95009 pts ยท December 1, 2015
Proof this community is a complete and utter joke. I just literally stated an utter truth, and I was MASS downvoted for it. It's really no wonder Trump and fascism is winning. Y'all are to blame for it, quite directly.
I dont want to delve into conspiracies, but it's unquestionable that Russian/Chinese bad actors have heavily infiltrated progressive circles online. The Mueller Report even proved this. These are the sort of groups that are most likely to push anti-Democrat sentiment.
The grand irony is that YOU likely never actually read that letter at all, or if you did, were somehow too dim to understand that his point is almost entirely about race, not about overall economic political ideology. smh
Oh my god, I hate this shit so much. You guys are as guilty as Republicans in twisting MLK's message to your own dishonest reality. When MLK is criticizing 'white moderates', he's not talking about the modern political terms we use these days. He's talking purely about attitudes towards the racial question specifically. Not as an overall political ideologically like y'all see these terms nowadays. smh
But that's not remotely unique to billionaires. You can find local business owners acting the same way.
No, I'm not being pedantic. This shit is important, cuz most of y'all are not making any distinction between what the actual people named in the Epstein files are *actually* guilty of. Simple association seems to be enough for most people to think they are guilty and deserving of being arrested. This is why it will backfire on Democrats, cuz if they get back into power, they will have to admit that most of the names weren't actually doing anything illegal, but people will still want blood.
Most people named in the Epstein files are not about 'who went to the island'. But even if it were to be reduced to that, is that really enough for you to imprison people over? It scares me cuz you dont seem to realize how this could be turned against you and others. This flimsy 'appearance' of guilt without any real proof. Of course any person with real strong evidence of abuse/rape of minors should be prosecuted, but simple association? You seem to have some cartoonish idea of the situation.
Oh please dont ever try me with the 'you need to understand' shit coming from people who barely have an 8th grade understanding of Civics. Fucking clowns. Anyways, you're literally just repeating my last sentence about you guys thinking you support socialism when you really support social democracy. Aka capitalism, just regulation and with social safety nets. That's not socialism.
Absolutely NOBODY is using this remixed history idea when they're talking about this, except perhaps you. You are insanely naive at best, or completely stupid at worst. People here are quite literally trying to claim that moderate Democrats like Biden are no different than Republicans. They VERY MUCH mean that.
There's no trolling or intelligent agenda here. These people are all just massively ignorant reactionaries. And just like Trump supporters, they dont care about the truth whatsoever. You will get downvoted if you explain to them where they are factually incorrect in their beliefs. They dont care if they're wrong, it's what they WANT to believe.
Way to show you've not understood anything I've said at all. I'm a firm progressive, practical, social democrat. My own ideology is quite established. It's you guys who clearly have no idea what you're talking about and what you propose to believe in. Mostly, y'all are just reactionaries who will take whatever stance you feel is most convenient to believe.
No. Just no. Socialism is not just some vague feeling of an idea. Socialism has a very hard meaning, and is quite literally incompatible with capitalism, basically as a rule. Literally, its whole point is to pose an alternative to capitalism. Social democracy is NOT socialism in any way shape or form. At all. Even the state-owned aspects are the literal OPPOSITE of worker-owned business+industry.
You guys are simply showing your ignorance of politics. Democratic Socialists dont believe in revolution. People like Bernie want the end goal of socialism, but want to work within the system to make gradual, rather than revolutionary change. Also, you guys are still too stupid to understand that Nordic countries are capitalist. Most all of you supposed 'socialists' are actually just social democrats who dont know the difference.
Bernie Sanders is a literal self-avowed socialist. Unless y'all think Bernie Sanders is too dumb and ignorant to understand his own politics(in which case you should very much question his intelligence), then you need to understand that Bernie Sanders is a socialist, and thus a leftist. In no world is a socialist ever a 'centrist'.
You might be one of the most confused and dumbest people I've seen here in their dishonest attempts to push anti-Democrat sentiment.
The fucking irony. Moderate Democrats are pretty much the most loyally and consistent anti-Republican voters there are. All while you guys have a giant laundry list of purity testing check marks you need people to pass or else you'll call them 'basically a Republican'. People like you are the reason Trump won. This constant Democrat bashing is the whole problem.
Almost all Democrats support minimum wage increase. They almost all support for regulating corporations. They almost all support raising taxes on on big corporations. People like you are the fascists' best friend. Just idiotic people who know nothing but will push anti-Democrat sentiment cuz it makes you feel morally superior to do so. Fucking clown idiots. Y'all are to blame for everything we're dealing with right now.
Absolutely fucking insane. Saying that lifelong Democrats are 'actually Republicans' is some of the dumbest nonsense you'll ever see. This is why Trump and co won in 2016 and 2024. You guys are all morons and do nothing but push the most idiotic talking points(often fed to you by Russian trolls) that push people away from wanting to vote for Democrats.
This is so painful, cuz people here still dont even know what 'socialist' actually means. (ironically the same thing they make fun of right wingers for) Most all of you are social democrats, not socialists.
In what world is a socialist 'not leftist'? You guys are basically no different from the far right saying that Mitt Romney is a 'leftist'.
There's no inconsistency at all. Socialism, as it's meant to actually work, has never really been tried cuz it couldn't ever work in any kind of major, complex economy. Especially in a global economy. It doesn't mean there's nothing to learn from it, but actual socialism is basically as dumb and idealistic as libertarianism. I do think we should encourage more co-ops and private stock companies and all, but this cannot be the RULE.
You're again proving my point. You dont care given one fucking shit about the truth. You're also proving that people like you dont actually read articles or anything, you just go by whatever some other reactionary on social media tells you to feel and believe. You're no different from a Trump supporter. If it's inconvenient to your preferred reality, you reject it and get angry at it.
Thanks for proving my point. I'm simply being reasonable. I hate Trump and the right with a burning passion. But because I'm being reasonable in this situation and not immediately buying into an obviously dubious and unsubstantiated narrative that this person was a right winger, you are jumping to the most extreme accusations against me. You're a reactionary moron who cares nothing about the truth.
Y'all are downvoting and burying my comment even though I'm literally 100% correct here. Y'all are no different from Trump supporters. You all completely reject reality when it doesn't fit what you want to believe.
Oh my god, you really want me to do your most basic of homework for you? lol Alright then - workers own and have full stake over their businesses and industry. It's literally as simple as that. It's fucking embarrassing as shit that y'all dont know this, and even moreso that y'all are downvoting me for pointing this out. It's really no wonder Trump won. Most all of y'all are morons.
No they dont, they're dishonestly pushing a narrative. No different to how Trump supporters usually do.
Frankly people like you are disgusting, and no better than Trump supporters who are eager to pin any mass killing on a leftist with no info. Literally nothing in the article suggests the person was a 'radicalized right winger'. That's something you added yourself in a completely dishonest attempt to push a narrative before we know more facts. I hate the right, but I dont want people like you within our movement at all. Lying, propagandist shitbags.
It's always extremely embarrassing to see pro-socialist people who dont understand that Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist countries as well. People like you, as with like 80%+ of supposed 'socialists' in this country, have no idea what 'socialism' actually means, and confuse democratic socialism with social democracy.
So this has gotten quite out of hand. And it's going to backfire for Democrats in the long run cuz of this. Simply being 'named' in the Epstein files isn't proof of any guilt. Epstein was a guy who ingratiated himself within the circles of the rich and famous, and simply associating with him at some point doesn't make you guilty of any wrongdoing, let alone sex trafficking/pedophilia. Also, people like you would 100% change your tune if some popular progressive was named.
Clinton reigned over probably the most independently successful era of modern American history. In no world was he a 'moderate Republican'. I'll never understand this dumbshit accusation of Democrats, cuz if they were just like Republicans as y'all claim, they obviously wouldn't run as a Democrat and run on and push successful Democrat policies. People like you are basically no different to Trump supporters who claim John McCain was a 'liberal'.
Proof this community is a complete and utter joke. I just literally stated an utter truth, and I was MASS downvoted for it. It's really no wonder Trump and fascism is winning. Y'all are to blame for it, quite directly.
I dont want to delve into conspiracies, but it's unquestionable that Russian/Chinese bad actors have heavily infiltrated progressive circles online. The Mueller Report even proved this. These are the sort of groups that are most likely to push anti-Democrat sentiment.
The grand irony is that YOU likely never actually read that letter at all, or if you did, were somehow too dim to understand that his point is almost entirely about race, not about overall economic political ideology. smh
Oh my god, I hate this shit so much. You guys are as guilty as Republicans in twisting MLK's message to your own dishonest reality. When MLK is criticizing 'white moderates', he's not talking about the modern political terms we use these days. He's talking purely about attitudes towards the racial question specifically. Not as an overall political ideologically like y'all see these terms nowadays. smh
But that's not remotely unique to billionaires. You can find local business owners acting the same way.
No, I'm not being pedantic. This shit is important, cuz most of y'all are not making any distinction between what the actual people named in the Epstein files are *actually* guilty of. Simple association seems to be enough for most people to think they are guilty and deserving of being arrested. This is why it will backfire on Democrats, cuz if they get back into power, they will have to admit that most of the names weren't actually doing anything illegal, but people will still want blood.
Most people named in the Epstein files are not about 'who went to the island'. But even if it were to be reduced to that, is that really enough for you to imprison people over? It scares me cuz you dont seem to realize how this could be turned against you and others. This flimsy 'appearance' of guilt without any real proof. Of course any person with real strong evidence of abuse/rape of minors should be prosecuted, but simple association? You seem to have some cartoonish idea of the situation.
Oh please dont ever try me with the 'you need to understand' shit coming from people who barely have an 8th grade understanding of Civics. Fucking clowns. Anyways, you're literally just repeating my last sentence about you guys thinking you support socialism when you really support social democracy. Aka capitalism, just regulation and with social safety nets. That's not socialism.
Absolutely NOBODY is using this remixed history idea when they're talking about this, except perhaps you. You are insanely naive at best, or completely stupid at worst. People here are quite literally trying to claim that moderate Democrats like Biden are no different than Republicans. They VERY MUCH mean that.
There's no trolling or intelligent agenda here. These people are all just massively ignorant reactionaries. And just like Trump supporters, they dont care about the truth whatsoever. You will get downvoted if you explain to them where they are factually incorrect in their beliefs. They dont care if they're wrong, it's what they WANT to believe.
Way to show you've not understood anything I've said at all. I'm a firm progressive, practical, social democrat. My own ideology is quite established. It's you guys who clearly have no idea what you're talking about and what you propose to believe in. Mostly, y'all are just reactionaries who will take whatever stance you feel is most convenient to believe.
No. Just no. Socialism is not just some vague feeling of an idea. Socialism has a very hard meaning, and is quite literally incompatible with capitalism, basically as a rule. Literally, its whole point is to pose an alternative to capitalism. Social democracy is NOT socialism in any way shape or form. At all. Even the state-owned aspects are the literal OPPOSITE of worker-owned business+industry.
You guys are simply showing your ignorance of politics. Democratic Socialists dont believe in revolution. People like Bernie want the end goal of socialism, but want to work within the system to make gradual, rather than revolutionary change. Also, you guys are still too stupid to understand that Nordic countries are capitalist. Most all of you supposed 'socialists' are actually just social democrats who dont know the difference.
Bernie Sanders is a literal self-avowed socialist. Unless y'all think Bernie Sanders is too dumb and ignorant to understand his own politics(in which case you should very much question his intelligence), then you need to understand that Bernie Sanders is a socialist, and thus a leftist. In no world is a socialist ever a 'centrist'.
You might be one of the most confused and dumbest people I've seen here in their dishonest attempts to push anti-Democrat sentiment.
The fucking irony. Moderate Democrats are pretty much the most loyally and consistent anti-Republican voters there are. All while you guys have a giant laundry list of purity testing check marks you need people to pass or else you'll call them 'basically a Republican'. People like you are the reason Trump won. This constant Democrat bashing is the whole problem.
Almost all Democrats support minimum wage increase. They almost all support for regulating corporations. They almost all support raising taxes on on big corporations. People like you are the fascists' best friend. Just idiotic people who know nothing but will push anti-Democrat sentiment cuz it makes you feel morally superior to do so. Fucking clown idiots. Y'all are to blame for everything we're dealing with right now.
Absolutely fucking insane. Saying that lifelong Democrats are 'actually Republicans' is some of the dumbest nonsense you'll ever see. This is why Trump and co won in 2016 and 2024. You guys are all morons and do nothing but push the most idiotic talking points(often fed to you by Russian trolls) that push people away from wanting to vote for Democrats.
This is so painful, cuz people here still dont even know what 'socialist' actually means. (ironically the same thing they make fun of right wingers for) Most all of you are social democrats, not socialists.
In what world is a socialist 'not leftist'? You guys are basically no different from the far right saying that Mitt Romney is a 'leftist'.
There's no inconsistency at all. Socialism, as it's meant to actually work, has never really been tried cuz it couldn't ever work in any kind of major, complex economy. Especially in a global economy. It doesn't mean there's nothing to learn from it, but actual socialism is basically as dumb and idealistic as libertarianism. I do think we should encourage more co-ops and private stock companies and all, but this cannot be the RULE.
You're again proving my point. You dont care given one fucking shit about the truth. You're also proving that people like you dont actually read articles or anything, you just go by whatever some other reactionary on social media tells you to feel and believe. You're no different from a Trump supporter. If it's inconvenient to your preferred reality, you reject it and get angry at it.
Thanks for proving my point. I'm simply being reasonable. I hate Trump and the right with a burning passion. But because I'm being reasonable in this situation and not immediately buying into an obviously dubious and unsubstantiated narrative that this person was a right winger, you are jumping to the most extreme accusations against me. You're a reactionary moron who cares nothing about the truth.
Y'all are downvoting and burying my comment even though I'm literally 100% correct here. Y'all are no different from Trump supporters. You all completely reject reality when it doesn't fit what you want to believe.
Oh my god, you really want me to do your most basic of homework for you? lol Alright then - workers own and have full stake over their businesses and industry. It's literally as simple as that. It's fucking embarrassing as shit that y'all dont know this, and even moreso that y'all are downvoting me for pointing this out. It's really no wonder Trump won. Most all of y'all are morons.
No they dont, they're dishonestly pushing a narrative. No different to how Trump supporters usually do.
Frankly people like you are disgusting, and no better than Trump supporters who are eager to pin any mass killing on a leftist with no info. Literally nothing in the article suggests the person was a 'radicalized right winger'. That's something you added yourself in a completely dishonest attempt to push a narrative before we know more facts. I hate the right, but I dont want people like you within our movement at all. Lying, propagandist shitbags.
It's always extremely embarrassing to see pro-socialist people who dont understand that Scandinavian countries are actually capitalist countries as well. People like you, as with like 80%+ of supposed 'socialists' in this country, have no idea what 'socialism' actually means, and confuse democratic socialism with social democracy.
So this has gotten quite out of hand. And it's going to backfire for Democrats in the long run cuz of this. Simply being 'named' in the Epstein files isn't proof of any guilt. Epstein was a guy who ingratiated himself within the circles of the rich and famous, and simply associating with him at some point doesn't make you guilty of any wrongdoing, let alone sex trafficking/pedophilia. Also, people like you would 100% change your tune if some popular progressive was named.
Clinton reigned over probably the most independently successful era of modern American history. In no world was he a 'moderate Republican'. I'll never understand this dumbshit accusation of Democrats, cuz if they were just like Republicans as y'all claim, they obviously wouldn't run as a Democrat and run on and push successful Democrat policies. People like you are basically no different to Trump supporters who claim John McCain was a 'liberal'.