thebigbaka
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Crabs in a bucket
Apr 18, 2025 12:39 AM
thebigbaka
51705
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Crabs in a bucket
ShinyVulvasaur
I would have voted no. "C's get degrees" anyway, it's not like they even need the 95%.
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
Here’s an unpopular opinion.
This isn’t pettiness or greed but inadvertent altruism. By refusing to give a blanket pass this is survival of the fittest. We don’t run or hunt to survive but we do compete economically.
GravitySmellsLikeCheese
Personally I’m in favour of Universal Basic Income with guaranteed water and fuel for everyone. Just so you know I’m not a complete arsehole.
Megamastermetamememaker
Just stupid. Think only one second. And that is a prof ?
vissago
i posted this on mastodon and people are shouting at me that the teacher has essentially commited fraud
dasklaus
If the offer is real - if he'd really do it like that if the vote's unanimous - then yes, he would have.
vissago
pretty sure the whole point of the exercise though, was to out who was who, to prove a point
AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
E i dont want a person who failed a massive test to be my doctor
bingotown
I’d vote for everyone to get fed and medical care but if I’m working my butt off in a competitive setting (like a classroom where better grades equal better jobs later on) then I would prefer my competition not be rewarded equally for their crappy work.
llamasaylol
I don't want my degree devalued. I know I went to a university that is considered good. I know there are others that the degree for the same course isn't considered as highly. I am aware that it's only a few graduate hiring companies that actually look at university rankings though.
Gravitino74
There is a tale in Germany that is to illustrate how good Germans are at treating the other to something.
Fairy: I grant you one wish. But your neighbour gets double of what you get.
German: Rip out one of my eyes.
Probably a thing that could be valid in other countries, too.
xETM
scare me half to death
symmetry7
This isn't greed, it's fairness. The 20% studied throughout the semester and want that reflected in their grades.
BTW, if the professor thought it was better or more fair to assign 95%s, he should have done so. It is ultimately his decision. Assigning differential grades implies that he believes that is the right thing to do.
AncientTerror
Don't compare yourself to others, but compare to your past self.
RedJacketHero
That's not greed, that's spite
LegosBearsAndSex
Um devil's advocate, I work hard and study and am in the top 1% of a class. I worked for and earned my grade. The slackers in the class shouldn't just get what I get because "we should help others blah blah." Of course we should help others and want them to benefit from social systems extra. But studying and working on your education and grade is a completely different scenario as compared to for example we should have free university education. Why is this so hard for people to understand?
LegosBearsAndSex
They don't deserve the same grade because they didn't work for it. That is a fact. Here she is comparing apples to oranges. Where I agree is, again for example, everyone should have a right to a good education, FOR FREE. Once everyone has the equal opportunity to an education it is then THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to study and work hard to earn their grade.
mksu
E. I voted for the 95% because I think other people would really enjoy it, but I'd really rather just take the exam and get the grade I earn.
Shifuede
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
ithinkchaos
peoplewhatabunchofbastards.com
Arcanum3000
SomeFukinWizard
This is the most important lesson I ever learned from Doctor Cox.
trinxter
Experimental economics would call this "costly punishment" I think. Those who vote against the free grade are defectors. But I don't know what this "game" is called. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_division_experiments
OhIfIMust
Well, in a lot of ways, greed DOES help you, and you don't care that it hurts others. Citation: *gestures vaguely at everything.*
F1yingFox
Sadly, some subscribe to the belief of "its not enough that I succeed. Others must fail." Looking out for one's own interests is one thing. But some people out there enjoy schadenfreude, deriving pleasure from the misfortunes of others. This level of greed harms everyone in society, but they aren't capable of seeing that (or maybe they just don't care).
foampants
But even with that heartless approach, you also need luck. Bezos was greedy and heartless but he was also lucky to be born into money and connections and then was in the right time and place to profit from an idea he had. Think of how many other people are too poor, too stupid, and without any connections to wealth and power who are just as heartless and greedy. You just found the mass of idiots who keep voting for Republican policy.
MenloPart
The felon is a horrible greedy businessman, but he was born into money, and people keep helping him for their own purposes.
theskepticinme
If everyone get the same grade regardless of studying there is either no point to grading or no point to studying
drinkthederpentine
This
WellAckchually
There is a real and active school of thought in academia that there is no point to grading, and entire systems of schools that do not provide grades.
ImgurIsOutOfUsernames
I wish the subtitles were smaller, more off center, and visible for less time.
ErectileFunction
I would have voted no also.
69Voltage
Exactly
UffDaDan
What is an A to A-, like 95% or 92%? Those def real people must have been gpa hungry but shit, working hard in school and group projects where people put their name on my work, I kinda get it
SerialChickenLover
I learned the hard way in college that you should never excitedly tell your classmates that you got the highest grade on a curved exam. Especially when you only missed 3 questions and the majority of your classmates missed over a dozen.
sacrosanctt
This is an old anecdote. I've heard this story probably 30 times in my life, spanning two decades.
I'd like to understand the psychology of people, like this girl, who tell these anecdotes pretending it happened to them when in reality they just read it somewhere on the internet.
Why lie? Why not just start the story with "I read about etc..."
Tarmaccian
First, appeal to authenticity. A one-to-one interaction will be perceived as more likely honest than anything involving other people, because we expect people to be inauthentic in public settings.
Second, ease of storytelling. "My professor did this, and I did that" is easier to follow narratively than "the experimenter did this and test subject 17 did that".
Third, avoiding rigor. A published statement is subject to more scrutiny than a classroom demo.
dasklaus
You know, different professors can do the same thing because they a) went through it as a student, b) heard/read about it and thought it sounded like a good idea, or c) came up with a similar thing on their own. A lot of those kind of teachable experiments in class are not unique, and especially in psychology professors like to demonstrate stuff like this.
OrThatsWhatTheySayAnyway
That would require tiktoker (insert name) to undertake 3+ years of undergraduate study just to obtain the personal anecdote to parrot for views. Much easier to just say you did and get the views, lest it be unfair on the tiktokers who didn't study for 3+ years after all. Selfish greed and all that, as per the anecdote.
dasklaus
... or, you know, she might actually be studying psychology? Not everything people on tiktok do is *for* tiktok. Not everyone is doing the influencer shit for a living or plans to. And then, when they experience something interesting they post about it. You make it sound like "obtaining the anecdote" is the goal and reward of years of undergrad study (I don't know what that is, in Germany you finish school and then start your studies, and an intro class you'd have in your first semester).
OrThatsWhatTheySayAnyway
You've taken the observation on the widespread gaming of the algorithm using popular content, plagiarised and regurgitated, oddly personally.
My post is not about undergrad study being relevant for the anecdote usage on whichever platform, exactly the opposite, highlighting the absurdity of the premise for the simple purpose of a pop short. Plus about the sentiment and mindset of reward/gain for no effort (within the anecdote) being exemplified in the use of this popular regurgitated material.
dasklaus
"everyone who disagrees with me must be super upset and take it personally, or they wouldn't bother".
I hate tiktok and "content creation" and all the vapid crap, I'm just saying there's no explanatory gap here. You seem to think this is a weird thing to happen (and hence require explanation), I disagree - it's like a school science teacher lighting something on fire. It's a common anecdote because it happens a lot because it's a pretty standard demonstration.
captainfakeypants
Doing this blanket 95% grade would invalidate the entire university, and the university wouldn't have a leg to stand on in any lawsuit.
NussKnuspermix
Its a beginners course. Passing that is far from getting you a degree. You just won't drop out in the first semester. And if it ever goes the other way round, they can still pull back and say: It was just an experiment.
pixelsnader
It really depends.
Does the equality of have further repercussions? I want everyone to have a comfortable baseline life. I do not want incompetent people in critical jobs like healthcare. Everyone should be able to ride the train, but not drive the train.
When I was 10 I'd likely vote yes. When I was 15, likely no. At 20, no, but feeling duped afterwards. It sounds like a 1-minute poll, and even at 37 I need like 5 to contextualize, find the flaws, find the deeper goal, and vote accordingly. ☞
BornToDoStuff
its an intro psych class so they will either 1) never take another psych class and this one is just required for variety, or 2) struggle on future classes and still be required to do the work if they continue in psych (unlikely, if you want to continue you would study). Professors are not elementary school teachers, they arent required to help anyone or meet criteria for every student. The student will simply be hurting themselves if they didnt study and it affects nobody except themselves.
BornToDoStuff
People still chose the option that says "screw you guys" on a 0 stakes situation, and not any of the other options which would at least be much more logical instead of just vindictive or selfish.
pixelsnader
Because at a base level, effort and competence DO matter and impact 'the greater good' of society. But this one grade barely does affect society as a whole. And the lesson (equitable outcome) is does more good than harm despite presented badly. Ironically, partially because most people won't even think that deeply about it, which makes the example less shit for those who really need it.
The simple example of implying "equity good" and "vote no bad" misses so much. ☞
pixelsnader
And in the end, the offered solution isn't great either.
Why not re-scale the test from 0-100 to 50-100 so all pass, but effort still matters?
Why not give them a wildcard, so those who are doing great get a freebie, but those who had a rough patch during the year get to take that edge off?
Why not say "ok all that unanimously voted for 95 get 95, the rest take the test" so that the lesson is not simply heard but felt. (Answer: teacher likely does not ACTUALLY want to raise scores.)
voidmain
I was about to say that same, I understand the analogy that you want good for the society and a group of people will always screw it for everyone, but I would have voted no. Not because I don’t want people to have better score than me but because it is dangerous to have incompetent professionals, that’s why we have scoring systems, to make sure people can do the job (it’s especially critical in healthcare and mental healthcare). I also wouldn’t want to pass if I know I can’t do the job..
jzastrow
Sounds like a game theory problem
seitanicverses
I think a better example would be people voting on a guaranteed salary or supply of food. There are rational, principled reasons to vote no on this proposal. Grade inflation is a real thing that decreases the meaningfulness of grades generally and, in the worst case, may cause the most qualified candidate to lose a job or other opportunity to someone less qualified.
MonsieurRickles
This should be at the top of the comments.
JohnThatcher
Oh. This ought to be good. Please explain why, in a situation where everybody could have enough to eat, there are people who deserve to starve.
seitanicverses
No, I'm saying that if the outcome is food, you can make a more obvious moral case that everyone should agree to a guaranteed, sufficient amount. In contrast, it's not clear that "everyone gets an A" is a societally good outcome, and that people who don't buy into that are bad.
JohnThatcher
Ah. I read the second sentence in your comment as referencing the first, rather than the grade proposal in the posted video. Took me a couple reads to figure out what you actually meant.
seitanicverses
"This proposal" was ambiguous wording, I realize.
hovelhopper
If it was salary, I expect the percentage voting against it would be even higher. Just look at the welfare queen and lazy immigrant stereotypes. Many people are happy to resource guard if they don't feel like the other person 'deserves' it
seitanicverses
Yeah, and this is a real hurdle for minimum basic income programs.
RtsWillH1Mself
Is it greed though? Or just pettiness? You wouldn't get an advantage if you were likely to get a higher score. I'm surprised they ALL answered that way though. I would figure some would say "I think I can do better"
ChareAndFlaff
I think "spite" is the word we're all looking for.
bromanbro
Is it even fair to call it pettiness?
absolutezero182
In their mind it's injustice for others not to suffer/earn what they feel they've suffered/earned. "Why do they all get to pass without putting in the same amount of effort that I have? That's unfair to me!"
dasklaus
It's not just in their mind though, it's literally unfair. I'd rather have 90% I worked for than 95% I didn't, and I also think it's important to weed out people who don't understand the material at all (tests are often not very good at this, but they're usually better than nothing).
MonsieurRickles
Thank you! This is one of the answers I look for when someone reposts this gif.
alrightalrightalrightpartyatthemoontower
It’s an empathy exercise. Definitely some think they did well and can do better. They assume the others don’t deserve the grade. By the end of a semester, most students have done the work. Yes, some better than others, but it is just a last task at that point. And, these students aren’t really competing with each other in any meaningful way at this point. It’s literally minute percentage points. I see both points, but it’s telling of how people behave when little is at stake.
VodkaReindeer
What if you think this course is important for the students or their patients in the future and that they should retake it if they don't pass? I personally don't think so for a psychology course but I'm sure some do.
hashbaz
Anyone who thinks they can do better probably also know that a few percentage points don't matter. I'd be willing to bet that not a single one could actually earn a 95 of that 20. That's if this story is even real.
dasklaus
None of the 20 picked the "I think I could do better" option. It's not about wanting a better grade. That's the whole point of the story.
hashbaz
Yeah, I know, the comment I'm replying to said they were surprised no one pick that option. I'm saying why no one picked that option
dasklaus
I see. I think I disagree, though - the people with a strong sense of fairness around effort (and who have already expended effort, such that it matters) are the people who prepare themselves to get good grades, and are likely to be among the best. Not all of them, but if there's ten people who'd score better then some of them will probably be in that group.
RedOnDaHead
I just can’t get over them thinking a guaranteed 95% with no studying is better than busting their asses for what, a 97%?
dasklaus
They already studied. It's sunk cost + a sense of fairness. Like, it truly is unfair, to gloss over that fact is not helping understand this.
RedOnDaHead
How is it sunk cost? I could def be misinterpreting, but I’m not getting the impression that he offered this on exam day. Just near the exam. So yea some people may have started studying but it’s still different than if it was exam day.
dasklaus
Just some people? She's suggesting people are freaking out and feeling unprepared, so you'd think more than just a few have already studied. Or *gasp* prepared and reviewed lectures as they went, rather than cramming at the end. And I'm pretty sure those 20 are ones that have put in work already.
DougTheLlama
Or "I spent sleepless nights studying and working hard and I know Kurt over there smoked pot and ditched all semester." FTR, I'd take the 95
MonsieurRickles
Yes! 100%. You have to sacrifice time, money, and effort. Sacrifice. Personal sacrifice to get that A. And then your Prof pulls this shit!?! And suddenly, every slacker, stoner, and social loafer - that didn't sacrifice like you - blithefully accuses you of being greedy in spite of your personal sacrifice. This gif makes me bonkers.
Tenookey
"I won't guarantee a better outcome for everyone, because I somehow know that they don't deserve it but I know I definitely do!!! I must be better, have done more, be smarter, more deserving... how could I not?!"
Imagine if all those social loafers felt the same way too. This is why the world is the way the world is. Because people think, no, sorry, people KNOW they deserve better than you and you simply haven't done the things they've done to deserve it. Also known as, "got mine, fuck you".
DougTheLlama
In my specific example, you DO know that you worked harder. This isn't food security, it's college.
MonsieurRickles
Are you pro-social loafing? There is nothing more equitable fair than letting every pass / fail on their own merit. Giving someone the opportunity to write doesn't take away their ability to opportunity perform. And should a person be called greedy if they made personal sacrifice? No, of course not. And the whole got mine argument doesn't hold. And here's why: until I get my grade, I have no idea how I stacked up. But I would opt for testing because of my study habits, work ethic, and sacrifice.
Izdleve
I used to think this. I didn't want others to suffer, I just wanted outcome to match effort. I thought it would teach loafers to step up. I was wrong. It is everyone's individual responsibility to try hard, but at the end of the day, we should all just do whatever we can to advance all of society. Justice is a nice idea, but it's has never and will never be a reality. People suffering through no fault of their own is as real as people thriving who don't deserve it. Don't judge. Just help.
Tenookey
This is not about a entry level psychology class.
This is people deciding they are clearly fit to judge what others deserve, and would also gladly let the entire community get less (even themselves) if it meant those they judge as unfit do not see a benefit.
Please provide the scale of sacrifice and the gifts it entitles one too if this is how you feel
MonsieurRickles
I could be wrong, I could get outperformed i could be on a bell curve, and even fail, and then it might seem like I'm voting against my own interest. But should I pass an exam or class i had no right to pass because someone's sense of charity? No. I personally know it's wrong for me to get an A if i didn't actually work for it. Every last grade I got, I had an understanding of how and why I got that grade. For better or for worse. And I made do because it was the bed made.
Ryebread91
I wouldn't want one I didn't deserve to be honest even if at the moment i would thought it would help my score. I'd go home and feel guilty of it afterwards.
combatwombat0
But what about how the rest of the class feels? One less class to worry about in a busy stressful college life
potshot
The way I see it, depending on the university, the professor, and the class, it might be little comfort and actually give you false confidence. In the big picture, I never cared about my grades, I cared about learning the relevant bits and pieces and passing. I got unfair grades on a few occasions(not through cheating, it was usually bad grading having a loophole or being carried in a group project) and literally every time it came to bite me in the ass.
I'd still vote for the pass, but I'd
potshot
suspect it to be a monkey's paw wish, and I think it would do people no favors.
Ryebread91
I would be inclined to vote to help the rest of the class and know I helped them but my heart wouldn't accept my grade.
Tenookey
I don't think this lesson is actually about the grade...
Janeator
Maybe it's good unprepared students don't get a passing grade though? Just a thought.
BornToDoStuff
if its an intro psych class so they will either 1) never take another class and this one is just required for variety, or 2) struggle on future classes and still be required to do the work if they continue in psych (unlikely, if you want to continue you would study). Professors are not elementary school teachers, they arent required to help anyone or meet criteria for every student. The student will simply be hurting themselves if they didnt study and it affects nobody except themselves.
combatwombat0
It's just an intro psych class. Those are easy and not that serious
Izdleve
For intro to psych? What's the real downside? Everyone taking it for an elective don't have to stress over something that isn't really their line of work and anyone who intends to get a psych degree will have their ability tested more in higher level courses? I took an into to java class in college. I worked hard but just couldn't really grasp the language. I didn't fail but didn't get an A either. I have never programmed again. That pulled down my GPA and has hurt my chances of working in my
Izdleve
Actual field that I've never gotten less and a B in. Then there's the injustice of some who are very knowledgeable and hard working are just poor test takers or temporarily overwhelmed. The stakes in this hypothetical aren't high enough to warrant demanding "fairness" as though it's even possible.
Tenookey
"Intro psychology class"
bigheadface
Good luck getting that idea through to some of these folks though. 1/2
bigheadface
I worked for 20 years before uni. I'd've been pissed if I studied my ass off and got the same as smb who didn't know shit abt the material.
HeyHeyDoubleA
Sounds like you care a lot about someone else’s business. If every class was like that at university and it was an expected situation at the end of each class, that would be a big problem. But for one class with the purpose of it being a social experiment…. Yeah, you’re just an asshole.
hoorayespy
Why be concerned about them? All that should matter is your grade and the work you put into it, seems like wasted energy worrying about someone else's grade. It's just being mad and indignant for the sake of it at that point. Not every hill is worth dying on.
paulbloface
Sure, if you ignore that people are often in very real competition with peers. Even within school, things like programs with far more applicants than available slots.
Lowland
Maybe ? I cant understand I had to scroll down here to find a comment like this. Its completly ridiculus to give all of them a good grade. Whats next, surgeons who get good grades when they collectivly accept cheating. You study to learn, not to get good grades while not learning shit
dasklaus
Exactly. While I've had a couple of classes/professors this didn't apply to, usually, to fail, you need to really actually not understand anything of the material. Universities want everyone to pass, that's how they make money, they'll only fail you if they have to.
Tenookey
Specifically states "intor psychology class". These people aren't walking out of this class to become psychologists. Also, this lesson isn't about the grade or the class
marsilies
Except the fact that it's a class and a grade is critical to how the people responded. A class is literally one of the few things we agree is a meritocracy, where you get rewarded for doing better, where the grade it tied to merit. Deliberately undermining that triggers people's perception of unfairness and injustice. Not to mention that for the few that go on to more philosophy classes could be unprepared for them, and this teacher would saddle those later classes with these students.
BornToDoStuff
if its an intro psych class so they will either 1) never take another class and this one is just required for variety, or 2) struggle on future classes and still be required to do the work if they continue in psych (unlikely, if you want to continue you would study). Professors are not elementary school teachers, they arent required to help anyone or meet criteria for every student. The student will simply be hurting themselves if they didnt study and it affects nobody except themselves.
marsilies
The teacher is doing a disservice to the students and themselves if they let students not just pass their class, but get an excellent grade, in a class the students don't know or understand. If the grade didn't matter, why didn't the professor suggest everyone get an 80% ? Or 70%? After all, a D- is a passing grade.
coastsouth
You are missing the point, replace the good grade with healthcare.
LoquaciousDude
That's a false equivalency, the logic doesnt translate specifically because a class and exam is meant to be teaching skill / competency and then testing that skill / competency. Healthcare is a basic right.
marsilies
That makes a massive difference though. Everyone deserves healthcare, not everyone deserves a 95% in a college class.
hashbaz
Maybe, but that was an option and they didn't pick it. 'i don't want a grade I didn't deserve' is basically 'no one should get a grade they didn't deserve including me'. They didn't pick that
dasklaus
These are not equivalent. It's not about their own grade (they're confident they'll pass and pass well or they'd have gone with the free pass), it's about the grade of others, and that's the option they picked.
hashbaz
You just said the same thing as me but with different words?
dasklaus
No, you explicitly said "I don't want a grade I didn't deserve" is equivalent to "no one should get a grade they didn't deserve" and that's just not true.
MonsieurRickles
Yes I agree. The grade of others. Specifically the grades of those that didn't put in the time and effort. They exists. They might be a minority, but I can't abide by anyone getting a grade They don't deserve. Writing the exam is the most equitable and fair outcome.
BornToDoStuff
if its an intro psych class so they will either 1) never take another class and this one is just required for variety, or 2) struggle on future classes and still be required to do the work if they continue in psych (unlikely, if you want to continue you would study). Professors are not elementary school teachers, they arent required to help anyone or meet criteria for every student. The student will simply be hurting themselves if they didnt study and it affects nobody except themselves.
MonsieurRickles
Not maybe. In life, do you want someone who doesn't work as hard as you to get the job you want? The raise you want? There is a whole bell curve of people willing / unwilling to put in the effort. They exist. If you sacrifice your time, money, and effort to do the exam prep, no one could accuse you of being greedy with your time. Should someone get the same grade if they didn't sacrifice like you did?
WellAckchually
If someone who doesn't work as hard as me got what I want, but I also got what I want, then I don't give a shit. Whether or not you got a good grade or worked hard doesn't impact me at all. That is doubly true in the case of a grade, because the grade is useless and the important thing is what I learned from my studying.
BornToDoStuff
You get it. This is an intro class. Its not important at ALL who gets what. If you studied and got value from the class that is ALL that matters. If others didnt? Literally not an issue, its an intro psych class and grades mean nothing lol
hashbaz
You're missing the point, they didn't pick that option even though they could have. All they cared about was other people not whether or not they earned it themselves.
MonsieurRickles
I haven't missed anything. I dont agree with the point. What I'm saying is that the four possible options to choose from doesn't adequately explain why people would opt to write. For instance, my own personal reasons for writing don't exists on the options. There are def greedy people, no one is disputing that. But I think there's greed in wanting a grade you earn and greed for denying someone a free grade.
hashbaz
Ok? Both of those were options in the poll.... No one chose the the earned option... So what is your point then unless your just arguing to argue
ProppaGanda
Dude, it's a psych intro. And yes, I want people to have a good life even if they didn't try as hard as me. You know what pisses me off instead? That narcissistic morons are in power who believe themselves superhuman while they do nothing positive for society ever.
MonsieurRickles
I agree, man. The world sucks right now. I want you and everyone to have a good life. It's just kinda assumed that everyone is trying their best. Bc lives are being ruined by people that are demanding and receiving unfair treatment.
marsilies
The fact that it's a psych class actually PROVES it's about fairness and not about greed or narcissism. It's not denying basic rights or make a fairer system for everyone and making sure everyone has the bare minimum of support, it's about whether people deserve to get a 95% in a class they didn't study or learn anything in. People deserve a fair society, nobody deserves a 95% grade just for existing.
MonsieurRickles
This. 100%.
TiredBanana
Except greed is the only thing that actually matters in our world.
Society keeps rewarding selfish greed.
Capitalism is based on it.
Goldensands
As a Scandinavian uni student I wholeheartedly disagree. I am paid to study, no loan no debt and no sportsball sponsorship contest. You study, you receive a salary. That system and many others here are not based on greed but on good sense. We don't want to be surrounded by stupidity. Don't want a populace that's easy to manipulate into ending our democracy. We have a word that translates to "self cultivation" as well and it often used as an argument for these policies benefits.
DoctorCaptainProfessorAmazing
The USA is finding out that it isnt being rewarded for it right now. Greed is always self defeating. All it takes is the rest of the class not putting up with the greedy fucks anymore. Thats it.
1stDrunkJoe
"Greed is good," seems very short sighted. No one is completely insulated from the rest. When the economy tanks crime goes up. If health care is lacking sickness and disease spread. Zealots and charlatans flourish where education flounders.
cepacolusmaximus
because the greedy, selfish fuckers always seek the halls of power.
it's what democracy was intended to prevent, and it's why they spent the last 50 years dismantling it.
maincarrot
So the 20 people were from the economics class from across the hall!! And, at least 1 of them were from the statistics class.
BleedingQuasar
This is because we don't socially punish greed
ablamboo2
Not "our world." USA and some countries, yes; many places, no.
Bathion
Right, greed doesn't get you eaten like it used to. Now you get given more and put on the internet to make you more money
Rips4w
Greed has never not been rewarded. The only caveat is the power level of the greedy. Bigger fish and all that.
dposton70
Make the World great again. Eat billionaires!
Snuggelapolous
Diplomas do not list your GPA. Just sayin
unsmith
In a way, they can. If you graduate with honors (cum laude or higher) this will be on your diploma and generally signifies a GPA of 3.5 and up.
cardinal29
Summa cum laude. Magna cum laude. I agree with this post, but you're just wrong about that.
akafluffy
What do you call the medical doctor who successfully defended their dissertation and still graduated bottom of their class? Dr.
theshinobi23
True for those that can actualize their greed into something. For the ones at the bottom, it's extremely rare for their greed to get them anything good. They would rather hurt themselves just to keep others in a lower position than themselves, thinking that they're doing the same thing as the billionaires and that it will pay off for them in the same way.
SprinklesMckitten
Statues of greedy men get tossed the river. Good men get theirs polished
Vortexhelios320
Society 'rewards' greed in the same way that a rapist is 'rewarded' for their initiative with sex.
We've been fighting like hell to stop it (or even slow it down) for a few thousand years now, I don't think its continued success is an indication it is 'wanted'; It is a parasite within our own minds that we haven't figured out how to purge yet. I just hope it doesn't kill us first.
TheWhiteBarry
TiredBanana
Are we posting random screenshots?
Awesome!
Here's mine!
TapiocaMartini
And at the same time they are convinced it doesn't exist.
Grinch01
Its even worse than greed in that case its i dont want somebody else to have the same chance i have
MonsieurRickles
Ugh. Yes, yes, yes, greed is bad. This gif? This isn't greed. Be a student. Sacrifice your time, money, and energy to study and crush your finals. The coaster next to you: That one person in your group that didn't do any of their group work; that one that skips class; that one that asks for your notes because they didn't do any? Do I give them a pass? Is that the meritocracy we live in? Should the careless, lazy, or incompetent get an A? Now apply this philosophy to the job you want? Or raises?
ElbowDeepInAPoliceState
Watch it again, listen to everything
Clarifairy
The thing is: we don't live in a true meritocracy anyways. Neither in the US nor in Germany where I'm from. It's something we've been told all our lives but it's ultimately a fantasy that rewards those with a richer, more educated background in way that they can still say they earned what they got. But not every one of them did and, more importantly, not everyone who "failed" did so because they weren't working hard enough. It's a built-in feature.
MonsieurRickles
I agree. But I think everyone taking the test moves us in the right direction toward meritocracy whereas getting a free grade doesn't.
MonsieurRickles
How about this: would you consider it greedy to not do your assignments and not study yet maintain a sense of entitlement for an A? Profs get students to write social contracts / codes of conduct / 360 group evaluations all the time? Why? To prevent the lazy from coasting off the good will of others.
metroidmariomega
Yea this isn't something people think about. Everybody just thinks "I want it so I deserve it!".
On the other hand if most of her psych class was not ready for finals, I doubt that it was all lazy coasters, maybe the class wasn't being taught well or it was all just student nerves and they were all actually going to pass the exam (even if not scoring a 95%).
Also, what kind of professor auto passes a class where 80% of people don't know the material?? In short the whole story is just a mess.
Memaleph
Especially they are missing the objective of the diploma as a proof of learning and skills. If attending is sufficient and doesn't require studying, over the years the diploma will not represent the same skills.
JohnThatcher
Bullshit. Greed is the thing destroying us. The entire planet (and the US in particular right now) is being destroyed because 10% of the population would rather destroy everything than give something up. You are right that society is (currently) built to actively reward greed. It was built that way *by* the greedy. And look at where that has gotten us.
TiredBanana
Way to miss the point and then make the exact same point.
JohnThatcher
No. Your point was "Our society is built around rewarding greed. So it is good to be greedy." I counter that greed is destroying us. We need to tear down that society and build one that penalizes greed.
TiredBanana
I think i know what my point was.
You being too stupid to understand that and then refusing to listen because you want to argue is a you problem. Fuck off.
akafluffy
Greed is doing oh so well for the richest guy on Earth right now, that's why he has billions and has to lie about how good he is at video games, almost like greed isn't the only thing that matters.
TiredBanana
Almost like you completely missed my point on purpose
akafluffy
Nah, it's more like your point doesn't even bare casual scrutiny
TiredBanana
You're one of them people that have teached AI to over explain everything aren't you?
Need everything spelled out. It's ok to be dumb.
akafluffy
It's preferable to not be dumb
Rhythmaster
I dunno if you've noticed, but society is fucking collapsing. This greed based system is killing us and the earth. We don't have much time left.
ohgodthehorror
While I'm inclined to agree, I must confess that my family and friends are the only things that matter to me.
merrburr
Imagine that other people feel the same way about their family and that is something you have in common is your love for your loved ones and you each have a right to pursue that.
Awmph
ehh bullshit
you've bought into the illusion that the world of social structures is a real world
TiredBanana
You talk like a rich kid who became a travel influencer with daddy's money.
"Like fuck the rat race, bruh. Just live your life, money isn't real. I'm all about vibes and connections you know. You wanna come do coke in my private bungalo?"
Awmph
ROFLMAO!
that's wild
Awmph
we were homeless more than once when I was growing up and once again as an adult
idk if you can process that info in your world view or not
lol. kudos on your confidence in error, tho
TiredBanana
The way you talk is right there.
I didn't say you ARE a rich kid.
I said you talk pseudospiritual bullshit like one.
The proof is above.
Is not being a moron illegal in America?
Sheldonian
And it doesn't have to be that way. The powerful make the rules of the game to keep rewarding greed since that's how they got there, that's why capitalism exists and those in power always attack ideas that seek for the common good like socialism.
PikpikCeleriac
So we have to take away the power of the wealthy.
StrangerNum1
3% of the us population are employers keeping in line the other 97%. because we feed you, so shut up and keep working, or eliminate employers and do it as a equal work equal pay crap that you'll never go for
TiredBanana
Farmers feed us. Judging by your attitude you're a horrible employer.
TiredBanana
It doesn't, but because most people are complete morons we are stuck on a dying planet watching billionaires take vapid pop stars to space for 10 minutes while people are starving.
Meanwhile morons are arguing over what gender we should blame for shoplifting.
Scrier
And it's because we're socialised that way. We can start changing it. It's going to take time. And hard work, but we can start moving the needle on society's properties.
TiredBanana
This planet is a hundred years from being unlivable at best and people are more brainwashed, selfish and stupid than ever.
I have accepted humanity's end. I'm tired.
dposton70
That's your right. And boy, do I understand it.
But I still hope to plant trees, even if I will never be able to sit in their shade.
AgainAndAgainAndAgain
I Also feel that either money or power changes perception to many. I always feel that I would not do this or that, then again, I never had the means of money to do as I want. I prefer thinking I would not change…
Scrier
It definitely does in the big wealth circles, but again, only because we allow it to. I've always been pretty comfortable, and would love for everyone else to at least have this quality of life. Even if it means I can't get further ahead of the pack.