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Roadpie
You know what else they refuse to do? Make reliable products.
pandaboo
Who remembers the Fappening? Apple does.
Muffsnake
Anyone think "what does Kristin Stewart have to do with this" when they read the bad actor part?
MizzyBelle
Apple is run by aliens anyway lol
AlaskanWalrus
Go apple.
user31337
this is stupid and misleading
theNevets
How many billions of untaxed dollars did they make last year? Cheap Chinese labor and offshore tax shelter and now they want to be patriotic
AvielMenter
If it's possible to create and install software on the iPhone without knowing the iPhone's password, isn't it already unsecure?
Tenhauser
It doesn't matter what type of phone you have, if it uses a wireless signal it's already tapped.
UpvoteBacon
One thing they did not fuck up in present times. Chapeau!
CausticCake
So close, yet so far. Last two should be swapped
EdgarAllenPoo
I can't believe the words coming out of my mouth but here they are; Wow, go Apple! I've got your back.
MyFatBaby
The FBI is asking for this to be done to a SINGLE PHONE not all phones, the slippery slope argument is pretty weak Apple
GonzoDrifter
Don't be dumb
conniecpu
As someone who understands cryptography and cybersecurity, doing *anything* to weaken encryption is an *incredibly* slippery slope.
weaslor
Not quite. They're asking for the technology for this to be done to ONE phone, and pinky swearing to not use it on other phones. 1/2
weaslor
They're not handing the phone over to be unlocked, they're court-ordering a master key 2/2
StrawberryAlarmClock
Riiiiight because the government has never lied before and really is just looking out for the safety of citizens. Yeah right.
SunnySamantha
Not an apple user myself but good for them!
IronMarla
Or you could read it in a format that doesn't suck: http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/
MyProfileHasKittens
Like with sanders, love them or hate 'em, give credit where credit is due. Points to you guys apple!
Sqwable
What kind of data did Apple hand over to the FBI when they said they handed over the ones they had?
Polygrammar
Another thing is that if they installed a backdoor for just the one phone, whose to say the FBI wouldn't take advantage of it themselves?
AFineDayForScience
They can install a backdoor on my phone. They won't find anything to assist them, but god help the poor bastard that looks through it
Haxbrygd
Or civilians getting their hands on said backdoor software and stealing identities.
boomer0001
This guy gets it
HereComesAutism
If he got it he wouldn't have restated the whole point of Apple providing a response.
Aryn240
Why didn't Apple crack the 1 iPhone themselves, take the data, give it to the fbi, and never let them have their hands on the software?
Polygrammar
I think it's a point of pride. They're proud of their privacy policy, and to crack even one phone would show everyone they're capable of it.
Aryn240
Huh. I guess I always figured that any software company could get into their own product, but just didn't do it. I guess I get your point
DoctorWho10
Once that theoretical backdoor was created and as he said if it was just a code to input, I wouldn't trust a single apple device.
DoctorWho10
Considering I would end up using that code and so would hundreds of other people for there own use. Just imagine celebrity phones and
DoctorWho10
Their cards attached. It would be a challenge of who could get the phone with the most money.
SpendifferousLeo
... I never thought I'd say this. Go apple!
AndPromisTomorrow
TL;DR I agree to the user terms
daseffeff
"via Android"
Occasionalfunnycomment
WHY CAN'T IT READ?!?!?!?!?!
AbsoluteBeast
Anyone got a TL;DR???
rickeyspanish
TLDR: Apple better unlock that bitch
woodjoiner
US gov wants to get around one specific iPhone's security but will be able to get around every iPhones' security.
NotAPervert
No, read and it learn about the government trying to shit on your rights.
MyProfileHasKittens
perv
blobbycat
Shit like this scares me. Someone always suggests something with "good" intentions without thinking about the possible consequences.
HinataChick38
"Some of the worst things imaginable were done with the best intentions."
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
Until they stop tax evading 100 billion from the US they can still go fuck themselves
OGFZ
Why do you care?
boomer0001
Except they don't. They're doing the same thing others do. But why don't you get mad at GE for not paying taxes at all?
Codyak
Because it's edgy to hate on specifically Apple for some reason
Marvellous86
So you mean; as long as apple evades taxes, the government should be able to fuck us? You're making no sense.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
No not at all, I not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. Im saying regardless of their good deeds here, they can still fuckoff
Bbbrrr000ccckkk1
So you don't respect any company then? They all do it, Microsoft, Google, Apple.
BroJustDont
I think he's just saying this doesn't earn his respect, he's still gonna hate apple until they stop tax evading.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
Exactly my man. Their champion of teh people PR bullshit doesnt excuse the tax evasion
ShitSteve0Says
Some people just take the apple vs PC/android thing WAY too seriously
dickiedoodah
Oh look. Someone doesn't know the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
Thank you for the correction, condescending stranger
dickiedoodah
I wasn't being condescending. I was being patronising. There is a difference you know.
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
Thank you for the correction, patronising internet stranger
TheYotaThatCould
Sorry about the last one its out of order.
woodenrobot
Got a link?
AncientWeapons
Go into albums and you can rearrange it (with the rearrange images link) it will fix the post.
jawnnyrawten
No! You're out of order!
Verldemert
This whole court is out of order!
ItTickles
So unlock the phone and hand it back to them. You don't need to give them the key to do it themselves.
NotAPervert
You can't; it just makes unlimited password attempts possible to allow a brute force attempt
weaslor
Since Snowden, they removed the ability to unlock, they literally don't have access to the key. the only solution is to break the encryption
weaslor
and if that happened, it'd only be a matter of time before it got into the "wrong hands" (nsa/hackers/trump)
IButtIntoRandomComments
I have so much more respect for Apple now
JacksonsDaddy
until we all learn that this is a front, so iDiots are totally fooled when Apple does it anyway
Rotmaster
It's already been done years ago and still today it's another stolen concept https://www.silentcircle.com/
WouldRatherDrive
No. No no no no no no.
TechProJoe
While this is good, understand the reason they do this as it would result in lost sales in other countries outside the US, it's all about $
ManuDF2000
It's a win-win
roburtguy
how do you know this? maybe they just felt like doing the right thing
TechProJoe
They can't justify security to customer's outside of the U.S. or even in the U.S. which means customers and business will look elsewhere
TechProJoe
with these press statements
TechProJoe
Yeah right. Think about it, having a back door or providing data like the Microsoft customer data in Ireland debacle, hurts a companies rep
TechProJoe
(end) sorry roburtguy, next time I'll put numbers in front of each reply, stupid 140 character limit.....
TechProJoe
and common business sense.
TechProJoe
good enough or should I find you article links for this? All I'm trying to say is don't think any big company is holier than thou
TechProJoe
Outside of user data that can be used for selling to advertisers which you accepted in the EULA
TechProJoe
which in turn means lost sales, therefore it is in a companies best interest to protect user data and not provide it to other sources
TechProJoe
which in turn takes external income and reduces it coming to the U.S.
TechProJoe
If the U.S. pushes through this, expect data providers and manufacturers outside the U.S. to rise in popularity and usage
KuriboShoes
Until they cave that is.
IButtIntoRandomComments
Until they cave and I am getting a android
PirateRubberDuck
They won't cave. It would do too much damage to them. They can afford to piss off the FBI and US government.
KuriboShoes
As far as I'm aware, Google & Microsoft have already caved.
marvelboy
Nope. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-us-wants-access-to-anyones-email-on-earth-and-microsoft-is-fighting-back from last year.
lurkerlurkerluker
Sauce?
KuriboShoes
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/nsa-backdoor-mandates-lead-to-a-computer-security-freak-show-030615.html
IAmTheOneWhoMocks
I read it all, and kudos to Apple. Also, stop that USA. Phone surveillance is China and Batman's thing.
WouldRatherDrive
As someone who works in computer forensics and knows first hand how important it is to have the ability to get into a phone used in -
WouldRatherDrive
Child pornography cases, this is why no one in law enforcement likes apple.
dootdootfloop
UK top
TheOGPooner
Govt be like... Let me put it... In yer butt.
Rotmaster
Already exists Apple just wants to "innovate" https://www.silentcircle.com/
etang600
What's Google's opinion on this ?
A3VUM
Suspicious silence
etang600
You can erase your Android device from your Gmail , so thats a nice layer of security
iWontRememberThisTomorrow
I can almost hear the Morgan Freeman "This is wrawnhg.."
BearsBeetsBananas
I read 'wrawnhg' in a French accent.
iarecow
holy shit i lost my breath laughing from reading that phonetic quote
Agent
Aflong aflonkong?
batts
I find it increasingly hard to see China as the bad guy in a comparison between USA and China
IAmTheOneWhoMocks
Well, In the USA, people kick up a shitstorm when backdoors are revealed. In China, people dissapear for making shitstorms.
Perolith
The way things are going in the USA, people will start vanishing for kicking up shitstorms in the not very distant future
batts
Counter point: Edward Snowden
IAmTheOneWhoMocks
If there was a chinese snowden who went to the media about surveillance, they'd just not release it and poison him I bet.
CatsIsTheAnswer
China and USA are obviously very different, but I could name a couple of people that are paying a very high price for making shitstorm
IAmTheOneWhoMocks
But the shitstorm happened! China would not even flinch.
CatsIsTheAnswer
Hence "very different". Pursuit of cover and secrecy is a trait of every kind of power
eatyourmeat
Either apple makes it and understands how it works or the NSA will create a method they can't be told about. Your choice Apple
cmh0114
Ignoring everything else, If the govt wants it, they can make it. They can't (shouldn't be able to) order a company to produce new products.
IAmTheOneWhoMocks
Well there's also a whole bunch of legal mumbo jumbo surrounding illegallry gotten evidence if they do it the sneaky way
eatyourmeat
Not if it's terrorism related. Even the military can get in on that one
SchulzR1993
Which is a serious breach of 4th amendment rights, but nobody in politics (except some of the libertarian bent ones) want to talk about that
Bbbrrr000ccckkk1
Not in this specific case. 1 the terrorists are dead and 2 they're criminals. All their other property is being rummaged through. 1/2
GolFoehammer
So Apple and its developers has no problems selling you out for advertising revenue, yet to solve a crime, it's a moral outrage?
Ragnarok1030
Both are shitty, actually.
conniecpu
Targeted ads don't require weakening encryption, granting access to the truly private data. Nothing about browser history is private.
seerofsorrow
Yes it is god damn it. Because the data I enter into my phone is none of the governments fucking business.
GolFoehammer
I dunno, it's a slippery slope with no right answers..
CarltheMexicanWhoopingLlama
"Oh, unknowable universe!" -Ms. Chanandler Bong
StrawberryAlarmClock
If you think google is any better you have your head up your ass.
GolFoehammer
At no time did I once imply that, in fact, I'd hazard that between Google, Facebook & Apple, we're looking at the trifecta of unholy evil.
GolFoehammer
as far as privacy is concerned. Sure, people are bitching about governments, but most of humanity are paying these jackals for their data
StrawberryAlarmClock
True you did not, but out of all the comments I've seen it's mostly been android fanboys. I apologize for assuming. And you're right 1/2
StrawberryAlarmClock
No matter what platform you use, your data and personal information isn't safe. 2/2
GolFoehammer
There has to be a users rights revolution or something, because these companies are indemnifying themselves at our expense.
StrawberryAlarmClock
That is what has happened throughout history. Governments slowly choke out all right the people have until there is an uprising. 1/2
StrawberryAlarmClock
Then when the government topples a new one takes its place, who proceeds to follow the exact same pattern. It's human nature 2/2
RelaventUsername
I'd say there is a difference between anonymously taking statistics and targeting advertising, and putting in an exploitable (1)
RelaventUsername
(2) master backdoor allowing full access to messages, banking information, picyures, and a person's full private life.
GuyThatAlwaysSaysImRelevant
Seems you and I are always relevant
GolFoehammer
It's one thing to pull from a PC, it's entirely another to pull from a phone. Just read the ToS on your phone (droid or iphone), cont...
GolFoehammer
any "free" app you install. The permissions you give that app pretty much gives them free run of your phone. A committed entity (cont)
GolFoehammer
My guess is that the FBI is just asking out of courtesy, before either issuing a subpoena or cracking it themselves.
GolFoehammer
could feasibly drop something into a phone, through an innocuous app and scrape whatever is needed to steal data from a phone.