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CoarseAndSalty
That's a pretty open support of a holocaust.
EroticZombiePants
What's fun is that all of these companies are basically trying to have it both ways. As such, there will be absolutely no resistance if ordered to massive censor everything Americans see, but at the same time, they will continue to allow foreign countries to have their internet freedoms. It's irrelevant if Europe starts seeing the reports of mass executions because they know both the news won't make it back to the Americans and that the rest of the World will ignore it like all other genocides.
ProgeriaProstitutes
Time to stop using American software.
ModsSometimesHeedMyScamWarnings
Just a headsup: This is a bot account posting.
billymaditsdone
Well the majority of US citizens will never accept Israel as an ally now or in the future. Israel is forcing themselves on us basically and the oligarchs are ok with shutting on us on their behalf.
perlninja
And that's why the small European company I work for is now migrating off Office365, off gsuite, and on to self-hosted solutions at a European provider, because fuck all that noise.
heyletsbefriends
this is the kind of thing why europe is moving toward linux and open source
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
And also why its likely a good idea to move open source projects away from the now microsoft owned github.
astronomypictures
When the US wants something, international bodies become a suggestion.
EroticZombiePants
We openly denounce most international bodies' authority actually.
ATerribleArtist
I know it's been on the back burner for 6 months, but where are all the anti-jew "space laser satellite" conspiracy theory people that were adamant voting conservative would get rid of? The "liberal elite deep state" is using the "man that can't be bought" like a puppet ig?
ProgeriaProstitutes
It's not yet fully operational
blarkk
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/trumps-sanctions-on-iccs-chief-prosecutor-have-halted-tribunals-work-officials-and-lawyers-say
mairusupawa
amp link: trash
ourari
Clean link https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/trumps-sanctions-on-iccs-chief-prosecutor-have-halted-tribunals-work-officials-and-lawyers-say
Munchman347
I hope Herr Shitzenpants is next on the ICC's list... Tons of evidence and an International arrest warrant would keep the whiney shit from traveling...
danparadox
Oh dear, I can't wait to see how the EU will fuck over Microsoft. They've already took shots at Google and for every time they get caught the punishment will get worse.
Nim449
I moved to Linux and LibreOffice. With zero problems. Never looked back.
duktayp
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExajVsdWNudXhhOG5kcmEycnl2eWhpN2t6bzQ2c2pybHR5a2dlaGhldCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/138xg52sDwmNIA/giphy.gif
ModsSometimesHeedMyScamWarnings
It's a bot, it's not gonna post a source. All its content comes from other twitter / reddit posts.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Criminal-Court-Microsoft-s-email-block-a-wake-up-call-for-digital-sovereignty-10387383.html
Filanwizard
they did so voluntarily, corporations are not bound by executive order.
genericimguruser2
Should just revoke all IP and patents in the EU under Microsoft. See you later.
TofuGolem
Europe needs to produce competition for American tech products. I no longer trust American tech companies.
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
I just can’t believe there even needs to still be an investigation about whether Israel is guilty of war crimes, isn’t it enough that *points wildly at everything*
zHurk777
There Killing Hamas !!! - magas. maga spelling intended.
BlazeMarshall
It's probably less an investigation and more gathering papertrails and irrefutable documented proof. Sadly, pointing wildly in Israel and Palestine's general direction doesn't hold up in courts.
Spudd86
In a legal proceeding you cant just point to the news that says "Israel did x" you have point to specific evidence and say, "General Y issued order X to do Z, unit ß then carried out those orders." So you have a full list of every war crime and exactly which people did it.
myloveforyouislikeatruckberserker
No, of course. I was only making the point that (as far as I can tell) their war crimes against the Palestinian people span decades, so how is this being investigated in 2025?
Spudd86
They did quite a lot more over the last little while more counts, new people.
CoarseAndSalty
Maybe some of those dangerous protestors in Seattle should cross the bridge to Redmond..
AdorableBunsInLove
It's not the first time, the US never stopped lobbying and blackmailing international courts to stop them from even investigating their war crimes. This, while diverting attention by pointing their finger at Japan saying that they never recognize, apologized for neither paid for theirs. WHICH AGAIN, ARE ALL LIES.
Deadguy11
Financially for MS, wouldn’t be cheaper to give the orange blob a for real “You’re Fired” than continue to lose clients…
EroticZombiePants
It depends on how much they'd lose after Trump massively fines and sanctions them or just kicks them out of the country.
16KTS
Oh boy Microsoft.
ourari
This happened a while ago, but glad Americans are finally aware of it now. A few links with related reading in this comment of mine: /gallery/7adpCNH/comment/2463585599
afterdarkart
What if Microsoft just didn't because whats Drumpf going to do? Figure out how to use Libre Office?
chicharrone
This is probably the only time I've ever typed these words but: "thank God for the internet." If Donald Plump was president in a time-line without it...imagine how much MoRE he would get away with ...without anyone knowing?
RibbleTPibits
Yeah. Without it, this guys email would be fucked!
Nofoxlefttogive
It's a double edged sword though. Bad actors use it skillfully, some will even buy established websites to manipulate the easily swayed morons.
mirhagk
But those easily swayed morons don't need the internet to be swayed.
It's like with misinformation. Those who fall for it are the ones who don't need much to believe things. The misinformation is only required in order to fight against the actual information (and as a bonus they get to discredit actual information).
cryborg
The layers of stupidity! Microsoft and AT&T have been in bed with the U.S. government forever.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
And then they tried to deny it in a disingenuous way. "At no point did Microsoft cease or suspend its services to the ICC." They stood accused of blocking the account of chief prosecutor Karim Khan, not the entire ICC personnel. Which they described as a "process that resulted in the disconnection of the sanctioned official from Microsoft services." But they refused to say what caused this "process", knowing their statement was enough to trigger a wave of "No, Microsoft didn't" etc. headlines.
TomBrokaw
Oh like Epstein's process that resulted in the abuse of young girls? Or OJ Simpson's process that resulted in the death of his wife? Or or or
mixiekins
"stop hitting yourself" ffs these guys are bullies
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
'Sanctioned', by whom, for what?
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
By none other than twitler, for issuing a warrant for his buddy netanyadolf. It's so laughable that the wannabe-dictator of what has become a banana republic thinks he gets to threaten officials of the highest international criminal court with "significant consequences" such as "the blocking of property and assets". https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/imposing-sanctions-on-the-international-criminal-court/
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
It's even more ridiculous that a multinational giant like MS with headquarters in Paris and Munich, among other locations around the globe, would immediately comply with trump's every whim without having been ordered to do so. Just like Google's unprompted "Gulf of America" changes. These companies need to decide if they want to be internet monopolists who serve the entire globe or bootlickers in an increasingly irrelevant fascist shithole. The smart move would have been to pull out of the US.
SpamYarBlockers
Fascism and unfettered capitalism go hand in hand. They would rather support Trump and get unregulated freedom to make money, even if it requires some global injustices along the way
phobosorbust
It's certainly possible that Microsoft caved instantly because they like the taste of boot polish.
It's also possible they received a NSL and had to choose between compliance and the kind of penalties that come with espionage / treason charges.
It wouldn't be the first time big tech firms were put in that particular squeeze; telcos just happened to have whistleblowers out the method the feds used for data gathering during Bush 2: The Shrubbening.
EroticZombiePants
Google has long had a policy of using official government names for geographical locations, so in this case, it's more of a general ass-kissing of everyone to keep themselves everywhere instead of specifically sucking up to the USA over everyone else.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
They changed the name for all countries except for Mexico. It now shows as "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)" all across the globe (translated in the local language of course). Google doesn't do this for other local geographic names. The Baltic Sea doesn't show as "Baltic Sea (East Sea)" in the US just because Germany traditionally calls it the Ostsee. This was definitely Google sucking up to trump by imposing his royal decree on the entire world.
noReallyIamPrincessBob
The corruption reaches around the world…
MioTaalas
Maybe sanctions against USA are in order?
BlackHoleSon01
Bebe didn't want to hang alone for his war crimes, so he convinced the imbecile Trump to commit one with him.
I'm generally opposed to war crimes. But I'm a big fan of watching fat Donnie hang, especially if Bebe hangs with him.
Spanky93
I think you spelled complicit wrong. Microsoft was not forced to do anything. They did not speak out against the Dollar General Dictator before the election. Now they can’t claim they’re being forced to comply when they help with his agenda.
Zimyoumoron
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/technology/us-tech-europe-microsoft-trump-icc.html
itdoesntmatternoneofthismatters
Thank you for providing a source beyond screenshot of a twitter post.
holtsjoe
I'd rather have the screenshot than this paywall...
spankeyfish
...in case anybody is wondering why some EU govs are starting to migrate to Linux.
rowzdowr
As an IT worker, I would guess it also has more than a little to do with not wanting to update machines to run Windows 11.
a1b2c3Cat
They are in fact not, i see a lot of moving to "cloud" . City, national information should never be abroad. This argument is really not about Trump.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
I work for a webhosting company in the EU, serving companies, government entities, and end users. Since january there are fewer and fewer consultations without the phrase "Do you have a non-American solution?" being uttered at some point.
American software and it services are in danger of going down the Russian path: so much government meddling that no one trusts them anymore, and the only people who use them are the ones who have to.
mairusupawa
Adding to this:
HatBeardMe
(2/2)
Director of Public and Legal Affairs at Microsoft France, during a hearing before the Senate regarding public procurement.
HatBeardMe
On Monday, Microsoft announced the strengthening of its data hosting offerings in Europe.
This so-called "sovereign" offering will be available at the end of 2025. It aims to “ensure that customer data remains in Europe, under European law, controlled by European personnel,” according to the Redmond-based company.
However, it cannot fully guarantee that the United States would not have access to its customers' data, as acknowledged by Anton Carniaux (1/2)
mairusupawa
recording: https://videos.senat.fr/video.5460497_6847c70b82594.commande-publique--audition-de-microsoft?timecode=1971000
Trashpandafan
EU use of Linux, or reduction of Microsoft products, has been going on for a long time. To lower cost, etc.
Awmph
good
astralfields
Not just the governments either. There's been a noticeable uptick in regular end-users as well. People who just use it as a home desktop OS. If all you need is something to do emails and stuff with, there is zero advantage to Windows. And especially since the visible success of the Steam Deck, some PC gamers are switching as well because the majority of games work fine now.
Slash0mega
havn't got around it it yet, but steamdeck is indeed why i am comfortable switching to linux by the time win10 is dead.
JoeMalmsteen
Won't hurt to grab a spare SSD (assuming your system can take another) and dual booting. You can start working out potential compatibility issues and finding alternative programs for things that are Windows exclusive.
Elkarlo77
Just build a Steammachine: AM4 ITX Board, ITX Case, 2 broken and cutt finger, an old Vega 64 GPU (will be swapped for an RX 9060) 32GB Ram 1TB NVME SSD (2nd will be added) and i am trying bazzite atm. Runs like a charm. Cyberpunk at Ultra Setting for 62fps on 1080p (As said GPU will be swapped at some time)
Nim449
Dude, that's raising the bar for office workers. Why???? Just get some off the shelfer and wipe the Windows installation. SO. MUCH. EASIER.
Elkarlo77
Buy Lenovo, they are sold without Windows. I only said that i build myself a Steamachine. Only critical components: AMD CPU and AMD GPU. Btw Beelink Serv8 are great small Gaming Machines or a Lenovo M75q Gen 5 without Windows. But i just finished yesterday for my new House my Steambox Build.
FuzzyMedic
I dual booted with Mint for a while just to see if I could get to grips with it. Mint did pretty much everything W10 did, so I ended up binning W10. Distro hopped for a bit before embracing EndeavourOS. Not going back to Windows. No reason to do so.
Druidhunter77
How are games compatibility? I’ve been wanting to switch for a while now, and with windows 10s life about to end this year in terms of getting updates I’ve been thinking this might actually be the best time to
FuzzyMedic
No issues with any of the games I play. Don't take my word for it though. Take a peek at protondb to see how things work with each distro. I play things like Cyberpunk 2077, BG3, Stellaris, No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous.
Druidhunter77
That’s pretty close to what I play - but I’ll look to be sure. Thank you!
deidyomega
Steam has done a **great** job for game support. What I'd recommend is what Fuzzy did, dual boot to try it out. For a "steamos" like experience bazzite is good. If you want, "windows like" experience, Mint is a decent choice. I tell everyone to go with a debian based os (Ubuntu, Mint, etc) for their first go at it, as most linux guides expect you to be using a debian based os.
Druidhunter77
Thank you - I’ll be doing that then. I’ve been tired of windows for a while now
ChiLLeCheeze
I've been told Linux has trouble running some games because of anti-cheat software so it causes issues with matchmaking. Is this true?
soon
Serious question. Why does the OS matter? Wasn’t it an administrator that disabled the account?
Moose79
Bc fuck mircosoft
therealalansmithee
The OS does not matter 1 bit in the context of a MS email (Outlook) account.
Nim449
Let's put it this way, if one is the kind of person who choose Linux for their desktop OS they probably wouldn't even consider choosing Office 365 or Outlook.
Xenarion
With Windows 10 and 11 (and to some extent 7 and 8), you have a lot less control on what's happening on your machine. Microsoft basically deny you admin privileges on your own computer.
mairusupawa
You have no control over what Microsoft silently does in the "secure" enclaves of Windows, and they have access to the entirety of your system.
This is true for Apple as well. Don't forget Tim Cook went whining to Trump even before he was elected because "Europeans are evil".
Toqom
The truth is rich people are evil, billionaires are beyond evil
Nikolai5
American closed source software, what could go wrong?
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
The OS is not related to Microsoft, and is free and open source. If they learn Linux, they have control. You can be your own administrator.
AlwaysDownvoteDots
To unhook themselves from a US-based company.
Bobbobbobobbananafanafobob
Microsoft is moving to cloud based services. Not the OS but all the applications, including email and authentication. What Microsoft did is comply with an order to suspend an email account in a non US customers account.
The OS matters because as it becomes more cloud based, opting out is harder. OneDrive. Microsoft365. All of these services become tools the US could leverage against foreign companies, or force access into through legislation.
nullbr
windows saves EVERYTHING you do on it, mouse movements, keys typed, softwares opened, etc. Microsoft although is known for this shit has never acted partisan like that before, so yes its wise to consider options.
gesel
This. Wireshark your telemetry stream back to MSFT. So Much Datas.
JoeMalmsteen
Windows is owned by Microsoft, as is Outlook. By disabling this account, Microsoft has shown themselves to be untrustworthy for use by any government or corporation that disagrees with the policies the US is currently engaged in implementing.
For many people, their Outlook account is their Microsoft account; so their Windows login, their cloud storage, Xbox/Gamepass accounts (sure, maybe not THIS particular one for the ICC guy), etc.
JoeMalmsteen
Microsoft has shown they are willing to disable this if you don't bow to the will of the US government, regardless of whether you are in the US or subject to their laws and policies.
Why would ANY government, NGO, or not-US-based company willingly subject themselves to this level of control by another, particularly if there are other options where this sort of thing isn't feasible?
Neywiny
If the ICC self hosted their email, there's no company that can do that. Takes that outside, American admin completely out of the equation.
sjleegketting
Unless you deploy clouds somehow, even if only for webaccess and authentication, like AWS. I have worked at a local government in the Netherlands, and Microsoft cloud deployed, Cisco DNA, etc.
The thing is that to be able to scale easily cloud was a fabulous solution until Trump hit the scene, as most of the popular cloud services are US based.
As a former Linux DevOps engineer I love to see the move to Linux though. Finally a secure OS deployed. Windows is cheese with holes.
munkis
Trump has done wonders to drive business to the EU cloud providers. OVH, Scaleway, Hetzner etc
ChikaChickaBowWow
That's not fair to say. Windows runs on billions of devices and is a huge target for malware and rootkits exist on Linux as well. I can list the first 100 reasons why I dislike Windows but deployed in the right way it's not an unsafe platform with regards to malware. The big problem is unfortunately embedded directly into the production pipeline as the vendor in some regards can't be trusted and the source is publicly unavailable for control.
sjleegketting
The thing is the base premise of security differs between those two. Linux closes things until you explicitly open it. Windows opens until you explicitly close it. At the base Linux secures way better than Windows. Fact.
Linux is process based while Windows is object based. Windows crashes where Linux doesn't. Fact.
spankeyfish
It's not so much a migration towards Linux as a migration away from US software and tech services, Linux just happens to be the only real option.
imnotinthewitnessprotectionprogram
All hail the mighty penguin
soon
This makes sense. Thanks.
gesel
FreeBSD!
Nim449
I'm a nerd and even that is too nerdy for me. ;)
astrangehop
Does Europe even have enough furries to maintain it?
Dasnekones
Not sure about this specific situation but there is no excuse for any government to not use Linux. Using windows is just asking for problems and security leaks
rowzdowr
Linux can be just as vulnerable if you don't have competent IT security and system admins. There's also the question of compatibility and the cost manpower to replace entire legacy infrastructures that may not have a Linux alternative, as well as training users on an unfamiliar system.
Not disagreeing, really, more saying there's a lot of reasonable excuses to not use Linux. For a smaller govt, it wouldn't be a huge deal. For a larger one, it might be unrealistic to switch.
Dasnekones
Microsoft is already pushing people to migrate their legacy systems as it is. The point however is that Microsoft as an organisation can't be trusted and neither can USA. Putting your nations security in their hands is unacceptable. Apple is better on this but not flawless and had bigger problems in a wider system applications such as running servers on apple OS.
Linux means that your national security is in your own hands which is a minimum requirement.
Thisisnotreallymyname
Because you can't use windows without a Microsoft account nowadays. If they lock your account, your data and computer are useless.
There was a guy recently who lost 30y of photographs and files because he'd put all his files on OneDrive while he reset his PC. Microsoft flagged his account and banned him, and then ghosted him (good luck getting in touch with support). Always a lesson to keep backups on a physical harddrive.
Penth13f
The files we save on our harddrives end up on One drive without our consent and you wonder why people are finicky about using Windows to handle confidential files?
gesel
It shouldn't, but as Microsoft reserves the right to sieze any data they want for any "good" reason off your computer, if you're not absolutely confident you and Microsoft and the government of every country in which Microsoft has a corporate presence are sufficiently aligned you should not run their operating system. Obviously you should never ever put your data on anyone else's hardware, but everyone knows that.
Qpnao
Or do they xP
gesel
2000! I still run it! (offline, for sure)