164 pts ยท May 17, 2022
The ones I mentioned are gay, because they're the ones we were discussing. There are plenty of other disturbing "couples" that people try to force, from trying to alienate male/female friendships such as Potter/Granger to downright creepy involving minors. Again, ship whoever you like in your own fantasy. It's the pretence that a simple sign of friendship implies a sexual relationship that's so toxic. Sex/romance makes up a tiny minority of relationships. Allow fiction to represent that.
Care to back that up, because the stats strongly disagree. Female on make abuse is much more likely to be physical. It's also much less likely to be reported (and, as you say, less likely to be treated seriously if reported.)There's a toxic expectation that it's ok for women to hit men, because it won't hurt them. There's further issues where a man knows that if he defends himself at all he'll be labelled the abuser.Not all men are physically stronger than all women either...
The clip presented is pulling for "be an asshole." The group they've chosen to hate may be different, but it's still arguing for hate instead of equality. You are right to be concerned by it. The full speech may put this in context, but OP chose not to.
I could not disagree more strongly. A man is no more responsible for the abusive behaviour of others than a woman is. If you see abuse and don't speak up, that's problematic regardless of your gender. Throwing me under the bus because other men are abusive is ridiculous.You cannot blame people for being part of a biological group that happens to include bad people. That's textbook discrimination, sexism and bigotry. And if you act on this bigotry, that makes you an abuser.
I honestly don't care what you picture. It's hilarious that you assume that would offend me. Rather, I hate the idea of projecting sexuality into normal friendships. Charles and Eric, Frodo and Sam, Bert and Ernie etc. This does nothing for Harry people, whilst adding barriers to male friendship.
And Aslan was a Jesus allegory, but that doesn't mean that his roar was meant to be a take on sermon on the mount. An allegory doesn't justify making ridiculous leaps in logic. Those two characters may be hetero, they may not be. A photo of two guys together implies nothing whatsoever.
#21 Nope. Firstly, for several martial arts white isn't the beginner belt. It can be red. Depending on the school, they could've been training for years.More importantly, that's someone who's committed to learning self defence. As in, they know 100% more than someone who has no belt.
A: Hey, let's go to the carnival! B: Why don't wasps die when they sting you. A: Did that girl ever call you back? B: We probably couldn't make it to Tokyo by nightfall anyway. A: I don't think goldfish can breathe in salt water. All logically connected statements following my chain of thought, but without communicating those connections it's not a conversation at all.
#15 I'd say that's a perfectly normal chain of thought. The issue is that communication doesn't happen at the speed of thought, so the other person isn't following your reasoning. Conversation is an art form. If it seems to jump from one point to another with no communicated connection, it feels directionless. You can jump occasionally, otherwise you can guide it in a direction and hope your fellow conversationalist isn't guiding it somewhere incompatible. Otherwise you end up with:
Does it help if I tell you there's a famous animated fight where we see all four walls of a bathroom, none of which include a door or window?See: Batman, Under the Red Hood. An otherwise excellent movie.
You think people are buying this soap because they think it's a serious way to reinforce masculinity? You have to be kidding. It's a ridiculous novelty, in a novelty shape that will appeal to some people who aren't taking themselves too seriously. Ie: this product appeals to men who are trying to get past toxic masculinity. Not every joke about men is at the expense of men, but this one is reinforcing a toxic double standard. If soap is allowed to be excessively feminine, it can be masculine.
Nope, I got the point. Novelty and fun aren't things men are allowed to have, and criticising men is to be encouraged because they have things so easy. Letting them enjoy things without toxic masculinity forcing them to conform might help the mental health epidemic and may even reduce the suicide rate, but yeah this joke at their expense is really funny I guess...
I don't think so. I think people like to say "it's just a joke" when they realise their own bigotry is just as bad as what they accuse others of.Ironic that you talk about hypocritisy in gender viewpoints, it's exactly what you're defending.Note I haven't insulted or criticised anyone. I just don't think it wise to further alienate anyone for wanting something harmless and fun.
#9 Yeah, cos we all know there's no novelty shaped soap targeted towards any other market? Let men have things they want without shaming them. Men get discouraged from allowing themselves little pleasures enough, why add to it?
I vote we use the same gallows, but don't hang them by the neck. Hang them by their genitals until dead. It'll take longer, be more humiliating, and they'll get to regret their greed as they watch their wealth be dissipated into the population.
I would 100% try this at least a dozen times even without a prize. It's not a gambling issue, it's the curiosity that something that feels so clearly within grasp is so stubbornly refusing to work.
Considering it's what the current government is trying to set up, and that they have a considerable following...
70 is nowhere even vaguely close to pipes freezing. 70 is a beautiful summers day, arguably slightly too warm for strenuous activity but great for relaxing.
As someone who actively dislikes cats, I'm convinced the opposite is true. If I'm in a house with a cat, the more actively I try to avoid it the more it'll pester me.I have a mild allergy, if I touch them I'll essentially get a cold for a few days. Admittedly this may bias me against them.
While cooking I respect. I just don't want it on my plate.
I dunno, I ordered fish in a restaurant once and it came with the bones still in it. Apparently that made it fancier? More commonly wings, ribs, t-bone etc tend to come with bones for no reason other than to hide that it's less actual meat than the burger.
Everything! It's literally a tool designed to collect nudea of people who think they'll be wiped.
Do you seriously believe that 330bn allocated to this could ever all find it's way into the hands of the people who need it, or be otherwise responsibly spent? It would be filtered directly into the pockets of people who already have enough. It would cost as much again to bypass corruption as it would to solve the issue.
Essentially: nutrients are good for you, and if you miss out on one the others can't do their jobs.
I recognise the Friends and Fresh Prince guys. That's it.
#5 That's like saying the tastiest thing a chef can make is a dish containing no human flesh. Sure, both are pretty crucial to being attractive whatsoever, but they're also really, really low bars to set.
Then, as soon as they can't feasibly return to that spot but while still in their eyeline, return to the car and drive away.
I count at least 3.
I have. My understanding was that they are supposed to be funny? You just stated something that wasn't true. This is the internet, nothing you pay can be so ridiculous as to be obviously insincere.
The ones I mentioned are gay, because they're the ones we were discussing. There are plenty of other disturbing "couples" that people try to force, from trying to alienate male/female friendships such as Potter/Granger to downright creepy involving minors.
Again, ship whoever you like in your own fantasy. It's the pretence that a simple sign of friendship implies a sexual relationship that's so toxic. Sex/romance makes up a tiny minority of relationships. Allow fiction to represent that.
Care to back that up, because the stats strongly disagree. Female on make abuse is much more likely to be physical. It's also much less likely to be reported (and, as you say, less likely to be treated seriously if reported.)
There's a toxic expectation that it's ok for women to hit men, because it won't hurt them. There's further issues where a man knows that if he defends himself at all he'll be labelled the abuser.
Not all men are physically stronger than all women either...
The clip presented is pulling for "be an asshole." The group they've chosen to hate may be different, but it's still arguing for hate instead of equality. You are right to be concerned by it.
The full speech may put this in context, but OP chose not to.
I could not disagree more strongly. A man is no more responsible for the abusive behaviour of others than a woman is. If you see abuse and don't speak up, that's problematic regardless of your gender. Throwing me under the bus because other men are abusive is ridiculous.
You cannot blame people for being part of a biological group that happens to include bad people. That's textbook discrimination, sexism and bigotry. And if you act on this bigotry, that makes you an abuser.
I honestly don't care what you picture. It's hilarious that you assume that would offend me. Rather, I hate the idea of projecting sexuality into normal friendships. Charles and Eric, Frodo and Sam, Bert and Ernie etc. This does nothing for Harry people, whilst adding barriers to male friendship.
And Aslan was a Jesus allegory, but that doesn't mean that his roar was meant to be a take on sermon on the mount.
An allegory doesn't justify making ridiculous leaps in logic. Those two characters may be hetero, they may not be. A photo of two guys together implies nothing whatsoever.
#21 Nope. Firstly, for several martial arts white isn't the beginner belt. It can be red. Depending on the school, they could've been training for years.
More importantly, that's someone who's committed to learning self defence. As in, they know 100% more than someone who has no belt.
A: Hey, let's go to the carnival!
B: Why don't wasps die when they sting you.
A: Did that girl ever call you back?
B: We probably couldn't make it to Tokyo by nightfall anyway.
A: I don't think goldfish can breathe in salt water.
All logically connected statements following my chain of thought, but without communicating those connections it's not a conversation at all.
#15 I'd say that's a perfectly normal chain of thought. The issue is that communication doesn't happen at the speed of thought, so the other person isn't following your reasoning.
Conversation is an art form. If it seems to jump from one point to another with no communicated connection, it feels directionless. You can jump occasionally, otherwise you can guide it in a direction and hope your fellow conversationalist isn't guiding it somewhere incompatible.
Otherwise you end up with:
Does it help if I tell you there's a famous animated fight where we see all four walls of a bathroom, none of which include a door or window?
See: Batman, Under the Red Hood. An otherwise excellent movie.
You think people are buying this soap because they think it's a serious way to reinforce masculinity? You have to be kidding. It's a ridiculous novelty, in a novelty shape that will appeal to some people who aren't taking themselves too seriously. Ie: this product appeals to men who are trying to get past toxic masculinity.
Not every joke about men is at the expense of men, but this one is reinforcing a toxic double standard. If soap is allowed to be excessively feminine, it can be masculine.
Nope, I got the point. Novelty and fun aren't things men are allowed to have, and criticising men is to be encouraged because they have things so easy.
Letting them enjoy things without toxic masculinity forcing them to conform might help the mental health epidemic and may even reduce the suicide rate, but yeah this joke at their expense is really funny I guess...
I don't think so. I think people like to say "it's just a joke" when they realise their own bigotry is just as bad as what they accuse others of.
Ironic that you talk about hypocritisy in gender viewpoints, it's exactly what you're defending.
Note I haven't insulted or criticised anyone. I just don't think it wise to further alienate anyone for wanting something harmless and fun.
#9 Yeah, cos we all know there's no novelty shaped soap targeted towards any other market?
Let men have things they want without shaming them. Men get discouraged from allowing themselves little pleasures enough, why add to it?
I vote we use the same gallows, but don't hang them by the neck. Hang them by their genitals until dead. It'll take longer, be more humiliating, and they'll get to regret their greed as they watch their wealth be dissipated into the population.
I would 100% try this at least a dozen times even without a prize. It's not a gambling issue, it's the curiosity that something that feels so clearly within grasp is so stubbornly refusing to work.
Considering it's what the current government is trying to set up, and that they have a considerable following...
70 is nowhere even vaguely close to pipes freezing. 70 is a beautiful summers day, arguably slightly too warm for strenuous activity but great for relaxing.
As someone who actively dislikes cats, I'm convinced the opposite is true. If I'm in a house with a cat, the more actively I try to avoid it the more it'll pester me.
I have a mild allergy, if I touch them I'll essentially get a cold for a few days. Admittedly this may bias me against them.
While cooking I respect. I just don't want it on my plate.
I dunno, I ordered fish in a restaurant once and it came with the bones still in it. Apparently that made it fancier?
More commonly wings, ribs, t-bone etc tend to come with bones for no reason other than to hide that it's less actual meat than the burger.
Everything! It's literally a tool designed to collect nudea of people who think they'll be wiped.
Do you seriously believe that 330bn allocated to this could ever all find it's way into the hands of the people who need it, or be otherwise responsibly spent? It would be filtered directly into the pockets of people who already have enough. It would cost as much again to bypass corruption as it would to solve the issue.
Essentially: nutrients are good for you, and if you miss out on one the others can't do their jobs.
I recognise the Friends and Fresh Prince guys. That's it.
#5 That's like saying the tastiest thing a chef can make is a dish containing no human flesh. Sure, both are pretty crucial to being attractive whatsoever, but they're also really, really low bars to set.
Then, as soon as they can't feasibly return to that spot but while still in their eyeline, return to the car and drive away.
I count at least 3.
I have. My understanding was that they are supposed to be funny? You just stated something that wasn't true. This is the internet, nothing you pay can be so ridiculous as to be obviously insincere.