96363 pts ยท August 1, 2017
There isn't really a uniform accepted definition of capitalism though, outside of "private people can own means of production" of course.
Could you use a vpn?
Yeahhhhh you guys never did anything to piss off the rest of the world before trump.... /s
Not really, cause then you could shoot them up real high and come down at a steep angle
Hahaha, ok that's Hitchcock prank level bullying, they really never stood a chance.
I think the main reason trump took over the republican party so fast is, that they were all unpopular kids and don't know how to deal with a lifelong bully other than kowtowing to him.
But I agree that that hypothetical would be bad, there is nothing to argue about? If you don't want to argue about the topic anymore because you don't want to admit you were wrong/sobered up/got bored.... just stop replying like a normal internet person.But changing the topic and then complaining that the other person is trying to keep the conversation on track is just silly
I have not given a single order, I reminded you what we started out arguing about and then gave an opinion.
Oh it would be bad but that's not what we are arguing about, one person with no influence on starting the war, war goals or diplomacy and command over a fraction of the armed forces is hardly enough to define the classify the entire war. Or it could be a couple of squad leaders having a laugh, fact is we have basically no information and what we do have is questionable at best. Does this look like a rocksolid source? https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
One source, with financial incentive, claiming 200 people, with no proof or other journalists hearing of this. And even if true unless unless the "military leaders" are of high enough rank, by your metrics, are to be dismissed because it's the actual leadership level that matters. For all we know this could have been one brigadeer general going haywire.
The source the guardian and the congessional investigation are citing is Mikey Weinstein of the MRFF which has a financial incentive for there to be religious problems. He gives no sources nor names or even ranks of the relevant officers that supposedly made claims about this being a religious war. Maybe read the "blog" or at least check the sources of articles before you take it as proven fact.
There has been no named person saying that this a religious war. And even the reporting on the supposed "military leaders" (so we don't even know how high up these people are) that have claimed so is relatively scetchy https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/before-you-share-that-story-about (though to be fair I only came across this today, so I didn't start with this information)So what action that has occurred makes you say this is a religious war?
I hear styrofoam containers are excellent at holding gasoline.
You have completely ignored the question, what action?
Look I like Keanu he is charming, an incredible stunt actor, very attractive, a hard worker, from all accounts an very nice and down to earth person.Buuuuut his acting is ehhhhh..... a bit wooden....
By your logic which action would make it a religious war? It can't be a statement cause at this point they gave about 20 conflicting statements as to why they started this.
Yeah you can, most people are pretty open as to why they are doing stuff. If they say they are doing it for a reason and there is no good reason to doubt them, assume they are telling the truth. If hegseth was in charge I'd immediately agree with you, since he is a Christian Zionist. But I don't see hegseth convincing Trump to make that big of a move.Now trump is famously a liar, but to my knowledge he has never even claimed to believe in christian zionism so we don't have to argue he does.
But the leaders goal isn't religious, by your own logic that makes it not a religious war. If you say that several peoples motivation matters then you need a percentage at which point a motivation becomes war defining. The nazis motivation generally is defined by Hitler's motivation, so are we saying only trumps motivation matters?No action makes a war a religious war, it's the motivation of the participants that is crucial for that distinction.
According to you the soldiers beliefs don't matter /gallery/4QEir5F/comment/2493600983So how high up do they have to be for it to matter, and who is a a fervent christian zionism that has enough clout to influence war decisions? Oh and how many percent of the higher ups does it have to be to make it a religious war?
But we both agreed that trump very likely has not started this war due to religious reasons? Colonialism, oil, distraction, political cloud... sure, but religion is not the cause of this war.
We are arguing if this is a religious war, and in my opinion a minority of soldiers doing it for religious reasons while leadership and the rest of the army isn't, makes it definitely NOT a religious war. Especially since the religious people would be doing it regardless.
Note.: just believing that the jews will be holding Jerusalem when Armageddon comes is not what I mean with christian zionism. It's the belief and philosophy that that's a truth and that one should help it come to pass so that Armageddon can happen. It's literally doomsday accelerationism.
I said believing in an imminent Armageddon AND christian zionism (plus some other stuff, the movement has been around for a while) is mostly unique to evangelicals, not just the Armageddon, that's every boiler plate doomsday cult. Granted I am not that familiar with 7day adventists, from my knowledge they aren't Armageddon accelerists like the christian zionism faction but that might have just been the one adventist I talked to.
Evangelicalism is not a denomination per se but a movement within protestant denominations, so you could have an evangelical baptist or an evangelical adventist. Sorry I kind of expressed myself badly before. So if you got a protestant of any denomination that believes in spreading the word as much as possible, the coming Armageddon and a whole bunch of crazy shit they generally identify as an evangelical.
Yeah but christian zionism, explicitly that Israel must be in the hands of jews for the second coming of christ, is nowadays only a thing with evangelicals. I was raised catholic (and am agnostic) and I hadn't even heard of that until I got into the rabbit hole of weird shit American evangelicals believe.So the only christian denomination that believes in that and actually wants Armageddon to come are evangelicals.
It's an evangelical belief, evangelical make up about 24% of the US. So evangelicals would have to be overly eager to join the military and believe in that particular part of their doctrine, 30% is rather generous.
I very much doubt that more than 30% max of the US armed forces believe in that weird fundamentalist doomsday bullshit. Since the other 70% are also participating and neither of us believe that the instigator has it as a reason, it seems rather minor a factor.The American Military didn't need a religious reson to bomb Yemen, iraq, Vietnam...., this is no different.
If all reason they give or could be held by a participent are at fault for what is happening. The wish for a regime change to a democracy is just as guilty as religion. And I hope we can both agree that the political freedom of the Iranian population is not weighing much on trumps mind.
Do you think that trump and his administration actually believe that? Cause if not that's just some bullshit they throw out there in the hope that some idiots fall for it, not the reason for the war.
The white house has been trying every excuse under the sun for the war, picking just one and claiming that's their real motive is cherry picking. Israel has a far more obvious reason with Iran being a thorn in their goal for complete hegemony in the region. As for Iran they just had their leadership killed and country attacked, their reasons are defensive and confused.
There isn't really a uniform accepted definition of capitalism though, outside of "private people can own means of production" of course.
Could you use a vpn?
Yeahhhhh you guys never did anything to piss off the rest of the world before trump.... /s
Not really, cause then you could shoot them up real high and come down at a steep angle
Hahaha, ok that's Hitchcock prank level bullying, they really never stood a chance.
I think the main reason trump took over the republican party so fast is, that they were all unpopular kids and don't know how to deal with a lifelong bully other than kowtowing to him.
But I agree that that hypothetical would be bad, there is nothing to argue about? If you don't want to argue about the topic anymore because you don't want to admit you were wrong/sobered up/got bored.... just stop replying like a normal internet person.
But changing the topic and then complaining that the other person is trying to keep the conversation on track is just silly
I have not given a single order, I reminded you what we started out arguing about and then gave an opinion.
Oh it would be bad but that's not what we are arguing about, one person with no influence on starting the war, war goals or diplomacy and command over a fraction of the armed forces is hardly enough to define the classify the entire war.
Or it could be a couple of squad leaders having a laugh, fact is we have basically no information and what we do have is questionable at best. Does this look like a rocksolid source? https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/
One source, with financial incentive, claiming 200 people, with no proof or other journalists hearing of this. And even if true unless unless the "military leaders" are of high enough rank, by your metrics, are to be dismissed because it's the actual leadership level that matters.
For all we know this could have been one brigadeer general going haywire.
The source the guardian and the congessional investigation are citing is Mikey Weinstein of the MRFF which has a financial incentive for there to be religious problems. He gives no sources nor names or even ranks of the relevant officers that supposedly made claims about this being a religious war.
Maybe read the "blog" or at least check the sources of articles before you take it as proven fact.
There has been no named person saying that this a religious war. And even the reporting on the supposed "military leaders" (so we don't even know how high up these people are) that have claimed so is relatively scetchy https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/before-you-share-that-story-about (though to be fair I only came across this today, so I didn't start with this information)
So what action that has occurred makes you say this is a religious war?
I hear styrofoam containers are excellent at holding gasoline.
You have completely ignored the question, what action?
Look I like Keanu he is charming, an incredible stunt actor, very attractive, a hard worker, from all accounts an very nice and down to earth person.
Buuuuut his acting is ehhhhh..... a bit wooden....
By your logic which action would make it a religious war? It can't be a statement cause at this point they gave about 20 conflicting statements as to why they started this.
Yeah you can, most people are pretty open as to why they are doing stuff. If they say they are doing it for a reason and there is no good reason to doubt them, assume they are telling the truth. If hegseth was in charge I'd immediately agree with you, since he is a Christian Zionist. But I don't see hegseth convincing Trump to make that big of a move.
Now trump is famously a liar, but to my knowledge he has never even claimed to believe in christian zionism so we don't have to argue he does.
But the leaders goal isn't religious, by your own logic that makes it not a religious war. If you say that several peoples motivation matters then you need a percentage at which point a motivation becomes war defining.
The nazis motivation generally is defined by Hitler's motivation, so are we saying only trumps motivation matters?
No action makes a war a religious war, it's the motivation of the participants that is crucial for that distinction.
According to you the soldiers beliefs don't matter /gallery/4QEir5F/comment/2493600983
So how high up do they have to be for it to matter, and who is a a fervent christian zionism that has enough clout to influence war decisions? Oh and how many percent of the higher ups does it have to be to make it a religious war?
But we both agreed that trump very likely has not started this war due to religious reasons? Colonialism, oil, distraction, political cloud... sure, but religion is not the cause of this war.
We are arguing if this is a religious war, and in my opinion a minority of soldiers doing it for religious reasons while leadership and the rest of the army isn't, makes it definitely NOT a religious war. Especially since the religious people would be doing it regardless.
Note.: just believing that the jews will be holding Jerusalem when Armageddon comes is not what I mean with christian zionism. It's the belief and philosophy that that's a truth and that one should help it come to pass so that Armageddon can happen. It's literally doomsday accelerationism.
I said believing in an imminent Armageddon AND christian zionism (plus some other stuff, the movement has been around for a while) is mostly unique to evangelicals, not just the Armageddon, that's every boiler plate doomsday cult.
Granted I am not that familiar with 7day adventists, from my knowledge they aren't Armageddon accelerists like the christian zionism faction but that might have just been the one adventist I talked to.
Evangelicalism is not a denomination per se but a movement within protestant denominations, so you could have an evangelical baptist or an evangelical adventist. Sorry I kind of expressed myself badly before.
So if you got a protestant of any denomination that believes in spreading the word as much as possible, the coming Armageddon and a whole bunch of crazy shit they generally identify as an evangelical.
Yeah but christian zionism, explicitly that Israel must be in the hands of jews for the second coming of christ, is nowadays only a thing with evangelicals. I was raised catholic (and am agnostic) and I hadn't even heard of that until I got into the rabbit hole of weird shit American evangelicals believe.
So the only christian denomination that believes in that and actually wants Armageddon to come are evangelicals.
It's an evangelical belief, evangelical make up about 24% of the US. So evangelicals would have to be overly eager to join the military and believe in that particular part of their doctrine, 30% is rather generous.
I very much doubt that more than 30% max of the US armed forces believe in that weird fundamentalist doomsday bullshit. Since the other 70% are also participating and neither of us believe that the instigator has it as a reason, it seems rather minor a factor.
The American Military didn't need a religious reson to bomb Yemen, iraq, Vietnam...., this is no different.
If all reason they give or could be held by a participent are at fault for what is happening. The wish for a regime change to a democracy is just as guilty as religion. And I hope we can both agree that the political freedom of the Iranian population is not weighing much on trumps mind.
Do you think that trump and his administration actually believe that? Cause if not that's just some bullshit they throw out there in the hope that some idiots fall for it, not the reason for the war.
The white house has been trying every excuse under the sun for the war, picking just one and claiming that's their real motive is cherry picking. Israel has a far more obvious reason with Iran being a thorn in their goal for complete hegemony in the region.
As for Iran they just had their leadership killed and country attacked, their reasons are defensive and confused.