286 pts ยท September 29, 2016
Just want to understand the world better and help others do the same.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/
Statistical evidence more or less, something that is objective.
Well what I mean by it is its dictionary definition, which is a "story" or personal account of a situation.
In real face to face conversations, adults respond much better my way. But I we we're going to have to agree to disagree.
localization.
Yeah and I can show statistics where women make more than men in the same jobs if they are both single in the same city. It's all about 1/
What? You asked in that comment why do people just say "I've seen" to deny. And I haven't given any prior anecdotal evidence. Keep up.
unfounded bias. I use anecdotes to show I'm not just being an ass. 2/
It works both ways, but your way makes it seem as though I am maliciously looking to find faults in someone else ideas, like I have an 1/
saying women asking for a raise isn't even close to being on that level. 2/
You're right there are degrees to it, but a random killing of someone in public is about as absolute as a social norm can get. I'm 1/
evidence. 2/
You come off like a dumbass if you just say "nope, don't believe you for any particular reason" it's a means to justify why I want more 1/
case, they came to an agreement. She comes in 30 mins earlier, and gets a much larger increase in pay. I can go on if you want. 2/
Didn't want to have to whip this out, but 2 months ago my mom asked for a raise, laid out everything she does for the company, made her 1/
means it's not a social norm. Because society doesn't share that idea as a belief. 3/
to someone on the street and say "hey women shouldn't ask for raises, am I right?" Most will say I'm wrong that they should, so that 2/
No because thats just about what you think. The social implies a group of people share this belief as a common norm. So if I go and talk 1/
As we've already gone over, there are factors which need to be studied further. Once that is in then we'll have the definitive answer.
as an absolute. Either put out the caveat in or anti-up the research showing how often it happens 2/
I forgot it's sometimes socially acceptable to kill people in public, my bad. What I'm saying is specify the language because it comes 1/
I'll reserve judgement until a significant meta-analysis of all the research is done.
They made a universal assertion that women asking for a raise is not socially acceptable. All I need is one example to show its not absolute
for a raise, I've seen that point contradicted too many times in my life to believe it. 2/
Never seen those studies before, I'll have to look. But the second part is false it is in no way not socially acceptable for women to ask 1/
Yes I know and more research is being done. If you are implying that the wage gap is some kind of malevolent ploy against women, I doubt it.
Doesn't take into account how men ask for raises more often, and negotiate higher salaries than women.
It does, like the gap showing young single adult women make more than their male counterparts in the same position in many major cities.
There are a few studies showing men are more likely to ask for a raise, and a much higher one than women. Could make up for remaining gap.
Was about to say this. It's like some people just read the title of studies and claim they have the facts.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/genevieve-wood/what-pay-gap-young-women-out-earn-men-cities-gop-p/
Statistical evidence more or less, something that is objective.
Well what I mean by it is its dictionary definition, which is a "story" or personal account of a situation.
In real face to face conversations, adults respond much better my way. But I we we're going to have to agree to disagree.
localization.
Yeah and I can show statistics where women make more than men in the same jobs if they are both single in the same city. It's all about 1/
What? You asked in that comment why do people just say "I've seen" to deny. And I haven't given any prior anecdotal evidence. Keep up.
unfounded bias. I use anecdotes to show I'm not just being an ass. 2/
It works both ways, but your way makes it seem as though I am maliciously looking to find faults in someone else ideas, like I have an 1/
saying women asking for a raise isn't even close to being on that level. 2/
You're right there are degrees to it, but a random killing of someone in public is about as absolute as a social norm can get. I'm 1/
evidence. 2/
You come off like a dumbass if you just say "nope, don't believe you for any particular reason" it's a means to justify why I want more 1/
case, they came to an agreement. She comes in 30 mins earlier, and gets a much larger increase in pay. I can go on if you want. 2/
Didn't want to have to whip this out, but 2 months ago my mom asked for a raise, laid out everything she does for the company, made her 1/
means it's not a social norm. Because society doesn't share that idea as a belief. 3/
to someone on the street and say "hey women shouldn't ask for raises, am I right?" Most will say I'm wrong that they should, so that 2/
No because thats just about what you think. The social implies a group of people share this belief as a common norm. So if I go and talk 1/
As we've already gone over, there are factors which need to be studied further. Once that is in then we'll have the definitive answer.
as an absolute. Either put out the caveat in or anti-up the research showing how often it happens 2/
I forgot it's sometimes socially acceptable to kill people in public, my bad. What I'm saying is specify the language because it comes 1/
I'll reserve judgement until a significant meta-analysis of all the research is done.
They made a universal assertion that women asking for a raise is not socially acceptable. All I need is one example to show its not absolute
for a raise, I've seen that point contradicted too many times in my life to believe it. 2/
Never seen those studies before, I'll have to look. But the second part is false it is in no way not socially acceptable for women to ask 1/
Yes I know and more research is being done. If you are implying that the wage gap is some kind of malevolent ploy against women, I doubt it.
Doesn't take into account how men ask for raises more often, and negotiate higher salaries than women.
It does, like the gap showing young single adult women make more than their male counterparts in the same position in many major cities.
There are a few studies showing men are more likely to ask for a raise, and a much higher one than women. Could make up for remaining gap.
Was about to say this. It's like some people just read the title of studies and claim they have the facts.