4379 pts · May 16, 2012
Different interpretations, yes. Objective facts are not open to discussion though. The indisputable facts are: - neighbor stepped directly in front of a moving motorcycle, causing a (relatively minor) crash- Alan tries to leave, neighbor initiated physical contact twice before Alan responds physicallyYou're welcome to "interpret" that however you want, but age/size/training doesn't matter in light of those two facts.
One critical point I'd like to make: in *most* instances the data being collected is for benign or positive reasons because it's the result of normal humans trying to do a job.Occasionally that data is used maliciously and that's absolutely a serious concern, but it's news worthy because it's unusual. Much more frequently it's because some low-level worker wants to ensure a given county has enough OBGYNs or is worried about pay equality, and is just trying to help best they can.
Unsure specifically and don't want to give bad info on assumptions, but sex/gender wasn't my focus. My point was more that the data collected by various government agencies, even when it seems "unnecessary", often has value well beyond what's obvious. It's also (usually) not being collected maliciously. A direct example involving gender would be the "math gene" study. Even though it was popularized entirely out of context, the actual science behind it was incredibly important.
I hate that I have to upvote this 😥 That little one in the background. Oh my God, my heart. It's disgusting, and this is one of the more tame ones 😓
Sure, 100% agreed! That's kind of what I was getting at with the "1 by 1" thing. There are plenty of us actively trying to do something, either by way of mutual aid, letter-writing / congressional pressure, voting and assisting with voter registration, protesting, etc. We all hate this, we're deeply embarrassed and I swear we're trying. It's just that the system was setup, incidentally or otherwise, to make it incredibly hard to reach critical mass :(
These studies not only dramatically improved our understanding of schizophrenia, they also helped demonstrate the existence of epigenetics, which we now understand to be an extremely significant portion of molecular biology. These studies would have been 100% impossible without the extensive records the Danish government kept, as any one hospital / region would not have had nearly enough data to support these sorts of studies.
Ok, here's a real example of why and how this info can have a legitimate use. In the late 1960s, Seymour Kety led a study trying to understand the genetic component (if any) of schizophrenia. They were only able to do this successfully due to Danish record keeping being both rigorous and extensive, as they were comparing rates of the disorder across adopted children with bio and/or adoptive parents with the disorder (insanely specific sample group). (Continued, 1/2ish)
The ACAB rule applies here too. Can you search 1 by 1 and find a good one? (Cop or American, either apply) Of course. But if you're talking about the group as a whole, it's entirely reasonable to assume the whole bunch is spoiled given the actions and choices in aggregate. It absolutely sucks for the decent people in America, but acting as if it's unreasonable for other nations to make the same assumptions about us as we make about cops is ridiculous.
And they shouldn't. The end of the "bad apples" quote is "spoils the bunch", and at this point the US apple harvest has been entirely spoiled. You can certainly still look at the apples one by one and find plenty of good ones, but if you're talking about the overall population the right answer is to treat us as entirely ruined.
Here here! Never fails, I get 4 or 5 deep, then pause to scroll back up and, yep, it's Hoop, blessing us again.
Hey, question since you brought it up: would school voucher programs work if they couldn't be used for tuition at faith-based schools? (Not a gotcha or anything, genuinely curious)I understand that it doesn't solve the problem for the kids whose parents can't/ won't use the vouchers, but would the end result still be a net-positive, since at least "some" kids are getting a better education? Assuming of course we don't evaluate it again using those same funds for a different program?
Oh, to be clear my example is foggy from an old memory, so if someone knows better and I'm wrong just insert "for proper and legitimate animal husbandry reasons" instead!
Tiny addendum? There is a (small, unfortunately) subset of those "safari hunting adventures" groups who only do an extremely limited number of hunts, only allow the "hunter" to kill one, very specific animal, and only in circumstances like "this older male is killing all the younger male challengers and the herd/pack/whatever needs genetic diversity". They also charge an especially high price and use the profit for further conservation efforts. I feel ok about those. Fully on board otherwise.
I mean...not that I think it's likely or anything, but think about all the dumb shit that kids do, even through teenage years. Unlikely, sure, but any non-zero chance for serious harm to a critically endangered species is a risk I have to imagine their keepers have to take seriously just in case today is the day the panda decides to be extra stupid.
Costco actually "only" hires from within unless they need a niche, highly technical position that they can't train internally (senior devops, staff marketing manager, etc). But once they fill that role, they'll bring up every other role for that division from within.
|...because there are children elsewhere actively being bombed...Look, yeah that's horrible and I don't want to minimize that in the least, but a dude in the ER with a broken arm doesn't suddenly feel better when someone gets wheeled in with two broken legs, you know? Your pain and experience is valid, regardless of how many people "have it worse".
Fuck yeah brother/sister (as preferred)! I do the same with a button on my backpack. I'm a cishet white guy so really the only buff I'm missing is "rich", I otherwise have about as much privilage as one can have. That makes it WAY safer for me to be outspoken and loudly supportive, and I'd be a real PoS if I knew that and kept quiet anyway.
I'm a pretty big fan of human rights. Trans rights are human rights. To my fellow cishet allies: our privilage makes it safer for us to be outspoken than it is for our LGBTQ+ friends.
"Your puny Worm God weapon is no match for my superior Christmas kung fu" is the best chapter title in the history of English language novels and I will absolutely die on this hill! (From Moore's book 'The Stupidest Angel')
Sometimes. The cold air return on the first floor of my house uses ductwork, but the second floor is just a cavity leading down. My last house was all duck work, but the house I grew up in was just a hole in the floor with a vent cover.
I've always heard it used for someone introspective. They have a deeper understanding of themselves than most people build in a lifetime, hence "the soul is older". Guess I won't be using that phrase anymore 😕
Just in case that's a new word for anyone: it's the same thing we use to smell.
Meaning you have a few outer extremes where an individual politician or soldier is >=90% personally responsible for a given atrocity, and most of the individuals fall roughly in the middle of the bell curve. And while I would assume the top of the curve is likely closer to a 40/60 split, with more of the blame on the officials, it's still gonna be a curve. It's a boring answer, but the most accurate one 🤷♂️ (2/2)
The problem with both approaches is that it's all or nothing; either the individual is personally responsible or they aren't, and it's not that simple. There are so many little nuances that no blanket statement could ever be accurate, but we humans love our categories so we try anyway. That leaves us with only one (unsatisfying) choice: generalization. "If you plot the % of responsibility for wartime atrocities across individual soldiers and politicians you find a standard distribution". (1/2)
I'd say the odds are pretty good that trump knew Iraq and Iran weren't the same place, but also pretty good that he believed they were basically the same in terms of military capability, landscape, culture, etc. too. And yeah ...they're certainly not.
You're close, but in my experience "poor people" is just code for "minorities". What they're really saying is "most minorities are criminals". For some of them it's the sad but expected result of decades of propaganda, and the rest are just racist asshats.
Heh, I posted somewhere else in this thread that I did too and thought it was awesome!
#43 one of my early tech jobs was as an admin for servers in a data center, and I split time about 60/40 between software related stuff and physical "rack and stack" work where I was doing largely-mindless physical work. It was glorious. Now my job is "all brain no body" and I'm more tired at the end of the day than I felt even when I was working construction (granted, I'm also 20+ years older, which doesn't help)
Reagan "failed to put them back"*. They were removed for a legitimate reason (plumbing upgrade, I think?), but Reagan chose not to have them reinstalled after. Not trying to be pedantic, it's the same end state either way. Just arming you with facts so dumbasses can't try and derail a conversation when something you say is a tiny bit off.
Yes, I am aware that eastern traditional medicine is a thing and people do horrid shit for some of it. My point was more that, broadly speaking, that horrid shit isn't the norm.
Different interpretations, yes. Objective facts are not open to discussion though. The indisputable facts are:
- neighbor stepped directly in front of a moving motorcycle, causing a (relatively minor) crash
- Alan tries to leave, neighbor initiated physical contact twice before Alan responds physically
You're welcome to "interpret" that however you want, but age/size/training doesn't matter in light of those two facts.
One critical point I'd like to make: in *most* instances the data being collected is for benign or positive reasons because it's the result of normal humans trying to do a job.
Occasionally that data is used maliciously and that's absolutely a serious concern, but it's news worthy because it's unusual.
Much more frequently it's because some low-level worker wants to ensure a given county has enough OBGYNs or is worried about pay equality, and is just trying to help best they can.
Unsure specifically and don't want to give bad info on assumptions, but sex/gender wasn't my focus. My point was more that the data collected by various government agencies, even when it seems "unnecessary", often has value well beyond what's obvious. It's also (usually) not being collected maliciously.
A direct example involving gender would be the "math gene" study. Even though it was popularized entirely out of context, the actual science behind it was incredibly important.
I hate that I have to upvote this 😥
That little one in the background. Oh my God, my heart. It's disgusting, and this is one of the more tame ones 😓
Sure, 100% agreed! That's kind of what I was getting at with the "1 by 1" thing. There are plenty of us actively trying to do something, either by way of mutual aid, letter-writing / congressional pressure, voting and assisting with voter registration, protesting, etc. We all hate this, we're deeply embarrassed and I swear we're trying. It's just that the system was setup, incidentally or otherwise, to make it incredibly hard to reach critical mass :(
These studies not only dramatically improved our understanding of schizophrenia, they also helped demonstrate the existence of epigenetics, which we now understand to be an extremely significant portion of molecular biology.
These studies would have been 100% impossible without the extensive records the Danish government kept, as any one hospital / region would not have had nearly enough data to support these sorts of studies.
Ok, here's a real example of why and how this info can have a legitimate use.
In the late 1960s, Seymour Kety led a study trying to understand the genetic component (if any) of schizophrenia. They were only able to do this successfully due to Danish record keeping being both rigorous and extensive, as they were comparing rates of the disorder across adopted children with bio and/or adoptive parents with the disorder (insanely specific sample group).
(Continued, 1/2ish)
The ACAB rule applies here too. Can you search 1 by 1 and find a good one? (Cop or American, either apply) Of course. But if you're talking about the group as a whole, it's entirely reasonable to assume the whole bunch is spoiled given the actions and choices in aggregate.
It absolutely sucks for the decent people in America, but acting as if it's unreasonable for other nations to make the same assumptions about us as we make about cops is ridiculous.
And they shouldn't. The end of the "bad apples" quote is "spoils the bunch", and at this point the US apple harvest has been entirely spoiled. You can certainly still look at the apples one by one and find plenty of good ones, but if you're talking about the overall population the right answer is to treat us as entirely ruined.
Here here! Never fails, I get 4 or 5 deep, then pause to scroll back up and, yep, it's Hoop, blessing us again.
Hey, question since you brought it up: would school voucher programs work if they couldn't be used for tuition at faith-based schools? (Not a gotcha or anything, genuinely curious)
I understand that it doesn't solve the problem for the kids whose parents can't/ won't use the vouchers, but would the end result still be a net-positive, since at least "some" kids are getting a better education? Assuming of course we don't evaluate it again using those same funds for a different program?
Oh, to be clear my example is foggy from an old memory, so if someone knows better and I'm wrong just insert "for proper and legitimate animal husbandry reasons" instead!
Tiny addendum? There is a (small, unfortunately) subset of those "safari hunting adventures" groups who only do an extremely limited number of hunts, only allow the "hunter" to kill one, very specific animal, and only in circumstances like "this older male is killing all the younger male challengers and the herd/pack/whatever needs genetic diversity". They also charge an especially high price and use the profit for further conservation efforts.
I feel ok about those. Fully on board otherwise.
I mean...not that I think it's likely or anything, but think about all the dumb shit that kids do, even through teenage years. Unlikely, sure, but any non-zero chance for serious harm to a critically endangered species is a risk I have to imagine their keepers have to take seriously just in case today is the day the panda decides to be extra stupid.
Costco actually "only" hires from within unless they need a niche, highly technical position that they can't train internally (senior devops, staff marketing manager, etc). But once they fill that role, they'll bring up every other role for that division from within.
|...because there are children elsewhere actively being bombed...
Look, yeah that's horrible and I don't want to minimize that in the least, but a dude in the ER with a broken arm doesn't suddenly feel better when someone gets wheeled in with two broken legs, you know?
Your pain and experience is valid, regardless of how many people "have it worse".
Fuck yeah brother/sister (as preferred)! I do the same with a button on my backpack. I'm a cishet white guy so really the only buff I'm missing is "rich", I otherwise have about as much privilage as one can have. That makes it WAY safer for me to be outspoken and loudly supportive, and I'd be a real PoS if I knew that and kept quiet anyway.
I'm a pretty big fan of human rights.
Trans rights are human rights.
To my fellow cishet allies: our privilage makes it safer for us to be outspoken than it is for our LGBTQ+ friends.
"Your puny Worm God weapon is no match for my superior Christmas kung fu" is the best chapter title in the history of English language novels and I will absolutely die on this hill!
(From Moore's book 'The Stupidest Angel')
Sometimes. The cold air return on the first floor of my house uses ductwork, but the second floor is just a cavity leading down. My last house was all duck work, but the house I grew up in was just a hole in the floor with a vent cover.
I've always heard it used for someone introspective. They have a deeper understanding of themselves than most people build in a lifetime, hence "the soul is older".
Guess I won't be using that phrase anymore 😕
Just in case that's a new word for anyone: it's the same thing we use to smell.
Meaning you have a few outer extremes where an individual politician or soldier is >=90% personally responsible for a given atrocity, and most of the individuals fall roughly in the middle of the bell curve.
And while I would assume the top of the curve is likely closer to a 40/60 split, with more of the blame on the officials, it's still gonna be a curve. It's a boring answer, but the most accurate one 🤷♂️ (2/2)
The problem with both approaches is that it's all or nothing; either the individual is personally responsible or they aren't, and it's not that simple. There are so many little nuances that no blanket statement could ever be accurate, but we humans love our categories so we try anyway.
That leaves us with only one (unsatisfying) choice: generalization. "If you plot the % of responsibility for wartime atrocities across individual soldiers and politicians you find a standard distribution". (1/2)
I'd say the odds are pretty good that trump knew Iraq and Iran weren't the same place, but also pretty good that he believed they were basically the same in terms of military capability, landscape, culture, etc. too.
And yeah ...they're certainly not.
You're close, but in my experience "poor people" is just code for "minorities". What they're really saying is "most minorities are criminals". For some of them it's the sad but expected result of decades of propaganda, and the rest are just racist asshats.
Heh, I posted somewhere else in this thread that I did too and thought it was awesome!
#43 one of my early tech jobs was as an admin for servers in a data center, and I split time about 60/40 between software related stuff and physical "rack and stack" work where I was doing largely-mindless physical work.
It was glorious.
Now my job is "all brain no body" and I'm more tired at the end of the day than I felt even when I was working construction (granted, I'm also 20+ years older, which doesn't help)
Reagan "failed to put them back"*. They were removed for a legitimate reason (plumbing upgrade, I think?), but Reagan chose not to have them reinstalled after.
Not trying to be pedantic, it's the same end state either way. Just arming you with facts so dumbasses can't try and derail a conversation when something you say is a tiny bit off.
Yes, I am aware that eastern traditional medicine is a thing and people do horrid shit for some of it. My point was more that, broadly speaking, that horrid shit isn't the norm.