes against humanity.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

This just in, Hitlers eradication of the jews was just some small disagreement.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 5

Good god, does anyone remember 2003? Are we ever going to stop deluding ourselves into thinking we can fix a country by invading it?

12 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 6

Saddam Hussein was a nice guy compared to Kim Jong-Un

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

As soon as Americans start using "we" when talking about the US forces all reason is lost, I'm afraid.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 7

"we" as in the American public. The voters, the media, & the politicians. They determine whether the US forces do something like that.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

yeah you're right. bring back Saddam!

12 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 7

Do you actually think we improved things? Honest question. Do you think Saddam or bloody civil war & failed state is better?

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Things over there are improved though

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

A country without a genocidal psychopath as its leader is better. The only crime is that we didn't do it sooner.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 4

so WW2, the Korean war, US intervention in bosnia, and the Gulf war never happened? cause those turned out pretty well.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 4

WWII is the only one where we put troops on the ground and dismantled a state. And Korean War? Did you even notice what the post is about?

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

So? You claimed that invading a country doesn't solve anything and I clearly disproved that. Also troops were on the ground in bosnia. cont

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

Not to mention the fact that the Korean war ensured a free South Korea. Desert storm also freed Kuwait.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 3

In 2003 I was all like you, scared of being Neville Chamberlain. Then I saw what happened. Now I'm seeing people make the same mistake.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I also saw what happened during the second gulf war. I disagree with how bush carried it out however ultimately i consider it a just war.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

A "just war" does more good than harm. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan show how hard that is to actually do.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'm starting to be convinced it's the same cycle that led us to Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and (debatably) Afghanistan.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Except every situation is different. There is no strategy that will always succeed or always fail.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Are you talking about the continual push towards war that republican warhawks are always on?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I can't see the difference between Hitler and Kim Jung Un. Why are we more scared of NK? We care less because the pain is isolated? 1/2

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

The world has lost millions of dollars and lives in war before, what, we don't fight for humanity in the 21st century?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 2

We will look back on them 30 years from now and think, "How did we know that these terrible things were going on and chose to do nothing?"

12 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 6

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Hindsight is 20/20.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Because we "chose to do something" in Iraq.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

And we all know how that turned out.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We don't need to look back. It's right in front of us, and we're not taking action because it would start world war III.

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

It wouldn't start world war 3. It would however start a massive conventional war that would cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

You do know China is their ally right? And Russia and China are Allies? So if we did that, we would be declaring way on China and Russia

12 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 27

Russia and China allies? aahahah are you serious? sad thing is that 9 people upvoted this comment

12 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 3

Even China's been telling North Korea they need to cool it and shape up.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Actually even China no longer give a damn about Korea. They have a lot of US Dollars in their coffer, why should they fight USA anyway?

12 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Yeah, China's economy is far too dependent on the west for them to believe North Korea is worth it. China thinks for China.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

A Russian here. Russia nad china are far from allies. Not enemies, yes. But not allies either.

12 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 1

*and

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted May 2, 2014 11:02 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Yeah, that was true for some time, but right now it seems China doesn't want Russia's lands that much.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted May 2, 2014 11:05 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Fuck it. They either take down the monster they created or we have mutual destruction.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 15

You and I both know it will not happen like that. China and Russia would destroy us like a little mosquito

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 4

Err bro, remember USA would not be alone. We British (as well as most of Europe and Nato) would be involved as well!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

...You know Russia and China are -not- buddies, right? You also know that China and America are huge business buddies... right?

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

In simplistic worldviews, all of one nation's rivals are friends. America is rivals with China and Russia. Thus C+R must be best buds. :p

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Nukes vs nukes. We'd destroy each other.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

It all matters on who is able to get their nukes off first. And we also wouldn't start off with nukes. They are a last resort.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

If we did anything millions of South Koreans would die in the ensuing conflict. Seoul is well within range of hundreds of missiles.

12 years ago | Likes 93 Dislikes 3

The US in SK and SK itself has an extremely advanced and deep defense shield, including from missiles.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Well, currently unassailable artillery, IIRC, but yeah, pretty much. It's basically "We can handle this, but at what cost?"

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Pretty sure South-Korea has the superior military technology, and could wipe out NK artillery pretty damn fast if on the offensive.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

That might be but this sounds like a M.A.D. scenario.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think the main problem is China is fucking protecting NK. And you can't go against big guys like China, Russia etc.

12 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 1

China is more and more distancing itself from NK. They won't profit from them, so why defend them longer and risk relationships with others.

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Well if it helps any my super-into-Mao grandparents really don't like North Korea

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

This. Exactly this...

12 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

I could very easily be incorrect, but my understanding is that even China is close to fed up with NK's shit.

12 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Doesn't matter, they will always "protect" "sovereignty" of other dictatorships...countries, just so other would leave China alone as well.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Unfortunately NK has had over half a century to turn their entire country into a fortress designed specifically against American invasion.

12 years ago | Likes 68 Dislikes 4

Exactly. The entire population is brainwashed to believe Americans and S. Koreans are monsters who murder children for fun. Seriously!

12 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 2

On top of that they have a staggering amount of ordinance pointed not just at their own civilians but South Korea as well. Anything we do

12 years ago | Likes 39 Dislikes 4

And all of this is assuming their allies stay out of it and they don't unleash any nuclear... or worse... biological weapons.

12 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 2

would result in a bloodbath unprecedented in modern history, Seoul would be wiped off the map before we finished landing soldiers.

12 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 3

Lol. Modern history has had plenty of enormous bloodbaths and continues to daily. Why is the one thing we won't touch?

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

[deleted]

[deleted]

12 years ago (deleted May 2, 2014 11:01 PM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

Yay, capitalism >.>.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

as much time as NK has had to prepare so has SK, the NK army pales in comparison SK the only reason that NK exists is for china (1/2)

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 5

We already have 50K soldiers on the DMZ. Seoul would be fine, North Korea by itself is no threat.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Assuming the number is accurate can they shoot artillery right out of the air?

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

1) The number is inaccurate, it was recently reduced to 28k. How much damage would artillery do to a city before being taken out? Second,

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2) North Korea doesn't have any artillery that can shoot over 45km.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

to use it as a puppet state. Any American attack would be swift enough that most casualties would be from the fanatical resistance (2/2)

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 6

As fast as helicopters move, they don't move as fast as a metal shell filled with explosives flung into a ballistic arc.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

batteries that we know about would be the first things destroyed and any that revealed their positions would be toast in minuets

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You know there are missiles designed to shoot down other missiles, right? And North Korea doesn't have any ballistic nuclear weapons.

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

We don't have teleporters. In the time it took us to unload one squad off a helicopter Seoul would be a smoldering crater.

12 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

yea you obviously don't know what 683 billions dollars a year buys you, or have been reading too much NK propaganda

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 8

We have missiles that are designed to shoot down other missiles. Also North Korea doesn't have any projectile nukes.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The fact that Kim Jong Il was educated in Switzerland and still went back to rule the same way that his father did makes him seem more evil.

12 years ago | Likes 3102 Dislikes 25

It's not that he had a "good education" it's that he's a fucking hypocrite.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

he had no choice.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Lol i actually went to the same school in Geneva. We didn't really talk about it there.

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The correct term here is 'Ass clown'.

12 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

Not saying he isn't, but it seems to me he is more a symbolic leader and that its the military who rule.

12 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 2

I blame Swiss!

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He has absolute power and grew up believing in his dynasty and birthright. Even a civilized education won't help ingrained greed.

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Kim Han Sol his niece though... seems like the chillest kid ever. Han Sol is working on a water conservation project now, google it.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I am ashamed as a Swiss citizen that we even let this pricklet into our country. But no one knew who he really was...

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If he did otherwise it's highly likely that the military would overthrow him. In North Korea, even the dictators aren't truly free.

12 years ago | Likes 109 Dislikes 4

All you need is the allegiance of the top military leaders. Then you can stop the madness. North Korea is a waste of a country & regime

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It has adopted an ineffective meaningless existence that will not thrive. It reminds me of the pathology dept where I worked. paranoia.

11 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They still still worship his father as a god so you're right, he has to follow the same regime.

12 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

THIS. His father created the current system where the military is in power and political legitimacy requires a Kim in power. Un is a stooge

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

interesting. i never thought of it this way. thanks for saying it

12 years ago | Likes 30 Dislikes 0

This is forgotten, for all his wealth and privilege it is likely he is as much a prisoner as any other north korean.

12 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 7

I'm not sure why you got downvoted. Granted, he is still evil and a dictator, but he's not evil for the sake of being evil.

12 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 3

nobody is. You know, Stalin and Hitler believed they were doing the right things. The Machiavellian "the end justifies the means" logic.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I don't think he is even doing that, more that he is stuck as figurehead of an institution he can't change.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

Switzerland's probably one of the only countries that wouldn't have found some excuse to do away with him.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

A small part of me defied logic and hoped that perhaps he'd change things... :/

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yeah, this is an instance where I feel like the rest of the world should gang up on them and break this insanity down...We are humans and

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

this shouldn't be allowed.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

He went to high school in Switzerland, but I thought he went to college in the US under an alias.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Many corrupt politicians from various countries go to school abroad (US, UK, etc.) and return with that advantage to better oppress.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Woah, wait, that little shit left NK and NO ONE EVEN TRIED TO KILL HIM? Come on :/

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Apparently he just sat around and drew pics of basketball players all day

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

TIL There's a school for Supervillains in Switzerland.

12 years ago | Likes 49 Dislikes 0

He actually went to an american school too. My Canadian school there only talked about it when we had competitions with them, pretty weird

12 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

So you are saying that there is a school just like Sky High.... but for supervillains? I can't wait to see their mascot

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yes.

12 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The Swiss are just too tolerant to get rid of it.

12 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Holy shit, H.I.V.E. is real?!

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

why wouldn't he? he was taught from the beginning to believe he was divine and everything revolves around him even now

12 years ago | Likes 324 Dislikes 5

if he believed he was divine he wouldn't have had to attend under an assumed name.

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

unless of course he had to be hidden from the masses at that early age because he was so special. the legend fits any scenario.

12 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Because he saw what the rest of the world was like, and purposefully lets his people live in such a horrible fashion.

12 years ago | Likes 186 Dislikes 1

many dictators train abroad. but even when in school, his identity was disguised so he probably felt even more "special"

12 years ago | Likes 104 Dislikes 0

Pretty much this. Imagine thinking you're a divine secret agent before your brain fully matures in your late 20's. I feel bad for him, but 1

12 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

not half as bad as I feel for the N.K. people subjected to his rule.

12 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Pretty sure he knows he's not divine.

12 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

not sure - everyone around him probably tells him he is and is worthy of incessant and unwavering adulation

12 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

so who the hell does he think dennis rodman is?

12 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

He's an alien ambassador from Solaxiant 9,according to Jay

12 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Right but they also tell him his grandfather turned pincecones into hand-grenades and I'm thinking he's noticed that he can't.

12 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

Just not good enough.

12 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0