10625 pts · January 19, 2013
I fly fighters for a living. It has nothing to do with the threat of “falling out of the sky”.
Yeah, that just isn’t true.
question being discussed wasn't "what is adequate for home defense?" It's, "What's better?" And the answer isn't "shotguns". (3)
that is, to repeat myself again, easier to use, has lower overpenetration issues, greater versatility, less recoil, and more rounds. The (2)
Or for slightly more (which is why I said it's a wash, but I suppose opinions can differ) you can grab an AR at $500 and have a rifle (1)
Nope. Objective facts: the AR holds more rounds, reloads faster, recoils less, penetrates less, and has simpler operation than a shotgun.
the point that a shotgun wins in single-shot stopping power, but it's infinitely easier and faster to hit a follow-up with an AR. (2)
Ballistics, capacity, manual of arms, ergonomics, availability of accessories, versatility. Affordability is a wash. I'll give you (1)
Or there's, you know, science. Which shows that 5.56 will penetrate fewer hard barriers (like drywall) and retain less energy than buckshot.
it, nobody likes to admit when they're wrong. Especially online. You don't have to say the words. Just stop moving goalposts. (3)
advantage in accuracy required (or not required, whatever), but there are a ton of drawbacks to a shotgun that an AR solves. But I get (2)
Except in the context of a home defense scenario (which is, after all, what we're talking about here) where there's almost no appreciable(1)
Invalid username. They're really not in almost any practical way.
I you're shooting a home invader who's 75 feet away, you're either shooting him in the back as he runs away or you've got a lovely home.
You're right. The AR is the better option in almost every single measurable way.
You get stopping power plus a greater risk of overpenetration, less capacity, and pretty much the same level of accuracy required as 5.56!
That's... horribly wrong.
4-year-old me once learned that yelling "Shit!" repeatedly in church was a good way to go home and not have to go to church anymore.
Why, did you take a look down your trousers again?
On the table, half-mast?
If you're gonna talk shit about the original intent of Lego (or LEGO, I'll play my own game) and call yourself a purist, you gotta commit.
Downvoted for being a Lego snob while still using an s to pluralize "Lego".
Agreed. When people point out FDR having been socialist-leaning, I say, "Yeah, didn't really like him either."
I think you won this one. Sweet dodge by the other guy.
(-) I'm a communications and information systems tech. (+) I fly Hornets.
I just sawed through The Pacific in two days. As a Marine, it's blasphemy, but I liked Band of Brothers better.
Some of your descriptions of weapons systems aren't entirely accurate, since we're playing this game. But overall not bad.
Thanks for saying this. I sold lighting/batteries for a few years and I tested ours vs. generic. Dollar store batteries are garbage.
(for lack of a better term) is. I think that had the lift fan of the B not been a requirement, we'd all be much happier with the 35. (end)
in forced a lot of compromises on the A/C variants and way more complexity than is needed. IMO multirole isn't the issue, but multi-type (4)
I fly fighters for a living. It has nothing to do with the threat of “falling out of the sky”.
Yeah, that just isn’t true.
question being discussed wasn't "what is adequate for home defense?" It's, "What's better?" And the answer isn't "shotguns". (3)
that is, to repeat myself again, easier to use, has lower overpenetration issues, greater versatility, less recoil, and more rounds. The (2)
Or for slightly more (which is why I said it's a wash, but I suppose opinions can differ) you can grab an AR at $500 and have a rifle (1)
Nope. Objective facts: the AR holds more rounds, reloads faster, recoils less, penetrates less, and has simpler operation than a shotgun.
the point that a shotgun wins in single-shot stopping power, but it's infinitely easier and faster to hit a follow-up with an AR. (2)
Ballistics, capacity, manual of arms, ergonomics, availability of accessories, versatility. Affordability is a wash. I'll give you (1)
Or there's, you know, science. Which shows that 5.56 will penetrate fewer hard barriers (like drywall) and retain less energy than buckshot.
it, nobody likes to admit when they're wrong. Especially online. You don't have to say the words. Just stop moving goalposts. (3)
advantage in accuracy required (or not required, whatever), but there are a ton of drawbacks to a shotgun that an AR solves. But I get (2)
Except in the context of a home defense scenario (which is, after all, what we're talking about here) where there's almost no appreciable(1)
Invalid username. They're really not in almost any practical way.
I you're shooting a home invader who's 75 feet away, you're either shooting him in the back as he runs away or you've got a lovely home.
You're right. The AR is the better option in almost every single measurable way.
You get stopping power plus a greater risk of overpenetration, less capacity, and pretty much the same level of accuracy required as 5.56!
That's... horribly wrong.
4-year-old me once learned that yelling "Shit!" repeatedly in church was a good way to go home and not have to go to church anymore.
Why, did you take a look down your trousers again?
On the table, half-mast?
If you're gonna talk shit about the original intent of Lego (or LEGO, I'll play my own game) and call yourself a purist, you gotta commit.
Downvoted for being a Lego snob while still using an s to pluralize "Lego".
Agreed. When people point out FDR having been socialist-leaning, I say, "Yeah, didn't really like him either."
I think you won this one. Sweet dodge by the other guy.
(-) I'm a communications and information systems tech. (+) I fly Hornets.
I just sawed through The Pacific in two days. As a Marine, it's blasphemy, but I liked Band of Brothers better.
Some of your descriptions of weapons systems aren't entirely accurate, since we're playing this game. But overall not bad.
Thanks for saying this. I sold lighting/batteries for a few years and I tested ours vs. generic. Dollar store batteries are garbage.
(for lack of a better term) is. I think that had the lift fan of the B not been a requirement, we'd all be much happier with the 35. (end)
in forced a lot of compromises on the A/C variants and way more complexity than is needed. IMO multirole isn't the issue, but multi-type (4)