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Pros que insistem que o não-sistema de saúde dos EUA é muito bom...
Feb 27, 2020 10:19 PM
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SickboySuperfly
As someone who works in a pharmacy I can see the effects of this every day. It's the most heartbreaking part of my job.
GimcrackGewgaw
It took a year of fighting to get a $200K hospital bill covered. And I have "good" insurance. That's why I'm for Medicare For All.
tobiassolem
Who wins, corporate America or the "temporarily embarrassed millionaires"?
Govote
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
Ryann85
Doing God's work here!
Bourbonkers
I can't afford the ct scan my doc wants. The deductible will bankrupt me. Postpone it a few months, hope for the best. The American Way.
breakingcode
The purpose of insurance isn't to cover your health care needs, it's to ensure you die with no wealth to pass on.
Bignizzle656
Grateful for the NHS. UK might be a bit messy but we've got some heart. If this is communism then I'll take it.
AngryGroundhog
It’s 27M uninsured, not 87M. Also of interest: the 500k bankrupt annually is half what it was before the Affordable Care Act was passed.
AngryGroundhog
Clearly we’ve got a long way to go, but let’s not pretend there’s been no progress & that Sander’s opponents didn’t fight like hell for it.
Snowdriftless
I work in "healthcare" it the US. I want the need for my middle management BS job to go away.
Mirilali
I agree.. I'm an auditor for an broker administration. Insurance shouldn't be this complicated and convoluted that I have this job.
SmokyDoggg
notyoursocialworker
I have insurance. I couldn’t afford an ultrasound. I cried & had to ask my mom for money. They found cysts. Im so lucky I had her for help.
bonly89
The same Democrats who passed the ACA and forced people to buy insurance no matter how shitty it is.
combatwombat0
After that legislation was gutted people's premiums rose on average by about 7%. It was a step in the right direction, albeit a small one
HypnotoadIRL
If you think Bernie is "the same democrats$ you haven't been paying attention. Those Democrats are the ones running around saying he 1/2
HypnotoadIRL
Doesn't belong 2/2
gohomebaby
Imgur has such a hard on for Bernie
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
I feel a lot of 20's age people here at that age they want change when they hit 30 they just want bread
orzhvopatriarch
Voters seem to as well
justaddbeer
This aged well
someofthebacon
HeDiedInABizarreGardeningAccident
I know it's crazy. It's not like he's won the first three primaries and leads polls in most of the remaining states
justaddbeer
Uh oh
gohomebaby
Maybe because he’s a populist and it’s easy to get silly people to vote for you by saying certain things - even if they’re void of reality
PrinzRheinfall
The things void of reality that are normal in every other first world country. Or well, in actual first world countries. Not your fake one
breakingcode
Actually he's just a populist insofar as his policies stand to benefit the most people,.. which is kind of the point.
justaddbeer
Kids and their phones
BanananaNotToScale
A company in our city had lay offs, many of those folks died not long after. Health care should not be solely connected to your job.
cschultzy56
The problem is, the Dems aren't "Standing up" against the healthcare industry. Their single payer plans make the healthcare industry even...
cschultzy56
larger and more profitable. They aren't saying, "Hey. It's really fucked up that a surgery that costs like, $5000 in Europe costs $200,000..
cschultzy56
here in the US. We need to do something about how the insurance and healthcare industries play with each other to make the other...
cschultzy56
outrageously profitable." They're saying, "Hey, isn't it fucked up that not everyone can afford this $200,000 surgery? Wouldn't it be...
cschultzy56
cool if taxpayers as a whole footed the bill?" That isn't standing up against an industry. That's making sure the industry that pays for...
cschultzy56
your re-election makes even more money so they can pay for your next re-election. I'm not saying that healthcare for everyone isn't...
makesense
Okay, Bernie-philes, fixing the HEALTHCARE system is different than Medicare-For-All. That's fixing the INSURANCE system.
shadefang
And the argument is: implementing that will solve the immediate access problem. and that pitting the medical industry against someone (1/2)
shadefang
(2/2) better equipped to negotiate prices with them than the average citizen (the government) may help the overall price problem/
AmyRene
Insurance is a HUGE part of the problem. WAY to much overhead costs.
breakingcode
the insurance industry is the fundamental problem, that's why a half and half solution fails, b/c they dump worst cases onto public plans
orzhvopatriarch
I have no idea what point you are trying to make, do you think we haven't been talking about how to pay for healthcare this whole time?
algoritham
No matter how much polish you have, you can't polish a turd. Throw out the insurance system. It will never work so long as profit = goal.
breakingcode
I get your point, but you're wrong about the turd.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI
keillrandor
That's because it's the funding that's the problem: the healthcare system is fine, if you can currently afford it, so that's the problem.
BookCreaseOnFace
I would disagree that the US healthcare system is fine. The malpractice cases and mistake coverups I see ... you would feel differently.
makesense
Yes and no. It shouldn't cost $30 for a Tylenol at a hospital, even if the insurance gets it down to $10. Both gouge consumers.
orzhvopatriarch
Insurance is a big reason that Tylenol costs 30 dollars though, padding for the extra administrative cost and profit margin
keillrandor
That's why M4A - so long as it lets the government negotiate prices! - will work better. Obviously if it doesn't, then....
PickleMeElmoooo
Do you not know why it costs that much? It's to pay for all the uninsured patients at the emergency room.
DudeThatsRacist
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BriefausdemGeist
That’s half of them, hard to differentiate.
jpatterson45
I’ve never considered myself a Democrat, but I really like what The Bern has to say
Frederf
Democratic Party, or at least their progressive policies have always polled higher than the candidates that hold them.
Govote
Register and vote! Bern wasn't always had either. Check your voter registration at vote.org
breakingcode
Bernie isn't really a Democrat, he's an indie running on the DNC bill. Much like Trump was,.. so let's hope they cancel each other out.
fizzlebuns
So do I, but I want it actually implemented, so I'm voting for Elizabeth Warren.
Linkleismyspiritanimal
While I understand your reasons to vote for Warren, She may not have the ability to beat trump. He has a lot of sexist crap he’s thrown down
nahlej
As long as you're voting you get my +1
tommydub91
I'm not for socialism. But this is pure. How do we make government efficient at this?
breakingcode
One of Bernies other items helps w/that... You kill things like Citizens's United and show where all the money comes from.
zFUBARz
Ask the rest of the developed world for tips.
ArtfullySane
S117MC
Honestly didn’t expect the level of detail provided here https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/
breakingcode
If "the other side" could read, there wouldn't be much of a debate.
GroovyCrowley
I always have to laugh when I hear the tax argument. Just stop pumping 650 billion dollar a year into your military.
BPce
And let other countries run over us? NO THANKS! Build that wall!!
Skywatcher16
ya know theres a lotta wiggle room between 650 billion and 0, right?
breakingcode
that and actually collect taxes from everyone, kill business & billionarie loopholes micro tax intl digital services etc.. etc.. etc..
hstein3
Census.gov estimated the number of uninsured at ~28M. I wonder where he gets his figures.
burningitchyrash
Not possible. Obamacare fixed everything..
positronflux
It did not. But it might have fixed a LOT more if Ted Kennedy hadn't croaked in the 11th hour forcing Obama to water it down to please GOP.
orzhvopatriarch
I'm going to be honest, 28 million is bad enough
szepasszony
Uninsured and underinsured adults is at 84M in the US https://www.uphelp.org/nearly-half-all-american-adults-are-uninsured-or-underinsured
hstein3
So that number is credited to Commonwealth Fund, but I can't find it in any linked work from them.
szepasszony
And that number is only Americans between 19 and 64 who were insured all year.
szepasszony
https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/may/problem-underinsurance-and-how-rising-deductibles-will-make-it
szepasszony
Commonwealth Fund did a study in 2014 that stated 31M are underinsured. Source above.
hstein3
Seeing ~28M uninsured for that year . . . Still doesn't get to 80M+
szepasszony
Not UNinsured, that is UNDERinsured. But ONLY underinsured between 19-64 that had coverage the whole year. UNinsured adults is ~55M.
szepasszony
Only counting adults, uninsured + underinsured is about 83 million.
youknowiamasexypenguin
As a Canadian, I cannot fathom the depths of ignorance possible that allow people to argue this point. No one should go broke for being sick
pitterIpatter
Degens from upcountry
SirSmurfalot
Every other First World Country: That is totally ignorant! America: Hold my Bleach!
HeDiedInABizarreGardeningAccident
Conservative: "Actually they should"
breakingcode
The two party system has a strangle hold on the US populace through messaging and misdirection.
PickleMeElmoooo
As an American I can't fathom having to wait 10 weeks to see a specialist. Not one should die waiting for weeks to see a doctor.
lleeeeeeeroyjeeenkinss
I ve heard this argument a few times, but is there actually any proof or source to this claim?
server1a
Can't see a doctor if you don't have, or they won't take your insurance.
vintagehorsesdrinkstea
American here - so far I’ve waited five weeks for the referral to go through and haven’t heard anything
pygmypufftrampstamp
The wait is only that long in non emergent cases. If there's an immediate concern you go to the hospital and get a consult from the /1
pygmypufftrampstamp
specialist on call. Also you don't have to pay for the tests....
jrabbitmusic
ninjafartball
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
Drunk3nm0nkey
Lol I wish. Quick game to 11 for president.
Sh4dowWalker96
Don won't show up, and claim bone spurs, and that he should win by default due to a "medical condition".
RydWolf
What medical condition? He's been saving his energy so that he can be the healthiest president ever.
Patches3000
Donnie is tryin to fuck around and get dunked on
ArtfullySane
jrabbitmusic
Omg yes lololol
toobiwanyoulisten
Sauce please? I want to share this with artist credit bc fuck yeah
jrabbitmusic
I unfortunately don’t know the artist - just found and favorited on imgur:/
TheManDelorean
I think u/aledlewis on reddit. I don’t know if they’re the original artist, but that’s where I found them. There’s also a bunch more.
jrabbitmusic
link? These are great lol
munchmunchmunch
We’re the only country where if you lose your job, you lose your livelihood AND your health insurance. And your KIDS lose it too. HA! FAIR!
dingofdong
BuT aMeRiCa Is ThE gReAtEsT cOuNtRy In ThE wOrLd
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munchmunchmunch
I had limited characters available it you’re right. But once you get a job again you have to navigate new insurance if you’re lucky enough
munchmunchmunch
To get a job with insurance. And then you make too much for Medicaid.
feanoreldar
I had the freedom to change jobs three times last year, while maintaining my children and mortgage. No fear of job loss in New Zealand
BlackHatta
Not the only same happens in Chile, thanks to USA and the CIA We kinda revolting rite now, but since we dont use ur flag like HK u dont care
DevonGronka
But we can't do any better because doing better would be evil communism and communism is baaaaddd. I know because the old guy on the TV 1/2
DevonGronka
told me so.
grobesviech
It's really absurd. My dad lives in Montenegro and the citizens get healthcare, and if drugs are not covered, th very cheap (i.e.affordable)
Cheomesh
Well, it gives me incentive to not fuck about I guess.
FirstNutDntCount
The only country? ?
DarkZalgo
Only developed country without it*
dudeloveall
Who downvoted this? He’s right!
munchmunchmunch
She*
DarthBernard
We here in Australia have universal health care, called Medicare. We’re not some socialist, commie, failed state. It works.
RodMadrid
There is also medicare in the US but its for very low or no income people
Tesseract09
But does it cover all conditions, and all doctors? Here a checkup is usually about $70, and we get half straight back.
Tesseract09
Which is open to everyone. For low income there is an option to bulk-bill, where the Gov pays everything, but grater wait times
DarthBernard
True. The Dr I go to charges $70 and I get $35 back from the Gov. Could just go to a medical centre and get it for $0 but have that choice.
Waitinglikeastalkingbutler
CaptainConservative
False. Its called short and long term disability insurance. And it costs 1-3% of your salary. For 30k to 200k policy.
xiaodown
Happened to me. Last year, lost job on July 27th, health care only continued to the end of the month. Family fully without insurance. Sigh.
Lavawight
If you've got little or no income and you have kids, you and your kids probably qualify for medicaid. The kids at the very least.
munchmunchmunch
Yes you’re correct. But I hate the fact that job and insurance are connected in the first place.
kjfett
My kids had to be without health insurance for three months to qualify. It shouldn't be tied to employment is the bigger issue though.
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
USA's gonna overtake Japan for suicide rates real quick.
OnlyBones
Yeah, freedom baby!
LaserDolphin
Not that our healthcare system is good or anything, when I was unemployed I got insurance through the state for me and my kids. Didn’t pay
whateverthevoicestellme
There are also millions of spouses and children staying in abusive households just to have health insurance.
1Plebian
What's the government version of staying in a relationship?
JustForCatlos
Prolly not millions but definitely happens frequently personally my mother cant take a raise because we would loose eligibility fr our plan
randomusergnome
... working in hostile work environments as well. Had a co-worker put up with it to keep health insurance for the family
BerntheVote2020
Link? I’m not finding that.
WREP
My fucking mother, asshole
TheVapeCrusader
There an actual statistic for this shit or are you just pulling waste rods from your ass?
lastmanonearthbutidroppedmyglasses
And tens if not hundreds of thousands of people risking their lives in the military for the same reason.
Lethous
That’s me, there’s is a 0% chance I won’t re-enlist, 100% healthcare? For life if I retire? 12 more years it is!
Lethous
People used to join LF or college, which is still true for most younger people. In the years since I’ve joined I’ve seen many upper 20s 1/2
Lethous
And some in their 30s with families join. Reason? Full coverage insurance. Not education or stability, just for family healthcare
FreedomMinister
You can keep the same insurance for for 12 months or more with cobra. I know because I've done it before.
runmor2
Yeah, also Marketplace coverage with a subsidy is available. But, logic gets downvoted.
runmor2
Point proven. ^
008732
When I lost my job, Cobra would have cost me $700 per month to keep my plan. Can’t pay that while unemployed!
FreedomMinister
Thanks Obama.. At my previous job (3 years Ago) my insurance was $800/month. In 2013 it was $48/month.
StanAgde
At triple the price
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I keep mine for life!
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
/a/4in5pyb
crushingbore
If you can afford cobra you almost don't need insurance.
FreedomMinister
It's called having a savings account incase you lose your job...
punderstorm
It's called not makeing enough money to live off of, let alone save any of it....
Kurnis
So I need to be paying for my healthcare AND have a savings account to pay for my healthcare in case I get fired and lose said healthcare?
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
And if you have a high-deductible plan, you get to pay for healthcare while paying for healthcare.
atropos81018
A lot of Americans are paid so little, they don't have enough left to put into savings.. I had a degree and was making $12/hour using it.
shawnemack
But...but...socialism!
PrincessLeliana
silence communist /s
DanSapSan
While writing, I realized that Optimus Prime, while a parody for ultra patriotism, is kinda right with "Death Is a preferable alternative to
DanSapSan
Communism" for some Americans, apparently. Also seeing communists everywhere.
PrincessLeliana
That was liberty prime, from fallout 3.
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breakingcode
Everyone knows about commie Canada w/their bread & maple syrup lines full of starving ppl, 10 day waits in the ER, & an 80% hockey tax!
CoolioStallone
Lol hockey tax
MrAnderson67
Yes but it's not perfect does it work for me so far yes but it's far from perfect
darkdragonempress
I spend a little over 200 a month with a subsidized plan. I have a copay and I chose the more expensive plan because of a lower deductible.1
darkdragonempress
When I reach that deductible I will still have to pay a certain percentage for things. Yours might not be perfect but I have to do a 2
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
Well it doesn't work for many others. Change needs to happen. Companies shouldn't profit off the suffering of others.
trigaranus
"This is shit. I'm literally dying. But I SHALL EXCHANGE IT FOR SOMETHING PERFECT ONLY! Alternative just good, not perfect? Not interested!"
manbewbs
The real issue is no other country or entity on this planet compares to the USA, the world compares itself to Us, none of these
manbewbs
Issues are spelled out for any country at this point, we are infantile and the mightiest at the same time, it's wild. Capitalism and
manbewbs
Democracy brought us here. No other country is remotely close in might and ingenuity. No ego all fact.
manbewbs
It's wild how some racists has a problem with the fact is the USA is the only country on Earth mad eup of all ethnicities. Fact
darkdragonempress
That’s not really true. We have a lot of ingenuity and things to be proud of, but we aren’t really the greatest. Especially since we don’t 1
SansAandAnguS
As a non-American I find this ext unfair & I'm surprised the people haven't had an uprising over it! It's nothing more than corporate greed!
boredi
Americans have become too complacent. Too many of our youth are just like, "Oh well. What can I do about it?"
boredi
People have been divided by media so they are less likely to stand together against the true evil in this county, US government, INC.
AdornedOdin
Any argument gets shut down with "America is the greatest place in the world to live, you have it so good and you don't appreciate it!"
TripleDane
You don't understand the levels of "its not the American way so it must be bad" attitude towards everything. US is for companies not people
SansAandAnguS
Yeah, I see your point. It's very sad though :(
zFUBARz
American exceptionalism was a brilliant piece of propaganda.
breakingcode
That's why trump uses it as a cornerstone for all his messaging
HamburgerWelper
I can’t think of anything short of an apocalypse that would beat the apathy and latent hatred here.
TheUnholyGuacamole
So true
PaintChipsandScotch
Nobody hates Americans more than Americans. But it’s the same why you “hate” your bitch of a sibling.
JuJuBe15
They are saying that Corona virus is going to lead to economic shock. Pestilence may be the horseman to break the status quo
mondeca
As an American, there is a media machine designed to convince poor people that the system needs to be rigged in favor of the rich.
breakingcode
As long as *most* of the people aren't starving, you can spend and spin your way out of revolts and revolution with a "two party" system.
dingofdong
AKA FOX "news"
pancakesplz
and that they "earned" not paying their fair share of taxes etc.
Linkleismyspiritanimal
If things don’t change it will come to an uprising
charlie2979
No chance. Totally subdued population, no political consciousness. Propaganda everywhere.
breakingcode
As long as most people aren't starving, the 2 party system is self perpetuating and insulated against revolution.
charlie2979
Even then. Revolution comes from below, cant see the level of class solidarity needed. Too many reactionarys.
charlie2979
Plus constant propaganda. Even if its not seen as propaganda. 3
charlie2979
The 2nd amendment is a concession made by the ruling class that pretty much guarantees imo that there wont be a revolution. 2
aFadingMemory
How are people going to uprise when they cant be bothered to vote? Democracy would work just fine if everyone participated.
zigbigidorlu
Can't uprise if the rich own the police.
Seanspeed
We can have nationalized healthcare and not 'essentially' banning private insurance. If national healthcare is any good, people will use it
thanatos777
The insurance companies will offload all of the severely/chronically sick people onto the public option, and we won't get rid of all of 1/
thanatos777
the administrative overhead that we would save with a single payer. 2/2
Seanspeed
I dont think you understand what these terms mean.
breakingcode
100% They'll dump/disqualify people at a mass rate, & they'll pay kickbacks to hospitals to do same. Insurance companies ARE the problem.
Lulabel73
In Australia we have both. It’s not perfect but it’s better than the USA’s system.
The701
Though, "better than the USA's system" isn't exactly a high bar to clear.
Lulabel73
True
breakingcode
Wrong. The'll manipulate the system to give lower quality to public participants. Their corruption ruins the SYSTEM not just your wallet.
Seanspeed
The main thing is that we need something that can actually be passed. If a public option is the best chance for change then we should do it
Seanspeed
Oh yea, and this anti-Democrat party rhetoric is only going to hurt Bernie's chances and all other Congress/governor races and whatnot.
MtHoodDweller
Thank you for being educated on reality. This Berniebro base is extremely naive and uncompromising.
Camelspotting
It does a little, but much, much less than the anti-Bernie rhetoric from the party.
Seanspeed
Y'all keep acting like victims and spreading anti-Democratic party sentiment. And then wonder how Trump won again. smh
Camelspotting
If the party represented the people then that wouldn't be a problem would it?
ArcaneConjecture
The "public option" is better. But I may *still* vote Bernie...just so they get the message that the status quo is FUCKING UNACCEPTABLE.
ihaveaten
Big bet - if Bernie loses the General, the takeaway everyone will have is "ignore the left."
ArcaneConjecture
If that happened, as a leftist, I'd re-examine what policies we should support. If the people want Aetna and Cigna, they deserve them.
nahlej
Why should we protect private insurance?
Seanspeed
It's not about protecting private insurance. The better you make national healthcare, the less appealing private insurance would be.
Seanspeed
Basically, it's a fight that would resolve itself. All while being something that would be easier to actually *pass* in Congress.
PickleMeElmoooo
And watch the public health Care be complete garbage. WE NEED MORE MONEY!
FaoySamfs
Because over 240 million Americans use it and even in countries with public healthcare private insurance is still used to a large degree.
FaoySamfs
You're also not just talking about those that are insured, you're talking about the millions of Americans earning a living from it.
combatwombat0
I'd rather not earn a living from working in a system that denies other people healthcare and would gladly switch if that was the case
FaoySamfs
People always look at this as a simple black-and-white issue without seeing how it affects so many other people. We can have both.
samwyze
It's not like these people could EVER get work elsewhere. They might even enjoy sleeping again when they aren't denying claims all day.
xKaraKx
Biden stopped laughing real fuckin quick
2CobaltBlueSaltShakers
Bernie can make sense. Add hospitals not telling costs.
QuartzPoker
His son died of cancer, which is what Bernie mentioned.
BojackTheHorsemanDontActLikeYouDontKnow
Biden randomly just smiles like he has been huffing benzine
golemsheppard
He just forgot where he was.
ddbrown30
Sauce?
SeamusMCMXCVI
Bitch boi Biden
AllTheGoodUsernamesAreTaken86
Pretty sure his son died of cancer.
itxtalone
i bet he had good health insurance tho
3PiecesOfBread
In his defense he probably had no idea what he was laughing at in the first place.
derscur
Fuckin kidsniffer
xKaraKx
Creepy uncle joe
Midgarmerc
He's not concerned since hes running for the Senate not the presidency
doodoobailey
As he fucking should
barbarian818
my guess is whoever has the mic that feeds his in-ear prompter told him to knock it off.
Beefkins
He must have realized he was the joke.
PietroAretino
I don't know why, Biden is a fucking joke. He should learn to laugh at himself more often.
breakingcode
Look,. I have the best policy of, well, what has to happen, because I mean Look, you have black people love me &,. LOOK, I SAID BARAK OBAMA!
TheTinyWolf
I mean, isn't that pretty much how Trump speaks too?
breakingcode
Look, I don't need to because look, I have the best, I know people who, I know more about, & believe me, other people don't have the best.
breakingcode
No matter how incorrect, he focuses more on Me, Mine, I (makes himself the focal point of anything good) & they, them, others, for the bad.
motherfluffer
Wh I first read it, I thought bear bus was making a joke about it being cruel that he still has to talk about it, but idk
scojbo
Man, back before he ran for pres, Biden memes were a blast. Why couldn't he have just stopped there and let that be his legacy?
Invyggle
He got the look
CPatricoo
The pictures are not timed with the words. The images are deliberately designed to make you hate him.
StanAgde
Not hard
staler172
This is a first, I guarantee it
breakingcode
too late
ShadyEsperanto
what? people do that? put shit up on the internet that's not 100% accurate?
BrophessorX
Biden makes me hate Biden. His record, his lack of fundamental belief or conviction, his pandering and his nepotism make me hate him.
belongsinamuseum
Hate Biden! Then you’re really gonna hate Trump 2.0!
friendsofsandwiches
you mean Bloomberg?
CPatricoo
Thats fine. This image is what it is, though.
breakingcode
look, you can't hate..I mean Joe is, with I mean C'mon now, I'm, I was with Barak Obama! And LOOK I'm the, I, did I mention Barak Obama!?
EdwardHarley
If mentioning Obama carried much weight he'd probably mention it more. Obama was a disappointment for every day people.
GreasyFartKnocker
Just wanna point out Biden was involved with MK Ultra
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
Biden was the main author of he Omnibus Terrorism Act of 1995, which was word for word copied and retitled "The Patriot Act". 2/
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
2/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Counterterrorism_Act_of_1995
u2bist
Given the many misleading things Biden and the rest have said about Bernie in the debates, you're playing the world's smallest violin here.
Corrodias
Nevertheless, this image is misleading, and championing for it is prioritizing "winning" over truth. We know what politicians enjoy that.
CPatricoo
I feel like youre exposing yourself to a very narrow field of information. You could be using this as an opportunity to diversify spurces.
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
Spurces are entirely overrated.
SaudiGuy
You mean like accusing Bernie of praising Cuba like Obama did? that kind of "designed to make you hate him"?
IDidntWantToDoThis
Yes? I don't know why propaganda for one person makes propaganda for another person acceptable. Both are manipulative.
breakingcode
DNC 100% owns Joe, Amy, Kim and Pete. Trillions on the line. They will stop at nothing to keep the nomination from him & keep a status quo.
matat00
Lol you sound exactly like a Donald trump supporter if you switched the party. Cringe af dude and get some self awareness/ dignity
ratfaceddog
Long as they just keep one.
BriefausdemGeist
You know his son died of glioblastoma, right?
mondeca
He wasn't in any danger of going bankrupt on medical bills, so I don't see why he's relevant.
BriefausdemGeist
You’re a heartless POS aren’t you?
Justsomedude223
I like to save those kinda comments for the pharma companies who keep sucking me dry of money from something I'll be taking the rest my life
Chuuseone
Im pretty sure he has a good knowledge of how much he spent to treat his son tho.
bohemiancrabcity
I doubt it was much, they have golden medical plans.
bohemiancrabcity
Which is part of why they dont see it as a problem. It's not a problem they are familiar with.
ultradongle
Maybe, but I'm not sure he realizes how many of us pay for an insurance plan that we are too scared to use. I still owe $2700 on an ER 1/2
aFadingMemory
Yep! I don't know WTF politicians are talking about every time they start going off about how much ppl love their ins companies.
ultradongle
Visit from 2 years ago that I have a payment plan on so my credit would not get screwed. That's with Ins. Premium that is $258 a month. 2/2
breakingcode
I have "good" insurance (not that there is any such thing) and a "good" paying job. I'm always 1 serious medical event from being homeless.
DryPoo
Go ahead Skippy, bring a medicine to market. See how much it costs. You have no fucking idea what it takes.
hashervagineer
It takes the government paying for it while the private corporation takes the profit.
xKaraKx
Insulin costs 7 bucks per dose. It currently costs almost 600
WhatTheDormouseSaid
When you're fukkin the dog and someone walks in and turns on the light.
Tranced42
Invite them to join
hines7848
ilovedogknots
Um
Gayforbae
Know that feeling huh?
PancakeLegend
Lovethesmelloftoastedsourdoughbread
mygfgoestoadifferentschoolyouwouldntknowher
CptJohnYossarian
mygfgoestoadifferentschoolyouwouldntknowher
critausy
It's knot what it looks like!
MsSomebody
FlakyPastryCrust
I choked laughing at this comment. Thank you.
AStruggler
This is very specific...
GetSquanched
I'm just hoping they walked in on somebody... Like, please don't be speaking for yourself, commenter. PLEASE
ozzycats
TheGriffin
soulessgingr
HMRyuuza
burningeagle
Nolfelix115
Dog fukken means no dancing its FUCKIN EMBARRASSING!
pistachiowithaplan
iluvbunbuns
onecowboytoo
You shouldn't cal your mom a dog.
Rohmke
pyr0chaos
Oh
St3v3Wh0
dav3nasty
Asadsadsadclown
Dreadhawk
When you spot the edit you made in the wild so long after you made it.
GetSquanched
Thank you for your service!
dav3nasty
Mig15IsTheLeadingThreatToTodaysAirThreatSuperiority
I kept laughing the whole way through
MaliceofTheHighestDegree
Probably thought of his late son.
FlyingScotsman27
breakingcode
More likely thought of the impact Sanders would have on the corruption of the DNC which owns him lock stock and barrel.
bs13690
How late was he? My son never showed up on time either.
BobTheTalkingSkull
GiantEnemyMudcrabz
He’s almost five years late to dinner with his parents.
Outlawnightmare
MaliceofTheHighestDegree
Feel like I should point out I wasn't making fun of him.
SlasherQuan
I thought you were
MaliceofTheHighestDegree
Nah, I'm not that cold-hearted lol.
HooahDO
thelazyninja
No worries anon. We didn't think you were.
kepattRunner
Do we call commenters “anon” in Imgur? I thought that was something else.
Renza0
pretty sure anon is a 4chan thing
HawaiianPinoy
He won’t be able to pass any of his fairytale pie in the sky free shit policies.
Spootastic
None of it is free. We pay taxes. It is just diverting money we waste on walls and fighter jets to things that need it.
neutronfish
And he has a magic wand he’ll wave and reallocate that money. Or will he just scowl really hard at Mitch McConnell who’ll promptly pass M4A?
Spootastic
Better not to even try if someone wants to stand in your way, huh.
neutronfish
For your strawman to work, Bernie would need to accomplish more than renaming four post offices after more than my lifetime in Congress.
breakingcode
Well,.. making people and businesses that make billions but pay 0.00 in taxes is a prime mover.
DamascusFire
Mainly because he and the president he served didn't have the guts. I'd imagine.
DamascusFire
How does Bernie plan on doing this, then? I'd say forgive my ignorance but I don't see that happening at this point :)
DamascusFire
No answers huh..
CaffeineManic
As long as GOP controls the Senate, no Democratic president needs to worry about implementing their plans.
Lowktar
100% concentrated power of will.
DamascusFire
I imagine when this happens, he will glow like a lightbulb as a symbol of hope.
LoudAngryJerk
can't do a google search yourself huh? https://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+does+bernie+pay+for+it
DamascusFire
No I mean how is he going to deal with people putting him down like they did with President Obama.
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ThatLoserTheFourth
That's because, in their eyes, everything bad that happens to them is the fault of the party that they're against. They don't care how 1/
CaffeineManic
Don't forget Obama was stymied by a GOP controlled Senate for the last 6 years of his 8 year term, & the GOP has been 100% dedicated to…
CaffeineManic
… reversing EVERY action taken by Obama, regardless of merit.
ArtfullySane
And they will be doing the same thing from here on out, vote those asshats out!
hogdmyer
I completely agree, Obama tried to reach across the aisle (like he campaigned on) & come to an agreement. The GOP had none of it in 08-10 1/
hogdmyer
Which is why Obama didn't get many bills passed. He tried to compromise on "Obamacare" until the end, dropping the Public Option & in the 2/
hogdmyer
end not a single republican voted for it in the Senate. In 08-10 Obama should have just pushed things through. Hindsights 20-20 though.
iwantyoutothrowmeaway
Y’all motherfuckers need Bernie.
Conser1
Nah, his heart is the right place, some of his policies/rhetoric not so much.
yourmomsucksbigdick
Fuckin A
iAmLordBeer
Bernie gets nominated and we're going to lose a bunch of state legislative and gubernatorial seats right before redistricting in 2020...
FreedomMinister
Personally I'm rooting for that! Lol #KAG
ninjafartball
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
SchrodingersDictator
The problem is half the country is convinced that we’ll turn into 1984 if we get him. The other half are convinced we turn into 1940 Germany
HeDiedInABizarreGardeningAccident
The irony being people that say socialist policies will turn American into 1984 don't realize that George Orwell was an avowed socialist
SchrodingersDictator
If Trump stays. Both sides believe this with their whole everything. There is literally no dialogue possible with many people.
bjorklund
We do not need an octogenarian communist, who just had a heart attack, and who thinks Cuba’s a great place cause they read good, to be Pres.
Sh4dowWalker96
*Socialist, dumbass. Socialism != Communism.
DrIvoRobotnik
he also isn't a socialist
JustSomePersonThere
1) not a communist. 2) athletic and healthy. 3) he never praised Cuba, he said something to the effect of “even THEY have literacy programs”
ActionJohnnie
Still a hundred times better than an orange illiterate.
betterouthere
*well
lundydo
BERNED!
pdubyah
activeracer28
I just hope they let us have the choice to pick him.
BallsackHippo
Don't hope. Fight for Bernie! FIGHT FOR US!
JustSomePersonThere
“Let us have the choice?” That’s victim-talk!! Register with the party so you participate in the primaries!! Then raise hell and promote!”
activeracer28
But I believe in open party. I wanna vote whoever's best choice in any party.
manbewbs
Bernie needs Bernie. He does not practice what he preech.
Bernie3houseSanders
Ayyy
BrophessorX
Unsupported.
StubaSceve
Please, go on
shawn98ag
I think the idea is, he gives very little to charity. If he's so eager to help the poor and downtrodden why doesn't he sell a house or two
shawn98ag
...and start a college endowment fund. Apparently he hates charities. Don't know why. But in my opinion they are better than the government
shawn98ag
...trying to help those in need. And it seem more moral and pure-of-heart to give when you are not forced to (aka taxes).
StubaSceve
Would you trust charities if you spent 78 years in USA, watching corrupt charities take peoples money and not use it for what was intended?
Granac
We need someone like Bernie, but who isn’t a communist. I’m all for helping people but I don’t want a Communist president.
NostalgicBaby
Why do people think like we're in the 60's again? Socialism isn't a synonym to communism for fuck's sakes
JustSomePersonThere
I’m sorry that you have been lied to to the point that you would vote against your own interests.
Getchectfret
I don’t like Bernie. But damn, that was a crazy response.
Getchectfret
Crazy good*
MoreAshyThanLarry
Stop using a word you don't understand.
InvisibleMan86
Not sure what this means. Someone who believes what he believes, but doesn’t have a propagandist title attached? Honest question
Granac
Someone who believes in the free market system that has made America great but isn’t going to gut part of the constitution to help folks out
InvisibleMan86
I get you. I think it’s hard to isolate what made America great, though, and it’s hard to deny that times have changed - as have needs
SoFedUpOfIt
But America is not great. It's a warmongering shit hole that has it's people brainwashed saying stupid shit like "America's great".
Granac
What’s better? Saying America is not great and then tearing it down, or saying it is great, realizing it has flaws and then fixing them?
SoFedUpOfIt
What is one thing besides war and propaganda that America does better then any other first world country?
bippidybopiddyboo
Its unfortunate that half of the United States population is as ignorant as Granac.
PilotIII
It’s unfortunate that half of the United States population is as brain washed as bippidybopiddyboo.
ElvisStarburst
It's unfortunate half the United States has to choose to pay their life saving's forever or literally fucking die. Christ it's ass backwards
AmericanOstrich
Democratic Socialism =/= Communism
Conser1
Socialism inevitably leads to communism. -Karl Marx
HeldCaptiveByJeffGoldblum
Its a step in that direction though
AmericanOstrich
It really isn’t. We already have socialized programs. Roads, libraries, parks, fire departments, police departments, etc, etc.
HeldCaptiveByJeffGoldblum
Yes. Socialized programs, but not an entirely Socialist government where everything is socialized. Plenty of things aren't
AntiProtonBoy
I still don’t understand the mouth breathers that defend the current healthcare system. Their counter argument is “muh taxes!” “communism!”
CoraciasLilac
They don't realize how much better it would be to not worry about copays and deductibles. Even with insurance, going into debt.
AnAnarchoSyndicalistCommune
Its not just that, its the administrative costs, that jack up prices even more
LokiKingOfJotunheim
It's not just the healthcare system though. It's also the price gouging. That's actually part of what he was mentioning.
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PickleMeElmoooo
Unless Congress votes that they have to use the same system as the citizenry, then the plan whatever it is, is unacceptable.
PickleMeElmoooo
And so far, no matter what the Dems propose, they always exclude themselves from it. What does that tell you?
greentights
Bernie is also fighting establishment DNC. They didn't want him in 2016, they don't want him now
greentights
Which I think is enough of a reason to believe in him. He gets no media coverage and the establishment is afraid of him.
PickleMeElmoooo
And you could say almost the same thing about Trump.
Govote
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
breakingcode
10K in health care + 2K in taxes = Good. $500 in health care expenses + 4K in taxes. = "OMIGURD DOUBLES TAXES, WHY U MAKE BABY JESUS CRY!?"
justaddbeer
If only it doubled taxes...
Conser1
Most aren't defending it so much as they're deriding UHC which has its own problems.
Conser1
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/homo-consumericus/201206/don-t-romanticize-the-canadian-healthcare-system
pantslessgamers
There's valid arguements to be made about those who abuser the system... But fuck that a few bad folks worth it over going bankrupt
yoyomaaaaa
I think people don’t understand that healthcare isn’t actually as expensive as they currently pay. If you remove profit gouging itss cheaper
TK421isAFK
lol...I got called a communist today by a Trumpster while I was grilling one of those for-profit signature collector assholes that was 1/2
TK421isAFK
lying about the proposal he was collecting for. He gave a different, highly-biased story to each person, depending on how he viewed them.2/3
TK421isAFK
He whispered to another (very right-wing) person that I was trying to get him banned from collecting signatures to overturn "Gavin 3/4
TK421isAFK
Newsom's AB-5 bill" and repeal "unfair property taxes". He told the guy I was trying to have the police block his constitutional rights 4/5
TK421isAFK
to collect signatures. These people are fucking scum. They say anything to get more signatures, and get paid per signature. 5/5
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
people don't want leeches in the system and that is what they think, i work hard, Joe pot smoker get free insurance kinda of thing I guess
MAGICxMURDERxBAG
"why fix the status quo when we're told it's working well?" is what I assume it boils down to...and fear of drastic change
EmCeeMiNacion
I mean, how else are we going to bail out big companies whilst also securing their CEOs golden parachutes?
INeedOpossums
If only we could convince some people that solid gold parachutes would actually work
stealthjet01
I live with my father still, who told me, "The price of medicine went up cause we keep giving it to the damn immigrants."
teardropivyyearofthetiger
If they took half the money they spend on premiums m, and paid taxes. It would be cheaper
TheAngryMarineBiologist
"Muh taxes! I want to pay more money and get less out of it!"
cutebytes
I don't understand them either. -Canadian
whadupdalg
I’m pretty sure that you breathe through your mouth, too.
MVPHingleMcCringleBerry
Someone was saying yesterday how the quality would go to shit and it would make it worse for the older people
HypnotoadIRL
A detailed argument right there.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
Totally false. You think the insurance companies aren't making it bad for older people now with the prices they set for medicine and care?
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
think of how flooded the doctors and ERs will be with fakers and shit
SpamYarBlockers
They have been convinced government can’t run anything in a trustworthy or efficient way and so private industry must be better
OtterlyMagnificent
Actually, my counter argument is that no matter what variation of Bernie's tax plan I've seen, unless he can somehow talk the billionaires1/
Falanxzealot
Everyone makes this claim, and everyone forgets that no company will seek to lose a whole fucking nation state market just because of spite.
OtterlyMagnificent
They won't dump the market, just use all the tax loopholes they ALREADY use to continue not paying into the tax system.
OtterlyMagnificent
and multimillionaires into building industry in a country that taxes them more than half their wages...we'll wind up with a DRASTIC 2/
OtterlyMagnificent
increase in debt, with very little, if any, benefit to the middle and lower class.3/3
ActionJohnnie
We have that now.
OtterlyMagnificent
So this drastic plan won't actually FIX any of the existing issues.
BullfrogStormcroak
Once you realize that billionaires continue to build industry in every other country that taxes them so, the question becomes moot.
OtterlyMagnificent
But they won't be moving BACK here just because the taxes aren't a whole lot lower. If they weren't here when taxes WERE low, they won't1/
gooberthehat
The US is the largest economy in the world, with the largest number of wealthy citizens. Billionaires will always want to do business there.
OtterlyMagnificent
The US also has an insane amount of tax loopholes for them to slip through.
EmanNiemThcin
That.. that already is your status quo, you're describing the current system.
OtterlyMagnificent
Yes. So there will be no positive change, and more reason NOT to build industry in America. And we're already struggling as it is. It's 1/
pantslessgamers
See most people agree until "very little benefit" we all benefit with a public option and can actually save on early diagnosis
OtterlyMagnificent
It would be nice if the tripled wait-times meant early diagnosis, but unfortunately, it's the opposite. But with this system, it WILL 1/
pantslessgamers
Instead of late term care. And we can destigmatize going to the doctor and be able to afford healthier lifestyles which saves money
Joshypoo
All for a better healthcare system. But can’t get behind the rest of what Bernie stands for.
gooberthehat
Like what?
zoidburgerandfries
Unless you’re an idiot it’s still better to vote for him than the current guy.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
Why
Joshypoo
I have a number of reasons, but I think this one answer will both answer your question, and provide me with a downvote. I’m a Christian.
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Joshypoo
A lot of what he stands for goes against my core values, as a Christian. So sorry?
AgnosticPaladin
Yeah, Jesus famously said: "The poor and sick should go fuck themselves with a pointy stick". Or something like that.
manbewbs
Ok, do you understand 118 million people are on govt healthcare in USA right now. That is 2x+ the entire population of england
storebrandproductmascot
Care that exists under a capitalist system where the government isn't allowed to negotiate drug prices.
manbewbs
This is 37% of all Americans right now under Trump. This is socialism alr already, plz God tell me where you want 37% to grow to? Double it?
KnowsHisOnions
What is your issue with it going to 100% so long as he raises taxes to cover it? Yes, we have more people... but they pay taxes to cover it
greentights
And to cover the rest will likely be a lot cheaper than covering 65+ (sick and old cost the most)
manbewbs
To 74% of all Americans on govt health care?
gooberthehat
A healthy population is a productive population. Capitalists should welcome free public health care.
manbewbs
Is that what you want? Please just get real, we alr ady have socialized healht care by which over 1/3 of our population uses, where dowego?
darkdragonempress
We have socialized healthcare inaccessible to 2/3 of the population. That a ridiculously high number.
popejubal
We go to 100 so that everyone in the country can go to the doctor when it’s needed like every other modernized nation
popejubal
I want it to be 100%. Because Medicare does very well for the people who have it compared to most private US insurances.
manbewbs
Hey look at this. So you are willing to admit USA is already under socialist healthcare and over 1/3 of Trumps citizens have free care?
chri389
Jesus, they're not Trump's citizens. They're American citizens. The country doesn't belong to him and he serves at the pleasure of the
manbewbs
Medicare is for people over 65, only, Medicaid is for poor people, just want to make sure we are on same page
popejubal
Medicare is currently for people 65 and older or who have certain medical conditions. We can change that if we choose.
chancethewrapper79
What level of coverage are those 118 million people? Basic coverages here are comical when compared to any other developed country
manbewbs
I was on that coverage for one year and had a life threatening issue, I paid nothing, never saw one bill
manbewbs
Those are the public figure for Medicaid and Medicare combined.
manbewbs
We have more people on free healxh care than Canada and England combines times two
greentights
But don't we have a much higher gdp than those countries
Falanxzealot
But you do have an armed forces budget equal to the next twenty-plus countries and it's not doing much for global stability
chancethewrapper79
I sure would hope given our population size is more than double those two countries combined. If you meant percentages then that's much dif
samwyze
The only people that like their insurance have never had to use it.
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
use mine, was 20 bucks for ER visit and X-rays, HS drop out working a labor factory job
darkdragonempress
I liked my insurance when I was using a Medicaid plan. Easy phone calls. Put down the name of the doctor and then just go to appointments. 1
darkdragonempress
It pretty much sold me on some form of government run insurance would be awesome. 2
Kilvari
Such truth!
DadNoises
People simply aren’t ready to move toward M4A, they want changes to the current system but they’re not confident with it being fully gov-run
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Chill Bernie bro, there could be pros but some cons and question marks everywhere so let’s slow down before we declare skeptics as stupid
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zFUBARz
They need to get ready real soon because it's only burying you guys more and more.
Justwarlockthings
Correction: *People who don’t understand what m4a is.
DadNoises
Such as Bernie Sanders
Bukkhockey
I agree, our government can't b trusted to run it properly, we need major tort reform, and middle class jobs will be gutted from profit loss
greentights
For every badly run program, we've well run programs. Parks & libraries & SSA are generally solid, DMV is state run slowly improving
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Bukkhockey
I'm guessing by this comment you have no idea what a colossal shit show that is and all the capitalized letters in the world won't help.
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keillrandor
Perhaps if they stopped voting for people who want government to fail, then it might improve...
HypnotoadIRL
All primary polls so far have shown people prefer M4A. Of course those are Democrats but still. People are ready for it.
DadNoises
Not even all democrats are for it
HypnotoadIRL
I didn't say that they were.
Therealyiannopoulos
Seeing how efficient our government is at fucking ruining everything else can you blame them?
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Therealyiannopoulos
Post office, Medicaid, va healthcare.
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DadNoises
Nope, I can’t blame em
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DadNoises
Sorry to hear that
HypnotoadIRL
Not sure many people would argue that their insurance company is great either.
Therealyiannopoulos
Agreed
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
My insurance company is better than what I got at the VA.
HypnotoadIRL
Good thing it isn't VA for all then
DadNoises
A lot of people would argue they prefer to keep their insurance company
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HypnotoadIRL
I really don't understand that. His M4A proposal almost certainly is more robust. No deductables and no co-pays for example.
bonly89
My counter argument is that my medical costs tripled due to the ACA. I don't believe Democrat promises in that arena.
PickledDundersnoot
Amazing what happens to a decent Bill when then opposing party puts so many riders on it, to deliberately make it unpopular, so their...
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...constituents can make the claim you just did.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
Blame the insurance companies who raised prices to undermine ACA.
yourlostcarkey
My Ins went from $170 a month with a $1500 deduct to $750 monthly & $6500 deduct under ACA. ACA sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RxNoob
The insurance companies basically wrote the ACA
greentights
It's romney care. And then gutted further by gop
twozerooz
You mean because Republicans insisted the insurance industry still take their cut?
justaddbeer
Because mouth breather want to know how it will be paid for
Tristanisawesome
People always ask how to pay for health care or NASA but no one asks how to pay for the fuckin military
justaddbeer
60 trill over ten years ?
twozerooz
You Americans already spend more per capita on any given service than most western countries do. Single payer is FAR more efficient.
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justaddbeer
60 trill over 10 years.
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justaddbeer
And I need you to pick one. Open borders or health care for all. Choose carefully.
twozerooz
Less than what Americans currently spend. Oops.
justaddbeer
“American spend” on what? Ever looked at the budget? Ever? Tell me how this works. Oops.
dooremouse
Mouth breather want know how pay? Mouth breather change tune if get sick and insurance no pay. What good paper money if dead?
morethanamouthfull
Clearly u don’t understand of what u speak & just having a knee jerk, emotional reaction instead of having productive discussions.
twozerooz
Ironic.
IdiotSavantTinker
Clearly you don't have a counter argument, and are just having a knee-jerk reaction instead of having a productive discussion.
AntiProtonBoy
Must have struck a nerve with you.
Jopler420
sounds like they know what they are talking about to me. i believe it is you with your head in the sand.
FutureHylian
Are you talking about him or mouth breathers?
morethanamouthfull
The communist, rich old man.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
You have proven your ignorance.
AntiProtonBoy
You just pretty much demonstrated the mindset criticised in the top-level comment.
TheBiggestAsshole
Another person who doesnt understand what they are talking about.
FutureHylian
Are you just saying words at this point? People have names, groups have names... youve yet to name anyone relevant to the topic
PrincessLeliana
God I hope he wins.
Govote
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
ILaughAndCryEveryDayFromU
Thank you go vote. Seen you 10s of times I'm looking into it now
Govote
Made my night! Good luck and keep us posted!
ILaughAndCryEveryDayFromU
Tried the sites and I'm just going around in circles. Also using a mobile phone tho
lauvis
Don't fucking hope! VOTE!
DetectiveSloth
Can't just win the White House. Has to be both houses too, and by a considerable margin.
Iamyourcaptainnow
The f*** world hopes he wins. But ultimately you still got 50% Republicans in the country and they won't suddenly develop reason or morals.
alecdshope
He doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell. He's terrified too many moderates.
MAGICxMURDERxBAG
To loosely quote a certain Primarch from 40K: Now is not the time for hope, only acts of deeds will prevail
MiyagieOne
Nah, lets Vote Trump! I want the funny Memes!
TheVapeCrusader
He most likely won't
GrootGear
He wont and his own party is going make sure he doesn't.
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
Already in the works: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html
Nize426
Don't just hope! Make it happen! YOU can make it happen! Let's do it!
PrincessLeliana
Not american
Herfacewhen
JustRegisteredToLeaveThisComment
I hope he has good bodyguards
PrincessLeliana
If trump has yet to be assassinated bernie will be fine.
ssomed
I fear Bernie as the nominee means 4 more years of Trump :(
RadicalLeftist
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html
justaddbeer
Feel the bern
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
Berned out.
Lethous
Primary yes, general election. I just don’t know. I really hope so, I got a feeling that trump base just won’t back down.
Lethous
However, 2024, provided term limits are a still a thing a dem will win. The gop won’t have anyone to excite the base to actually go vote.
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
Unless he has Congress back him on his reforms, or at least enough of his party, it's irrelevant if he wins or loses.
TigerThong
Moscow Mitch McConnell will fuck us all
captainconvoluted
Pretty sure mitch didn't have his honeymoon in moscow
AntaNce
He could be voted out. Vote. It's important.
eddbrowne
Trump agrees.
svon1
f*cking only true god DEus Sol InVIctus hopes he wins , heck the aliens watching us hopes he wins
gohomebaby
Looking at it logically... he’ll be the nominee and then lose the presidency and the house and give no chance at the senate. yay Bernie!
simpletimberman
I'm going to do everything I can.
BlueAngel3141
Doesn’t matter if dems dont also win the Senate and keep the House. Even then it will be a tough bill to pass
IAmLeela
That's one thing I hate about our system - every time the party in charge changes, they waste time undoing what the other just did.
rollsteelertide
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2020/index.html
RadicalLeftist
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html
rollsteelertide
Great I’ll use the poll numbers you provided to infer the costs of his plans? Lol you are the equivalent of the “librul tears!!” people:
Gamer4125
How much it costs? The things he proposes are things our country NEEDS. Tax me. Let my family go see a doctor without insurance.
rollsteelertide
You are reacting with emotion to a situation that requires pragmatism. Math doesn’t care how much healthcare your family needs. If the
rollsteelertide
Can’t provide a meaningful retort so you try to show poll numbers. Just because I’m against your guy doesn’t mean I’m for the other guy.
RadicalLeftist
https://youtu.be/hYmlzB7AIWM
RadicalLeftist
He released full coatings for everything the other night. Its on his campaign site.
ButternutCrinklefries
Anyone who downvoted this is either misinformed or just has no empathy. Socialism is taking care of your fellow man with little to no...
ButternutCrinklefries
Effect on your regular style of living. If you cant handle eating out one less time a week so your fellow citizens can get properly...
ButternutCrinklefries
Educated and get access to standard health care. You need to seriously rethink your moral principles
FireBottom
I think you need to educate yourself on how socialism actually works.
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YoureJustWrong
Yeah and Trump is the mean one. LOL! Thanks for showing your cards!
LeeroyTheBird
Yeah that’s a good summary of everyone who voted for Trump. You shouldn’t use blanket statements like that, they’re stupid.
A1ekazam
You're a vitamin b shot to a dead body.
WillAWillowEverWalllow
Terrorists? You should be ashamed of yourself. Grow up.
WireHairLongDoggie
And that's why he won. Resentment. Well done.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
He won cause he got ignorant people to believe his bullshit. He said it himself he loves the poorly educated.
FireBottom
He definitely loves you then
imgursmyfirstluv
This rhetoric secures the divide. Many people are concerned about one or two issues and see piss poor options so they stick to one
imgursmyfirstluv
The more people talk like this the more they feel their decision is the best
MrBig
Remember this, when he wins again in November, YOU were the reason why.
A1ekazam
Me? Wow my one comment on the internet caused it. Yup. All me. You're an idiot.
YoureJustWrong
Disgusting logic. You're just being played by the media.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
And you aren't? You just being played by the other side of that same media.
A1ekazam
You're being played by a fucking sociopath. I'll take my chances.
MrBig
You honestly don’t get it and never will. People like you are the worst of all.
A1ekazam
And yet I'm better than you will literally ever be. Pathetic. I fart in your general direction.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
What's he not getting? Curious to know
cowabungajunkie
Depends where you get your news. Just walk around society and don’t stay online all day and you’ll find everyone who likes both parties
cowabungajunkie
Looks exactly the same, and just wants the person that they feel will give them the best government to live under. Even though nothing will
cowabungajunkie
Change of significant matter since the president really can’t change much on their own. And no house/senate will fully back either
FaoySamfs
Most people vote based on how policies will affect their lives, like if a policy change will have repercussions on their livelihood.
falconfluffer5772
What i hate most about imgur, is people are mass downvoting you right now. When this is just fact
Iamyourcaptainnow
Not outside the US. I travel half the year and 95% of the people I talk to think Trump is nuts. The other 5% "heard" he keeps the economy up
WillAWillowEverWalllow
He won’t and if he does it will be horrible. You should look up how many people have directly died under socialism and communism.
Falanxzealot
Did you just conflate socialism and communism? Have you ever heard of Portugal and New Zealand? That's an awful, plain wrong argument.
Falanxzealot
I'll take that as a yes, you don't know the difference, or care.
WillAWillowEverWalllow
How’s Venezuela doing? Or North Korea? How about Cuba? You and I both know that the difference between socialism and communism is slight. 1/
WillAWillowEverWalllow
or maybe you don’t? At any rate, Marxist ideology is at the core of both, which is an ideology based on literal theft and class resentment |
Falanxzealot
You'll have to ask them how they were doing before the billions is US embargoes. Oh, forgot about that bit? Cuba? You might want to look
Gamer4125
Even if what you said were true, it's still better than every other candidate.
WillAWillowEverWalllow
Um it is true, look it up. I can’t believe people don’t know this. Trump is a way better candidate and he will probably win.
Gamer4125
Trump has done nothing worthwhile.
WillAWillowEverWalllow
Well there are literally zero gulags so there’s that.
Falanxzealot
No, it's. Actual socialism - not the socialism right wing US economists write books about - has only occured in a handful of countries
WillAWillowEverWalllow
Literally every time someone rightfully criticizes socialism, you people ALWAYS say “that’s not actual socialism”. Grow up.
sirdraco1
Vote
FooBear408
Vote or die.
Eight77
Get out and fucking vote!
SlamdogKillionaire
Vote or die muthafucka vote or die.
ninjafartball
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
Wayfleh
I’m 15
TheVapeCrusader
Why? Popular vote means fuck all
Ribblets
Get out there and vote regardless, dude.
TheVapeCrusader
I have no reason to. I don't get paid to do it in my state
ArtfullySane
Who the fuck gets paid to do it? Is that a thing in any state? I mean it should be. But still.
survivorofdetroit
Unless you live in a purple state.
TheVapeCrusader
No. Popular vote is always meaningless in a Presidential election
ArtfullySane
Fucking vote anyway. Jesus it's not that hard.
TheVapeCrusader
Waste of time. It's meaningless. I don't get paid to do it in my state
ArtfullySane
"My vOtE dOeSnT mAtTer" - 65 percent of American electorate.
Jackofslayers
Hope but also please vote and convince others to do so
PrincessLeliana
Not american
Jackofslayers
Well then thanks for the hope. We got this right?
meloncanister
i don't want a recession.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
You will get one if Trump stays.
meloncanister
i'll get one regardless.
Falanxzealot
Just so you know, in the UK the *only* recessions we've had have come through *right wing* policies. Every fucking one of them. Think on
meloncanister
thats cuz you dumbo
bjorklund
You hope an octogenarian communist, who recently had a heart attack, and who wants to destroy the American economy, wins? You’re nuts.
EmperorWiggles
Octogenarian? You almost had me but he's 78.
TheBiggestAsshole
Spoken like someone who truly has no idea what they are talking about.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
So instead you want a orange egomaniac who is a clear racist and only acts in his own self interest. I would say you're nuts. Vote Sanders
Viceroy420
Sure, what we got ain't workin.
PrincessLeliana
everyone i disagree with is communist/nazi!!!!!111
herbygerms
Someone else has been shrieking Nazi for years. The communist remark is just a jump from a socialist openly favorable to communist leaders.
bjorklund
Has nothing to do with whether I agree or not and everything to do with his words and actions over the last ~40 years. He’s a communist.
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
Socialist. And America already has many socialist programs. And guess what? Country is still here. You act like he's Stalin.
Lexgeddon
*socialist
Giantmutantcrab
Because a 70-year old man-baby who cuts taxes for himself and the ultra-rich is a solid choice? Have you even been paying attention?
ProNastyNate
Fuck socialism
takingupspace
Do you pay in the event you need to call the fire department? Do your kids go to a private school?
ProNastyNate
No but I personally do civil duties and people don’t pay a dime out of their pocket because of the fed govt so..
Gamer4125
Why? Do you hate your fellow man? Do you have no empathy for the poor who cannot be treated medically?
ProNastyNate
I treat people with medical care free with my job. All federally paid for paid for by the govt
qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyujmkiol
Good thing nobody is trying to go full socialism then.
FireBottom
They are trying to go full retard though...
qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyujmkiol
The good old "I didn't have an argument so I result to insult" line. Nicely done. So unexpected.
TheBiggestAsshole
I'm not so sure that was meant as an insult to you. It seemed like they were agreeing with you....
CaffeineManic
If he wins, he'll face a GOP controlled Senate whose sole purposes for existence will be to make him fail. The question not being asked…
friendsofsandwiches
MITCH is up for reelection, and he's going up against a military woman who's calling him on his shit.
CaffeineManic
That race is VERY close, & GOP has voter suppression laws in Kentucky likely to push the vote 1 or 2% in GOP favor. FIGHT to vote!
friendsofsandwiches
unfortunately I'm not in kentucky. I'm sure Mitch will just ride the burbon vote to victory yet again.
CaffeineManic
Mitch brought almost a billion dollars of pork barrel money to Kentucky in December 2019, so that bought a few votes.
CaffeineManic
Even though you don't live in Kentucky, you could donate money to Amy McGrath. Defeating Mitch may be more important than local politics....
CaffeineManic
…in the debates is: "If you win, how will you overcome GOP sabotage of all your great ideas?" I want to hear that answered by all candidates
TheMadOnion
I'd rather have a Democratic president and a democratic house, then just a Democrat house. We can only hope we gain control of Senate
zFUBARz
I think you're asking the wrong people here, Ask the people continually voting obstructionist partisans into office why they like that?
PissedoffParamedic
Assuming the Reds hold onto the Senate, that is.
DarkZalgo
I mean Obama still dragged us out of a recession with the GOP trying to block his every move.
Perkunas687
Obama had a Dem Congress for two years. GOP started to obstruct after people didn't show up in 2010 midterms.
bjorklund
Obama oversaw the slowest recovery in American history and it had nothing to do with who sat in congress.
ChicagoStyleDotHog
False.
DetectiveFrankDrebin
Obama oversaw the recovery from one of the worst economic recessions the US has seen
chugeknight
The entire Dem establishment is trying to make him fail and then the GOP and Conservatives will try too. It’s a fight all the way through
UglyHorribleGrouchyOldMan
Then you'll love this: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html
Forgotmyoldaccountbutohwell
This is probably his best chance so far though. Just remember to ensure everybody you know votes.
NightfallEverdark
Honestly, both of them railing against him does nothing but help him. The DNC has been seen to be out of touch with its voters 1/2
NightfallEverdark
While the GOP cannot do anything without the stigma of Trump (for better or worse) upon their actions.
StanAgde
I have never donated any $ to any candidate. In 2016, donated to sanders
BaronSpaghetti
Not to mention the “liberal” media. It’s corporatism with a blue paint job.
shawnemack
Nothing good to get happened without a fight and this is worth fighting for
zFUBARz
Eh, Canada just kinda politely implied it would enjoy it's freedom. But it is our way.
NostalgicBaby
I think Canada is the only country in America that got its Independence without fucking killing someone
zFUBARz
?
dduncan55330
He seems like the only one that says the whole system is fucked
CommanderRy
Once he gets the nomination the DNC will have to genuinely back him or face annihilation, once in office tho it will be a fight
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
I've heard rumors of backdoor talks of running two Dem candidates this year. I hope they're false.
shawnemack
If he gets the nomination and every democrat doesn’t back him, they deserve to lose
economyinthis
Honestly the way they treat him now, SMH. Them and the media. But Trump was a joke... Now what
Sharkmanx
The DNC is prepared to destroy themselves to prevent his nomination
aTallIrishman
Sounds like a win-win
StarmineRendezvous
They pocket too much money to let him through really. Even if they lose power politically, and have to sack a hundred scapegoats...
rollsteelertide
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/24/politics/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2020/index.html
BrazilianThunderPanda
It is heartening to see his grassroots support building momentum that cannot be dismissed and helping people see the media bias.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
If only someone could help you berniebros see your bias.
Istheusernamesupposedtobecatchy
Not American, but from what I can see, his intents seem very reasonable. What do you think is wrong with Bernie?
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
His intents are more extreme than even a lot of European countries, and this is conservative US.But his fanboys are the worst part probably.
BrazilianThunderPanda
I’m a middle-aged, ethnic, woman making over $150K a year. But I’m a BernieBro.
AmazinglyCoolNameHere
So Bernie isn’t your pick?
Lanhdanan
I'm Canadian and I'M hoping he wins!
Perkunas687
Most of my fav candidates are out, so as an American I'm leaning Warren. If Sanders wins nom, I will hope he wins the Presidency, but 1/
Perkunas687
at the same time, I hope he does not win the nomination. Two articles came out this week breaking down the data on polls. It showed that 2/
Perkunas687
Sanders would have to turn out the youth vote to a greater degree than Obama turned out the black vote, in order to *just break even* 3/
Perkunas687
with his fellow candidates vs. Trump because of the number of moderate voters who won't vote for him. That was Vox, not exactly right 4/
CirB
I'm a Finn and hoping he wins. Even if he's a bit too centrist to my taste.
kevinkevinkevinkevin56785772
I’m american and if he doesn’t win I might just become canadian lol
WarbringerDoom
NoOneKnowsImLying
You can marry me for your citizenship. If that's even a thing... I've never actually looked into it.
NotSchmidt
Careful, dont trust this person.
NoOneKnowsImLying
That's fair.
ElbowDeep
I will legit marry a hairy lumberjack for Canadian citizenship if Bernie doesn't win
NoOneKnowsImLying
You gotta buy me a ring though.
woodchucc3211
I’m from the USA and I hope he does not win
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
I'm from the USA and I hope everyday he wins.
webgambit
That's cool. We all have our own opinions and priorities.
Giantmutantcrab
Why not? Accessible healthcare and education are solid concepts for a healthy, educated population.
woodchucc3211
Oh it’s that simple? Cool, I changed my mind, thanks!
TimbitsAreDonutHoles
I mean he did ask you why not, and you answered in bad faith.
FreedomMinister
I'm a republican and I hope he wins the nomination because he will lose the election.
axtr77
Who downvotes this?
idneverthoughtidmakeanaccount
I'm from far flung Indonesia and I'm hoping he wins.
PrincessLeliana
I'm english and hoping he wins lol
andcon23
I’m Scottish and hoping he wins our countries finally agree on something lol
TheCapedCommentator
I'm from Austria and I hope he wins
Dyslexicbirch
I'm aussie im hoping he wins
Giantmutantcrab
I'm confused as to why people hoping Sanders wins the Democratic nomination are getting downvoted. What's wrong with that?
Dyslexicbirch
Because there's a lot of people on here who think Sanders and healthcare are evil
Omnimorph2112
I mean anything is better than the moron they currently have
BenSnow97
dunno, have you heard of Bloomberg?
CrossFittedChrist
Cant fucking get away from the guy lately
NickMan125
I'm Australian and I hope he wins
TheVapeCrusader
Then you're a fool who shouldn't be sticking his nose in US politics. Get off Imgur sometime and see all perspectives sometime
TheEmperorsTrueChampion
I've seen the other perspectives. So I'll vote Sanders.
yesyoucancancan
I think the whole world is hoping he wins.
BeefRulez847
I know a few pharmaceutically backed senators who wouldn’t like him to win and by a few I mean many
woodchucc3211
Not even the majority of US citizens want him to win. Also wow on the foreign interference from the imgur crowd, posting propaganda
yesyoucancancan
*cough* Ukraine *cough* Russia
woodchucc3211
Exactly
pcam123
Its like watching your best friend losing his job and becoming homeless. Bernie and Warren would be formidable. Just an Australian opinion
WarbringerDoom
I feel to beat Trump she needs to be his VP.
Callmebirdy
I disagree, i dont think they would stand a chance together. He would need a young moderate beside him. Besides we need her in the Senate...
pcam123
Hopefully both can contribute some of their ideas to make things better
Callmebirdy
To pass bills for him to sign as president.
mythology333
When my mom was fighting cancer, every time she hot home from chemo or surgery she'd have to jump on the phone to stop the insurance company
notausername123
2M people in the health insurance industry are estimated to lose their jobs, but hey they got free health insurance right, no need for $$$
bustyalexa
It stressed my sister out so much. Maybe she could have beat it if she didn’t have to keep working and fighting insurance.
scojbo
This. From what i've read on the topic, it appears financial stress significantly decreases chance of recovery beyond even lacking payments
IamforgettingallmyJokes
Sorry for you mate..its sad
ninjafartball
You can check your voter registration at vote.org
BellerophonM
I'm honestly wondering if a new job is going to develop: healthcare company liason, who fights the company for you.
overcookedchickennugget
This is straight up evil.
Eldis
How the fuck is this legal? How can any of this be legal in any manner? What the fuck is wrong with the US?
CheetoDustedMalcontent
The economy comes first in America. When you are worth more dead then alive it's over for you here
Jonnymarre
Unchecked greed.
biscuitsngravybelly
Greed. Obscene profits off the median wage and lower middle class is easy
dogsarebetterthanhuman
Do you have about 200 years to hear the story?
cjandstuff
The people who pass these laws are bribed/lobbied a lot of money to do so. and THEY have tax payer funded "free" healthcare for life.
SirTomcatTheObstreperous
cercle
Thank you for this. Got more?
whatpassesforclever
I want to move to wherever it is you are.
TheDrunkenHuntsman
Lobbyists. They buy votes for companies and the companies get to do what they want. Lobbyists should be outlawed
ThrowMamaFromTheTrain
Here's this stupid shit again. Lobbying is how your reps know what is important. You going to outlaw all lobbying? That's a bad move.
truthsmiles
The problem is the common man or woman doesn’t have the resources to launch a longing campaign, so very very few ever do.
DrewtanggaurdiumLeviosa
How about just paid lobbying? Or maybe reps could ask the constituents directly?
Swedishbouldering
If they don't know what important for the people without lobbyists then they don't deserve to be in office.
Angrar
Latent McCarthyist programming. Corporate owned right wing media.
GeneralBuzzkil
The fact that if people tried to force change themselves (i.e. civil war) our goverment would have the military turn us into human tartare.
Eldis
Do you really think your military would comply an order to start massacring US citizens?
GeneralBuzzkil
Yes. Maybe not all troops would at first, but mob mentality is a hell of a thing. And thats assuming they dont just drone strike the areas.
DarthTasty
as a former soldier, no we wouldn't follow that order, the people is where we come from. more likely the soldiers would join the people 1/2
DarthTasty
against the government. 2/2
scojbo
almost certainly, given the anarchists are what they would describe as: armed and dangerous terrorists
DarthTasty
as a former soldier, no we would not follow that order, even as enlisted men if we feel an order is unethical we don't have to follow it 1/2
DarthTasty
we may get "in trouble" for that decision, but that's a lot less worse then the former 2/2
Sp0ngeWorthy
Profiting isn't illegal. In fact, it's all some people care about. They certainly don't empathetically connect with other people. Sociopaths
scojbo
Eh, a surprising number of them arent even sociopaths. We've got a system that exonerates the rich for extorting the poor.
scojbo
Even regular people are swayed by the path of least resistance when the system expects and rewards corrupt behavior.
digitalwhisper11
If you think it's just America, you're mistaken. I went on l.t.d. and the in. co. used unconscionable tactics including trying to
Eldis
Insurance companies are a scam everywhere, yeah, but nowhere else the shit described flies due to better justice systems.
Eldis
At least to this degree.
digitalwhisper11
feaydulentky cancel my Policy, the asking me to re-sign for update/ continuation of benefits, with a little clause slipped in that I also
digitalwhisper11
(* fraudulently - not wtf that word was)
digitalwhisper11
was agreeing to revoke my rights under any law - which is not only illegal, but just plain bastardly. My lawyers presented the "contact" in
digitalwhisper11
their professional circles, and everyone was astounded. No merit to me signing, so I politely told the ins. co. to duck off. They kept
Smacketywack
It’s run by rich psychopaths who only care about money and power. And they’ve fooled rural bumpkins into thinking immigrants and “commies”
Smacketywack
are the real enemy.
ivythearchive
My mom stopped treatments because she knew she was only delaying the inevitable and didn't want to leave even more medical debt for us
HCdamaan58
Wow, sorry to hear... that’s heartbreaking
HarbourMistress
A strong, beautiful woman who made a decision she shouldn't have had to make. Very sad.
amagiciannamedgob
BEYOND FUCKED. I'm so sorry, friend.
Hypnoticcow
My dad had considered taking a $30,000 loan so he could make it through one more round
Thothshai
A dead person’s medical debt is not transferable.
ivythearchive
It was on my dad and because I was his caregiver we still were responsible for the bills
disagreeable
I’m so sorry, man. That hurts my heart to read. I hope you and your family are okay
ivythearchive
Thank you. It's been 15 years since she passed and it was after my 19th bday so none of us were minors anymore.
ivythearchive
It's why I get so heated about the medical system and my only debt is medical bills and student loans. I hope Bernie gets the nomination.
disagreeable
Me too, man. As a Canadian it really pains me to see how the American system hurts so many people. It’s just not right.
Dionysus187
If anyone came to me about a family members debt I'd laugh in their fucking face.
BarbedWireCatheter
I’d actually like to see that. That’s some heavy metal shit right there, if you really did bona fide laugh
Dionysus187
In person I absolutely would, phone or email or some shit I'd just ignore them outright.
KWJester49
Yeah, unless you’re the spouse or parent of a minor you’re not liable, but a collection agencies often will try and bully people into it 1/2
KWJester49
And imply they are. 2/2
lumosknox
I don’t mean to “like” this post. It breaks my heart. If there was a hug button, I’d rather push that.
Insomnia297
It's not a "like" button, those are on FB. We have upvotes here. It means "I think this is important and others should see it".
lumosknox
It’s the same thought that has run threw my mind with all of the medical stuff I’m dealing with. Hate that it affects my family.
nodyourhead
mythology333
From canceling her insurance. They would send little things like, if you dont contact us to confirm in x days we will drop your plan. And-
mythology333
It always seemed to come around the times she had operations.
Ihatedecidingonausername
But why though? What's the whole story? I want to learn. Something other than "insurance did bad thing". Give us context to know the problem
mythology333
Ok. My mom dying and needing a lot of procedures was expensive and inconvenient for them so the business wanted to cut their losses.
erincpotterart
My insurance always seems to have some issue right after I’ve had surgery. Like clockwork. Suddenly I don’t have all my documents in...
Herfacewhen
I'm so sorry. Rude af to say the least.
hypogi
Profits over people. Every time.
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
I went in for a one night hospital stay after a surgery. I called to get put on a finance plan because my out of pocket was over $5,000. 1/
isaypoopythingabecausemostofyouannoyme
The lady I was dealing with paused for a minute then said “ha, wow I’m sorry, I thought this amount was before insurance and got confused.”
PickledOpinions
Scum
OneBoredS2Mook
That really seems worthy of a complaint to whatever the regulatory body was in your state. There is no federal body unfortunately but 1/2
OneBoredS2Mook
I'd be pretty surprised if that type of shenanigans wasn't thunderously illegal in some manner. 2/2
WhatsYourStoryHomie
.
bayardthebloodhound
That's horrible
fiierturret
Almost like the point of a private healthcare provider is to make a profit, not care for its participants.
eraevous
Is there a database or site where accounts are like this are lined up against what insurance they had? I'd like to avoid the shit ones pls.
Lashiel87
That's impossible, they are all blood sucking parasites who feed off of suffering and death. Might as well ask which is better
Lashiel87
A leech or a flea?
nerdtypething
they are all shit, despite what ol’ mayor pete wants you to think.
TheTimesTheyAreAChangin
? Fuck Republicans!
Lashiel87
Don't fall to the division they want. It's not "Republicans", or "Democrats" it is the entirety of the status quo that is flawed and broken
IGuessThisWillHaveToDo
Also, attack ideas, not people. Saying "Fuck Republicans!" makes you sound hateful and ignorant. Saying "Fuck people that hike up...
IGuessThisWillHaveToDo
Pharmaceutical costs!" A lot more people can get behind that. Same goes for people that say" Fuck Dems! "
mycatToastwasafatasshole
Insurance does all it can to not pay for anything, only take your money.
LionFromTheNorth
The first home insurance provider redefined a year to get out of paying when the guy's house burned down.
yeahiheardaboutpluto
Won't someone PLEASE think of the shareholders!?
DingDangPong
This comment is sarcastic for those uninitiated.
LikeTotallyNotTheNSA
Chris Rock had a bit about calling it "in case shit happens" I think it was from Bigger Blacker
Primusautobot5
I hate this
ishouldprobablybeplayingpokemonATM
vote
breakingcode
the please vote
LeJoop
Hopefully there will be someone to vote for, who will fight that fight
Justwarlockthings
That’s fucking barbaric.
DubhIainn
That's *freedom*
QuincyJazz
Nothing new though. The harassment might be illegal, but are you going to hire a lawyer for $50k?
catholiccolor117
I know someone who will do it for 500$ -3000$
DeWanewithIfiniteLazers
You misspelled Diabolic
HavUSeenMyBaseball
One dickhead doesn't agree with you and downvoted you. It's insane. Why do people think this is ok?
HatinS8N
Yet Americans are the ones who vote republicans in. So yeah. Get what you vote for
maxwilder
That’s capitalism.
thelonesurvivorsactofvalor
*USAs take on capitalism
saintbarnz
*crony capitalism
Eldis
Oligarchy. Capitalism worked until Reaganomics removed your progressive taxation model and made it a cleptocracy.
breakingcode
That's by design. Insurance companies focus "Once we stop making profit off of someone how can we void their policy." >>
ArdentSlacker
Also why there's a real problem with genetic anything right now, because if the company shares with your insurance...
uplock
And now with predictive analytics they don't have to wait.....
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
This is why I abuse my government clearance to have all of my medical records classified and my age, sex, and race blacked out.
breakingcode
Politicians have idiots convinced that "having a choice of insurance providers" is somehow related to your health care, which it isn't.