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An Ultra-Orthodox man stabbed 6 people at a gay pride parade in Jerusalem 3 days ago.
He was released from prison about a month ago
after serving 10 years
for stabbing 3 paople
at a gay pride parade in Jerusalem.
I'm reposting (my own album) because one of his victims died today. She was 16.
luchie24
The blood on the knife in the second picture is so disturbing! How horrible
KaiCorben
Lovely sarcasm. At least they didn't censor the heck out of it like pansy news outlets usually do.
vickivalencourt
I'm honestly a little let down that so many people seem to be ignoring him or running away rather than trying to bring him down.
FullyNukaNova
I get what you mean, but if a nutcase was near me stabbing people left and right I'd want to run. Wouldn't you?
vickivalencourt
I honestly can't say because I've never been in that situation, but I'd like to think I wouldn't want ANYONE getting stabbed, not just me.
ImYourJiminyCricket
This happens when the life of a human being is not your highest value. When you think your religion, be it Judaism, Islam or Christianity...
ImYourJiminyCricket
... allows you to kill someone else because he is different than you. The biggest problem of the world, as for now: the order of the values.
FayaStarta
His reaction was "I do not accept Israeli law. the court of law doesn't follow Tora law and is a part of the mechanism of evil" shame on us
TheSlowCheetah
If you don't want to follow Israeli law, gtfo
Nadodan
Wouldn't Tora law just be ancient Israeli law? You know which changed over thousands of years with the progression of society.
FayaStarta
Religion is not a progressive thing that's why most Middle East looks they way it does it's only "bendable" when some rabbi needs it to
VladimirIlyichLenin
Well, not really. Torah law was the law of the land 3000 years ago, however Israeli law resembles western law much more than Torah law
lillybsack
Basically saying the quote from the bible/torah 'not lying with a man" blah blah is what he follows. Its the same BS extreme christians use.
GodEmperorOfImgur
According to ultra-orthodox Jews? No. The law is immutable, he is refering to the 613 Moses laws, and does not acknowledge any changes 1/2
GodEmperorOfImgur
nor any secular laws. 2/2
frankiess
All rants aside, a moment's silence for the one victim. And a speedy recovery for the rest. This is sickening. Could we not, in 2015?
MMAgCh
We can and we will as long as people continue to be raised into systems of belief that provide the justification for acts like this one.
frankiess
Religion - when a perfectly sane person has a reason to commit horrible acts of cruelty. Funny how god do dat.
KapnKershaw
How about a moment of silence for the SIX victims?
DoubleStuf
I think they meant the one fatality.
RedStarBeograd
I usually respond to a comment with that word with a "Yes?", but not this time, ain't nothing to joke about in this post.
yakirci
As an israeli dude, this is horrible i hate fanatics
KAG25
hopefully they don't let him out now
getadogupya
Sounds like he should have been somewhere getting treatment, until he wasn't a total nutcase. Maybe this time?
IWillShutUpNow
This time it's murder
KaiCorben
I read that in usual movie trailer voice. Then, I lol'd. (as if the previous stabbings weren't bad enough.)
DVSBSTrD
You'd think Israel of all places would have harsher sentencing for hate crimes.
justasomeone
well if he had been arab they would have bombed the fuck out of Gaza, they are pretty strict just not on their own.
PeaceWalker47
Agreed. Now, their settlers in the West Bank are going around lighting Palestinian homes on fire. The government condemns it, but that's all
KAG25
No kidding, and people had time to film him instead of stop him
justasomeone
straight up! "oh wow i hope i can get this on twitter first!!"
StonesOnTheHill
Kinda scary that even in such a turbulent area, it takes so long to realize that something very dangerous is happening around you.
accidentaltypo
Push the whole "Hamas is an illegitimate threat thing" in their international propaganda; which is BS. 2/2
TheManWhoSteppedIntoYesterday
As someone who has had to run for cover from incoming rockets, u need to stop talking. Despite ongoing threats we try to go onwith our lives
ShakePlays
My example is the Aurora shootings, a friend of a friend was in there. And I was told stories of how it took nearly 10s for some to realize.
accidentaltypo
Or ... Or the Israelis aren't a terrorised community like they make themselves out to be Credit to their defense system, but they DO 1/2
greenduck1928
God when we are we going to get to the "live and let live" part of life?
Ewokwithastickgif
Unfortunately, "God" (whatever god people choose, that is) seems to be a big part of why "live and let live" doesn't happen.
BritainsNuttiestGuy
The problem is, he's refining his method. He doubled his kill streak despite not practising IRL in 10 years. That's worrying
MoreOfTheSame
Victim Shira Banky, 16. RIP. http://imgur.com/qJFh3AO
Newjerseysuccesstory
Holy shit she looks just like my friend. This is so, so sad
AreYouAwareThatYouAreACat
Rest In Peace kid.
LarfleezePlz
What a shame a young person full of compassion murdered by a close minded prick. RIP
doctorlawyer
jesus fucking christ why can't people just be decent to one another
IcathianSurprise
too bad for her, religion is a thing
galspanic
Is that the girl in green?
MoreOfTheSame
No. Shira was the first to be stabbed so her attack was not captured. Maybe someone took photos by accident and it will surface sometime
galspanic
Thanks :(
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tantelien
Holy shit
nightexcessive
The look on that paramedic's face in the first picture. :(
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GavinScreaming
fuck everything
astropapi1
Poor girl. :c
killer10347
Damn... Has the trial for this happened yet?
MoreOfTheSame
Came to the pride parade in support of a gay friend from school
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
Died a martyr for her beliefs, sadly.
MoreOfTheSame
I don't know if I'm feeling comfortable with the use of "Martyrdom" in that context. Here in the Mid east we use this usually for some 1/2
MoreOfTheSame
bearded dude who is going to kill as many people as he can without plans coming back alive. 2/2
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
Historically, it has a positive connotation of being willing to dying for your beliefs, which she did--and that's why I said it.
thisheretexasdude
How is that being a martyr? Victim/innocent bystander, yes. But martyr?
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
She stood up for what she believed in a place with a history of stabbings for holding those beliefs, and died because of those beliefs. 1/2
HmmICantThinkOfACleverUsernameRightNow
2/2 I'll agree it's a little iffy, though, since she may or may not have been willing to die for those beliefs if she'd been a given choice
criticallyacclaimedfuckwad
You're right. Martyrdom is when you "willingly" suffer for a belief. She didn't "willingly" allow herself to be stabbed. Still a sad thing.
doodlemyster
Exactly. But yes, still sad.
Tochko
There was no reason to downvote you. I mean honest question, right?
doodlemyster
Similar to the reason she got stabbed. He didn't agree with what she was there for so he stabbed/down voted her :(
jchoj
because she technically died for her belief in love. If she was stabbed just standing around doing nothing she would be a bystander
thisheretexasdude
A lot of people die believing in many things, tragically, too, but that still doesn't necessarily make them martyrs
SukhoiSuperjet
He is a terrorist. Put him in a cell with some Hamas blokes. I'll bet he'll have fun.
jrntn
They should broadcast it on payperview. "The JEWINATOR versus the Hamas Brothas, cage match to the death!"
ninjaplz85
"Two shall enter, none shall leave."
DontusetheMword
Did he seriously just buy that knife and start stabbing people through the packaging?
Racealistic
Seems like it. It appears the label is still hanging from the knife wtf man people lose sleep after seeing this shit. Fuck this guy.
DontusetheMword
Fuck him with his own knife
TheStealthHippopotamus
you know how hard it is to get that damn packaging off!
CRF250Xking
Dam you +1
DontusetheMword
Too hard was the answer for that guy
someonepointzero
is #5 dead? i mean shit that is spot on and deep
MihajloMilenkovic
The knife is fucking huge, and it went in deep. Id be surprised if he didnt sever an artery and the respiratory tract.
hardytardigrade
#4 is the same picture. You can see the whole knife, so he didn't get her.
awkwardgirl85
That was my very thought :(
BurtMacklinYouSOB
Idk how everyone just stands around in these pics. Grab him by the arms and tackle him!
echonite
It was likely happening very quickly for them to react. How many times have you IMMEDIATLY reacted to crazy things? Probably almost never.
WeAreAllStoriesInTheEnd
She matches the description of Shira Banki, the 16 year old who died.
cinsoniTe
What description? And that is an older woman anyway. How can she be looking like a 16 yo?
NoSkellingtons
Shira's doesn't appear to be cropped.
Pigdogcow
No.
BrightStarEm
That's what I'm thinking. That wound looks pretty bad
ZobmieRules
Except he (luckily) missed!
BrightStarEm
It's nearly unbelievable. *shutter*
ImYourJiminyCricket
No. He missed it. Both girls saw later the pics and could not believe their luck. He was so close to them.
BaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaNaBATMAN
Source?
ImYourJiminyCricket
It was all over the TV here in Israel. They gave an interview the next day. I cannot find a source (in English) at the moment...
insilico
I'm confused by your comment. Missed what? Just 'close' to them? The knife appears to be deep within her back in that picture.
ImYourJiminyCricket
The blade is difficult to see, but it's not in the girl's back.
whycellothere
You can see the tip of the knife sort of below the print on her shirt (not within her person).
insilico
Ahh yes, I see the illusion now. Thanks for the clarification, it looked pretty disturbing..
wabewalker
It's not. It's hovering just over her back. The blade looks small/missing due to foreshortening.
jprrrrr
I feel like posting the picture of the moment he killed someone might be crossing some kind of line here...
usuallyjustalazylurker
Fundamentalists are always douche bags, no matter the religion.
BlackBoltConstipated
Or, he's a psychopath who happens to be a Jew.
KleptoKea
Thank you
Drinkyourkoolaid
He's a human who has been warped by a specific version of a belief system that tells him this is the thing to do. Do not dehumanize his (1)
Drinkyourkoolaid
Actions by writing them off as those of a psychopath. The Taliban is not an army of psychopaths, neither were the Nazis, neither is this(2)
SomebodyStoleMyCarRadio
I don't think anyone is claiming he's crazy because he's Jewish... O.o
ItsCaptain0bvious
Yes, a psychopath, just like Anders Breivik, the Crusader. The general rule is: muslim->terrorist, christian/jewish->isolated mental issue.
NothingRhymesWithClockworkOrange
Thanks Captain Obvious.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Who couldn't possibly have gotten that idea from the Bible because killing gays is so intuitive. Right guys? Right?
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
Nope he's a Hasidic Jew, they're all psychopaths. I bet you wouldn't say the same thing if this was a Muslim.
android1800
Spot on, spot on.
Flyith2
We should have listened to Hitler, but nooooooo
Moocat
I know you must be joking... But seriously, dude?
MADAMIAMADAM
Just like Jack the Ripper and Robert Durst. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4299972/
tarataqa
a psychojew or a jewchopath?
KlausKinski
this goes often hand in hand
Drinkyourkoolaid
health issues. It's scary, but true. Humans are weak, and we choose to do things like this sometimes because we are told it it right (4)
puptopus
... well... uh... that just made me rethink my life @_@
AerifiedVallah
all ultraorthodox jews are psychopaths
JumpTheCheeseburger
As someone who was raised Jewish, 100% agreed.
Snarkoleptic
Psychopaths wouldn't do anything near as stupid and near-sighted as this. This is someone overwhelmed by feelings, not lacking them
Schmidneycrosby
Agent Gideon? Is that you?
AskingTheRealQuestions
Psychopaths are cold, calculated and rational. This man is a delusional, religious, emotion-driven mess.
Drinkyourkoolaid
man. He is a human, and human's are flawed and can so easily be lead into truly believing things like this without any form of mental (3)
IAmHaunteR
Uhhhhhh no? Judaism is the motive he's using to commit these crimes...
StarrryNight
Are ISIS psychopaths who happen to be Muslims?
Kendo2710
Exactly.
CitizenDickbag
How is he any different than a Wahibist who straps explosives to himself to suicide bomb a cafe? Religious fanaticism exists, too.
Puutep
That's not even following scripture. You're supposed to use rocks.
chocbuttons
Yeah but that's the nature of religion...just gonna change a bit here and there to suit me. CBA with stones.
AskingTheRealQuestions
"You were supposed to use rocks you dumbass! It literally says rocks right there, I couldn't make myself any clearer!" - God, probably
Grieger
And, if it were me with the camera...I'd have dropped it and gone after the guy...
MeganMeow
Why the hell is he so stabby?
nollataulu
Because he thinks homosexuality is harmful but can't see the irony in his own actions? Just a wild guess.
nollataulu
Or he's mentally ill. Another wild guess.
DrTobogganMantisToboggan
Idk why but this comment speaks to me
MeganMeow
http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv1tfqakSU1qehubao1_r1_500.jpg
eatmyass121
ahahahhaah
Imroy
Religion
ColoneISanders
http://theinfosphere.org/images/1/11/Roberto.jpg
FreeRefillWithPurchase
Who's ro-boy-toe?
chezwick2413
he's a robot
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Gun control?
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
Scum, uh, finds a way https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverhampton_machete_attack
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
Only injuries from what I read
ThatsMySecretCapImAlwaysHorny
So was this guy until he levelled up for his second try.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
I still think a gun would've resulted in many more casualties..
themadprofessor
He's a past incarnation of Roberto. Ha-HAAAAA!!!
JumpTheCheeseburger
Orthodox Jews are no different than any other religious extremists. They hate everyone else not like them including gay people.
IronMannequinMrkXXI
I can't believe I thought this, but people like this would make good Dalek's.
KirchoffsVoltageLaw
So.... Did Hitler hate these people also?
kmikl
I love that the fact that he was a religious zealot is being heavily played-down: Had he been a Muslim? Shot dead, on the spot.
FriendAim
He's probably gay and wants to prove to god that he's really extra not gay I swear. Especially after just spending 10 years in prison.
flyingcanoe
I hope they put him in with the biggest, baddest gay inmate for his next trip to prison.
dangolo
His pastor was member of the orthodoxy named Dr. Samuel Lebens. He seems a little off too
bunduz
He's trying to get his point across.(/pun)
userschmoozer
The bible.
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
*Talmud?
userschmoozer
Old Testament.... included in the bible.
DOMEwithouttheE
Stabby rip stab stab
rtweedie34
YES.
Iamsonewatthis
Dear Diary....mood: apathetic
WouldYouFuckMeIdFuckMe
My life is spiraling downward.
ThisNameLacksPunctuation
I couldn't get enough money to go to the Blood Red Romance and Suffocate Me Dry concert.
Timexican
I couldn't get enough money to go to the Blood Red Romance and Suffocate Me Dry concert
ThisNameLacksPunctuation
religion, whether Abrahamic or otherwise... extremism doesn't change, once your little book starts telling you certain people are "better".
losviking
Stand back, I gotta practice my stabbing skills. Ha-HAA!
Zzxybca
You seem to be a fan of Buffy
MeganMeow
Never watched it really
userschmoozer
The bible.
Imroy
*Torah, or whatever the Old Testament was called before the Christians decided to write a sequel.
feeltheice
Its not him. Its those damn assault knives
KaiCorben
I lol'd."Why use a regular knife when you can have a... ASSAULT KNIFE! It slices! It dices! Hella sharp!
KaiCorben
( LAM, NIGHT-VISION SCOPE AND BATTERIES SOLD SEPARATELY. )
RonTheVerge
Knife: 6 attacked, 1 of those dead. Assault rifle (or almost any other gun): Many more attacked and more dead, along with collateral damage.
WhatTheActualF
Exactly. If you make it easier to kill people, more people will die.
feeltheice
Knife attack in china? 29 dead 180 injured.
xuvial
"But can't you see that a skinny psycho 14 year old can be just as dangerous with a knife as he can with a gun?!" - Americans probably.
RonTheVerge
Maybe the really ignorant ammosexual Americans. Sadly I'm in the southern US, so I see them all too often.
feeltheice
does not matter. 1 life lost is to much. Lets Require background checks and 30 day waits to buy knifes!
RonTheVerge
The problem with that is which one has more than just one purpose. Guns only kill where knives are tools for multiple things.
feeltheice
When my house was broken into last month, it didnt kill anyone but sure as hell defended me. /shrug
feeltheice
When my house was broken into last month, it didnt kill anyone but sure as hell defended me. /shrug
firestorm79
Why isn't he being branded a Jewish terrorist?
VladimirIlyichLenin
Because he didn't drive into the crowd
AskingTheRealQuestions
I usually disagree when people start pulling that shit every time a non-Muslim kills someone, but in this case I think it's a fair question.
AskingTheRealQuestions
I mean he's clearly not a part of a terrorist organisation or network, but we brand many Muslim lone wolf terrorists as such.
jrntn
Because that doesn't fit with the media's narrative where muslims are terrorists. It would make it harder to paint islam as all evil.
doesntgetmorearabthanthis
Because anyone besides Arabs and Muslims are never consudered terrorist... "mentally ill " is the term for them
unholypond
Is no one amazed that someone followed him with a camera as he stabbed people?
sub80
I think the camera man should be arrested also. Standing and doing nothing when someone is in trouble should be a crime.
shorr
Likely pictures from different people. Plenty have their cameras out and are taking pictures of the parade.
pois1
Not even a little bit, sadly.
wammo89
It's easy to blame it on religion but this guy is a fucking nut case. Second to last picture got me, man :/
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
I mean, ancient Jewish law *does* demand the execution of practicing homosexuals.
AskingTheRealQuestions
It's a combination of both. But to acquit the horrendeous, blatant promotion of this behaviour seen in the Bible is dishonest.
deathengineering
Yes it's usually easy to blame the cause when the cause is to blame.
whyteraven74
This picture was taken just before the stabbings started,
GingerKnight
Some explain this to me, was he recognized as being the same criminal from 10 years ago in this photo? He's clearly the center of attention
worldtraversingsquirrel
not necessarily, but an Ultra Orthodox is easy to identify, they probs wondered why he was at a pride parade.
GingerKnight
Ah okay, that makes more sense. I was really just looking for a more logical explanation and was drawing blanks, Thank You
Greeneyeddevil
That's definitely him? That's a fucking nightmare, fucking hell.
whyteraven74
Every reputable news outlet using that picture identifies it as him.
Greeneyeddevil
That's chilling.
SemiHomeless
Why aren't gays accepted yet? Who the fuck cares what sexuality someone is? Why is that even included in religion at all?
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
Cuz people fucking suck.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Because religion is Bronze Age morality immortalised on a piece of paper.
JustLivin
Because what other excuse can people use to disguise their hatred and bigotry?
kupcuk
you know what, let's follow through; let's chop his stabbing arm off. here, sir, have a spoonful of you religion. deed done; arm gone.
AxelBeingCivil
Depending on what interpretation you have, his religion would either say stone him to death or let him go free.
fourkingbaker
Then , I would argue that it was his head that did the deed....
kupcuk
lol, i can only imagine him gluing stabby stuff to his forehead and running around like a conservative unicorn.
oohflashylights
That's actually pretty much the old testament way. If your hand causes sin, cut it off.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Except for that his hand did not cause sin, his hand did exactly what the Bible told him to (minus the rocks).
kupcuk
i am remarkably uneducated about old testament. what i am saying is, let's do our worst as human species for, like, two weeks.
EMallorn
Fuckin' Hasidim.
KleptoKea
Or man, or human, or right winger, or heterosexual. Way to be a douche.
PUMBAMBI
Pretty sure he is charedi.
Ravenuser
Basically Westboro for Christians?
whyteraven74
Not quite, more like super fundamentalist conservatives. Who also share some traits with the Amish oddly enough.
IWillShutUpNow
I'm sure his being Hassidic has something to do with it, but don't blame Hassidim as a group. It's not their fault
Ihmhi
I think it would be disingenuous to say that it wasn't at least a contributing factor in part.
Fredfinks
no, theyre fucked. A horrid sect if there ever was one.
bendeem
as a jew, hassidic jews can go fuck themselves
VladimirIlyichLenin
*Most Hassidic Jews can go fuck themselves
bendeem
i dont know why you were downvoted
IWillShutUpNow
I should add: his actions are being condemned all across the political / religious map in Israel.
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IWillShutUpNow
My bad. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/middleeast/jerusalem-gay-pride-parade-stabbings-shira-banki-funeral/
TonyTheSandwich
That's a start. If we can agree that stabbing people at parades is wrong, then should have this whole mid-east thing sorted in a week or two
abcdude321
Ha
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
OP you're a bit misleading. The Hasids, the Ultra Orthodox Jews, and that stabber is one of them, actually praised his actions.
AerifiedVallah
Betzalel Smotrich (parliamentarian):"the gay parade is a march of heinousness" (said after the attack)
IWillShutUpNow
You can't win them all. For the most part there is clear consensus over this
underlord2132
Well yeah, stabbing people in the street isn't generally encouraged.
questionableanswers
this guy is just as bad as the current settlermovement is.
TonyTheSandwich
Have you seen Louis Theroux's documentary on settlers? It's interesting insight into the mindset and some of the complexities.
KapnKershaw
Well, i FUCKING HOPE SO.
V1K1NGFVNERAL
And lauded by morons on every Yahoo article comments section.
Murgie
Glad to see that the girls death hasn't distracted you from maintaining Israel's image, but entire city of Bnei Brak disagrees with you.
abcdude321
The Orthodox Jews that I've met where I live are kind and polite. They can be inconsiderate to others though because they rank religion
abcdude321
above everything else (supposedly except for human life, just not with this guy). They come off to me as a small group that doesn't like
abcdude321
outsiders very much and still hold very old fashioned views such as homophobia and that only jews should have certain rights (western wall)
ThisIsFrigglish
That's because they're hilariously insular, so the patriarchal controls that wouldn't look out of place in 1st century Israel are hidden.
graychristopher
As a Canadian, if only they equally condemned the apartheid of Palestinians.
thanatos777
It's a shame they didn't condemn it in the first place, and treat it like Israel usually treats acts of terrorism. But, hey, things are 1/2
thanatos777
different when it's not an Arab committing the terrorism, right? 2/2
LanaSmith
ha
icorrectyourgerman
HA there you see OP: jews be crazy. there´s a reason we tried to kill every single one of them
antidentite22
Condemned.. Oh wow.. That'll show em!
mellowdrama
OP, not at all a criticism, but wondering... did you not want to, try to tackle him to stop the madness? Your images seem so near him.
IWillShutUpNow
I wasn't there. Pics are from the news. These things (violent crimes) happen fast and it takes time to realize what's going on. 1/2
IWillShutUpNow
Once they realised, he was tackled to the ground 2/2
Reemy420
He probably thinks it is okay due to the way the Israelis are treating African refugees.
Reemy420
source: http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2013/12/israel-african-refugees.html
TonyTheSandwich
Bunch of amateurs by Australian standards.
iSoulend
Well, i he higher ups didn't agree to begin with, they'd have the army shooting at any gay (and other interesting targets)
plainoldfool
Umm, not so sure. Maybe outside of this dude's community, perhaps. I read somewhere that another ultra-orthodox dude said he should (1)
plainoldfool
have done a better job in the attack.
TastyBrainMeats
Where? That's an awful thing to say, and shouldn't go unchallenged.
plainoldfool
This is one example I just found: "I actually support the stabbing…shame he didn’t throw grenades over there." (http://uriblau.com/parade/)
TastyBrainMeats
Oy...idiots. Such idiiots.
puffyjacket69
But no one will change the holy books so that it stops happening....
ifthatsaveiledcriticismaboutmeiwonthearitandiwontrespondtoit
I'm glad y'all can find common ground on things.
jmeyers1983
Well they apparently aren't that frowned upon by their courts. 10 years for this? He took away 60 years from the teen that died.
IWillShutUpNow
The ten years was for the previous stabbing. He'll get life in prison this time
jmeyers1983
Oh, my bad. This is the second time? I did not realize this sociopath has already done this.
TonyTheSandwich
That was 10 years for the original attack, where no-one died. It was 12 years for attempted murder and aggravated assault. Probably, he 1/2
TonyTheSandwich
will get a longer sentence this time (assuming a conviction, since still has not been tried), due to the death, more victims, prior etc.
jmeyers1983
My mistake, didn't realize this sociopath has already done this once.
ButtAmbassador
Good, as they very well should be. What an irredeemable fuckwit.
NKato
The sad part is that they won't really take ACTION to actually fix the clusterfuck that is Israel. It's just politically convenient.
ButtAmbassador
Well even empty words can echo in a chamber: lets hope their cacophony incites the people to action that is more substantial than just words
drinkALLthebeer
+1 for "irredeemable fuckwit"
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
y'all rang?
AppoJuice
Username slightly relevant.
whateversomethingdifferentiguessfkit
Affirmative, you have correctly identified the joke.
nosasha
antidentite22
Heyyy you just killed people.. We officially boo you! Booo.. Yeap.. Suuuuuper effective!
srsfaceI8C
Obviously it doesn't stop the tragedy that already occurred. Public condemnation is important for maybe stopping a future crime.
KleptoKea
Thanks for mentioning this OP, before the usual nasty crowd start thinking that Israelis/Jews actually condone this sick mentality.
TallDude
Don't worry, I bet they still will do this, and probably use it for the next "atheist are better" post.
KleptoKea
True, or more likely the "Israel/Israelis are evil assholes who murder babies/kill kittens/put children's blood in their bread etc" posts.
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KleptoKea
Don't lie and spread misinformation. Hasids wholeheartedly condemned this act. I'm not a fan of their extreme views either, 1/
KleptoKea
but I won't let that make me stoop to spreading lies about them, and you shouldn't either. 2/2
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
You're the one lying here. Please give me some sources about them condemning his act.
KleptoKea
You're the one flinging accusations, not me.
FlatusIgnition
We most certainly do not.
Pulsity
Do you not realize you're implying something similar about people that you're not wanting to happen in this situation?
KleptoKea
Not sure I understand your question
Pulsity
You implied that the action of spinning this story trying to make people think it's supported is something that would be supported itself.
KleptoKea
Well looking at the ridiculously biased and unfair way in which Israel is treated by the media, 1/
KleptoKea
the UN and the hate-mongering mobs, one can't help but feel that there is an agenda held by many to demonize and delegitimize Israel.2/2
bananas
what about palestinian innocent people? they are not gay enough to get concern?
Muppetwarior
Dude, seriously? That is not a good way to get support for your cause.
plainoldfool
It kind of is, though. While most of Israelis condemned the fire bomb attack that killed a Palestinian toddler, there are some (1)
plainoldfool
settler groups that do not.
Moonsmoonsmoons
Can't we care about 2 things at once? Go Palestine and go gay people, but things happen in Israel that aren't Palestine-related.
hotfezz
so? mass shootings are condemned all the time in the states
FernandoRumdebum
Publicly*
lesserknowncharacter
Almost certainly. They're quietly one of the most hateful groups of people, at least in New York.
FartyMcDumpstein
That fucking air raid siren
FernandoRumdebum
All fundamentalists are. There is no such thing as a nice zealot
Ihmhi
Not necessarily, what if there was like a fundamentalist Christian but he was super hardcore about the "love thy neighbor" stuff? (1/2)
lesserknowncharacter
Most are quite vocal about the things and people they hate. Ultra Orthodox Judaism is extremely insular and secretive.
FernandoRumdebum
I'm extremely tolerant, even of fundamentalists who give me stink eye. But I hate those folks. So brazen about being shitheads
Ihmhi
That would be a nice kind of fundamentalism. Unfortunately those sorts of people are spectacularly rare. What a shame. =\ (2/2)
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
The Ultra Othodox Jews of Israel did not condemn his actions at all...
PeaceWalker47
That's because the Ultra Orthodox are insane. They're the Wahabis or the Westboro Baptist Church of the Jewish community.
daguq
Ultra Orthadicks.
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GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
*If the newspaper is in Hebrew, that's not an issue I speak Hebrew
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
Can you give me a source for the main Ultra-Orthodox newspaper, my uncle and aunt live in Israel and they told me that 1/
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
the Hasidic community didn't condemn him at all, they actually praised him so I would be very interested to see that newspaper 2/2
GirlFromMissouriThatROCKS
Wait, you downvoted me because I asked for your sources? Ok
YoullBePerfectWhenYoureDead
You understand that you asking him was not in private and that everyone with an account can downvote you, right? So quick to point fingers
WooeeooIlookjustlikebuddyholly
It's sad that this even is a positive thing, it should be normal.
storebrandproductmascot
Yeah, well, Israel. You take what you can get.
IWillShutUpNow
This should be on the Israeli flag. "We'll take what we can get"
IWillShutUpNow
I added that comment to answer some of the replies here. Of course it should be normal.
Murgie
Hell, more than that, it *should* be *true*. It's absolutely not, though, as he's being virtually martyred by the Ultra-Orthodox.
Jiddybit
John 13:34-35 - “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." One of the most... (1/2)
flapperfemmefatale
Downvoting because you think Jews follow the NT.
chiefwill
John is in the New Testament... He's a Jew.. They don't believe in the New Testament
creativitylack
This is like quoting Buddha under a story of a Hindu burning down a butcher shop.
whyteraven74
Not quite, given that many Hindus view Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu.
groversleeves
He belongs to the same group that killed the guy who said that so...
Jiddybit
...important quotes in the bible and yet anti-gay christians will ignore it passed on passages vaguely aimed at homosexuality. WTF YO. (2/2)
Cersie
He's not a Christian. Thanks for the inflammatory comment though :/
AskingTheRealQuestions
Context is important, yo. 1st commandment doesn't rule out this action for the same reason that your verse doesn't.
bananasdontfloat
This man is Jewish, not Christian...
Snarkoleptic
I mean, -very- Jewish
JustLivin
Like oy vey
PolarBlair924
This guy is Jewish though? He doesn't care about the NT?
Jiddybit
I was making a general observation to religious anti-homosexuality. its semi-relevant although I know it isn't Jewish
PolarBlair924
It might be relevant but a lot of Jews don't care about what Jesus said because he wasn't the son of God in their eyes.
jjames5725
Pretty much, they follow Old Testament rules
PolarBlair924
That's what I saying though. The passage is NT, this guy wouldn't care what is said in John. He doesn't believe the new covenant
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
Try this one on then: Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, 1/2
Cisforstupidthatsgoodenoughforme
...but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. Leviticus 19:18 2/2
PolarBlair924
I didn't say it didn't say anything like that in the OT, which makes clear the justice and judgment belongs to God alone.
whyteraven74
Well he could follow the words of Rabbi Hillel, which said the same thing just differently "That which is detestable to you, do not do...
PolarBlair924
I'm not trying to justify what he did, I'm just saying that he wouldn't care much about what the NT says
whyteraven74
to your neighbor"
Cheomesh
Dunno, I've met people who said they'd rather die than be gay.
jaybird2370
It is odd how quickly these zealots forget that Thou Shalt Not Kill made the top ten list and Thou Shalt Not Be a Homo did not.
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KnightofRenown
To be fair, it's thou shalt not murder. He probably considers this a righteous killing.
jaybird2370
Agreed but also saddened by the fact that anyone can and would think this way.
mellowdrama
Shocked that this didn't happen in the US. Crazy is everywhere.
utahjarhead
It was a top 15 list. "Thou Shalt Not Be a Homo" was in the next 5, I'm sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah-WdAwVg9c
jaybird2370
OMG I think we could be friends. This was what I almost posted.
AmpsterMan
Also, he didn,t even do the correct execution; he was supposed to stone th to death. He should be executed by stones for forgetting that.
baturinsky
There is a commandement about adultery, which is usually interpreted as sexual relations outside of man and his wife union.
thecolonels
Faith is the absence of logic. When a book has as many contradictions as the abrehambic texts adding one more doesn't seem like a big deal.
ilikeimplying
>implying a dude who's 1 shanking off double digits is genuinely motivated because of reading a book
AskingTheRealQuestions
Yes, because an ultraorthodox Jew can't possibly have gotten that idea from the Bible. It's so intuitive to just kill gay people, right?
AxelBeingCivil
I imagine it came from a religious text, friend, but I sincerely doubt a Jew got their religion from the Bible.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Torah, which is a part of the Bible.. Oh, the semantics.. :)
AxelBeingCivil
The Torah is a tradition that is included in part of the Bible, but also includes commentaries beyond it.
ilikeimplying
>implying that a nutter wouldn't still stab cunts, with or without a book that explicitly says not to kill amongst other things
AskingTheRealQuestions
A book that explicitly says to murder homosexuals and that homosexuality is an abomination* and yes, I am implying that.
DaDisser
Fair point lol
Accguy3144
"thou shalt not murder" not "thou shalt not kill". This guy is still guilty under both, but it's an important distinction to make.
lecrinkle
FUN FACT: The language used in the Torah to describe being gay as an abomination is used by stealing and murder.
OrionRed
That only applies to other Jews.
TastyBrainMeats
No, it doesn't.
OrionRed
Also, I never downvoted you, I just saw that you had been downvoted.
AskingTheRealQuestions
People keep forgetting that the Bible quite literally runs an apartheid between the people of Israel and everyone else...
EvaDyck
It may not be in the Ten Commandments but let's not disregard the rest of the Bible: Romans 1:25-28
jaybird2370
Or versus about stoning adulterers? Non-virgins? Wearers of mixed fabrics? Men who rape women and then only have to marry them?
MONTYFUCKINGPYTHON
Since I can't favourite this comment, I'm gonna comment myself so I can find it again.
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
I thibk it's a mix of zealotry and hiding behind that to cover up the fact that he's a damn psycho.
BaxtersSoup
Something tells me this guy has more than just a few stupid beliefs in his head. Could be closeted or mentally ill.
linkskywalker14
(It's funny, because our word "Zealot" originates from groups of Jews who went crazy and killed people in Ancient times.)
jaybird2370
Really, I had no Idea. Kinda cool, I actually learned something on here. Thanks. ;)
szepasszony
You mean the ones that rebelled against Roman occupation?
linkskywalker14
Zealots are the ancient Israeli version of the southern US redneck hick who thinks we should nuke Mexico.
linkskywalker14
Zealots nearly caused the end of Jewish civilization several times by forcing the Jews into fights that were WAY above their weight class.
linkskywalker14
Among other things. Zealots started a lot of civil wars, went on rampages against "city Jews," fought the Neo Assyrians, Greeks, Etc.
Wrkncacnter
It's actually "Thou shalt not murder," which makes these things justified in their minds.
leogirl723
I wish I could upvote this multiple times
AskingTheRealQuestions
It's odd how quickly people forget that it means unjust killing. As in killing that is not commanded/permitted by the Bible.
jaybird2370
It is a sad state that people can logically think it is ok to kill based on these principals.
AskingTheRealQuestions
Religion isn't logical, it never has been. It's basis is revealed truth, it's that something is true or right because a deity says so.
Iamyourcaptainnow
well said.
kielan
They forget too not to judge, only God may judge.
AxelBeingCivil
That's a Christian thing. Judaism, meanwhile, outright tells certain people to be judges. Not all religions are Christianity, yo.
jaybird2370
Thank you, this is always on the back burner for the crazies.
Southietuxedo
Amen shalom and what ever the fuck else
HeresyIntensifies
Praise the Emperor!
AggravatedFerret
Father, Son, Holy Ghost, clap your hands and touch your toes, do a spin then strike a pose, HEEEEY Macarena!
Klnwltrnk
R'amen
excepttheoneswhoaredead
Praise Talos.
InstructionsUnclearSummonedCthulhu
Pretty sure this is more Mehrunes Dagon's thing.
triggrhaapi
To be fair, a lot of world religions have that one and almost nobody remembers it when it's important to.
Schmedes
No, it's in there also. "Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's wife's shoes."
jaybird2370
IDK why someone down voted this, I giggled out loud.
NotHereToWin
140 characters is not enough to play devil's advocate. Or voice my own (totally conservative christian) opinions.
jaybird2370
To each his own. Opinions aside, I truly hope you do not advocate murder.
NotHereToWin
really m8... like i said, i'm christian, so no not really, i don't.
whyteraven74
The Top 10 list is a Christian thing, Jews observe 613 commandments and hold them all fairly equally important.
Sprixxen
Yup, this is why stoning was a fair punishment.
itsprobablysarcastic
Ten commandments is old testament.
kaukamieli
Jesus literally approved them in new testament so...
Boru
I like my own religion better. 2 Commandments. Don't be a dick, and Do No Harm.
triggrhaapi
ORTHODOX Jews observe all 613. Even if it's retarded to do it and requires them to hire a Shabbos goy.
jaybird2370
But I don't think any of them are No Homo, I may be wrong though. I'll check with my Jewish lady friend. She will clue me in.
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
As a Christian, I believe the 613 all fall under categories of the top 10 and all are of fairly equal import as well. Top 10 is a summary.
TastyBrainMeats
...What about the Kosher laws?
blainetog
All of which can be summarized to two: love God, and love each other.
NextineX
Except for the fact that most of them are crazy and have nothing to do with being a better person. including the "top ten"
BillWilsonCIA
It also never says don't lesbian
siler7
Wrong.
sufkutsafari
Pretty sure I saw "thou shall not share a double sided dildo" in one of the books tho!
nekobaka
It's the psalm after "thou shall love your neighbor unless he behaves, talks, believes or looks different than you, then go fuck him up"
doodlemyster
Ha
elfenix
iirc, historically sex acts were only considered sex acts if penetration was involved, and it wasn't considered that women could do the deed
elfenix
iow, fingerblasting don't count (hi bill clinton)
lecrinkle
Actually got in an in depth convo with my Rabbi about this. Hot girl on girl action is totally cool in God's eyes. But dude stuff is not.
Coppermantis
That depends on who you ask. Some Jews condemn lesbianism as a "practice of egypt", others don't.
lecrinkle
Like Imgur.
Boufus
"I'm agin mens kissin mens of any kind! But when women do it... Well I say that's alright!"
Shabooya
God is a sexist, but at least this time he's working FOR women
Coppermantis
Jewish Law has some interesting stuff regarding women, e.g. how men are obligated to sexually satisfy their wives but not the reverse.
ThaiMaiShu
Where is that mentioned in the bible? I'm curious
QuantumSupersexposition
TIL god's freaked out by sword-fighting …and prolly man-nips.
QuantumSupersexposition
but if he made man in his image… his ire is just misplaced self-loathing. so, wait. god's a self-hating gay?
draco91
Homosexuality just means sexual attraction between same sex members. This includes women.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
The Bible doesn't mention homosexuality. Just a man cannot lay with another man
draco91
Fair enough. Just correcting a common misconception that only men can be homosexual.
ArthurBooRadley
I think "homo"(-sexual) applies to lesbians, also.
AskingTheRealQuestions
The Bible specifically addresses men sleeping with other men, though. Hot lesbo sex is cool.
ArthurBooRadley
I was referring to jaybird's original comment, not to the Bible.
AskingTheRealQuestions
You mean the comment where he says "it [the bible] doesn't mention lesbians"?
BillWilsonCIA
But it never says "no homosexuals" it only says "A man shall not lie with another man"
ArthurBooRadley
I was referring to jaybird's original comment, not to the Bible.
Mikaru86
IIRC Leviticus only mentions something like "a man lying with man as he would with a woman", so lesbians are not covered by that at least.
ArthurBooRadley
I was referring to jaybird's original comment, not to the Bible.
LiterallyYourMom
Leviticus also allows selling your daughter into slavery and condones bull sacrifice and quarantining all women during their periods, so...
Mikaru86
I never said that I agree with those rules in any way, I was only pointing out that anyone using it to hate on all homosexuals isn't even >
popejubal
Source?
ArthurBooRadley
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homosexual
popejubal
Surprisingly, the merriam-webster dictionary wasn't around when the bible was written. The bible was quite specific in the original language
nclu
*bible
popejubal
I've read the bible. Multiple times. You're going to need to give chapter and verse if you want it to count as an actual source.
TonyTheSandwich
His attitude is that homosexuals have rejected God and abandoned their religion. He believes this brings the world to a state of 1/?
TonyTheSandwich
Godlessness. This is in the context of Jews as a chosen people with a special godly purpose. He sees that he is acting in defence of the 2/?
TonyTheSandwich
Jews entire, the world, and God. That, as I imagine he sees it, is far greater than one, or a few, lives. It is not dissimilar from the 3/?
TonyTheSandwich
rationales that are given for all sorts of killings: war, capital punishment, genocide, self-defence, suicide bombings etc, that there 4/?
TonyTheSandwich
is some greater purpose that justifies it. One answer to this problem is the title of the post "Thou shalt not kill", ever, for any 5/?
Resenate
Is "thou shall not kill" sort of conditional? Its more like you shouldn't kill your own kind...
ShadowXII
In the literal sense, it is unconditional. It says that should a man strike your face, turn the other cheek to him also.
Leithoa
That's the bible, not the Tanakh.
XooMG
Bible/Tanakh clearly prescribes killing for many sins. Guy is crazy and deplorable, but the book does offer him some support.
ColoneISanders
As conditional as everything else in the good book
UnpopularOpinionPuffinPersonified
the word "kill" there basically means murder: the unlawful taking of another human life.
AskingTheRealQuestions
It's supposed to be "murder", as in unrightful killing, or else that commandment would be in direct contradiction with half the bible..
SamanthaWelling
Yeah cuz the bible's not full of contradictions (not saying ur wrong about the meaning, just that it being a contradiction doesn't prove it)
AskingTheRealQuestions
The Bible is riddled with indisputable contradictions, but this just isn't one of them. It's quite easily adduced.
chicktracy
Yep, "You shall not kill" is so vague statement, but "if man lies with man as with woman..", clearly means kill all homos.
Felman
Yes. One of the first thing Moses commanded after getting the commandments was to kill those worshiping a golden idol.
nekobaka
Execution for a crime is fine, killing innocents is not. The conditional part is "what is considered a crime worthy of capital punishment?"
GodEmperorOfImgur
Think of it more "thou shall not murder" killing, murder is not. According to ultra-orthodox Judaism, this was killing and not murder.
TastyBrainMeats
Accoding to ultra-orthodox Judaism, this was still murder. Someone accused of gay has to be condemned by the Sanhedrin, and there isn't one.
linkskywalker14
Historically speaking, this is correct. The commandments apply to a person's own tribe. Only modern reinterpretation has made it more broad.
Resenate
Well that's plain sad. How would someone like this get to a point where he would think what he did was wrong?
TastyBrainMeats
They BIND the person's tribe, but they bind their behavior with regard to others, too. "Thou shalt not murder" anybody, not just Hebrews.
jaybird2370
I always took it as not to kill anyone but what do I know, I'm also silly enough to think live in peace and let others do the same.
sufkutsafari
Us silly people, trying to think for ourselves and not living the way some imaginary character in whatever fairy tale book tells us to. ;)
funkmaster40
Moses and his released Jews fought in major battles and killed thousands. Its ok if its a holy war it seems.
GodEmperorOfImgur
It's the distinction between killing and murder, to murder is unlawful and wrong, but killing is okay as long as the bible says so.
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
MAdness.
iexiak
Biblical speaking they get the 10 commandments of though shalt not kill pretty damn close to when god has them go to war in his name...
myvulvaissmootherthanavealcutlet
Christians and many liberal Jews take it to be a universal law, but more conservative Jews take it to be a law particular to their group.
myvulvaissmootherthanavealcutlet
Which fits into their general framework of ethics, which is much more concerned with internal group relations than universalist ideas.
AskingTheRealQuestions
It's kill as in murder, unrightful killing, meaning "thou shalt not unrightfully kill (murder)", in which case killing homos is fine.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Which is even more weird, because God was very specific about MEN not being allowed to lie with men, but never said anything about women. :P
AskingTheRealQuestions
Touché. :)
TastyBrainMeats
The Talmud goes into further depth on that issue. But either way, you can't just murder someone for being gay - they have a right to trial.
TastyBrainMeats
Not quite. In order to be put to death for homosexuality, you have to be condemned before the Sanhedrin, which can't happen anymore.
jaybird2370
Sad but true in the minds of the mentally ill and genuinely crazy.
slaitch
Also, the only prohibition on homosexuality in the book they claim to be working from amounts to "Don't do that, it's icky."
siler7
Uh, no.
SAWhowhatnow
Well it does also say that homosexuals shall be put to death. So it goes a liiiiiiitle further than just "it's icky".
talenphillips
Uh, this is an orthodox jew. Have you read the Leviticus laws? They go way beyond what you just said.
jaybird2370
I thought it just said something about Wetnaps and Fleet but I didn't read it that closely.
Tankdoggy
Exactly. And clean up the Santorum.
jaybird2370
OK, a genuine LOL.
Tankdoggy
Heh, well I figured you were gay with the wetnaps & Fleet comments :)