That isn't so much a Karen, as just somebody that was trying to hold the spot. Now people have differing thoughts on such a move, but I don't think she rises to a level of a Karen.
Being that this is in Asia, there's a whole deal where people try to get hit by your car as they can demand financial compensation from you. I'm guessing that's what was going on here.
I would. Its slow moving, solid lines on the ground to orient itself. And its just angling a set of wheels. As far as automating it is among the more basic tasks. Pretty sure a high school robotics team could accomplish this with pretty minimal effort.
She's trying to reserve the spot for someone, which is considered a douche move by most all civilized cultures. Homeboy defeated her through the use of his cars auto park feature. Fuck Karen and fuck anyone that does shit like that.
No one tried to run her over. He literally parked his car in front of the spot, got out and walked away. As soon as she moved he hit the auto park and claimed the spot. You're a fucking idiot and where ever you're from probably sucks.
hey, where I'm from, smacking an idiot across the face is totally acceptable. means I can do that to you too right? and you can't retaliate, otherwise you're a hypocrite and culturally insensitive. right @FrankGrenadine
Where and when did anyone attempt to run a woman over, and where and when did anyone say that it was acceptable? Thick-headed ass pulling strawman fallacies out of other people's asses and expecting it to make sense. Sit your ass down somewhere and be quiet.
Bogarting a spot for a vehicle that is no where to be found is acceptable in your culture? Do you also pull in face first when parrelell parking where you live?
Nah, still a douche move in New York. And do you have to take the bus because you can't operate a car? You clearly don't understand what running people over looks like.
You can't save spots in a public parking area. It's first come first serve, and blue car was there before whichever vehicle she was attempting to hold the spot for arrived.
Standing in spots to block cars is not socially acceptable pretty much anywhere and is ticket-able in the US, and I’ve watched it happen.
No one tried to run anyone down. It’s clearly a self driving electric car, and stopped as soon as it was obstructed, then parked once the obstruction moved.
LOL is ok he will send a bunch of robots up there to set things up first. U will get the automated A-OK message to go to mars, send a bunch of colonists up there, and they will land next to a pile of smoking rubble that is the 'successful assembly of a fully self sustained colony'
I like that everyone backs in to their stall so there's less confusion both parking and exiting. It makes much more sense than parking head-in. Most Americans consider this unnecessary because they simply don't know any better, but in any service cadre like fire, police, etc., it is the general rule.
At my apartment complex everyone has to pull into a parking space. There is a law that you have to pull straight in, rather than back in. They claim it's because it's easier to tow vehicles out during an emergency. Obviously the people who made the law, don't realize that a vehicle can be front wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, or all-wheel drive. Also yes, this is in Texas.
This is a poor option in multi-level parking structures. The bulk of the weight in a combustion engine car is in the front, and multi-level structures in the US are built to accommodate that. Thousands of pounds per floor, 10-15 feet in the wrong direction can cause damage and collapses to structures.
Steel Concrete has the steel in it to prevent it, and normaly pillars are at the end of the bays so that it doesn't matter to which side the Engine is. Intrestingly it is much easier to back into a bay then to drive with the front in it. So the Architects must have calculated it that poeple may prefere the "easy way"
If someone is waiting behind me ill pull in forwards. Same if i am grocery shopping. If i am not causing an unnecessary wait on other people i will back in.
For normal parking, totally agree (unless you're shopping and need to put stuff in the back).
The one that drives me insane are people pulling through to an empty spot in a parking lot with angled parking. Like, site, now you can pull out easily, but going the wrong fckn way...
The reason I've seen people back into stalls is because the parking spots are angled and the people backing in drove the wrong way in one-way parking lot aisles.
Well, alsobin america kost of our parking lits have angled spaces and one way mivment througb those spaces, that are designed for youto easily pull in front dacing and back out once more.
It's not that we "Don't Know any better" it's that our society is built around the prospect that you have a car, and the understanding that out 45minute to hour or more long commutes don't help anyone.
Generally any sort of refinery or oil storage place will make you back into a spot. It is so if you have to evacuate it is a hell of a lot faster. Backing in is also safer for little ones. You have already seen the spot is clear before parking. When leaving you can see around the car better
I’ve driven a van or a truck all my life and it is infinitely easier and safer to back into a space. Plenty of crybabies have gotten sore at me but they’re idiots. You either have to wait for me to back out or to back in so it has zero effect on them except to get their panties into a wad.
Personally, I learned in my courier-van days that if I can back in, it's optimal. It's too damn easy to run shit over backing out, visibility is always severely compromised, etc. Main thing was, the boss HATED accident paperwork, so the couriers who got in the most accidents didn't last long at that gig.
You cant do it at The Wal Marts because someone is directly in your asshole the second you pass that space to back in. And someone is in their asshole too, so no reversing.
The spring & summer my mom was ill, I started backing into my parking spot, should I need to get somewhere in particular in a hurry.
A Google maps timeline pic showed my car parked nose in. It's weird little things like that, that make the memory ball, hit the grief button.
And I still back into my parking spot. I can always nose in if nature is calling a little too loudly, but I figure not having to back out in a hurry, makes it worthwhile.
You're either spending extra time parking or extra time leaving. It doesn't matter much for an individual person, and even less now that new cars are required to have rear cameras that come on when the car is in reverse. Emergency services need to get to the site of the emergency quickly, so backing in makes sense for them as it happens AFTER their job is done. (Or a garaging situation where they can pull through, though that generally takes a lot of time and money to set up).
I don't find it equivalent at all, because it's far from being only about time. In one case you are driving backwards into an empty box, in other case into a traffic and most likely with visibility severely limited by surrounding parked cars. Camera won't help you when a distracted driver comes toward you from the side.
I may be one of the few people who hate back-inners. I hate being stuck behind them. But I get that it's easier to get out, and safer. So maybe it's just a me thing.
Nope. Most folk can pull in easier than back in, and reversing into an open lane gives you more room for error... generally. And as noted, rear hatch for groceries easier to access, and people assume you are not taking the spot and create a problem loading in.
Yeah, well, in those industries they have to evacuate quickly. Backing out of a stall is faster than watching a fucking moron line his shit up to back into a spot. Americans think it’s a waste of time. Not just the time of the person parking, but everyone who has to endure their bullshit.
Many US states have two plates, but the one I grew up in did not. Insurance is different than the tags here --- they are their own things. Although thinking back, I'm not 100% sure if he had insurance either. I think so, but I dunno.
Backing into stalls is debauched and self-centered, you are wasting everyone ELSE'S time backing into the stall, instead of taking extra time on your departure
Yes. We should use the excessive footprint in a less effective manner, so that you can be clever about one of the many many reasons backing into a parking stall is performative bullshit.
That's how they do it where I shop. There's a sidewalk in between the lines of parked cars so you don't have to load your vehicle while standing out in the trafficway. It also encourages people to back in which saves time when exiting.
As a professional driver I fail to see the relevance. Please tell me you don't really believe parking head-in somehow allows more room to access your doors than the opposite way.
Not that it gives more room, just that it is easier when precision matters and there isn't much room to work with. Because y'know, they probably aren't a professional driver.
Practice helps and will make backing in easy enough, but pulling in is still just easier and plenty of people will want to take that extra visibility when entering a very tight parking spot
My company demanded that we reverse park. Then again, we also had a yearly 'commentary drive' where you'd just drive around with a safety officer next to you and you had to comment on every action you took. If you didn't take this test, you were not alowed to drive to clients of manufacturers. They even added gizmo's to company cars that would beep (and record) whenever you braked too hard. We made fun of it, but it did help to make you much more aware of your driving.
I wonder how many companies in addition to the one that first sprung to mind do that... I reckon your employer advice against divulging online where you work so I shall not ask, but I've heard the exact same story elsewhere. Is this training also mandatory to be allowed to use the company parking lot?
We were a small local company dealing with measuring water aquifers that was bought by a company in the oil industry. I think the reverse parking thing is quite common in the oil industry and other hazardous industries. We also had video's of people who had died on the job in traffic accidents, so they took it very seriously (advocate of the devil here: loosing good employees that you trained is a huge drain on your investment). I was never told about reverse parking when working for fire dep.
I thought it might be that. I worked in engineering for a subsupplier and we'd all heard these stories. Every now and then clients would hire consultants from a certain oil industry giant to audit us before signing a contract, and you could tell they were on a bit stricter regime than us inmates.
Shh. Don't tell them. They're so peacefully adrift in their illusion of righteousness it just seems a shame to introduce doubt into their perception of equilibrium.
Wow there are some untraveled people in this tread. There are plenty of parking lots, town codes, and parking garages that have rules against backing into a spot. I typically see it in the lots where the spots are angled, but have seen it in city owned lots and parking garages before. Literally just google it. It is a thing.
Hi. America here. First off, traffic laws are state and city level. Any city can have different parking laws. Second, unless there is a sign that says that you cannot back into a spot, that is absolute bullshit. Third, about 2/3 or the U.S. population live in states that require front license plates.
Some cities and jurisdictions prohibit backing in to parking spaces, as it can obstruct traffic and can facilitate "quick getaway" types of crime. But no state I can find outlaws it entirely, and the vast majority of the US has no such rule. For some EV charging, backing in may be necessary to make things reach.
I mean, just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean that plenty of us havent been yelled at or denied service for backing in when they post signs saying "No Reverse Parking"
Okay, so Indiana isn't the entire country, but it is a part of the US. https://wkdq.com/were-all-guilty-of-breaking-this-indiana-parking-lot-law/ and https:/">law/">https://wkdq.com/were-all-guilty-of-breaking-this-indiana-parking-lot-law/ and https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/state-pride/indiana/these-things-are-actually-illegal-in-indiana. As I mentioned, it's so the police can see your license plate. How do I know this? Guess who got a ticket for it. It's seldom enforced at shopping centers, as that's private property, but strongly enforce on government property.
"To park a vehicle in any municipal parking lot otherwise than by causing the vehicle to be parked head in, with the front of the vehicle toward or facing the curb or the closed front end of the parking space. [Amended 10-28-2020 by Ord. No. 2020-20]"
I've been in two accidents in my life. Both were when I was parked and some jackass hit my parked car because they were backing into the parking space next to me. One of them hooked Mt bumper on their tail hitch, and the other managed to hit hard enough to crack the fucking frame!
It's about mirrors. If your sideview mirrors are set for viewing the horizon, you might as well not have any when it comes to backing into a parking space. What you need to see is the ground behind & adjacent to your vehicle, for them to be useful in terms of backing into a small space. Mine are set to see the next car's tires. It also takes practice, yes. So if you do this regularly, especially if you've done it most of your life, it does not take forever, nor would you be "terrible at it."
Pro tip: Turn one or both of your mirrors down over you rear wheel so you can see the line. I can back into a space just as fast as most people can nose into one, and I turn a mirror down every time
I used to park in a parking deck every day. I can't tell you the number of times I sat there with three or four cars while we all waited for some bonehead to back into a parking space.
It's so annoying in the morning in my parking garage. Literally everyone is rushing to park and get to work. Then some slow person holds us all up. I always give them a stare down
You always need to go back with a parking spot; either in or out. If your experience would be they're bad at entering backwards, guess how slow and terrible they would be backing out, when you can't see traffic.
Backing out, you're going from a confined space to an open one. But, backing in, your moving from an open space to a confined space, which is harder without a backup camera or mirrors that are showing you where the lines are.
You're also going from a confined space without cross-traffic into an open space WITH cross-traffic & possible pedestrians/ children. And sometimes your view is blocked by big vehicles parked beside yours while doing so.
Backing in/nosing out is safest. You can look to see if parked cars have people inside such that you need to watch for doors or peds, and nosing out you can see much better
Correct. Never had an accident backing into a space, but backing out is another story. There's no cross-traffic when backing into a parking space but there is when backing out, plus one's view can be completely blocked by large vehicles, panel vans, dark-tinted windows on adjacent vehicles, etc. so backing in is the safest way to park.
That's not my point. The point is, if you always back in, get good. Same with all parking and driving. You're sharing the road with other people. Have some respect for them and yourself. Practice your skills. If you don't know how to do something ask someone who does
jaakkopaakkonen
Every time you see assholery like this, it's always in China. Every single time.
Schlumpfi
And then you come back to a scratched car. It’s not worth to argue with stupid, even if the itch is there. Or, if you drive an old beater: go for it 😁
Bladedrummer
Staged af
Jimmytheeel
Now that was a G move
kaijuuGold
at trader joes they used to do that until they put a security guard outside
DownUpUpDown
100% real not fake at all.........
Freak0zoid
Also not a commercial probably.
JackHL01
has anyone the name of the beat for me?
williewest12
"Suffocating" - Fatrik
JackHL01
yes it is, thank you very much!
martineb72
That isn't so much a Karen, as just somebody that was trying to hold the spot. Now people have differing thoughts on such a move, but I don't think she rises to a level of a Karen.
thebonesofmyancestors
Being that this is in Asia, there's a whole deal where people try to get hit by your car as they can demand financial compensation from you. I'm guessing that's what was going on here.
jaakkopaakkonen
This is worse
martineb72
People do that all the time in New York. Not great, but not really terrible
jaakkopaakkonen
It is absolutely terrible. You have to be a special self centered and utter asshole to ever do this.
Niagaran
I'd hardly call a car that can park itself "basic" automation.
Yasashii93
Oh it is basic. That’s why I’d never trust it to actually park my car without me inside and with my foot hovering right over the brake pedal.
jackburtonsmoochlips
TacoPoweredHelicopter
For new cars... Ya that's pretty basic now..
IMakeLotsOfReferencesAndRemakes
I would. Its slow moving, solid lines on the ground to orient itself. And its just angling a set of wheels. As far as automating it is among the more basic tasks. Pretty sure a high school robotics team could accomplish this with pretty minimal effort.
Flyvemaskine
And prevent it from running over small children?
FrankGrenadine
I don’t know what happened before this but seems like blue car was in the wrong
MansechsVonFisten
She's trying to reserve the spot for someone, which is considered a douche move by most all civilized cultures. Homeboy defeated her through the use of his cars auto park feature. Fuck Karen and fuck anyone that does shit like that.
FrankGrenadine
Totally acceptable where I’m from! And trying to run woman over is unacceptable in my culture but apparently acceptable in yours?
EmailFail
Are you an idiot?
LicensedAdHominem
No one even approached running over anyone you dumb fuck 1.3b bot with eyes made of rabbit poop
MansechsVonFisten
No one tried to run her over. He literally parked his car in front of the spot, got out and walked away. As soon as she moved he hit the auto park and claimed the spot. You're a fucking idiot and where ever you're from probably sucks.
CaveJohnsonHatesLemons
Hahah you self entitled little bitches cant help but self identify and its fuckin hilarious.
Whitebeardthepirate
hey, where I'm from, smacking an idiot across the face is totally acceptable. means I can do that to you too right? and you can't retaliate, otherwise you're a hypocrite and culturally insensitive. right @FrankGrenadine
jaakkopaakkonen
Found another Chinese asshole Karen
terronium12
Where and when did anyone attempt to run a woman over, and where and when did anyone say that it was acceptable? Thick-headed ass pulling strawman fallacies out of other people's asses and expecting it to make sense. Sit your ass down somewhere and be quiet.
Exyr
Bogarting a spot for a vehicle that is no where to be found is acceptable in your culture? Do you also pull in face first when parrelell parking where you live?
gronzilla
TIL "Bogarting"
PullShporttel
Named for Humphrey Bogart, who would chew on his cigars and cigarettes without actually smoking them. Keeping something around without using it.
ilovebigmutts
Your an american living in New York. What do you know about culture? America has no "culture".
FrankGrenadine
*you’re
HawkmanXLII
I'm not American, but I'll argue that what you say is untrue, and based on prejudice against that country.
thisisnotfineffs
Justified hatred of america as a country doesn't mean you have to say obviously untrue and dumb things about it
Bombaso
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MansechsVonFisten
I know, right. Dude is completely fuckin' oblivious...
gronzilla
Dude is a pro-level Karen. "TrYiNg To RuN oVeR!!@#!@$!$"
theredjuggler
Nah, still a douche move in New York. And do you have to take the bus because you can't operate a car? You clearly don't understand what running people over looks like.
FrankGrenadine
Are you stalking me? This is really fucking creepy
VinnieJonesDiary
Dude, it doesn't exactly require Poirot levels of deductive reasoning, does it?
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gronzilla
"I don’t know what happened before this but seems like [@FrankGrenaine] was in the wrong"
StabbyMcMurder
You can't save spots in a public parking area. It's first come first serve, and blue car was there before whichever vehicle she was attempting to hold the spot for arrived.
FrankGrenadine
You most certainly can. And I’m proud to be downvoted by people who think it’s okay to run over a woman for trying to do that
EndlingGer
Can you show us in which frame you see someone being run over? Seems like an issue with your source material there…
jamiedBreaker
Found the local Karen
Bombaso
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1djd5ZWg5cmJ6Z2NzNjRnenZzNTlwcDJzcXQwZWhkZWZ3Z3h6MXZrcCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/GpyS1lJXJYupG/200w.webp
chefsoda
Standing in spots to block cars is not socially acceptable pretty much anywhere and is ticket-able in the US, and I’ve watched it happen.
No one tried to run anyone down. It’s clearly a self driving electric car, and stopped as soon as it was obstructed, then parked once the obstruction moved.
CaptainThePirate
Account only a few months old. Probably a troll who got banned trying to be a troll. Just ignore.
CurbYourClassWar
Entitled Twat
StabbyMcMurder
Are you an ICE agent, perchance?
RuBisCO1
I like how byd is running circles around elon
TsubakiTragic
but but, Elon has given up on Mars but assures us he will colonize the moon. Some one, please, put him out of our misery.
AtmaDarkwolf
LOL is ok he will send a bunch of robots up there to set things up first. U will get the automated A-OK message to go to mars, send a bunch of colonists up there, and they will land next to a pile of smoking rubble that is the 'successful assembly of a fully self sustained colony'
GuyWithDog
Pest vs cholera
afterdarkart
If Byd was allowed in America it would blow our minds. I mean not mine, I see how good they're doing, and I want them here.
SavageDrums
They're finally coming to Canada!
afterdarkart
Glad I'm finally getting my Dual Citizenship :D
SavageDrums
Welcome!
NussKnuspermix
No thank you. I need neither. Would rather take a Cupra Born for half the price than all this china garbage.
RuBisCO1
I'm please with my Chevy Bolt for the time being.
GasBandit
Me too... but man I want what BYD being in the market would do to said market.
skibbyAU
That is a perfectly valid mentality, but you might find that BYD is price competitive with Cupra.
At least in Australia. The BYD will be cheaper, better equipped, and lower cost than a similarly sized Cupra. Although, IMO, the Cupra looks better.
Selfawerewolf
"I'm not buying this product on principle."
"Valid but have you considered it's cheaper?"
Are you listening to the person you're replying to?
skibbyAU
“Chinese garbage” doesn’t sound like a principle based argument at all.
spontaneous9
I like that everyone backs in to their stall so there's less confusion both parking and exiting. It makes much more sense than parking head-in. Most Americans consider this unnecessary because they simply don't know any better, but in any service cadre like fire, police, etc., it is the general rule.
RuBisCO1
My work requires it, but we are building analysis company so most of us have to run out to sites and most of the parking is company trucks.
BeaverOnFire
At my apartment complex everyone has to pull into a parking space. There is a law that you have to pull straight in, rather than back in. They claim it's because it's easier to tow vehicles out during an emergency. Obviously the people who made the law, don't realize that a vehicle can be front wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, or all-wheel drive. Also yes, this is in Texas.
thescarby
This is a poor option in multi-level parking structures. The bulk of the weight in a combustion engine car is in the front, and multi-level structures in the US are built to accommodate that. Thousands of pounds per floor, 10-15 feet in the wrong direction can cause damage and collapses to structures.
Elkarlo77
Steel Concrete has the steel in it to prevent it, and normaly pillars are at the end of the bays so that it doesn't matter to which side the Engine is. Intrestingly it is much easier to back into a bay then to drive with the front in it. So the Architects must have calculated it that poeple may prefere the "easy way"
MrJ0ker
If someone is waiting behind me ill pull in forwards. Same if i am grocery shopping. If i am not causing an unnecessary wait on other people i will back in.
Poppypoppoppop
It's more about laziness where I live.
rowzdowr
For normal parking, totally agree (unless you're shopping and need to put stuff in the back).
The one that drives me insane are people pulling through to an empty spot in a parking lot with angled parking. Like, site, now you can pull out easily, but going the wrong fckn way...
IFoldlyGo
The reason I've seen people back into stalls is because the parking spots are angled and the people backing in drove the wrong way in one-way parking lot aisles.
lpooptoomuch
I back in when I can, but a lot of American parking lots are angled so it's one way.
WitchIrkalla
Well, alsobin america kost of our parking lits have angled spaces and one way mivment througb those spaces, that are designed for youto easily pull in front dacing and back out once more.
It's not that we "Don't Know any better" it's that our society is built around the prospect that you have a car, and the understanding that out 45minute to hour or more long commutes don't help anyone.
holmestrix
Most Americans are inconsiderate and dont give a fuck about anybody else but themselves.
popeyeNL
In this case it makes sense as there is a walkway at that end. With double rows it wouldn't
Isthe4thtimethecharm
Generally any sort of refinery or oil storage place will make you back into a spot. It is so if you have to evacuate it is a hell of a lot faster. Backing in is also safer for little ones. You have already seen the spot is clear before parking. When leaving you can see around the car better
Andyloverofhooha
I’ve driven a van or a truck all my life and it is infinitely easier and safer to back into a space. Plenty of crybabies have gotten sore at me but they’re idiots. You either have to wait for me to back out or to back in so it has zero effect on them except to get their panties into a wad.
spontaneous9
Personally, I learned in my courier-van days that if I can back in, it's optimal. It's too damn easy to run shit over backing out, visibility is always severely compromised, etc. Main thing was, the boss HATED accident paperwork, so the couriers who got in the most accidents didn't last long at that gig.
rbudrick
You cant do it at The Wal Marts because someone is directly in your asshole the second you pass that space to back in. And someone is in their asshole too, so no reversing.
MADchemEE
The spring & summer my mom was ill, I started backing into my parking spot, should I need to get somewhere in particular in a hurry.
A Google maps timeline pic showed my car parked nose in. It's weird little things like that, that make the memory ball, hit the grief button.
And I still back into my parking spot.
I can always nose in if nature is calling a little too loudly, but I figure not having to back out in a hurry, makes it worthwhile.
AndyTheAbsurd
You're either spending extra time parking or extra time leaving. It doesn't matter much for an individual person, and even less now that new cars are required to have rear cameras that come on when the car is in reverse. Emergency services need to get to the site of the emergency quickly, so backing in makes sense for them as it happens AFTER their job is done. (Or a garaging situation where they can pull through, though that generally takes a lot of time and money to set up).
jakobbp
I don't find it equivalent at all, because it's far from being only about time. In one case you are driving backwards into an empty box, in other case into a traffic and most likely with visibility severely limited by surrounding parked cars. Camera won't help you when a distracted driver comes toward you from the side.
Saxytimes
I may be one of the few people who hate back-inners. I hate being stuck behind them. But I get that it's easier to get out, and safer. So maybe it's just a me thing.
ChicanoBatman
Nope. Most folk can pull in easier than back in, and reversing into an open lane gives you more room for error... generally. And as noted, rear hatch for groceries easier to access, and people assume you are not taking the spot and create a problem loading in.
Eyeetsass
Yeah, well, in those industries they have to evacuate quickly. Backing out of a stall is faster than watching a fucking moron line his shit up to back into a spot. Americans think it’s a waste of time. Not just the time of the person parking, but everyone who has to endure their bullshit.
somethingstupidandclever
Just learned that all government employees are supposed to back into parking spots. Makes sense.
spontaneous9
Yep. Statistically, it's much safer.
rezexelon
I grew up backing in because my dad had expired tags :D
madjo
In my country cars have 2 license plates, one on the front and one on the back.
Also, I wouldn't dare to drive without insurance. Don't like going bankrupt when an accident happens.
rezexelon
Many US states have two plates, but the one I grew up in did not. Insurance is different than the tags here --- they are their own things. Although thinking back, I'm not 100% sure if he had insurance either. I think so, but I dunno.
StylesRockman
Backing into stalls is debauched and self-centered, you are wasting everyone ELSE'S time backing into the stall, instead of taking extra time on your departure
MediocreExtremist
so that time argument stays the same. Must be very crowded streets where you drive.
StylesRockman
You park on the street?
spontaneous9
OK boomer
StylesRockman
Boomers are the ones that back into stalls
spontaneous9
No, those are fleet drivers. People who drive company vehicles, whose job has insurance rates that require a set of mandatory best practices.
It's called "Fire-Ready."
In an emergency, everyone can clear the parking lot in a very orderly fashion within seconds as long as no one has to back out of their space.
StylesRockman
Somehow I don't suspect the gif is of fleet drivers
Hemelsblauw
At a shopping it's not the best option, when you need to place groceries and stuff in the back.
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Hemelsblauw
It's an option when you don't have many groceries or big packages.
randomwalrus
Optimally, parking lots should have a walkway from which you could load the back of the vehicle. Would also keep people off the driving area
Eyeetsass
Yes. We should use the excessive footprint in a less effective manner, so that you can be clever about one of the many many reasons backing into a parking stall is performative bullshit.
spontaneous9
That's how they do it where I shop. There's a sidewalk in between the lines of parked cars so you don't have to load your vehicle while standing out in the trafficway. It also encourages people to back in which saves time when exiting.
Evenmoreuselessname
They have this at the Costco by me. The walkway is always impossible to pass through because everybody abandoned their carts in there
SidonisAntares
Plus they only do it for like the two rows that line up with the crosswalks leaving the store anyways, they need to do it with ALL the parking rows.
REOJackwagon
You've clearly never had to park next to a full sized truck
spontaneous9
As a professional driver I fail to see the relevance. Please tell me you don't really believe parking head-in somehow allows more room to access your doors than the opposite way.
zuken
Not that it gives more room, just that it is easier when precision matters and there isn't much room to work with. Because y'know, they probably aren't a professional driver.
jakobbp
BS. Practice makes perfect. I'm not a professional driver either.
zuken
Practice helps and will make backing in easy enough, but pulling in is still just easier and plenty of people will want to take that extra visibility when entering a very tight parking spot
jakobbp
I find backing in even more of a better choice in such cases, since you have better visibility when going back out into the traffic.
ricpaul
My company demanded that we reverse park. Then again, we also had a yearly 'commentary drive' where you'd just drive around with a safety officer next to you and you had to comment on every action you took. If you didn't take this test, you were not alowed to drive to clients of manufacturers. They even added gizmo's to company cars that would beep (and record) whenever you braked too hard. We made fun of it, but it did help to make you much more aware of your driving.
UneventfulLover
I wonder how many companies in addition to the one that first sprung to mind do that... I reckon your employer advice against divulging online where you work so I shall not ask, but I've heard the exact same story elsewhere. Is this training also mandatory to be allowed to use the company parking lot?
spontaneous9
Postal Svc, Fire Dep't., Police forces, National Park Svc., Ambulances, Military fleet vehicles, etc.
ricpaul
We were a small local company dealing with measuring water aquifers that was bought by a company in the oil industry. I think the reverse parking thing is quite common in the oil industry and other hazardous industries. We also had video's of people who had died on the job in traffic accidents, so they took it very seriously (advocate of the devil here: loosing good employees that you trained is a huge drain on your investment). I was never told about reverse parking when working for fire dep.
UneventfulLover
I thought it might be that. I worked in engineering for a subsupplier and we'd all heard these stories. Every now and then clients would hire consultants from a certain oil industry giant to audit us before signing a contract, and you could tell they were on a bit stricter regime than us inmates.
iamthemurray
Some people label you as a douche for doing it. It's literally just because they don't have the skill to do it too.
spontaneous9
Shh. Don't tell them. They're so peacefully adrift in their illusion of righteousness it just seems a shame to introduce doubt into their perception of equilibrium.
Swiggy1957
In America, it's illegal to back into many of these parking spaces. Pulling in makes it easier for police to run your license plate.
kickahippie
Wow there are some untraveled people in this tread. There are plenty of parking lots, town codes, and parking garages that have rules against backing into a spot. I typically see it in the lots where the spots are angled, but have seen it in city owned lots and parking garages before. Literally just google it. It is a thing.
spontaneous9
Bullshit.
Swiggy1957
You signed your name, but forgot to leave a message. 😉
evilspock
gablestout
Hi. America here. First off, traffic laws are state and city level. Any city can have different parking laws.
Second, unless there is a sign that says that you cannot back into a spot, that is absolute bullshit.
Third, about 2/3 or the U.S. population live in states that require front license plates.
evilspock
Some cities and jurisdictions prohibit backing in to parking spaces, as it can obstruct traffic and can facilitate "quick getaway" types of crime. But no state I can find outlaws it entirely, and the vast majority of the US has no such rule. For some EV charging, backing in may be necessary to make things reach.
Swiggy1957
https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/new-jersey/nj-laws/new_jersey_laws_39_4-135. ht">4-135">https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/new-jersey/nj-laws/new_jersey_laws_39_4-135. https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/state-pride/indiana/these-things-are-actually-illegal-in-indiana.
WitchIrkalla
Im american and I have never heard of that law in any of the fifty states.
Smidge204
If anything it's the exact opposite; most places in NYC you must back in to perpendicular street parking.
Northstar219
I mean, just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean that plenty of us havent been yelled at or denied service for backing in when they post signs saying "No Reverse Parking"
Swiggy1957
Okay, so Indiana isn't the entire country, but it is a part of the US. https://wkdq.com/were-all-guilty-of-breaking-this-indiana-parking-lot-law/ and https:/">law/">https://wkdq.com/were-all-guilty-of-breaking-this-indiana-parking-lot-law/ and https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/state-pride/indiana/these-things-are-actually-illegal-in-indiana. As I mentioned, it's so the police can see your license plate. How do I know this? Guess who got a ticket for it. It's seldom enforced at shopping centers, as that's private property, but strongly enforce on government property.
keebs63
In functioning states they just require front license plates lmao.
evilspock
New Jersey, or so I'm told. Maybe someone with first-hand knowledge could chime in.
Starcatcher1986
Definitely not NJ, not with that reasoning. We're required to have plates on both the front and the back of the car.
Swiggy1957
Tickets will refer to this: https://www.lawserver.com/law/state/new-jersey/nj-laws/new_jersey_laws_39_4-135.
evilspock
It's a municipal code. Red Borough, NJ.
"To park a vehicle in any municipal parking lot otherwise than by causing the vehicle to be parked head in, with the front of the vehicle toward or facing the curb or the closed front end of the parking space.
[Amended 10-28-2020 by Ord. No. 2020-20]"
https://ecode360.com/14164169
s680-22H.
Turns out many cities have this sort of ordinance - I found 2 in California - but it's certainly not the norm.
Hexarcy00
People who back in are frequently terrible at it, and take forever.
Exyr
As someone who backs in to spots or pulls forward to easily pull out they arent wrong. A lot of people trying to do it need to practice more.
DrBlackJack
I've been in two accidents in my life. Both were when I was parked and some jackass hit my parked car because they were backing into the parking space next to me. One of them hooked Mt bumper on their tail hitch, and the other managed to hit hard enough to crack the fucking frame!
spontaneous9
It's about mirrors.
If your sideview mirrors are set for viewing the horizon, you might as well not have any when it comes to backing into a parking space. What you need to see is the ground behind & adjacent to your vehicle, for them to be useful in terms of backing into a small space. Mine are set to see the next car's tires.
It also takes practice, yes. So if you do this regularly, especially if you've done it most of your life, it does not take forever, nor would you be "terrible at it."
Hexarcy00
Great, please explain this to every driver at my local grocery store
gablestout
Pro tip: Turn one or both of your mirrors down over you rear wheel so you can see the line.
I can back into a space just as fast as most people can nose into one, and I turn a mirror down every time
DeepFriedAndSanctified
I used to park in a parking deck every day. I can't tell you the number of times I sat there with three or four cars while we all waited for some bonehead to back into a parking space.
Hexarcy00
It's so annoying in the morning in my parking garage. Literally everyone is rushing to park and get to work. Then some slow person holds us all up. I always give them a stare down
throwawayBert
You always need to go back with a parking spot; either in or out. If your experience would be they're bad at entering backwards, guess how slow and terrible they would be backing out, when you can't see traffic.
gablestout
Backing out, you're going from a confined space to an open one. But, backing in, your moving from an open space to a confined space, which is harder without a backup camera or mirrors that are showing you where the lines are.
spontaneous9
You're also going from a confined space without cross-traffic into an open space WITH cross-traffic & possible pedestrians/ children. And sometimes your view is blocked by big vehicles parked beside yours while doing so.
So which one is safer?
gablestout
Backing in/nosing out is safest.
You can look to see if parked cars have people inside such that you need to watch for doors or peds, and nosing out you can see much better
HorseDeepInADragon
People who back *out* are frequently terrible at it, and take forever. At least backing in is safer (statistically).
spontaneous9
Correct. Never had an accident backing into a space, but backing out is another story.
There's no cross-traffic when backing into a parking space but there is when backing out, plus one's view can be completely blocked by large vehicles, panel vans, dark-tinted windows on adjacent vehicles, etc. so backing in is the safest way to park.
Hexarcy00
That's not my point. The point is, if you always back in, get good. Same with all parking and driving. You're sharing the road with other people. Have some respect for them and yourself. Practice your skills. If you don't know how to do something ask someone who does