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Aaron Feis, 37
Assistant Football Coach, former security guard and alumni of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where he worked for 8 years. He threw himself on top of the kids as a human shield to protect them from the spray of bullets. Chad Lyons, a student and football player, said Feis was there for him when he was going through leukemia treatments. "He guided me through them. He would send me prayers. He would send me Bible scripts and just stuff to cheer up my day. Funny memes. He was just an amazing person."
Alaina Petty, 14
Freshman. Alaina was described as vibrant and determined by family. Volunteered to clean up her community with her church group after Hurricane Irma passed through in September. Member of Junior ROTC at school.
Alex Schachter, 14
He attended high school with his brother, who survived. His father Max says he was a "sweetheart of a child" who "just wanted to do well and please his parents." He played trombone in the marching band.
Alyssa Alhadeff, 14
Alyssa's mother remembers her daughter as a talented soccer player and creative writer with an amazing personality. "Honor Alyssa by doing something fabulous in your life. Don’t ever give up and inspire for greatness," her family said in a note to her friends shared by the soccer club. "Live for Alyssa! Be her voice and breathe for her."
Cara Loughran, 14
Cara danced at the Drake School of Irish Dance in South Florida. "Cara was a beautiful soul and always had a smile on her face," the dance studio said. "We are heartbroken as we send our love and support to her family during this horrible time." Cara loved the beach. Her aunt Lindsay Fontana says, "We are absolutely gutted. While your thoughts are appreciated, I beg you to DO SOMETHING. This should not have happened to our niece Cara and it cannot happen to other people's families."
Carmen Schentrup, 16
Carmen was a gifted, stand-out student who was named as a semifinalist in the 2018 National Merit Scholarship Program. Schentrup had recently gone on a college visit to the University of Washington, her cousin Matt Brandow said in a Facebook post, calling her the "most intelligible 16 year old I’ve ever met." He says, "I love you with all my heart and I’m going to miss you every single living day. I would switch places with you in a second."
Chris Hixon, 49
Athletic Director and Wrestling Coach. Veteran U.S. Navy Reserves, deployed to Iraq in 2007. He died rushing toward the gunfire to try to protect students. He leaves behind a wife and a special needs son. Described by all who knew him as an upstanding, thoughtful, and generous person with a great sense of humor. He would give kids rides and lunch money when they needed it. "Every one of those students he thought of as his own kid," said his wife Debra.
Gina Montalto, 14
Gina was a member of the school's state-champion marching band's winter guard. Her mother describes her as "a smart, loving, caring, and strong girl who brightened any room she entered."
Helena Ramsey, 17
Ramsey would have gone to college next year, a family member said. The relative remembered her as a "smart, kind hearted and thoughtful person. Though she was some what reserved, she had a relentless motivation towards her academic studies, and her soft warm demeanor brought the best out in all who knew her. She was so brilliant and witty, and I’m still wrestling with the idea that she is actually gone."
Jaime Guttenberg, 14
"My heart is broken," her father, Fred Guttenberg, wrote. "Yesterday, Jennifer Bloom Guttenberg and I lost our baby girl to a violent shooting at her school. We lost our daughter and my son Jesse Guttenberg lost his sister. I am broken as I write this trying to figure out how my family gets through this. Hugs to all and hold your children tight." Speaking at a candlelight vigil held Thursday night, Fred Guttenberg spoke of Jamie: "I sent her to school yesterday, and she was supposed to be safe. My job is to protect my children, and I sent my kid to school."
Joaquin Oliver, 17
Joaquin moved with his family to the U.S. from Venezuela when he was 3. He became a U.S. citizen last January. Friends say he played basketball in a city rec league and loved to write poetry.
Luke Hoyer, 15
Luke was a quiet but happy teenager who loved playing basketball. He was "an amazing individual. Always happy, always smiling. His smile was contagious, and so was his laugh," his cousin Grant Cox says. "I know Luke loved his family. He had a huge heart." His aunt Joan Cox says he was a "happy-go-lucky kid" and a "momma's boy" who rarely got into trouble. "He didn’t know what he wanted to do yet," Cox said. "He was just a freshman and was looking forward to high school."
Martin Duque Anguiano, 14
"Words can not describe my pain," his brother Miguel wrote. "I love brother Martin you'll be missed buddy. I know you're in a better place. Duques forever man I love you junior!!! R.I.P Martin Duque!"
Meadow Pollack, 18
Meadow was a senior who had been accepted to Lynn University. Spokeswoman Jamie D'Aria said: "Meadow was a lovely young woman, who was full of energy. We were very much looking forward to having her join our community in the fall."
Nick Dworet, 17
Senior. Dworet earned an academic scholarship at the University of Indianapolis and would have committed to the swim team in the fall. "Nick's death is a reminder that we are connected to the larger world, and when tragedy hits in places around the world, it oftentimes affects us at home," said Robert L. Manuel, University of Indianapolis President. Andre Bailey, head coach at Dworet's swim club, says: "I'm telling you from the bottom of my heart, he just took his life in his hands and he chiseled and molded his life."
Peter Wang, 15
Peter was killed while holding the door open for other students to flee before him out of study hall. His family, who speaks little English and struggled to receive news about their son, anticipated celebrating the Chinese New Year with him at their family restaurant.
Scott Beigel, 35
Geography Teacher and Cross Country Coach. Killed trying to let students in his classroom to hide from the gunman. Kelsey Friend, one of Beigel's students, says, "Mr. Beigel was my hero and he still will forever be my hero ... I am alive today because of him. If I could see him right now, I'd give him a huge teddy bear to say thank you. But, unfortunately, I can't do that."
On a personal note.
It finally hit home for me. This school is 10 minutes from my house. My community is in a state of shock and horror. These are the kids and families of my neighborhood, my grocery store, my movie theater, my parks.
Unless we act, one day it will be yours. I will be heartbroken to pass that torch.
Docholidayistheman
So sad. What a complete waste.
livingscreamydreamy
The entire situation is heart wrenching but what makes it worse is that most of the students were only freshman.. they were just beginning..
LtColonelSmythe
I know it was hard, but thank you for putting a small view of what was really lost. Damn dusty in here
Perkunas687
I wonder if there's a GoFundMe thing for the AD's kid, depending on how severe the special needs are. Sad all over. :(
beepbeepmeow
Fundraiser for the victim's families: https://www.gofundme.com/stonemandouglasvictimsfund
ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
This post actually made me cry. I haven't cried in a long long time. It is beyond fucked up that most of these of these victims were only 14
LtColonelSmythe
The only thing that is more fucked up is that is allowed to keep happening
azazyel
Morning Joe spent the first part of the show talking about every one of the victims. It was heartbreaking but necessary,
deadlysneeze
Sad.
beepbeepmeow
Fundraiser for the victim's families: https://www.gofundme.com/stonemandouglasvictimsfund
Ilikeyogurt
“My job is to protect my children and I sent my kid to school.” That crushed me. Many more lives were lost, those poor parents.
CactusFantastic0
I feel like, as a teacher, it’s just a matter of time before I’m involved in a school shooting...
StayChillMyFriends
I work at a school. I always think... when will it be our turn when some student/facility has had enough. Fuck dude.
shreddedking
these wouldn't be the last time we're going to see mass shooting victims unless we stop weapons of mass killing from getting in hands 1/
shreddedking
of civilians and i don't see that happening which is more sadder.
UltimateDepression
Too young.
FeebleMousetrapPlusOneVsGiant
Reading through the comments I just wanted the post to end because each person looked so bright and kind and full of life.
CalvinMcFly
Chilling....stay strong OP.
beepbeepmeow
Fundraiser for the victim's families: https://www.gofundme.com/stonemandouglasvictimsfund
Nova5269
Put this in the edit so more people can see it
beepbeepmeow
Unfortunately imgur gets rid of the post if it detects any fundraising link. So I put it in comments
Nova5269
Ohh, I see. I didn't know that
Captainplanetmotherfucker
Respect to Mr. Peter Wang. He held a door open, thus giving others the means to escape and it cost him his life.
pancreas
I hate to say it, but I can't get past the fact his name is Peter Wang. Good kid, but that name is still funny, you gotta admit.
biggwhytey
A true soldier who gave not just his country AND its people the last full measure of devotion. He deserves the Army ROTC Medal for Heroism.
kstrtroi
I really want to see the faces of the people who would downvote something like this. Seriously.
captain5
An honorable death is better one than a cowardly life. Peter Wang is my dude. All at 15 years of age....
clitoricalquestion
No greater love hath a person than to give their life for another...this hero exemplified every word of that. I wish I could salute him.
OneArmGeek
Amen my brother, amen.
beepbeepmeow
Fundraiser for the victim's families: https://www.gofundme.com/stonemandouglasvictimsfund
youonlyhaveonelegsir
Not sure why this is being downvoted? And why it’s not been upvoted more - @beepbeepmeow can you just edit the post to add it in?
beepbeepmeow
unfortunately Imgur makes it a habit to "disappear" gallery posts that include links to fundraisers. don't know if the policy changed
unheardscreams
Its better to see the names and faces of those lost than the one accountable for them no longer being here!!!
Evococa
A few days ago a kid in our local HS said something threatening towards the school on social media. Got himself arrested and cops at the HS.
QuietScreaming
This has happened twice at the school where I teach in the past couple weeks. So scary
Evococa
School system called and told us parents. What a frightening and sad world we live in. My heart goes out to those affected. Many hugs OP.
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Even if it was in jest, there's just too much at risk, if you don't take these kind of threats seriously. We need a deterrence.
Narwhilian
We had a Grandmother turn in her grandson for planning a mass shooting at a school on the 15th about an hour north of where I live
ChoochyMcGee
I took over my company’s HR dept. I enforced a super strict anti-violence policy. One exec says too strict. If someone “vents” about blowing
ChoochyMcGee
The building up, or putting a bullet through their head it’s an automatic unpaid suspension and/or discharge.Pushback will prob decrease now
Clydefrogger
As it should be. I don't view that as even removtwly strict.
noonecaresdude
Someone vents about killing themselves, and its an automatic suspension? All so you look better about "doing something"? THe fuck!
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tyro1
“Be secretive with your intentions - we don’t want to know them!”
Tywinning
If they're stressed and venting, adding more stress and not allowing venting will just make it worse. Better to encourage them to seek help
Tywinning
If someone's saying stuff like that, think about why. If they're joking then yea they shouldn't, but there could be a whole lot more going
MrrSir
I’m not one to cry but damn seeing these images of amazing people who will never get to do the things I did like prom and graduation.
TheOneThatGotBanned
basically get to live.
MrrSir
Well yeah but I meant like high school moments. I graduated last year
poopsingroups
I wonder if any of these politicians would change their stance on guns if their kids/spouses got shot up in that ivory tower they're all in.
Legosinthedark
They got shot on a baseball field and nothing changed. Nothing will ever change
Nytr013
For once, I would like to see one of these be honest. "He was an asshole, but we loved him."
jinxman17
mine would say " he was an asshole, but a funny asshole"
thezookeeper
I mean, I'd say that about my husband, but he's still alive. What's the point of tearing down a blameless person who's dead?
botlaw
There was a guy who killed two cops who were sitting in a patrol car in Brooklyn a few years ago. His mom basically said that about him.
botlaw
Actually, I misread the above comment. The mom didn’t say she loved him; said he was an asshole and should have been in jail.
warmNchewey
I'm fucken tired of this shit. Not just school shootings either. Everyone and everywhere. We need to stop fucken shooting each other!!
BLONALD
Empty words.
warmNchewey
I mean you can follow my comments. I would love to change things but getting the other side to the table is hard...
Owlberightback
Lived in Kansas City, MO for a little bit and they shoot each other as commonly as having lunch. Why.
AcindoTheRed
It's not "everywhere" it's mostly just "america" and third world countries.
BumbleBeeBeardedGingerBear
its almost like guns are too easily obtained by the mentally unstable, and waiting for a felony isnt the answer.
XilleIlahi
What you guys need to do is stop shooting, period. The USA has been bombing schools, weddings and funerals all over the world. Karma.
epicstorybro
Yeah, sure is the regular citizenry doing it. Fuck off, man.
Owlberightback
Fuck you, unkindly
Goldensaremylife
See how easy we turn on each other :(
boomshakalack
Hey, I have an idea: what if we had some kind of check or system to make sure you can’t sell assault rifles to fucktards?
warmNchewey
Is fucktard the official label we will give them in the check system lol?
TruckSquare
Assault rifles have been ban from sale in America since the 80 my dude. The only way you can get is if you buy one made before 1986.
portmanteau79
well ar15's then.... or any semi auto rifle. Or you know, any guns.
Delta7x
"I'm tired boss... But mostly I'm tired of people being nasty to eachother"
StayChillMyFriends
The Green Mile, right?: (
Delta7x
If memory serves, yeah
warmNchewey
Great movie.
dvaonline
He bought the gun legally and robbed them of their lives. Our government is complicit in silence and inaction. I pray for their loved ones.
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dvaonline
STFU is exactly what the ignorant lawmakers are doing. So thank you for proving how ignorance is detrimental to all.
rando84
All you need to do to buy an AR-15 in FL: show the seller a driver's license showing you're 18 years old and...that's it. Have fun!
lurkingnooby
Imagine being deployed in a fricking war torn country and survive it just to get shoot back home by some Stupid asshats. Jeez
WaxDragon
Happens waaay more often than it should :/
Ilikeyogurt
He did was he was trained to do, protect your citizens. Ran to the fire & stalled the asshole from killing even more kids. A god damn hero.
bluesandwhich
America is a war torn country. It's citizens are in a war with each other.
biggwhytey
"... against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."
CaffeineEnabler
Imagine being deployed in a fricking war torn country, protecting yours, only to have your kid killed in America by another American kid
MatterDynamic
To all people who live in countries where gun control laws are a lot stricter, you are blessed. I live in NZ, and it's a blessing everytime
MatterDynamic
a shooting happens in another country.I'm shedding tears for these young adults and teachers just reading their stories. Kia Kaha La Familia
SpaceForceCowboy
It's sad how long this kind of pain sticks with a community. It's been almost 19 years and we still are scared from the Columbine HS shootin
cpnbeeb
Something tells me the media dragging it out non stop as they do with other shootings sure doesn't help, either.
Traja01
What are they supposed to do though. This is and should be national news. We can't just sweep it under the rug like nothing happened.
cpnbeeb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-D3YoW3Hxg Maybe listen to this guy.
CaffeineEnabler
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”. 19 years and it's still the same.
YouAreLovedAndAppreciated
The Peter wang one really hits hard
LintillaAllitnil
I have a 13 year old. Currently crying for the victims and their families. This is horrible and horribly unnecessary.
bravotipo
I can't believe 17 persons died killed in a high school. I am sad beyond words. Condolences from old Europe.
bravotipo
These were kids! Kids!!!
TsundereSniper
It hurts even more when u have the faces and stories to the victims..
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Fahargo
Statistically he's more likely to get hit by a car. But I understand
cheeseisatypeofmeat
I've up voted but can't look at it. It breaks my heart.
thepenisbIue
I am actually so happy to see pictures of their faces and not the murderer. I still don’t know what he looks like or his name.
TheRighteousWarden
Don't know if I want to...
PhunsukhWangdu
Definitely, compared to just hearing the number of casualties on the news, this makes it a whole lot more heart-wrenching.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
And to know that each of these people laid dying, terrified in their final moments, wondering why this had to happen. Because we don't act.
Fahargo
I just keep imagining this being my group of friends at that age. Losing a best friend. My favorite teacher. People I'd known for years 1/2
Fahargo
The girl I liked. No kid should have to spend their last moments afraid and confused.
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
That's the point.
WouldYouLikeSomeBaileysImOldGregg
They aren't a statistic. They are - were - people.
CounselorWaffles
Seen a video that had the body of one of the victims bled out on the floor. Seeing these makes it more real, think I know who it was. :(
beepbeepmeow
Fundraiser for the victim's families: https://www.gofundme.com/stonemandouglasvictimsfund
TsundereSniper
thanks alot for the link!
SaucyDisses
Incredibly heartbreaking to know that they were JUST about to begin their journey: college, independence, freedom, adulthood. RIP
harryplt788
Most of them had not even lived life. They were just babies.
HD2composer
Agreed
BIZaGoten
It feels like I missed something, what happened with these people?
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
Hopes and prayers for the souls of members of the NRA - none of whom are in a "militia" and not the least bit "well-regulated".
avyon
It hit a little more after seeing some friends/family that night posting on Twitter looking for some of these people :( surreal for me
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Because it's no longer just a number, a statistic. The public issue becomes personal trouble. We severely underestimate the value of life.
beauchette
It's sad but It helps remembering it happened to real people in real life.
CarcassCatapaultCombo
So sad to look at all of their smiling faces in these photos. No one deserves this
MikuMikuSan
I agree, being forced to smile for photos is just awful.
TheRighteousWarden
Really dude
ZakFrito
Man, that's kinda fucked
MikuMikuSan
I know but they still make you do it.
sieg443130
You're an asshole
TheRighteousWarden
Defiantly not the time to bring that up
Fahargo
I'm so glad these are more available. In the past you'd have to search for them
WhyAmINotSleepingRightNow
Sad we live in a world where "glad it's easier to look up victims" has become a thing.
Matrican
Yeah. This really hits home. These are no longer statistics or numbers, but people that had their own dreams and lives.
ZombieDreamcatcher
This is why I love the imgur community. Even though we can act like a bunch of assholes, we have big hearts and spread what really matters.
TheRighteousWarden
Except for the 160 downvotes they're just assholes
ZombieDreamcatcher
Well the downvote fairies can suck it
Matrican
And I think that is something we forget too often in tragedies like these, especially as of late.
DarkSock
Not enough. They need to start releasing autopsy photos. Of this, Vegas, of Sandy Hook were their little bodies were dismembered by bullets.
DarkSock
Every member of Congress should be forced to see high res photos of the Sandyhook crime scene. Then see if the cocksuckers vote for the NRA.
GODDAMNlT
nobody wants to remember them from those photos. They deserve better than that. The way this is done is perfect.
DarkSock
They deserve to be avenged by action, not “thoughts & prayers” by bought and paid for NRA toadies like McConnell and Paul Ryan and Rubio
tanoren
I don't know, that feels like both betraying the dignity of the people who were killed and potentially traumatic for people. Lawmakers, sure
DarkSock
The protests against Vietnam launched in earnest exactly when the US public began seeing unsanitized bloody images on their Zenith TV sets.
JStengah
It won't work as well as these pictures will. It will disgust, but that'll only make people want to block the whole thing from their minds
JStengah
But it's an attempt to make them feel some of the disgust and horror that they're making others live in, so I get why some people want it.
AlcoholicsAnonymousBYO
If I was shot to death I wouldn't give a fuck for dignity, I'd want to scream all my pain and anguish to the world.
TouchMyInfection
This is what news should be covering, not that piece of shits name, face, and background. Stop making these animals famous.
trs451
Sometimes an eye for an eye is not unreasonable, they should let the community at him
KhajiitIsPleased
There are serious days when I wish I had a death note. Shits like that don't deserve anything better than death
WhosThatDamnPokemon
I wish you could sentence people that commit crimes like this to lifelong torture. Death is too quick, too easy.
BEARofVALHALLA
I agree. However we need to pay attention to the piece of shit in order to prevent things like this from happening. You can't learn much
BEARofVALHALLA
From innocent victims. And we need to move forward.
EpogeeDesign
Tried to talk to my father about it (I live near school) he said he blames Obama and Nancy pelosie for the illegal fucking immigrants. Fuck
TheBot
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Goldensaremylife
I haven’t watched 1 sec of coverage on him. I don’t even know his name. Only focus is on the victims and how it can be made better.
hotsister
I think they are showing them less, actually. I don't even know what this latest guy looks like. Or his name. Don't care to, either.
AllTheCoolKidsPeeTheirPants
I saw his face on here for the first time and that disappointed me. The news is calling him “a troubled teenager who was adopted” WTF
angelwkw3
Same, I've watched a lot of coverage and only saw his face once.
RandoPositivityPilot
Neither do I, and I'm not going out of my way to find out. Maybe on tv they are showing them more, but online I haven't seen a trace of it
AngriestViking
This is word for word from a CNN article
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AngriestViking
I looked through the post and didn't see that anywhere in it? Might have missed it but ill link the article
AngriestViking
I dont mean that as an insult to op, its great to get it out there, i meant that the news is at least beginning to focus more on the victims
AngriestViking
I was wrong, its a CBS article, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-school-shooting-victims-identified-by-authorities-2018-02-16/
TouchMyInfection
I have heard they recently adapted this belief as well.
hopefuloval
You need to get the killers name out there. It jogs peoples memory. Thet might have information that prevents it from happening again.
ShroomNaked
If people quit reading, they'll quit reporting...
beepbeepmeow
Fundraiser for the victim's families: https://www.gofundme.com/stonemandouglasvictimsfund
bravotipo
Exactly. that exposure propels imitation, I hate the media.
InnocentValley
Media loves drama. Always has, always will because people crave for it without realising there's beauty in this world too.
RolandTheLastGunSlinger
Agreed friend. Agreed.
Satherian
I've only heard about this on Imgur/Reddit and from Phil D. Still don't know the shooters name and am happy about it. Screw TV
InnocentValley
Exactly same here. I haven't watched tv in 6 years. 6 absolutely amazing years. I don't need to know about the assholes in this world.
themuttonisniceandlean
For the most part, that's what I've been seeing recently. It's too bad it happens so often that I can even give you a "for the most part."
thegreatgatsB
+1 Give them no platform or fame and they are just pieces of shit.
BLONALD
"Ignore the problem and hope it goes away". Because that worked so well every other time.
EdiciusMaximus
But no one is ignoring the problem. There have been dozens of posts adressing gun control and mental health issues. But none saying (1/2)
EdiciusMaximus
(2/2) that the situation should be ignored. Remembering the victims and helpers is far better than giving the shooter endless screen time
InnocentValley
It's worked in my case. I know the faces of those kids and teachers, I know absolutely nothing about the killer. Zero. Well done, Imgur.
meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I think that is part of the reason why so many do this shit. They get weeks worth of Fame from it!
5FingerJeffPunch
The only publicity this cunt trumpet should get is his own lead up his ass.
JinjaAsashin
There was a time they'd of publically executed him and been done with it. Hate me for it but vengeful deaths are not always a bad thing.
TheEmpyString
8===D~ D: <- @JinjaAsashin
RCBSUPERMAN
But their ratings, think of the ratings!
imooforyou
People watching make the ratings. You're criticizing them for their obsession with negative news.
RCBSUPERMAN
Well negative news sales.
imooforyou
Again, how is that the medias fault? People like carnage so its their fault? That's the thought pattern of a teenager blaming his parents.
RCBSUPERMAN
Uh, I don't think you understood my original comment and now I feel uncomfortable talking to somebody this oblivious.
JinjaAsashin
I'd agree if they were honest atleast 50% of the time, major news outlets flat make stuff up for more dramatic stories.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
A proper background check could've saved 17 lives.
cpnbeeb
Shame the one billion dollars set aside for overhauling the background check system in 2007 up and vanished.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Who what now? Source?
cpnbeeb
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/nics-background-check-congress-spending/
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ImHereToExplainTheJoke
We need to find a way to regulate better and narrow down who gets a gun
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
1. 2nd amendment. 2. Lots of countries have guns but not our gun problem.
klean9
Prayers won’t do crap. We need legislators with balls. Or we just admit we will let it happen again...and again...and
chelleofc
I agree.
ZeSlammy
Start with legislators with bills. Not just 'thoughts and prayers'
beepbeepmeow
Yes.
CamelSpotter
We can start with voting out those who take money from the NRA and allow the CDC to properly investigate this shit.
colouredpopcorn
I just don’t get how America can still allow gun laws to be so relaxed, the fact active shooter drills have to be practiced is awful enough.
z3lfmoord
GiantRobotsRule
Our Constitution requires government to protect "Guns, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness". Not save people's lives with policy changes.
Sage042000
Some time ago, politicians decided corporations were people and money was speech. So now gun manufacturers/NRA "talk" to politicians often.
Shoutrr
arguing about gun control is pretty much useless, we are doomed to watch this repeat until something so dramatic and so awful happens
Shoutrr
when it comes to violence and horrors. So, don't hold your breath hoping something will change, I pretty much watch this like a reality tv/2
Shoutrr
that even the morons totting "mah guns arrr mah liberties and protection" takes the hint. The problem is they have a very high threshold /1
Shoutrr
show about "how to screw yourself willingly in every aspect possible and be in total denial of it"/end
ScrambledHeggs
What should they legislate?
GiantRobotsRule
Ban high-capacity mags,require background checks on private party sales, not just retail, improve background checks to better identify psyco
Brizzly1146
It’s impossible to implement background check on private party sales.
GiantRobotsRule
Not at all. Require all private sales to non-family members to meet at a licensed dealer/courthouse/police station & do the bg check there.
Zan11
And you'll enforce this how?
elwind01
Imo, to allow ccdw carriers the ability to carry on campus. Most places that have allowed it have had a steady decrease in crime in the area
ScrambledHeggs
Agreed
KartFnocker
ultimate end of this shit
jsktrogdor
I'd rather die in a shooting than have to go to school every day with random idiots hiding guns in their jackets.
ikagawa
Unless you're a minor, you likely already do and have no idea. Hence the "concealed carry" part.
PonyMadness
You'd rather die than live around people who may or may not have a gun? You're a very special kind of retarded aren't you.
jsktrogdor
Gun owners annually murder 10 times more people with their guns than mass shooters do.
mrmattTmcmattman
Personally, I think the issue is not legislate, the laws and procedures are there. They just aren't followed and held accountable.
tomatopancake
Well stricter gun control laws would help that enforce harsher mental health screenings/background checks....
Fluded
If a criminal wants a gun, they will get a gun. Legal or not. It won’t matter. Guns will still end up in the wrong hands no matter the laws.
tomatopancake
Cruz had a history of emotional issues and was in therapy in the past. This was never disclosed when he passed a simple test at the gun....
tomatopancake
Shop where it was not an extensive background check and what it seems all he had to do was essentially fill out a survey.
mrmattTmcmattman
What good are.more laws if current ones aren't followed? We have background checks, but no consistent way to report issues to NICS.
tomatopancake
Well actually there is a gun control Check where police and family can gain a court order to remove/ban selling guns to individuals....
Bluedrift
But he's not a "terrorist" he only has "mental illness". I'm not American but I'm incredibly furious that your government isn't doing shit.
MistressLyda
If so, here is hoping that as much resources will be spent on helping people with mental illness, as "the war on terror".
milotherescue
“Evil prevails when good people do nothing.” and good people are literally doing nothing. Pull your socks up America and change.
Username1010101
This whole country is in a state of total moral paralysis, on just about every issue.
biggwhytey
Because both parties self-righteously hate the other and refuse to compromise. They refuse to accept any common ground. We need centrists.
Comet260
It's been that way for a while. I've thought about leaving since the stupid is halting progress across all these issues.
CharlieWoolf
To be terrorism it needs to have a political motivation. This wasn’t political, it was for attention and revenge.
1101base2
this is why i think the definition of terrorism needs to change!
CharlieWoolf
Terrorism has a specific meaning, you change it, and the word looses its impact.
1101base2
Then what would you call an act of typically violence that terrorize people?
CharlieWoolf
Act of violence. A tragedy. A terrible crime. A mass casualty event. A destructive occurrence. An assault on humanity. I can keep going?
e4ter
I know it's the first definition you see when you google it but terrorism is not exclusively political.
CharlieWoolf
Yes, it is. Terror is not, but terrorism is, down to the origin of the word. It’s also the definition in the OED.
beepbeepmeow
Believe me, I'm well past furious.
RoboGirlSyd
This shit is so fucking sad. I don't understand how this isn't a national emergency for your government?
beepbeepmeow
Because my government is allowed to accept bribe money from the gun manufacturing lobby (the NRA), in return for their inaction.
CelestialDancerChick
Ditto. So tired of mental illness being used to excuse people from certain egregious behaviors. Some people can't be rehabilitated.
dirtyhelpdesk
He should not have been able to own a fire arm period.
cyno01
But if mentally ill people cant own firearms, then the mentally ill wont seek help because their guns will be taken away! -gun owner logic
iamthecolin
You doing yourself zero favors posting ignorant shit like this.
AceOfShovels
What blows me away is that apparently there were abundant and obvious warning signs and nobody brought it up. This was 100% preventable. >>>
FreemanW
By "abundant and obvious" . . . you mean all the other shootings and the NRA and Congress not doing fuckall?
Gradet
Umm people did bring it up. Was reported to FBI and FBI didn't follow protocol and did nothing.
HungLikeHorseFly
Youtuber reported him and a friend of his reported him to the FBI, this isn't the first or probably last time the FBI majorly f'ed up.
HungLikeHorseFly
Not to mention the police were called to his house 39 times in the past, what else can people do before something is done.
AceOfShovels
>>>and meanwhile, other places expel kids for *drawing* guns, like with crayons and shit. There needs to be a middleground between >>>
AceOfShovels
>>> "bystander" and "anti-gun crusader"
ReaLifeSmeagol
One thing you sometimes have to realize is, there arent just dozens of kids like this. There are thousands. Its hard to get them all.
AceOfShovels
I get that, my problem is the ridiculously disproportionate treatment of different cases that should all be equally threatening
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zemyla
This used to happen in Australia, but one day the people went "no more" and had gun control laws put in place. And the shootings stopped.
IamTheSherm
No it didn't. Before Port Arthur, you have to go all the way back to 1971 Hope Forest massacre for a public shooting close to this scale.
Endlessmessemsseldne
I hope you're not suggesting that Hoddle St and Queen St weren't big enough to count as horrific mass shootings of the public.
trentacusOG
That I know. Port Arthur 1996.
Robvp
Port Arthur was a turning point for you guys, props to your government for doing the right thing
ShoulderDeepInACow
Problem is half the American pop is crazy about guns and extremely arrogant.
CantStopTheNipple
This. I really like the mechanics of guns, but the religious following that some have without regard for loss of life is saddening
ShoulderDeepInACow
I own guns, I think guns are awesome. It took me 4 months to get my gun license and training , references, and back ground checks.
ShoulderDeepInACow
I can now own shotguns and some rifles, no assault rifles. I don’t need anything other than a couple shot guns and rifles.
situasia5
How did your countrymen come to an agreement after the Tasmania shooting? We can’t get anything done after 30+ mass shootings
portmanteau79
30+? try hundreds. nearly 300 since 2006 alone.
trentacusOG
2/2 Met the requirement for seizure. If I remember correctly that is... Mainly all Full and Semi Automatic weapons.
trentacusOG
A lot of people hated the Idea. Though the govement just gave everyone the finger an offered a small compensation for every firearm that 1/2
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KharnApproves
If Sandy Hook wasn't enough, nothing ever will be. Welcome to Hell, fellow Americans. We reap what we sow.
angelwkw3
We let the jobs of a few hundred congressman and a gun lobby dictate common sense laws wanted by the majority.
captain5
Exactly. These heartless bastards rather hold a gun and 2nd amendment to their hearts than fellow children.
mialynneb
They don't give three shits about the 2nd amendment - they care about the $$$ they get from fear.
captain5
Well I was talking about the passionate gun owners. I know NRA is all about the money
mercemay
I'm a gun owner & I think we need vastly stricter gun laws. I'd be willing to jump through hoops to get my guns if it meant ppl were safe.
GDSTEVE
Do you blame cars gor killing people?
mialynneb
As an elementary educator that has to answer questions from littler people after Sandy Hook and Florida, kindly go fuck yourself.
GDSTEVE
How about you tell them the truth? People can be monsters and they should fear bad people, not guns or knives or clubs. Bombs are scary tho.
mialynneb
BECAUSE THEY'RE FIVE.
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GDSTEVE
Also, your insults are uncalled for. Emotionally fisturbed people like you are the problem, not tje weapon you choose to lash out with.
GDSTEVE
Ah, yes, let's be more like England...higher violent crime rates than the U.S., where people are stabbed and beaten to death with hammers.
Cilvaa
Cars are rarely used deliberately to kill people. They are almost always accidents. Guns require intent.
GDSTEVE
So you would rather be killed by accident? Also, we are seeing more car attacks worldwide...remember France?
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GDSTEVE
Good argument. This is why your side is wrong; you have only emotion and no rational thought.
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angelwkw3
You mean your side has only emotion and its "protect my guns". I at least have a chance to dodge a car aimed at me, not a fucking RIFLE
KharnApproves
No, but cars aren’t designed to kill things. Guns are.
GDSTEVE
Yes, they are, which is why we have the 2nd Amendment; to kill those who would take our freedoms. Cars are a convenience, arms are a right.
CallahansLawRefutesEntropy
Really? Who’s working so hard to take your freedoms? What freedoms are being taken that an assault rifle is the only way to prevent it?
BANANENTONNE
Maybe the 2. amendment is not fitting to todays world. Situations change over time and everyone needs to adept.
angelwkw3
Tell me why a teenager needs an assault rifle? Why does anyone? For sport? The reasoning for owning these are pathetic.
zemyla
Freedom isn't free. The NRA's freedom has the price of our and our children's lives, over and over again.
ShoulderDeepInACow
“Own any gun you want for the low low price of kids being shot in schools, its an incredible deal folks act now”
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IrishCyko
Unpopular opinion, but sadly this won't be the last school tragedy to hit the US.
Olestra
probably not the last this month
rando84
We can't say we're "shocked and saddened" anymore, because only half of that would be true.
GDSTEVE
I thought a guy used the gun to kill people...did the gun do this or a person?
Scaramucci
Get the fuck out, you delusional shitstain. People like you are complicit in this tragedy and you have blood on your hands.
GDSTEVE
Do car owners have blood on theirs? The tool used is irrelevant. People will do evil things, and have always found ways to do so.
Scaramucci
The car is a tool intended to drive people from ppint A to B. Guns are a tool intended to kill.
notwhoutink
Ready to take the downvotes with you. A suicide bomber kills people.. We blame the person. Not the bomb.
SociopathicOtter
Pretty sure there’s no National Bomb Association. Pretty sure no one is lobbying for more bombs or bomb rights to right to carry bombs.
Owlberightback
You definitely don’t see people lobbying to open carry a grenade.
zemyla
Bomb ingredients are regulated and harder to come by. Or they would be if you couldn't just use a fuckload of gunpowder to make a bomb.
minepagan
I mean, if you make it harder to get explosives...sure, you can never make it impossible to kill, but you can make it a lot harder.
TheDutchSwedish
There is gun powder guns at the time of 2nd amendment, there is hunting rifles and then there is assault rifles
GDSTEVE
Quill & ink were the norm too, so is your freedom of speech limited to these tools? Write me your reply on parchment and send via pony.
Irishda
My freedom of speech has significantly less round capacity
GDSTEVE
Arms are meant to safeguard against the government, which is why we have what they have.
Irishda
Okay, you get the AR15 and I'll take the predator drone, we'll see who wins
TheDutchSwedish
At this time, the kings of England did not have large standing armies ready to go to battle at a moments notice like we do today.
KharnApproves
The guy did, but what happens when you take the gun out of the equation. Oh boy.
GDSTEVE
He uses a bomb or a knife or a car or fire. People died before guns were invented. Too bad teachers can't carry. "Gun free" zones kill.
zemyla
The school wasn't a gun free zone.There were armed security guards there.They couldn't stop the shooter.So fuck off with that talking point.
OaksParcel
Yeah I bet he'll shoot up a school with a knife
Owlberightback
Or maybe just take away options instead of saying “oh well, kids died, more kids are going to die. Suck it up.”