Jun 19, 2020 3:27 PM
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realBigDill
Hail satan
Bancroft87
They did make statues of satan, and they were sexy as fuck
dahDebil
Look.. I tried to recruit the guy.. He went into publishing..
ballpeenX
But........Satan is not a historical figure. He is alive now and seeks to turn all away from God.
pullingsaiyantails
We do have statues of satan though.
walaishy
Every traitor and terrorist is somebody else's hero.
sauronater
The Church of Satan seems to have a lot of good people in it, from what I've read. Oddly more Christian than many Christians lol
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
The church of Satan actually has some damn good rules to live by
DevilsAdvocater
I like the idea I heard where we take them and put them in a museum.. and explain why they had statues and why they were put in a museum and
how we grew as a society.
seenunseen
Satan killed 1 person in the bible..god on the other hand slaughtered..i'll stick with satan
EroticZombiePants
Who did Satan actually kill other than Job's family at God's approval?
Eidodk
The old testament God is best compared to a pre-pubescent psychopath with an ant farm, while Satan almost seem saintly. 2 million against 10
shadowkit13
To my understanding a lot of the Confederate statues were put up to terrify the newly freed slaves.
ACSwineburne
The majority of them were put up in the 20th century.
A large portion of them went up during the Jim Crow Laws era.
cousteau
There's one of those in Madrid in a park. Placed at exactly 666 m above sea level, too.
PistonPrincess
Fountain of the Fallen Angel. Wicked cool.
Yep! That one.
nonCanadianGoose
Then again who thought that when the 2nd coming of Christ occurs, he’s going to want to see a bunch of crosses
idonthavetimeforthiseither
He's definitely gonna look cross eyed at the Italians.
CadoInPDX
They pulled down a statue of Jefferson and Washington in my city this week
frozentoastbread
Funny how no one has replied to your comment yet. (apart from me)
CyanideBreathMint
Kube420
It's kind of ironic because Satan isn't the one that condones slavery in the Bible
InboxMeYourGoldenRetrievers
It needs to be clarified, not everything in the Bible is spiritual proclamation. The Bible is also a history book, a census, geography and
Is it though?
Geneaology book. It tells of how things were, not necessarily how things should be. Not every scripture at least
AMFMAN
Fair enough but there's nothing wrong with putting all that stuff in a museum where we can be reminded all the same
Cpthornswoggler
“That which will not bend, must break, and that which can be destroyed by truth should never be spared its demise. It is done, hail Satan,”
gr1mk1ng
Isn't "traitor and terrorist" subjected to who won in history
MassDriverOmega
Yes
newsguycraigevans
Then they should have fought harder.
Sigge1981
History is written by the victor, after all.
phobos535
There ARE statues of lucifer, though. Context matters. Dont depict him as the goid guy, simple
beccerz777
Was about to mention that
FeloniousMonk13
Damn ima start lobbying for more satan statues
Onlyforthiscomment
Why dont they just move everything to a civil war museum.
freckledkink
That's what I, and many other southerners, think should be done. The majority of them, though, were made cheaply, and are of no historic
Value. They aren't in the person's hometown or where a battle was fought, and are nothing but "glory" symbols. Unfortunately, the dumbasses
Are the loudest and will make the best news, so that's what's being told the most. The MS state flag and many statues are being removed from
Several cities and universities across our state, and I'm sure more will follow.
JustforKicks5350
Because there’s literally around 1500 of them, they’re cheap mass produced statues, and many are the same.
jaguar5hark
NO this is a terrible analogy. Comparing contemporaneously respected yet flawed humans to SATAN?? Are we being serious or just trolling?
Mediathug
“Metaphor”. “Analogy”.
Metatality
Yeah, the satan statues are way sexier.
PaladinAstro
Was Lucifer not contemporaneously respected yet flawed? He did lead a rebellion. People today even seem to think he had a point.
Attaroo
Virtually everyone opposed to the statues coming down believes in the Lost Cause narrative that the Confederacy was morally upstanding.
leodavinci1
Horseshit!
Which, of course, makes them fucking idiots.
Starfox5
It makes them evil scumbags, not just idiots.
PatrikLilja
Does anyone know where I can read about what the common soldiers of both sides were thinking, what did they think they fought for? 1/x
end 2/2
drunkenvalley
I don't think the average statue in question is dedicated to the common soldier.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Are they tearing them down or voting to remove them? Big difference between the two methods.
Is there, really? One side are heavily suppressed minorities who are unheard at the voting booth, the other are white people in power.
If you tear them down, it's seen as an attack on the culture of the majority who will then double down.
...and? Is this a situation that can continue without an actual confrontation at a certain point?
It should all be done politically.
Since the Lord approves of slavery it is morally acceptable to own slaves - southern Christians
ArchangelTitus
Not American, I disagree with statues being destroyed as they have artistic value. Put them in place that have info on what they did wrong
Agreed the one that was made by a true artist must stay:
UnhelpfulMoth
This is one of the best statues I've ever seen. Right up there with the Ronaldo one.
VintageData
How about we ship every last one of them to a field in Alabama & let the local KKK chapter set up a racist statue petting zoo? I don’t /1
really mind keeping the statues around, but I have a problem with displaying them in public!squares, by government buildings, parks etc. /2
Aye and as I said, place them in an area for people to visit. Somewhere that displays them along side the disgusting history.
but allow the artistic work to be around. We don't commision stone carved statues for example as much anymore. They need to be preserved so
that later generations can observe them and learn from the way it was formed.
BishopBB
I find it hard to believe that there are so few statues in the world that we need to preserve these few Confederate monuments. Not buying it
Art is important. When I look at a statue I rarely actually look up who it is or the history. However I do look at the artist skill. We
Ghostwish
@Drunkenvalley has the right of it. And also, they were in HIGHLY public places as well. Parks, roadways, even some schools.
RobBobertyYT
I agree they should be in a museum with information about the subject, good and bad. But I don't blame them for destroying them.
Museum and art galleries aren't sprinting to fetch them. Most already have a surplus of this shit, and it doesn't say much on its own.
Most of them don't have artistic value - they're literally cheap and mass-produced.
...and neither museums nor galleries want them.
Probably because they are worried that people will come in and try to destroy it...
No, probably because the statues are virtually worthless, mass-produced junk.
No. Tear down that racist propaganda.
Ballocks, it is not racist propaganda if you provide information to the public about what they did. The brutality of their history. That is
informative and helps humans evolve, not to repeat history again.
We don't need statues being neutral or positive towards evils to do that. Tear them down. Replace them with something accurate.
LoudBirb
Those statues weren't put up for the sake of "art":
Christ, I did not say they were put up for art. I said THEY HAVE ARTISTIC VALUE. Ignore who they are of, actually look at the art. They
commissioned an artist to make something quite remarkable. As a non american I do not give a crap about the person they are of. It is the
artist value they have which should not be destroyed. You don't just erase your past.
So when do we get to visit the Hall of Hitler? Yes, what they are of is of course vitally important. Even beyond that, the vast majority
are mass produced, with no intrinsic value, and were put up solely to propagandize white supremacy. A couple dozen of the 1000+ can go to
slowcookedham
I think you underestimate how many Americans currently revere the meaning behind the statues. I understand your stance about art as a higher
idea, but it isn't relevant to the current context. There are human feelings towards these statues; art and the material world can't be
exclusive from each other. It isn't just a small radical cult of Americans. It is a vast population of people that believe in a rogue state,
slavery, and are literally against equal rights for anyone else. Again, I understand your stance on artistic value. But these people are
mydickishoney
hail satan
Rodka209
Nema.
YeahWhateverStuffThangs
v
scryguy6
Well done! Hail Mr. Satan!
FrenziiTheSuccubus
QuickdrawTheOutlaw
Hail Santa
nalananda
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TotallyNotASnail
Hail Satan rain Satan, 70% chance of precipisatan
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
the best ever death metal band out of Denton / will in time both outpace and outlive you
ButterLube
This is not Satan it is Lucifer.
Akyan
hitanalas
My name is finally relevant
retiredgumball
HAIL GEIN!
slaughterhouse4andahalf
Megustalations!!!!!
boldly
Hail yourself!
LadyClio
Megustalations
Idoitallforthecookies
Megustalations!
hiyesthisissatan
I approve.
Hail cthulu
patrickwd101
I don’t want to jinx is but I love that hail Cthulhu is the one with no downvotes! Something we can all agree on
MaybeIllDisappear
Ia ia Cthulhu*! Ia ia Nyarlathotep!
hairytrigga
Satan punishes bad people and listens to metal so is he truly a bad guy?
Why do you think we worship him
Satan accepts all of God's unwanted children.
licmasack
Milton - “Paradise Lost”
RexNihil
I always figured he got the shit job because he sassed Daddy
AnonKneeMoose
pretty much it
0BothersGiven
SilentScreamsX
He also killed way less innocent people than God.
KolgrimLang
Multiple Bible sources (Jesus, Peter, etc.) say he tries to get people into Hell, so that’s a red flag.
pistachio0506
I love to study the bible and the God who wrote it, which is why I do so much research. Hebrew sheohl and Greek haides and gehenna. have fun
Correct! Learned that during my 3 Greek and 2 Hebrew classes getting my M. Div. before I was ordained. Grace and peace.
DeltaAlphaNu
That's so metal, dude
fiddlewheelx
He doesn't punish sinners though, Lucifer is the original prisoner of hell, while Satan is an Angel designed to bring people to sin.
Lucifer is the Lightbringer. A fallen angel, whose task is to rule the realm of Hell.
thefrenchpirate2000
Satan’s name means accuser. He is literally that asshole prosecutor who imprisons poor minorities on technicalities
Sherlock89
Have you seen Jesus' hair? If he doesn't listen to metal I'd be shocked. Plus the whole hanging out with the outcasts, and whipping the fake
Judging purely by the hair, I'd say it's more grunge or stoner.
Stoner would explain the making water into wine and the multipling of the snacks. Grunge is a dead genre so that works.
Let's just say he likes rock?
I can get behind that sentiment
highstream
Satan's not the warden, he's another prisoner
Prisoner warden/ruler
TheCyberGoblin
He's like... the head of the most dangerous gang in the prison
VillainVillain
Even the best criminal will rot with the lowest criminal, though the best criminals are probably free right now
quade
The Germans put up some memorials for Nazis; not to glorify them, but to remember that German citizens died for terrible causes.
APairofDocks
It is not wrong to remember dead soldiers. It is wrong to glorify what they died fighting for if it was bullshit. I feel that way about 1/2
Nazis, the Confederates, but also Vietnam. I've never seen people try to use the VN War Memorial to glorify that stupid war
lookitupyourself
They lost their family. So a mourning of that
odinsravenscloaca
That’s totally different. There are laws against using Nazi salutes and racist language against Jews. In the US people just feel emboldened.
override367
How many southern monuments devoted to slaves, family seperation, etc are there
impatientazn
I hope the US doesn't have to go through what Germany did to become a better society.
aPokal
We got monuments for soldiers. Not generals. And usually include WW1.
BossKnight1
Germany doesn't have "Nazi" statues or memorials. The National Socialism memorial is for the victims, not the army.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Most important: those memorials are about the victims, not the perpetrators.
pcloppenbursch
No, we put up memorials for the victims. And for the soldiers the stones say "in rememberence of the dead, to warn the living"
Ellipirell
Unfortunately it doesn’t say the second part on every memorial. I wish it would though.
dewifb
It's sad that we've got so used to such complete, barefaced, counterfactual LIES as this, from the kinda people that defend the statues.
ForboJack
We have memorials to remember those who had to suffer. You won't see a Nazi statue in Germany in a public place.
Large memorial sites are important as long as the context is clear.
CarlottaVonSprockett
I would also venture to guess that if people someday objected to the statues, the Germans would take them down without a fuss.
They're now talking about tearing down statues of German slave owners and other colonialist criminals
It’s not that simple. There have been fights for years now to remove some of the memorial statues for the fallen soldiers of ww1 and 2
and they are still standing. Also we have a lot of things (Staues, street names, etc) of people from colonial times. Not a lot of people
see the racism in these. Fortunately there’s more talk about it now than ever.
RtsWillH1Mself
Yeah, they need to keep these statues up and villify these symbols! Let the bad ones show themselves and we can all learn from it.
Thephedora
Location location location
RozoSuave
That is one thing. But that is absolutely not what the statues standing in the US signify. They are indeed idolized despite their history.
henryvk
Wait, that's satire, right? I can't tell cause I'm German
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Have you heard this one? How many Germans does it take to change a light bulb?
Go ahead
One. Because Germans are very efficient and don't have a sense of humor.
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
Being half German and half Mexican myself you get half a JaJa from me. Jaja is Mexican equivalent of haha pronounced the same.
prinzessinmustapha
in fact there are two terms in german: one's a memorial to think of sth positive (Denkmal), the other's to warn of sth negative (Mahnmal)
Phixik
They have "stumble stones" - history written on random blocks in the road so you will remember but nothing to glorify it.
Not in random places. Only where people lived that were killed by nazis.
The Stolpersteine have the names of those that were deported and murdered on them and they are placed in front of the respective houses.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Stauffenberg and his co-conspirators never joined the NSDAP. I was surprised to learn that too because I thought all high-ranking military …
jursamaj
The conspiracy wasn't even noble. They wanted to *replace* Hitler, not just get rid of him.
officers had been Nazi party members. I don't think there is a single statue or memorial for an NSDAP member.
Spudworth
Hitler's bunker is a carpark with a small information board.
HonestCommentFarmer
"On this site, in 1945, some dickhead died. Good riddance."
The guy who killed him deserves a medal
EmpathicWon
Memorials ≠ Statues of leaders at government centers and public parks. If statues of Joseph Goebbels and Hitler were erected at parliament 1
Yeah, my point was there's a good way to erect memorials to bad things to remind us our history wasn't always so pristine.
So you agree with the key argument here then? Man, say so sooner.
hamooshka
No he is offering a counterpoint to this specific argument. Monuments are erected to remember events in history, for better or worse.
dingofdong
Not all monuments are created equal. Monument to or explaining a conflict ok, statues of confederate generals in places of honour are not.
You're not a cop. I do what I want!
I think the German's would have a lot more to say than just tearing down the statues themselves.
Thewayofthebear
They turned the place where they held the rallies at Nuremburg into a lorry park. I say that's the best thing to do, take something 1/2
pookieeatworld
Lorry park... Found the brit!
You got me!
2/ you don't need anymore and make into something you do. And a subtle fuck you is good too.
Surbies
No statues glorifying monsters. They put up plaques with names.
caine224
Every random Confederate was a monster?
deekermans31415
You know what, pretty much. Sucks for them, but sometimes you get lost to history when you choose the slave side. Most of us random >
< Americans will be lost to history for being complicit in this fucktastrophe of a few years. We fucking deserve it too.
ChiLLeCheeze
Not calling them saints, that's for sure.
Certainly. Would a statue at a battlefield where lots were killed count as lionizing or just a memorial?
Most of the ones with statues absolutely.
Not every random confederate has a statue up of them in conspicuous public spaces, explicitly glorifying them and the pro slavery cause +
+ which they fought for. When you put a statue up to "the glorious confederate cause", you can't disentangle the slavery and just claim to +
+ be honouring their admirable traits. That's not how any of this works.
EmanNiemThcin
That is so not what he said and you damn well know it too.
Every random Confederate that has a statue. Either way.
Confederates with a statue are not "every random Confederate"
True but confederate generals or soldiers or whoever weren't all monsters either. I know lee didnt want a war, but felt compelled to follow>
His home state. Simplistic views make simplistic people.or at least come from them
Alenelvans
Yeah, nobody (well maybe a tiny handful of idiots) is trying to take down the Lincoln memorial. Only the confederacy-glorifying ones
PoorSucker
How about these statues, https://www.history.com/news/how-many-u-s-presidents-owned-slaves
May as well make a list in 50 years of presidents that owned cars and tear down that obama library.
BrophessorX
This is the dumbest shit to argue over.
Depends on what else they did. IMO Washington and Jefferson are fine, but Andrew Jackson statues can fuck off
Maybe we should just fuck off with statues. What the fuck are historical statues accomplishing? Christians should be all fucking about
Getting rid of every last one of them. I'm fine with it too. Pining for a fantasy that never existed keeps you from moving forward.
A statue of george washington just got torn down in washington St. So, there you go
Eh, oh well. He'd probably be OK with that if you read anything he ever wrote. Maybe we should just get back to statues as art.
That’d be the aforementioned idiots. And I’d be very surprised if it weren’t quickly replaced.
CptBronson
I don't mind. The founding fathers created a system where only land owning whites had power and slaves were 3/5ths of a person.
The reverence that American's have for the founding fathers is borderline a fetish. They aren't good people by modern standards.
No one is good by modern standards, that is the whole point. Presentism. Forget all of history because they were all bad then
You can say that we shouldn't judge historical people by modern standards, and that's fair, but the good doesn't wash out the bad.
kingkongkeom
That's the problem I have with the knee jerk mob mentality that's going on at the moment. Discuss it, come to a conclusion, act. Right /1
now everyone has their own definition of where the line is drawn & a lot of uninformed idiots do dumb shit. I am all for progress, but /2
the way its being done right now is stupid& dilutes the message that was so carefully curated against police brutality. Stay focused ffs 3/3
vowofloudness
Take that, St. Paul's Cathedral.
That's not Satan that Lucifer.
tarask
The Church keeps saying that Satan makes you gay and now I see why. He's hot.
That's not Satan that is Lucifer
Becker37
Satan is hot at hell. Come corrupt me oh dark lord
escudonbk
https://media1.giphy.com/media/F8nD8ql8CcbeM/giphy.mp4
saganworshipper
Handsome cuss.
WoundedZetian
You leave sexy satan out of this!
Lucifer
theghostisbeer
Jesus clip your toenails satan.
macthe1
Found the foot fetishist.
TorvicIsSanta
Satan kinda hot tho
That's not Satan
TK421isAFK
I mean, he lives in fire and brimstone, so...
bobtheaxolotl
Which is funny, because it replaced another statue of Satan by the artist's brother that was removed for being too sexy.
And the replacement makes him even more sultry.
Ifyouthinkimseriousyoumissedthejoke
You should see the third try where he's literally pumping away all thick and veiny. They used it as a soap dispenser for the nuns bathroom.
And he got a couple Hitachi massagers for the ladies
Linachen
stupid sexy lucifer xD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_g%C3%A9nie_du_mal
Respectablecrazy
I've read Lucifer was an Idiot sun God and Satan was related to chronos or saturnis. Gods of time. Time as an adversary.
*Italian
Pentacus
TIL Time is Italian.
NotThatOneTheOtherOne
Ha! Genie of Evil! Stupid sexy Jafar!
Billis75
IMCloseToTheEdge
A great piece of art. It would be a shame if anyone would tear it down.
Nadyanilo
I'd take that however he's serving it.
sdmarkey
Why is he in chains? Wait, is Robert E. Lee in chains? No? Ok
DocWino
I don’t think the word “Satan” is in the Bible. Lucifer was the fallen angel. The word “accuser” does appear several times.
CaptainUnderpantsReporting
Shaitan does not show up as a term until around the crusades
I get what you're saying, but it doesn't seem incompatible with the point in the OP. After all, they DID protest his portrayal...
DarkwingDuc
Also OP said a bunch of statues. 1 example doesn’t disprove his point. If there were only 1 Confederate statue folks wouldn’t be this upset.
NuclearBuddha
It's fairly common practice, honestly. Renaissance style sculptures, abstracts, and some weirder depictions... it's just not sure much in /
Done much in the states*. I think these states should be put in museums if they are taken down... preserve /
Everything, not just the pleasant bits or what you happen to agree with.
titaniumsnail
And they made a new one that was just as hot.
...which they also protested, but then they were kinda stuck with them lol.
That is the new one. It replaced the sculptor's younger brother's "too hot for church" version:
Sylphyyy
Oh okay, curls are too sexy for church but the niche pointed toenail fetish isn't.
fedeColorTerror
Yes, but this hottie is in chain, so what you are celebrating here it's him being spanked, not worshipped.
Surely being spanked is worthy of a celebration, no?
wait... It didn't come out right
AreYouMyGuppy
You knew what you were doing
DontBeAnArse
This... is an perfect way to describe the idea behind tearing down those Confederate statues. Very well put and not condescending. Ok. Nice!
[deleted]
Completely entitled to your opinion, friend! Glad you could join the conversation!
ImplodingPumpkin
People can love WW2 but if the person decorates their house with Nazi history mementos people would worry.
GunRack
I'm ok with replacing confederate statues with Satan
Exevium
Now hold up, I firmly believe in the Church of Satanism. But I do agree with you.
Frostbreaker1
But will it change the minds of people who are sad about losing Confederate statues? My guess is no
Wanderingchiron
I was going to upvote this but the upvote count was 666 and it just felt appropriate to leave it.
GodForsakethMe
I mean Satan killed what 7 people in the bibles books and God has killed... countless. I think the wrong guy won and wrote the history. Js
Fluffierthanmost
Great example.
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
Satan is barely mentioned in the Christian bible
AdmJota
And the Confederacy barely existed in American history.
arsenilk
What sucks is the argument for them *is* that they’re “great” men, since the south was just protecting their “way of life” (owning slaves)
joejubee
Agreed.
ochermes28
Tearing down Confederate statues and vandalizing them is not a great idea. After all they lost the war!
MeshHatMafia
I am so sorry but I’m gonna be an arse. It’s just an “a” before perfect. No vowel, or vowel sounding consonant comes after.
goldenflax
These ladies (and I) approve of your comment!
How is it being an arse to point out a typo?
Username
Not following, bud!
Oh, Don’t be an arse! *insert 90’s laugh track*
ArrestedDevelopmentNarrator
You know what, he even warned everyone. I think he gets a pass
But he isnt being an arse.... why does he get a pass if he isnt being an arse?
Username checks out!
Thanks! I try not to be! Glad you can validate that! Thanks, golden!!
Foxhounded
Some people don't like when someone is a "grammer nazi". Usually when they call themselves out on it they soften the blow.
Ah... people react differently to different things. Some people have a stick up their arse. Some just go with the flow. No worries hear!!
The er is a trap. Just a heads up.
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Just give em all to one racist for his "villains" themed statue garden... "Preserve HiSTorY" and people don't have to look at them...
"bro you're gonna shit, I got this bronze moussellini from 1899"
ButLogicallyTho
Mao would you look at that a bronze moussellini
ShlongaDonga
"An perfect"
that is a appropriate reaction comment.
sloankedigren
Nobody said it was an perfect comment.
gunot
Condescension is ok in some instances.
OaksParcel
*leans towards the person reading this* Condescension means talking down to people. *pats them on their head*
NdotGreeze
Sometimes deserved, rarely useful.
ImNotANecrophiliacImJustNostalgic
I hear the sentiment but, at least in Europe, there are depictions of Satan in a LOT of churches... Funny story about statues, as well (1/)
Tinkrr
Came here to say older churches feature all kinds of demons and stuff in their masonry. The lack of them is from more modern repressive 1/2
religious practices. D: 2/2
NotSoSmartAlek
Isn't that from the gargoyle thing, a superstition to drive away evil spirits or something? 1/2
Wouldn't be the first pagan practice the Church conscripted, nor the last.
It's a mix. Sometimes it was for that, sometimes to remind people evil exists, other times to reflect the past worship of the community. D:
There are 2 very famous statues of Satan in Belgium;that one's in the Liège cathedral & was a 2nd commission
Gayforbae
Stipd sexy satan
Because the 1st one was deemed "too sexy & distracting" to be in a church.
Kehy
I'd do him
TerryFoldFlaps
Stupid sexy Satan
gregbillsy86
Imhereforthelurking
Weren't they made by brothers, as well?
Yup, the Geefs brothers. Luckily for the church there wasn't a 3rd sculptor in the family, or he would've made an even sexier statue
triscuit3000
I mean he is supposed to be tempting, no?
I've never seen a confederate statue, are they depicting them bare-assed as well, or.?
EnderPanda13
Best part about those 2 statues is that the bro of the sculpture made the second one and personally made it sexier.
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
No, they generally feature confederate generals in an idealized, majestic pose, as if something to be revered.
Nudity was more favored in sculpture back then than it is today, look at David for example, he's naked. D:
iamkyleh
Double cheeked up on a friday afternoon
realBigDill
Hail satan
Bancroft87
They did make statues of satan, and they were sexy as fuck
dahDebil
Look.. I tried to recruit the guy.. He went into publishing..
ballpeenX
But........Satan is not a historical figure. He is alive now and seeks to turn all away from God.
pullingsaiyantails
We do have statues of satan though.
walaishy
Every traitor and terrorist is somebody else's hero.
sauronater
The Church of Satan seems to have a lot of good people in it, from what I've read. Oddly more Christian than many Christians lol
IDownvoteAllPoliticalPosts
The church of Satan actually has some damn good rules to live by
DevilsAdvocater
I like the idea I heard where we take them and put them in a museum.. and explain why they had statues and why they were put in a museum and
DevilsAdvocater
how we grew as a society.
seenunseen
Satan killed 1 person in the bible..god on the other hand slaughtered..i'll stick with satan
EroticZombiePants
Who did Satan actually kill other than Job's family at God's approval?
Eidodk
The old testament God is best compared to a pre-pubescent psychopath with an ant farm, while Satan almost seem saintly. 2 million against 10
shadowkit13
To my understanding a lot of the Confederate statues were put up to terrify the newly freed slaves.
ACSwineburne
The majority of them were put up in the 20th century.
EroticZombiePants
A large portion of them went up during the Jim Crow Laws era.
cousteau
There's one of those in Madrid in a park. Placed at exactly 666 m above sea level, too.
PistonPrincess
Fountain of the Fallen Angel. Wicked cool.
cousteau
Yep! That one.
nonCanadianGoose
Then again who thought that when the 2nd coming of Christ occurs, he’s going to want to see a bunch of crosses
idonthavetimeforthiseither
He's definitely gonna look cross eyed at the Italians.
CadoInPDX
They pulled down a statue of Jefferson and Washington in my city this week
frozentoastbread
Funny how no one has replied to your comment yet. (apart from me)
CyanideBreathMint
Kube420
It's kind of ironic because Satan isn't the one that condones slavery in the Bible
InboxMeYourGoldenRetrievers
It needs to be clarified, not everything in the Bible is spiritual proclamation. The Bible is also a history book, a census, geography and
Kube420
Is it though?
InboxMeYourGoldenRetrievers
Geneaology book. It tells of how things were, not necessarily how things should be. Not every scripture at least
AMFMAN
Fair enough but there's nothing wrong with putting all that stuff in a museum where we can be reminded all the same
Cpthornswoggler
“That which will not bend, must break, and that which can be destroyed by truth should never be spared its demise. It is done, hail Satan,”
gr1mk1ng
Isn't "traitor and terrorist" subjected to who won in history
MassDriverOmega
Yes
newsguycraigevans
Then they should have fought harder.
Sigge1981
History is written by the victor, after all.
phobos535
There ARE statues of lucifer, though. Context matters. Dont depict him as the goid guy, simple
beccerz777
Was about to mention that
FeloniousMonk13
Damn ima start lobbying for more satan statues
Onlyforthiscomment
Why dont they just move everything to a civil war museum.
freckledkink
That's what I, and many other southerners, think should be done. The majority of them, though, were made cheaply, and are of no historic
freckledkink
Value. They aren't in the person's hometown or where a battle was fought, and are nothing but "glory" symbols. Unfortunately, the dumbasses
freckledkink
Are the loudest and will make the best news, so that's what's being told the most. The MS state flag and many statues are being removed from
freckledkink
Several cities and universities across our state, and I'm sure more will follow.
JustforKicks5350
Because there’s literally around 1500 of them, they’re cheap mass produced statues, and many are the same.
jaguar5hark
NO this is a terrible analogy. Comparing contemporaneously respected yet flawed humans to SATAN?? Are we being serious or just trolling?
Mediathug
“Metaphor”. “Analogy”.
Metatality
Yeah, the satan statues are way sexier.
PaladinAstro
Was Lucifer not contemporaneously respected yet flawed? He did lead a rebellion. People today even seem to think he had a point.
Attaroo
Virtually everyone opposed to the statues coming down believes in the Lost Cause narrative that the Confederacy was morally upstanding.
leodavinci1
Horseshit!
Attaroo
Which, of course, makes them fucking idiots.
Starfox5
It makes them evil scumbags, not just idiots.
PatrikLilja
Does anyone know where I can read about what the common soldiers of both sides were thinking, what did they think they fought for? 1/x
PatrikLilja
end 2/2
drunkenvalley
I don't think the average statue in question is dedicated to the common soldier.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
Are they tearing them down or voting to remove them? Big difference between the two methods.
drunkenvalley
Is there, really? One side are heavily suppressed minorities who are unheard at the voting booth, the other are white people in power.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
If you tear them down, it's seen as an attack on the culture of the majority who will then double down.
drunkenvalley
...and? Is this a situation that can continue without an actual confrontation at a certain point?
Pokedmeinthecoconut
It should all be done politically.
Kube420
Since the Lord approves of slavery it is morally acceptable to own slaves - southern Christians
ArchangelTitus
Not American, I disagree with statues being destroyed as they have artistic value. Put them in place that have info on what they did wrong
JustforKicks5350
Agreed the one that was made by a true artist must stay:
UnhelpfulMoth
This is one of the best statues I've ever seen. Right up there with the Ronaldo one.
VintageData
How about we ship every last one of them to a field in Alabama & let the local KKK chapter set up a racist statue petting zoo? I don’t /1
VintageData
really mind keeping the statues around, but I have a problem with displaying them in public!squares, by government buildings, parks etc. /2
ArchangelTitus
Aye and as I said, place them in an area for people to visit. Somewhere that displays them along side the disgusting history.
ArchangelTitus
but allow the artistic work to be around. We don't commision stone carved statues for example as much anymore. They need to be preserved so
ArchangelTitus
that later generations can observe them and learn from the way it was formed.
BishopBB
I find it hard to believe that there are so few statues in the world that we need to preserve these few Confederate monuments. Not buying it
ArchangelTitus
Art is important. When I look at a statue I rarely actually look up who it is or the history. However I do look at the artist skill. We
Ghostwish
@Drunkenvalley has the right of it. And also, they were in HIGHLY public places as well. Parks, roadways, even some schools.
RobBobertyYT
I agree they should be in a museum with information about the subject, good and bad. But I don't blame them for destroying them.
drunkenvalley
Museum and art galleries aren't sprinting to fetch them. Most already have a surplus of this shit, and it doesn't say much on its own.
drunkenvalley
Most of them don't have artistic value - they're literally cheap and mass-produced.
drunkenvalley
...and neither museums nor galleries want them.
ArchangelTitus
Probably because they are worried that people will come in and try to destroy it...
drunkenvalley
No, probably because the statues are virtually worthless, mass-produced junk.
newsguycraigevans
No. Tear down that racist propaganda.
ArchangelTitus
Ballocks, it is not racist propaganda if you provide information to the public about what they did. The brutality of their history. That is
ArchangelTitus
informative and helps humans evolve, not to repeat history again.
drunkenvalley
We don't need statues being neutral or positive towards evils to do that. Tear them down. Replace them with something accurate.
LoudBirb
Those statues weren't put up for the sake of "art":
ArchangelTitus
Christ, I did not say they were put up for art. I said THEY HAVE ARTISTIC VALUE. Ignore who they are of, actually look at the art. They
ArchangelTitus
commissioned an artist to make something quite remarkable. As a non american I do not give a crap about the person they are of. It is the
ArchangelTitus
artist value they have which should not be destroyed. You don't just erase your past.
Attaroo
So when do we get to visit the Hall of Hitler? Yes, what they are of is of course vitally important. Even beyond that, the vast majority
Attaroo
are mass produced, with no intrinsic value, and were put up solely to propagandize white supremacy. A couple dozen of the 1000+ can go to
slowcookedham
I think you underestimate how many Americans currently revere the meaning behind the statues. I understand your stance about art as a higher
slowcookedham
idea, but it isn't relevant to the current context. There are human feelings towards these statues; art and the material world can't be
slowcookedham
exclusive from each other. It isn't just a small radical cult of Americans. It is a vast population of people that believe in a rogue state,
slowcookedham
slavery, and are literally against equal rights for anyone else. Again, I understand your stance on artistic value. But these people are
mydickishoney
hail satan
Rodka209
Nema.
YeahWhateverStuffThangs
scryguy6
Well done! Hail Mr. Satan!
FrenziiTheSuccubus
QuickdrawTheOutlaw
Hail Santa
nalananda
?
TotallyNotASnail
Hail Satan rain Satan, 70% chance of precipisatan
BillandTedsUnremarkableTripToCostCo
the best ever death metal band out of Denton / will in time both outpace and outlive you
ButterLube
This is not Satan it is Lucifer.
Akyan
hitanalas
My name is finally relevant
retiredgumball
HAIL GEIN!
slaughterhouse4andahalf
Megustalations!!!!!
boldly
Hail yourself!
LadyClio
Megustalations
Idoitallforthecookies
Megustalations!
hiyesthisissatan
I approve.
idonthavetimeforthiseither
Hail cthulu
patrickwd101
I don’t want to jinx is but I love that hail Cthulhu is the one with no downvotes! Something we can all agree on
MaybeIllDisappear
Ia ia Cthulhu*! Ia ia Nyarlathotep!
hairytrigga
Satan punishes bad people and listens to metal so is he truly a bad guy?
mydickishoney
Why do you think we worship him
hiyesthisissatan
Satan accepts all of God's unwanted children.
licmasack
Milton - “Paradise Lost”
RexNihil
I always figured he got the shit job because he sassed Daddy
AnonKneeMoose
pretty much it
0BothersGiven
SilentScreamsX
He also killed way less innocent people than God.
KolgrimLang
Multiple Bible sources (Jesus, Peter, etc.) say he tries to get people into Hell, so that’s a red flag.
pistachio0506
I love to study the bible and the God who wrote it, which is why I do so much research. Hebrew sheohl and Greek haides and gehenna. have fun
KolgrimLang
Correct! Learned that during my 3 Greek and 2 Hebrew classes getting my M. Div. before I was ordained. Grace and peace.
DeltaAlphaNu
That's so metal, dude
fiddlewheelx
He doesn't punish sinners though, Lucifer is the original prisoner of hell, while Satan is an Angel designed to bring people to sin.
Eidodk
Lucifer is the Lightbringer. A fallen angel, whose task is to rule the realm of Hell.
thefrenchpirate2000
Satan’s name means accuser. He is literally that asshole prosecutor who imprisons poor minorities on technicalities
Sherlock89
Have you seen Jesus' hair? If he doesn't listen to metal I'd be shocked. Plus the whole hanging out with the outcasts, and whipping the fake
Sigge1981
Judging purely by the hair, I'd say it's more grunge or stoner.
Sherlock89
Stoner would explain the making water into wine and the multipling of the snacks. Grunge is a dead genre so that works.
Sherlock89
Let's just say he likes rock?
Sigge1981
I can get behind that sentiment
highstream
Satan's not the warden, he's another prisoner
sauronater
Prisoner warden/ruler
TheCyberGoblin
He's like... the head of the most dangerous gang in the prison
VillainVillain
Even the best criminal will rot with the lowest criminal, though the best criminals are probably free right now
quade
The Germans put up some memorials for Nazis; not to glorify them, but to remember that German citizens died for terrible causes.
APairofDocks
It is not wrong to remember dead soldiers. It is wrong to glorify what they died fighting for if it was bullshit. I feel that way about 1/2
APairofDocks
Nazis, the Confederates, but also Vietnam. I've never seen people try to use the VN War Memorial to glorify that stupid war
lookitupyourself
They lost their family. So a mourning of that
odinsravenscloaca
That’s totally different. There are laws against using Nazi salutes and racist language against Jews. In the US people just feel emboldened.
override367
How many southern monuments devoted to slaves, family seperation, etc are there
impatientazn
I hope the US doesn't have to go through what Germany did to become a better society.
aPokal
We got monuments for soldiers. Not generals. And usually include WW1.
BossKnight1
Germany doesn't have "Nazi" statues or memorials. The National Socialism memorial is for the victims, not the army.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Most important: those memorials are about the victims, not the perpetrators.
pcloppenbursch
No, we put up memorials for the victims. And for the soldiers the stones say "in rememberence of the dead, to warn the living"
Ellipirell
Unfortunately it doesn’t say the second part on every memorial. I wish it would though.
dewifb
It's sad that we've got so used to such complete, barefaced, counterfactual LIES as this, from the kinda people that defend the statues.
ForboJack
We have memorials to remember those who had to suffer. You won't see a Nazi statue in Germany in a public place.
jderig
Large memorial sites are important as long as the context is clear.
CarlottaVonSprockett
I would also venture to guess that if people someday objected to the statues, the Germans would take them down without a fuss.
Starfox5
They're now talking about tearing down statues of German slave owners and other colonialist criminals
Ellipirell
It’s not that simple. There have been fights for years now to remove some of the memorial statues for the fallen soldiers of ww1 and 2
Ellipirell
and they are still standing. Also we have a lot of things (Staues, street names, etc) of people from colonial times. Not a lot of people
Ellipirell
see the racism in these. Fortunately there’s more talk about it now than ever.
RtsWillH1Mself
Yeah, they need to keep these statues up and villify these symbols! Let the bad ones show themselves and we can all learn from it.
Thephedora
Location location location
RozoSuave
That is one thing. But that is absolutely not what the statues standing in the US signify. They are indeed idolized despite their history.
henryvk
Wait, that's satire, right? I can't tell cause I'm German
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
Have you heard this one? How many Germans does it take to change a light bulb?
henryvk
Go ahead
ThePunishersVengefulBrother
One. Because Germans are very efficient and don't have a sense of humor.
Wubbalubbadubdubb101
Being half German and half Mexican myself you get half a JaJa from me. Jaja is Mexican equivalent of haha pronounced the same.
prinzessinmustapha
in fact there are two terms in german: one's a memorial to think of sth positive (Denkmal), the other's to warn of sth negative (Mahnmal)
Phixik
They have "stumble stones" - history written on random blocks in the road so you will remember but nothing to glorify it.
pcloppenbursch
Not in random places. Only where people lived that were killed by nazis.
henryvk
The Stolpersteine have the names of those that were deported and murdered on them and they are placed in front of the respective houses.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Stauffenberg and his co-conspirators never joined the NSDAP. I was surprised to learn that too because I thought all high-ranking military …
jursamaj
The conspiracy wasn't even noble. They wanted to *replace* Hitler, not just get rid of him.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
officers had been Nazi party members. I don't think there is a single statue or memorial for an NSDAP member.
Spudworth
Hitler's bunker is a carpark with a small information board.
HonestCommentFarmer
"On this site, in 1945, some dickhead died. Good riddance."
APairofDocks
The guy who killed him deserves a medal
EmpathicWon
Memorials ≠ Statues of leaders at government centers and public parks. If statues of Joseph Goebbels and Hitler were erected at parliament 1
quade
Yeah, my point was there's a good way to erect memorials to bad things to remind us our history wasn't always so pristine.
EmpathicWon
So you agree with the key argument here then? Man, say so sooner.
hamooshka
No he is offering a counterpoint to this specific argument. Monuments are erected to remember events in history, for better or worse.
dingofdong
Not all monuments are created equal. Monument to or explaining a conflict ok, statues of confederate generals in places of honour are not.
quade
You're not a cop. I do what I want!
EmpathicWon
I think the German's would have a lot more to say than just tearing down the statues themselves.
Thewayofthebear
They turned the place where they held the rallies at Nuremburg into a lorry park. I say that's the best thing to do, take something 1/2
pookieeatworld
Lorry park... Found the brit!
Thewayofthebear
You got me!
Thewayofthebear
2/ you don't need anymore and make into something you do. And a subtle fuck you is good too.
Surbies
No statues glorifying monsters. They put up plaques with names.
caine224
Every random Confederate was a monster?
deekermans31415
You know what, pretty much. Sucks for them, but sometimes you get lost to history when you choose the slave side. Most of us random >
deekermans31415
< Americans will be lost to history for being complicit in this fucktastrophe of a few years. We fucking deserve it too.
ChiLLeCheeze
Not calling them saints, that's for sure.
caine224
Certainly. Would a statue at a battlefield where lots were killed count as lionizing or just a memorial?
Surbies
Most of the ones with statues absolutely.
dingofdong
Not every random confederate has a statue up of them in conspicuous public spaces, explicitly glorifying them and the pro slavery cause +
dingofdong
+ which they fought for. When you put a statue up to "the glorious confederate cause", you can't disentangle the slavery and just claim to +
dingofdong
+ be honouring their admirable traits. That's not how any of this works.
EmanNiemThcin
That is so not what he said and you damn well know it too.
caine224
Every random Confederate that has a statue. Either way.
drunkenvalley
Confederates with a statue are not "every random Confederate"
caine224
True but confederate generals or soldiers or whoever weren't all monsters either. I know lee didnt want a war, but felt compelled to follow>
caine224
His home state. Simplistic views make simplistic people.or at least come from them
Alenelvans
Yeah, nobody (well maybe a tiny handful of idiots) is trying to take down the Lincoln memorial. Only the confederacy-glorifying ones
PoorSucker
How about these statues, https://www.history.com/news/how-many-u-s-presidents-owned-slaves
caine224
May as well make a list in 50 years of presidents that owned cars and tear down that obama library.
BrophessorX
This is the dumbest shit to argue over.
Alenelvans
Depends on what else they did. IMO Washington and Jefferson are fine, but Andrew Jackson statues can fuck off
deekermans31415
Maybe we should just fuck off with statues. What the fuck are historical statues accomplishing? Christians should be all fucking about
deekermans31415
Getting rid of every last one of them. I'm fine with it too. Pining for a fantasy that never existed keeps you from moving forward.
caine224
A statue of george washington just got torn down in washington St. So, there you go
deekermans31415
Eh, oh well. He'd probably be OK with that if you read anything he ever wrote. Maybe we should just get back to statues as art.
Alenelvans
That’d be the aforementioned idiots. And I’d be very surprised if it weren’t quickly replaced.
CptBronson
I don't mind. The founding fathers created a system where only land owning whites had power and slaves were 3/5ths of a person.
CptBronson
The reverence that American's have for the founding fathers is borderline a fetish. They aren't good people by modern standards.
caine224
No one is good by modern standards, that is the whole point. Presentism. Forget all of history because they were all bad then
CptBronson
You can say that we shouldn't judge historical people by modern standards, and that's fair, but the good doesn't wash out the bad.
kingkongkeom
That's the problem I have with the knee jerk mob mentality that's going on at the moment. Discuss it, come to a conclusion, act. Right /1
kingkongkeom
now everyone has their own definition of where the line is drawn & a lot of uninformed idiots do dumb shit. I am all for progress, but /2
kingkongkeom
the way its being done right now is stupid& dilutes the message that was so carefully curated against police brutality. Stay focused ffs 3/3
vowofloudness
Take that, St. Paul's Cathedral.
ButterLube
That's not Satan that Lucifer.
tarask
The Church keeps saying that Satan makes you gay and now I see why. He's hot.
ButterLube
That's not Satan that is Lucifer
Becker37
Satan is hot at hell. Come corrupt me oh dark lord
escudonbk
https://media1.giphy.com/media/F8nD8ql8CcbeM/giphy.mp4
saganworshipper
Handsome cuss.
WoundedZetian
You leave sexy satan out of this!
ButterLube
Lucifer
theghostisbeer
Jesus clip your toenails satan.
macthe1
Found the foot fetishist.
TorvicIsSanta
Satan kinda hot tho
ButterLube
That's not Satan
TK421isAFK
I mean, he lives in fire and brimstone, so...
bobtheaxolotl
Which is funny, because it replaced another statue of Satan by the artist's brother that was removed for being too sexy.
bobtheaxolotl
And the replacement makes him even more sultry.
Ifyouthinkimseriousyoumissedthejoke
You should see the third try where he's literally pumping away all thick and veiny. They used it as a soap dispenser for the nuns bathroom.
TorvicIsSanta
And he got a couple Hitachi massagers for the ladies
Linachen
stupid sexy lucifer xD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_g%C3%A9nie_du_mal
Respectablecrazy
I've read Lucifer was an Idiot sun God and Satan was related to chronos or saturnis. Gods of time. Time as an adversary.
Respectablecrazy
*Italian
Pentacus
TIL Time is Italian.
NotThatOneTheOtherOne
Ha! Genie of Evil! Stupid sexy Jafar!
Billis75
IMCloseToTheEdge
A great piece of art. It would be a shame if anyone would tear it down.
Nadyanilo
I'd take that however he's serving it.
sdmarkey
Why is he in chains? Wait, is Robert E. Lee in chains? No? Ok
DocWino
I don’t think the word “Satan” is in the Bible. Lucifer was the fallen angel. The word “accuser” does appear several times.
CaptainUnderpantsReporting
Shaitan does not show up as a term until around the crusades
drunkenvalley
I get what you're saying, but it doesn't seem incompatible with the point in the OP. After all, they DID protest his portrayal...
DarkwingDuc
Also OP said a bunch of statues. 1 example doesn’t disprove his point. If there were only 1 Confederate statue folks wouldn’t be this upset.
NuclearBuddha
It's fairly common practice, honestly. Renaissance style sculptures, abstracts, and some weirder depictions... it's just not sure much in /
NuclearBuddha
Done much in the states*. I think these states should be put in museums if they are taken down... preserve /
NuclearBuddha
Everything, not just the pleasant bits or what you happen to agree with.
titaniumsnail
And they made a new one that was just as hot.
drunkenvalley
...which they also protested, but then they were kinda stuck with them lol.
vowofloudness
That is the new one. It replaced the sculptor's younger brother's "too hot for church" version:
Sylphyyy
Oh okay, curls are too sexy for church but the niche pointed toenail fetish isn't.
fedeColorTerror
Yes, but this hottie is in chain, so what you are celebrating here it's him being spanked, not worshipped.
Pentacus
Surely being spanked is worthy of a celebration, no?
fedeColorTerror
wait... It didn't come out right
AreYouMyGuppy
You knew what you were doing
fedeColorTerror
DontBeAnArse
This... is an perfect way to describe the idea behind tearing down those Confederate statues. Very well put and not condescending. Ok. Nice!
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DontBeAnArse
Completely entitled to your opinion, friend! Glad you could join the conversation!
ImplodingPumpkin
People can love WW2 but if the person decorates their house with Nazi history mementos people would worry.
GunRack
I'm ok with replacing confederate statues with Satan
Exevium
Now hold up, I firmly believe in the Church of Satanism. But I do agree with you.
Frostbreaker1
But will it change the minds of people who are sad about losing Confederate statues? My guess is no
Wanderingchiron
I was going to upvote this but the upvote count was 666 and it just felt appropriate to leave it.
GodForsakethMe
I mean Satan killed what 7 people in the bibles books and God has killed... countless. I think the wrong guy won and wrote the history. Js
Fluffierthanmost
Great example.
ifavoritethingstoshowmywifewhenigethome
Satan is barely mentioned in the Christian bible
AdmJota
And the Confederacy barely existed in American history.
arsenilk
What sucks is the argument for them *is* that they’re “great” men, since the south was just protecting their “way of life” (owning slaves)
joejubee
Agreed.
ochermes28
Tearing down Confederate statues and vandalizing them is not a great idea. After all they lost the war!
MeshHatMafia
I am so sorry but I’m gonna be an arse. It’s just an “a” before perfect. No vowel, or vowel sounding consonant comes after.
goldenflax
These ladies (and I) approve of your comment!
DontBeAnArse
How is it being an arse to point out a typo?
MeshHatMafia
Username
DontBeAnArse
Not following, bud!
MeshHatMafia
Oh, Don’t be an arse! *insert 90’s laugh track*
ArrestedDevelopmentNarrator
You know what, he even warned everyone. I think he gets a pass
DontBeAnArse
But he isnt being an arse.... why does he get a pass if he isnt being an arse?
goldenflax
Username checks out!
DontBeAnArse
Thanks! I try not to be! Glad you can validate that! Thanks, golden!!
goldenflax
MeshHatMafia
Foxhounded
Some people don't like when someone is a "grammer nazi". Usually when they call themselves out on it they soften the blow.
DontBeAnArse
Ah... people react differently to different things. Some people have a stick up their arse. Some just go with the flow. No worries hear!!
Foxhounded
The er is a trap. Just a heads up.
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Just give em all to one racist for his "villains" themed statue garden... "Preserve HiSTorY" and people don't have to look at them...
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"bro you're gonna shit, I got this bronze moussellini from 1899"
ButLogicallyTho
Mao would you look at that a bronze moussellini
ShlongaDonga
"An perfect"
DontBeAnArse
that is a appropriate reaction comment.
sloankedigren
AdmJota
Nobody said it was an perfect comment.
DontBeAnArse
gunot
Condescension is ok in some instances.
OaksParcel
*leans towards the person reading this* Condescension means talking down to people. *pats them on their head*
NdotGreeze
Sometimes deserved, rarely useful.
ImNotANecrophiliacImJustNostalgic
I hear the sentiment but, at least in Europe, there are depictions of Satan in a LOT of churches... Funny story about statues, as well (1/)
Tinkrr
Came here to say older churches feature all kinds of demons and stuff in their masonry. The lack of them is from more modern repressive 1/2
Tinkrr
religious practices. D: 2/2
NotSoSmartAlek
Isn't that from the gargoyle thing, a superstition to drive away evil spirits or something? 1/2
NotSoSmartAlek
Wouldn't be the first pagan practice the Church conscripted, nor the last.
Tinkrr
It's a mix. Sometimes it was for that, sometimes to remind people evil exists, other times to reflect the past worship of the community. D:
ImNotANecrophiliacImJustNostalgic
Gayforbae
Stipd sexy satan
ImNotANecrophiliacImJustNostalgic
Because the 1st one
was deemed "too sexy & distracting" to be in a church.
Kehy
I'd do him
TerryFoldFlaps
Stupid sexy Satan
gregbillsy86
Imhereforthelurking
Weren't they made by brothers, as well?
ImNotANecrophiliacImJustNostalgic
Yup, the Geefs brothers. Luckily for the church there wasn't a 3rd sculptor in the family, or he would've made an even sexier statue
triscuit3000
I mean he is supposed to be tempting, no?
ImNotANecrophiliacImJustNostalgic
I've never seen a confederate statue, are they depicting them bare-assed as well, or.?
EnderPanda13
Best part about those 2 statues is that the bro of the sculpture made the second one and personally made it sexier.
ILikedTheirOldStuffBetter
No, they generally feature confederate generals in an idealized, majestic pose, as if something to be revered.
Tinkrr
Nudity was more favored in sculpture back then than it is today, look at David for example, he's naked. D:
iamkyleh
Double cheeked up on a friday afternoon