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SaraSlaughter
Erie Co, NY, SO and I pull in about 70K gross together.... we struggle. Daycare for two is 550 fucking dollars a WEEK.
YakshaTheYakshini
Nice try clever post, that's just a Meowth.
iprobablydontlikeyou
HailtotheGM
thisistotallynotausername
That kahjit's got some coin
dudeloveall
I knew this was gunna be here. Thank you for not disappointing me
AnElectrifyingMan
Funny, unfortunately I am the high king of skyrim
UNHhhh
"These millennials have no sense of intelligence!" Old man: no lasers on my groceries from the barcode scanner
5po0ky
Is this a thing?
UNHhhh
Yes, sadly.
YoLiGe
This shit again? FFS
SoIHearYouLikeAnimeLists
This is a part time job ringing bells for the Salvation Army.
Sharpteeth
You leave sphinx cats out of this.
Sekai
As a millennium falcon, I had a titular line in Star Wars
AmyWesterbank
...Am I the only one in existence who makes a decent living wage at 30 or some shit?
ikindafail
At 30, no. I think most Imgurians are starving college age kids. 19-28 seems common here.
AmyWesterbank
That's just it innit? 19-28= starving college early career years.
kins7
Can I just say that those are literally shekels.
Pinkpurplestrawberries
Bantri
I do the job I was hired for and now the manager of an entire service department... I get paid 1/3 for both than the last guy did as manager
Cheomesh
Well, how long was he at it?
Bantri
Less than a year. Unfortunately he was fired because they knew I could do it for cheaper. It's hard to get equal pay in your mid 20s.
Cheomesh
That speaks to me like he was simply overpaid, and the position was never really worth that amount.
Skywatcher16
really, because to me that says "oh hey, this guy can do it for less. lets do that to cut labor costs and bolster profits with the savings."
Cheomesh
One in the same.
Bantri
Exactly, never mind the other guy was 50 and had heart conditions, I could do the job (better) and being 25, not expected to make as much
DignamWhenAskedaQuestion
Those goddam hippies !
futuralon
As a a Gen X employer we pay what we can, what they are worth. If we had more $ we'd pay more to people who r worth more.
Throrf
And this sort of common sense is why you're an employer =p
PresidentProTempore
What do you do?
futuralon
Spouse and I have an auto show
futuralon
Shop
creatineshits
How much do you pay? Your employees and yourself.
futuralon
Employees it starts at $10 for basic and more for talent or 6months improvement. Us would be 20-25K/yr
futuralon
Together (we are married) not each
creatineshits
When people like you say that you'd pay more if you could I believe you.
VerdantApollo
It's faint and drowned out by intergenerational bickering, but you can just hear the upper class cackling in the distance.
BooBooPoop
True. Let's fight over medicare and tuition costs while the rich keep getting richer.
TacoMunny
SacreDoom
And yet people insist Marx was entirely wrong. Psch.
jalalabi
Whether they get you to blame it on another generation, gender, race, nationality, or economic class, you're still blind, and the 1% win.
DoublevBomb
http://imgur.com/gOcRFzC
gingerbrdman
Your comment is a near perfect template. You can swap out 'intergenerational' with just a myriad of different subjects and it plays. Kudos.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
i make, what would have been an incredible amount of money for someone my age -- if this was the 90s or earlier. still paycheck to paycheck
o11c
It was the baby boomers who helped the upper class win, despite all the warning signs.
VerdantApollo
The upper class have won way before the boomers.
o11c
Not really. During WWII there were very good laws, originally designed to prevent "war millionaires". They have been dismantled ever since.
VerdantApollo
WWII isn't the birth, or the turning point, of the upper class. Not even close
mrmartini
Remember, Eisenhower, a republican, taxed the wealthy at 90% and supported the New Deal. I think that's what he's talking about.
o11c
But it's the beginning of the *current* mass income inequality.
devilzadvoc8
upper class just built a war within the middle and lower class and cant wait to defeat the winner
ThrowPETAtoTheVeganLions
i reckon its the upper middle class. from my experience (uk) the upper class have morals but the upper middle class see everyone as cattle
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I'm in Canada and I guess I'm upper middle class. I make 6 figures, so does my husband, so do most of my friends. We're all extremely /1
yak3ftw
All the people I know here started being extremely right wing right after their yearly income ticked over 200k. Taxes be shit yo.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Well our combined income is already over that. Has been for a long time. The taxes are worth it, I'd be willing to pay more to see /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
left-leaning. Same with the majority of my coworkers. I'd say it probably has more to do with where you live... like I'm in a liberal /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
city, so of course most people lean liberal. Out in oil country they're a lot more conservative, regardless of their income. So it seems /3
screamingwinemaker
The upper class can afford to have morals.
SexualPeanut
Yes, but they don't. So what's your point here?
WardSharlow
The lower "upper class" is significantly poorer than you think. In the UK, the 67th percentile only grosses 29,500/yr.
allmostthere1234
Oh snap im rich!
allmostthere1234
What if your the lower upper lower class?
WardSharlow
Now that you know you're upper class, I expect you to send your kids to Eton.
SexySquatch
I have a job that requires, by law, a bachelor's degree. After two years I take home less than 30k. This post hits home.
ExtraSpicycherries
£15k jobs here ask for applications from individuals with undergraduate degrees. I have an Eng degree. Earn £6.90 an hour.
CanOpenersOnTheirFaces
Same. People make almost minimum wage in my job and it requires a degree.
SexySquatch
What do you do?
CanOpenersOnTheirFaces
Part time space operator and full time vet tech.
rocketturttle
part of that is supply and demand. Every damned fool has a BA or AS now. Half the bartenders and all the receptionists I know have degrees
ExtraSpicycherries
Receptionist jobs where I live require degrees. I have a BSc, and they're what I'm aiming at. Better than my current £6.90 an hour job.
itsybitsyspider
That's because more and more employers REQUIRE the degrees. It was kind of an Oroboros. The snake bit its own tail.
SexySquatch
Yes, but getting the job also requires lengthy interview and testing process that a lot of people fail.
Skywatcher16
also, you cant call it supply and demand when no matter how unskilled the labor, the demand is always a degree or equivilant.
Pinewood74
What's your job?
SexySquatch
Correctional officer.
kuraiholy
The hell? I was a CO and only had a high school diploma.
creatineshits
Different places have different laws.
rocketturttle
ah. That sucks; they don't need the degree, they need the kind of people who get degrees. GL mate
DoublevBomb
Oh man, this is so fucking true. I'm at the best company I though I could possibly land at and it's still and issue due to bureaucracy.
GingeraffeTW
I could go on for days about how much this relates to me right now.
TheBiggestRipOffSinceWebster
I'd post a comment but don't want to offend the millennial.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
But you just did...
VikingSpaceship
Humble Insult.
BrockenSpectre
My father likes telling stories about working as a child laborer making 4 dollars an hour in freezing cold weather.
BattloidKouji
As long as corporate profits and quarterly shareholder returns are what our market prizes above all else, nothing will change.
5po0ky
This is how it works in America and England especially. In places like Japan, they believe companies exist for the benefit of the consumer
5po0ky
Then the employees, then the shareholders. Crazy concept, right? Problem is that our entire economy itself is a bubble, threatening to pop
5po0ky
If wealth continues to leave the bottom 2/3rds of Americans. Velocity of Money continues to slow, and it's only until we realize they've
5po0ky
Been printing more and more to try and keep it moving that the shoe will drop and everybody gets hyperinflation. Good stuff!
ethanmcculloch227
Yes well done youve solved the wage problem, throw out all we know about econ this fucker figured it out, mean people
uvwaex
Economic reality is the reality no one wants to accept. As an Econ student, I don't either
ethanmcculloch227
Well thats weird cause im very thankful for the free market and what it does for me even though I dont get special benefits from it
uvwaex
I am very thankful for free markets. People are not usually thankful for being told their jobs aren't worth what they feel or used to be
ethanmcculloch227
What im tryin to say is the reality that mcdons aint worth $15/hr cannot be seperated from cheep computers and internet, they is connected
uvwaex
Absolutely
uvwaex
It is this reality that while at the end of the cycle we are all better off, going from place to place does cause some to lose and that gets
ethanmcculloch227
And thats a good thing cause without one you dont have the other
uvwaex
Nothing about a free market makes everyone winners all the time, though often winning more than otherwise. People don't like to "lose" (1)
uvwaex
Bad reactions, usually
ethanmcculloch227
Meh the current job reality is complicated but im old fasion and your government is to large for your own good, shrink it by any means
uvwaex
What is not too large?
scheherezade
Wages are driven by the market value of your labor, unless of course, your market value is below minimum wage.
VikingSpaceship
Nope, in the last 30 years CEO pay has gone up x500. It's greed pure and simple.
uvwaex
It's more to do with stock based salaries and the power in corporate boards which decides CEO pay. Thus riding stock shifts is incentivized
uvwaex
Vs methods and modes to increase real production and value beyond speculated and stock market value
Sheex
Yes, and I'm sure you're advocating strongly for reforming H1N1 visas and mass deportations to restore our labor market to its natural state
uvwaex
What in the world is a labor markets natural state?
Sheex
The state where a country's labor is performed by its citizens...?
uvwaex
Why does a labor market care about citizens? It is about labor?
uvwaex
What makes a citizenry of a country producing any more or less natural than non citizenry?
HashtagDadJokes
How about a wage equal to the market value of your labor?
ikindafail
I'd starve. I'm not very useful. I just look pretty and drop things. :(
ChameleonFacedGoon
How about the proletariat seize the means of production?
uvwaex
What determines market value? What do you do when the market doesn't value your labor enough to keep you alive?
JustCallMeJazzHands
But that's so greedy! I exist, ergo I deserve.
uvwaex
I exist, ergo, I deserve to not starve?
JustCallMeJazzHands
You are never entitled to someone else's money or labor without their consent. If your not starving requires either, you aren't deserving.
uvwaex
You can say die you know
JustCallMeJazzHands
It can be used interchangeably, yes.
uvwaex
To you existence entails property rights, and that is the only entitlement?
JustCallMeJazzHands
The gov't exists to protect your life, liberty, and property from other people.
flapperfemmefatale
a nice thought, but i'd rather not have my tax dollars subsidize employers who want to pay under a living wage.
Sheex
Okay, so let's start some immigration reform and stop outsourcing our labor when we're in dire need of employing our own citizens.
flapperfemmefatale
Won't happen. One, there's a reluctance on both sides to crack down on businesses that hire undocumented workers
creatineshits
Don't vote for those guys. Stop asking elected officals for things and start demanding them.
flapperfemmefatale
That's a simplistic answer. Plus I wasn't talking about the officials, but voters on both sides.
flapperfemmefatale
And three, what does that have to do with paying a living wage?
Sheex
Wages will go for everyone in the long term if you cut out all the H1N1 workers and illegals poaching American jobs for reduced wages.
Sheex
Our economy is ridiculously unstable because horrible policy oversaturated the labor market to an absurd degree.
flapperfemmefatale
I doubt that. Also, I don't think you mean H1N1...That's a flu strain
flapperfemmefatale
Two, most Americans wouldn't work those jobs for the pay immigrants get. And most businesses wouldn't willingly pay morw
flapperfemmefatale
*more
Sheex
Wages go up when excess labor evaporates. It hurts everyone in the short term, but corrects long term problems.
flapperfemmefatale
What evidence do you have that fixing immigration would alone cause enough of a drop in the workforce?
creatineshits
I know plenty of Americans who do those job even at the suppressed wages. YOU wouldn't work those jobs.
flapperfemmefatale
I doubt it. Studies have shown that a majority of business owners who hire undocumented workers would happily hire citizens, all things (1)
IdiotMcNoobtard
A shit boss is a shit boss, no matter the age. There is such a thing as second generation businessmen being the greater asshole.
WeaponizedAutisticCanadian
Its just a joke dude
itsmejessicaiminhere
Kinda like a shit employee is a shit employee and people in the millennial age group shouldn't be lumped in as lazy entitled brats.
TheGoldenPig
Agree. A boss can be an asshole at any generation. Ex: Steve Jobs or Mark Zuckerberg.
TheSecondPiewackit
https://blogs-images.forbes.com/robertwood/files/2016/02/Trump1.jpg
nabtogo
There is always a disclaimer guy
Blud4BludGod
My own anecdotal experience has indicated to me that older bosses tend to be shittier bosses, most of the time (with notable exceptions)
Ryannihilation
Very true, but there's a reason for the stereotype.
NickGeer
Yes people are shit. People are born as shit, they live as shit and they die as shit.
ctth0mas
That's what I'm preparing for. I have the best boss in the world who's a few yrs from handing the company to his ENORMOUS asshole of a son
CantStopAddictedToTheShindig
Good to know that I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. Employees love working for me they think my dad is the Asshole.
digitalutopia
I wish you luck on finding a suitable location to successfully hide the body.
IdiotMcNoobtard
Sorry to hear, let's hope you find a better position somewhere else
Xelbair
don't handle business down to your son. Let him build his own company with blackjack and hookers.
allmostthere1234
Been there. Its a scary situation to be in. Try and think through any major life changing decision instead of emotions when that transpires
allmostthere1234
Good luck
allmostthere1234
Sounds like u already are one step ahead in that
YourKillinMeSmalls
I think the whole problem is made up. I went to college (just graduated) and started put making 65+ a year. Pick a major that makes $$$$
SorryIHaveToBreakItToYou
Or spend less. I spent £4,800 ($5,868) total last year. That's an inclusive or (I studied computer science).
ikindafail
Where do you live?? Rent here is about 450-500, or 859 for a 2 person apartment. Living in Florida. Not even very nice places.
ikindafail
Doesn't include groceries or utilities or gas. Minimum wage is $8.
gravellet
Just curios, what do you do/what did you major in?
YourKillinMeSmalls
Construction management. Great field.
majorslut
You must be fun at parties
ctth0mas
You must be good at using cliche Imgur responses incorrectly
Mechlai
my thoughts exactly
isthiswhereiputmyusernameat
Oh Cry me a table Linda
Chefroy
I think the blame needs to not be put on the generation you see at fault but the generation that raised them.
RisingPhoenix92
I thought it was third generation because theyve only known the sucess and nothing of the struggle of the start
MrRandom314159
I'd like the Wunclers of Boondocks for an example of power and greed. First is power hungry, Second is slimy and manipulative, Third is ass
IdiotMcNoobtard
That too, but the examples I know of are second generation, for the same reason.
PreciousPotato
Yes, me too. You find that often in businesses like bakeries, restaurants etc. The first generation is often in this business because /1
PreciousPotato
they love it and become successful by working long hours and producing high quality. Second generation usually doesn't have the same /2
PreciousPotato
level of passion, but only see it as a job, get their degrees in economics and are mostly about maximizing profit. Of course, some of them/3
snapdoodle
Yeah isn't second generation just a bunch of liberal arts majors trying to live their dreams of changing the world through dance?
RosegoldEverything
No, that's the third generation.
Saucethatisawesome
It's scary how far from the truth this is. Educate yourself.
OhHowTheTurntablesHave
Nah the trope goes 1st gen works hard for a better life, 2nd goes to college and moves to the suburbs, 3rd snowboards and gets art degrees.
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
As someone in college, many of use are, in fact, getting usable degrees.
igotenoughgrillstopaythebills
Third generation business owner her with 68 employees. Far from true. Running a good business is always a struggle.
PreciousPotato
Of course that doesn't apply to everyone. It's just a pity how many bosses don't quite get that the way you treat your employees can make /1
PreciousPotato
a big difference, and I've seen it more often in bosses that inherited the business. Like, when I would get paid the hours from 6am to 1pm/1
PreciousPotato
but HAVE to work from 5:30-1:30, to set up the goods etc, the least I expect a boss who appreciates the extra effort, because that's like /2
SarcasticComment
Don't take it to heart. Generalizations are never meant to include 100% of personal experiences
TheStealthHippopotamus
What is a living wage? I know the definition, I want a dollar amount.
Cheomesh
Depends *wildy* where you are.Where I'm at, I made 15/hr for a bit and it might have been enough to make ends meet if it was just myself.
Skywatcher16
making $10 atm. but if me and my friends could make 15 we could afford our own appartments, instead of basically making a commune outta one
underdogoverhead
My ex wife gets by on just a little over half of what I make.
Pikachu8091
Should be higher, +1
EmeraldLight
Northern BC, at least $30/hour if you want to live alone and in something better than a trailer park or an apartment. Starter homes run you
EmeraldLight
400k and that's a 2 bed 1 bath on its own lot. My park trailer cost me 92k and my pad rent costs more than my mortgage.
Ichose2
http://livingwag">es/06085">http://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/06085 http://livingwage.mit.edu/ Select an area on the right side of the second link
Beiki
Enough money that you can live on your income from that job alone. It would differ depending on the living costs of the city where you live.
inchoroi
In my area (eastern half of North Carolina) we have to make about $30,000 a year between my wife and I, between rent and everything else.
arcturox
If it was to afford house payments and food in east MA, it'd probably be between 15-16 bucks an hour. I may even be able to get health care.
WhySoSiri
The problem is attacking the problem at the income side does nothing about the real problem. Increasing wages will only raise costs.
Dabadoo
what is the definition? Is there a standard?
SomeWeirdGuyOnTheInternet
Up here in Vermont we are slowly ratcheting up to $15/hour.
moose9377
The number where if you work full time you're not living in poverty.
DrRichardJizzums
At $12 an hour full time i get by in Austin, TX with 2 roommates in a house. I suppose i could live on my own but it'd be tight and in a apt
Maulk
Hey I live in round rock!
ineedajob
what do you do for work?
DrRichardJizzums
Receptionist at a clinic. But in May ill be graduating from my massage therapy program. Unfortunately i cant help you with a job lol
ineedajob
Not looking for job help lol despite the name. And 'grats on the coming graduation!
maribl
living wage = rent/house loan+utilities+food cost+ transport+ regular loans+ medical/clothes/ etc+ 10-20%for saving.
somuchleg
I think on average it's around 15/hr
Skywatcher16
it varies with the cost of living. if you knew the definition, you would know that.
HinataxUzumaki
I make 13 an hour working and Austin and my husband makes 15 an hour
Flyndaran
One bedroom apartments here are over $1k a month even if you're willing to commute over an hour.
Dabadoo
In Sacramento thats about right. Moving farther away just adds to the expense of getting to work. San Francisco is even worse.
ikindafail
I think in Florida $10 let's you scrape by with a few luxuries like going to movies, buying ice cream, etc.
Pinewood74
I haven't even figured out the definition. Do I get my own place or with roommates? Biking to work or do I get a car? Kids or single?
WVGleeman
You won't get the definition either because they don't want you to have it. Because then there is a talking point instead of an argument.
Skywatcher16
generally speaking, supporters would say it would be your own place, a car, and a maximum of 5-10% of your expenses as a surplus. 1/2
Pinewood74
Your own place is so much more expensive than roommates, though. Even a studio is >half the cost of a 2BR.
Skywatcher16
however, all this assumes you intend to live on the austere end of modest. so it wont be a 5 bedroom 3 bath home with 100 acres, it wont 2/3
Skywatcher16
be a top of the line custom muscle car, and your "expenses" mean utilities, rent food and medical bills. not vacations to the caribean.
BattloidKouji
Depends on where you live. COL varies drastically in the US.
ThailandExpress
Yes this, $10/hr in Kiln, Mississippi is a whole lot more money than in Seattle, New York City or Los Angeles
cyanide4u
To a millennial, living wage = new car every 3 yrs, mortgage paid off by 30. Never in history has it been. By they are shocked...SHOCKED
ExtraSpicycherries
For the first time ever, my community no longer has access to public transport. Without my 10 yo volkswagen, I wouldn't have a job. (1/?)
ExtraSpicycherries
No-one my age (millennial) expects to ever get their feet onto the property ladder. We're not known as generation rent for no reason. (2/?)
ExtraSpicycherries
My parents bought their home with one working class wage at 22. House now valued at £800k. I don't even qualify for the living wage (3/?)
creatineshits
ikindafail
I'm 23, living at home. Sister is 25, with a degree, living at home. Mom has a desk job, can't afford the house without us.
ikindafail
Sister's degree is either pharmacy or biology or something, Idk. She works in a vet pharmacy bc she likes animals I guess
FamousOnce
$19.25 an hour in NZ. Our minimum wage is $15.25. (that's about USD$13.55 & 10.70)
Fahargo
dear god online purchases have to be amazing. Like as a computer nerd, woprking in high school would have been amazing there
GreenhAagen
$20.20 from July, but seriously don't come to NZ we don't have enough houses. Rent is going up so quick.
FamousOnce
I'm a kiwi. Already looking to buy my second.
PaliQ
Our minimum in GA is 7.25. I've been at my job 4 years and make 7.70. :(
FamousOnce
Are you in one of those jobs where the all-powerful tips top you up? If not.. how the hell do you live on that? Walking/roomshare etc?
PaliQ
No, I'm a cashier I'm a grocery store. I live by the gracious charity and low rent offerings of my best friends mum.
FamousOnce
Praise be for the mums worldwide who take on extra "kids". Mine is one of 'em.
SirBrendan
It's tied to cost of living and amenities. It's a fairly complex equations addressed to each community individually
SirGravy
It's definitely more than the 9.75/h I make in Oregon as a cashier at a truck stop. Sure we don't have sales tax but my apt costs an assload
gingerladybug
I make WA state minimum (11/hr). I wouldn't be able to pay my mortgage/bills/gas/groceries without my wife who makes 30/hr.
creatineshits
It depends on location. $15hr in Louisville is fine. In Bucksnort, TN it's a lot, in Nashville it's not even close to enough.
LetumComplexo
Where I live cheap apartments are around $1000 a month in rent including utilities. Assuming rent is 1/3 of income, $17/hour 40 hours/week.
yuyufan43
Well, I'm handicapped and sometimes have to choose between food and treatment. Disability is not a livable amount (I get $650/month) 1/?
yuyufan43
and my monthly treatment is around $400 after insurance. No heat, no stove or oven, and I'm 20 lbs underweight. So you need more than that!
fettuccine
you need to find another source of incomr
yuyufan43
I work part time as a dog walker 2 keep me out of bed. I love it & that little bit of $ pays for me to have a car to be a little independent
fettuccine
thats amazing. is dog daycare at the park a thing?
yuyufan43
(My fiancé & family have kept me alive since I became disabled @ such a young age that I get less than half of min. wage through disability)
itsybitsyspider
Disability is shit. I hear how much people get for it and am all "What the hell?"
yuyufan43
Unfortunately, my dad's family has taught me that if I rely on other's "tax dollars", I'm pretty much useless. It hurts from family...
gimmesomecakegammit
I believe it depends on your state since costs in different areas vary. In Michigan the talk is 12.50 an hour.
TheSeagullsFromNemo
I'm pretty sure living wage is different than minimum wage but then again, I only have a part time job. :\
gimmesomecakegammit
Yeah, it is different. The cost of living for states is too though, so both tend to vary. I don't know a state where they're equal.
Katalliaan
There was a map made to estimate the gap between living and minimum wages in 2015: http://storymaps.esri.com/stories/2015/living-wage-map/
Katalliaan
That map's out of date now, but their source has more recent data.
EspyonFire
In Mississippi it's $5.50 an hour, 3 Raccoon skins per week, and a 6 pack of Bud Light. Source, I'm from Mississippi.
Magsnificent
Nah, they just raised it to 4 raccoon skins
Ravenbreaker
As someone living in Michigan around the GR area making 15/hr still isn't enough. Unless I want to be paycheck to paycheck with 0 savings
CaptainMinnette
GR is fairly expensive though, isn't it?
Ravenbreaker
Even the surrounding areas are, and I'm not looking for a 30+ minute drive to and from work. Some guys in my shop drive over 1.5h 1 way
Ravenbreaker
Most places want 800+/mo for just rent, no utilities (1br 1 ba) factor in utilities, gas, insurance, food, and 200/mo savings and 1/2
Ravenbreaker
You're looking at maybe 200/mo to spare for anything else that comes up. Based on a straight 40 hour week
5po0ky
Don't forget, if you want to retire you'll need to save up a couple of million dollars by age 65! Or else you will literally work until you
yuyufan43
That's about $2000/month before taxes. I'm disabled and I'm expected to live off of $650 a month BEFORE my treatment. I'm getting sicker 1/2
yuyufan43
so it's clearly not livable. The system is a cruel mistress for those that at sick at young ages. :(
McFuckerStarPants
Good luck my fellow human.
yuyufan43
Who says I'm human? /a/lQDXp
yuyufan43
Also, thank you very much! <3
JustCallMeJazzHands
Your pay should be commensurate with the labor you perform, regardless of the cost of living where the labor is performed.
topdollar38
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. It's unfortunate that some professions make less than some unskilled jobs 1/2
topdollar38
Just because the market is saturated. For example, the janitor made more money than my brother who is a radio producer 2/2
Flyndaran
Fuck those people that don't want to live on the street despite working full time, right?
IATTM
Ummm not really. Col is always a factor. If a 5b3b house on 2 acres of land costs $50k in one place, but $2mil in another, the salary...
IATTM
Should be different. If you look at the taxation side of it, infrastructure upkeep is super cheap in small towns, but super expensive in..
IATTM
Large cities. Commute times, population densities, police forces, all the middle jobs that need supporting in large cities. Large city...
IATTM
Life is way more expensive than small town life.
Pinewood74
I don't think this is accurate. At least not per capita. People that walk to work require almost no MX for trans, but roads are expensive.
IATTM
Still requires roads to transport commodities they consume. Food doesn't just magically appear in a store or restaurant.
Quisaxaderak
The only way to accomplish this is by letting wages be set by market forces. I.e. If you don't pay enough, nobody will do the job.
Quisaxaderak
I understand why it is downed. I to eat everyone to be taken care of and poverty to be gone. But history and economics 1/2
Quisaxaderak
Tells us that the free market, with reasonable regulation, is the best way to make the most people
Quisaxaderak
The most wealthy. It isn't perfect or easy, and too many argue that it should be COMPLETELY free from regulation, which is nonsense
Skywatcher16
dunno why this is downvoted. its the truth. unless you WANT a large number of unskilled labor suddenly having to camp on your lawn 1/2
Skywatcher16
because they cant afford housing despite being employed....
Dabadoo
Sad but true, my son works two jobs and still needs a roomie.
DonkeyFartSuperPunch
baby boomer gen is probably the most selfish gen ever. Unlike earlier ones they took everything and gave nothing to the next gen.
Dabadoo
The boomers are just starting, I think the greatest generation is the first to use the Health and social security systems
thesmelge
Steady on there, Selina Kyle.
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5po0ky
By your logic, no human alive can judge behavior in the past. Was Hitler wrong? I dunno, I'm not adequately informed since I wasn't alive
DonkeyFartSuperPunch
Judgement is based on observing the rights and privilegeds they demanded for themselves but denied to those who came after them.
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DonkeyFartSuperPunch
No were are judging them through the boomers demands and values.
DonkeyFartSuperPunch
In UK this is free uni education, supportive welfare state, home ownership, free movement of travel, better worker pay and right..cont
DonkeyFartSuperPunch
These are all things that BabyBs benefited from but voted in legislation to deny for others. At sametime they leave a polluted world....
DonkeyFartSuperPunch
With wars raging, indebted economies and cuts to services...and yes BREXIT. BabyBs inherited a hopefully future at end of WWII but...cont
Cambino
This is where unions come in to play. "Give us all a livable wage or you won't have a skilled workforce."
LeonardSimms
"skilled work force" hah
literallystalin
Unions are also notoriously corrupt and known for endlessly draining public funds, which is one of the reasons you are broke because taxes
KingGranticus
But you have to ask if it wasn't for that, would workers be worse off without the gains they made through unions? Is it a necessary evil?
moose9377
Unions gave us a 40 hr week (okay, some places), weekends and countless other rights people take for granted.
KingGranticus
So you would answer yes to is it necessary, I agree, labor rights were abhorrent before the advent of unions
moose9377
Of course, yes.
Cheomesh
So you ever wonder why they keep racheting up H1B Visa limits?
creatineshits
Because their visas are contingent upon employment, if they quit they get deported. Companies want slaves not employees.
Sheex
So people can virtue signal about how compassionate they are while over-saturation of the job market drives down wages to unlivable levels?
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Cheomesh
Yes
uvwaex
How is that different than any other competitive dynamic ever? If the workers production so much less, certainly, the market will fix it?
uvwaex
Market power of owners will not be fixed by less visas
darkdragonempress
Sad part is there's already laws on the books to prevent that but no one enforces them.
uvwaex
I certainly have sympathy for workers having their wages reduced, but I don't see how it's different than any other competition
thundercat69
This post isn't referring to skilled labor. This is a person trying to make a career off of minimum wage.
darkdragonempress
Minimum wage was intended to be a living wage according to FDR.
Cheomesh
Well, you can make well above minimum wage and it not be livable. c. 15/hr is the minimum of livable where I'm at, for example 1/
Cheomesh
though you'll quite likely need a roomate if you want much more.Sauce: Lived on 15/hr full time,found it just enough to make ends meet. 2/2
LordWedge
Not a fan of unions myself. Breeds complacency and allows the lazy to keep their jobs. Also screws over new employee's through seniority.
Cambino
I'd like to refute these but they may be true at other workplaces. We don't have a seniority list and the lazy are the first to get laid off
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LordWedge
I just hate when hard working individuals get passed up for promotions simply because some lazy coworker has more seniority.
LordWedge
Said nothing about immigrants. Could care less who has the job so long as they are qualified, eligible, and actually earning their pay.
uvwaex
Same. Sorry for my assumptions
Cambino
I knew this was a terrible spot to post production union stuff. Imgur is notoriously antiunion. But because of my union I make 37/h not 15/h
Dabadoo
so your job is really only worth 15?
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Define "worth." Often distortions and dynamic inefficiencies can lead to market outcomes quite far from marginal productivity of the worker.
Dabadoo
Im thinking bout three fiddly
Dabadoo
drrrrrr fiddy
Sheex
Imgur is full of college graduates who can't find productive employment, and you think it's anti-union...? What am I missing?
Enoan
I had heard all sorts of things about how unions prevented "bad" employees from being fired, but then my chem teacher got fired even though
Enoan
He really was doing his job, but enough parents called in complaining that he didn't assign homework. He was in a union but they found a way
rocketturttle
"If I give all of you a livable wage I still won't have a skilled workforce as none of us will have jobs in six months"
rocketturttle
Guys, don't downvote mormonator. He made a statement based on his knowledge, not emotion, not name-calling. this is what breeds good debate
mormonator12
Eh they disagree and have the right to down vote. You take the good and the bad.
creatineshits
If you can't afford to pay your employees you can't afford to own a business. Stop flooding the market with garbage.
Cheomesh
That's a sign of a business being on life support to begin with.
mormonator12
For the companies that take up most of the workforce...that's just not true. McDs, Walmart, and BoA could pay everyone 50k and profit mils.
rocketturttle
let's take McDonalds as an example. if they lose all profits, they have no way to build new stores or renovate old ones, but forget that1/2
rocketturttle
last year they made a profit of $1.3 bil. divide that by their 2mil employees, /52weeks, /30hrs, and you get $0.42/hour raise. Math.
HelloHiImTom
And yet employees are to lazy to clean ice cream machine. Get simple orders wrong. Robots will be replacing them. Downside tax payers suffer
5po0ky
Dude your numbers are all sorts of fucky. 1st off, $1.3B is what they make QUARTERLY. $6B profit in 2016. 1.5 million employees. = $2.57/hr
ArtMadeofYourComment
Not to mention how higher minimum wage screws over small companies that can't absorb that kind of financial blow. Want nothing but huge 1/2
heyguysimtom
Except that unions also manage to royally fuck over the members through union dues over the last 69 years
WhySoSiri
Just like political parties, at one point they stood for their actual platform. Now they are just mouthpieces for the influential people
moose9377
Literally any organization can be corrupted. Doesn't mean they're not necessary. Just require greater scrutiny.
KingGranticus
But you have to ask if it wasn't for that, would workers be worse off without the gains they made through unions? Is it a necessary evil?
5po0ky
Very much so, or else you get companies who will pay their workforce the least amount possible under law. e.g. McDonald's & Walmart where
5po0ky
much of their workforce musty also be on gov't entitlements just to survive. Don't worry tho, Walmart hasn't missed a dividend pmt in years
WhySoSiri
The same reasoning I still ask if losing a tail during evolution was necessary
IreallyMGur
Tell that to all the red states enacting 'Right to Work' laws to dismantle unions. Those unemployed folks then went on to vote for Trump.
heyguysimtom
Except that many of those red states happen to have skyrocketing economies. Source: I live in one
VikingSpaceship
Not true at all.
Skywatcher16
then you live in an exception. kansas, louisianna, florida, all deep red, all bottom of the list economies. meanwhile cali's economy 1/2
Skywatcher16
booms to 6ths in the WORLD. as in its competing with entire COUNTIRES and winning, and financial records show that most red states make 2/3
Skywatcher16
less money than they use while blue states like cali, oregon, NY, and so on support their money sink operation.
Sheex
This is part where you do some self-reflection and try to figure out why that is. Hint: your narrative is wrong.
uvwaex
Yeah it's impossible for worker rights to be shit on and economic production going up from natural gas balancing it out in the aggregate
Sheex
Of course. It's just those dumb ignorant red states full of rednecks! Look at me guys, I'm calling out the Nazis! I am such a good person!
uvwaex
Yes this is what I said lmao
uvwaex
All I said is that economic activity is often the result of more things than "union or not union" and is emergent from simultaneous factors