3786 pts · February 11, 2015
Yep, my comments were, in fact, deleted. So yeah, this site is the worst for trying to have that kind of conversation.
3) It's not possible to see it as misogynistic if you consider transwomen to be women just as much as ciswomen, in the same way that you can't see it as wrong for wealthy people to take from charities if you consider wealthy people to be just as needy as poor people. Unfortunately, a conversation on the internet isn't conducive to changing people's minds, and if I were to continue to talk about it, my comments would start getting deleted anyway. So I have to leave it there.
You're such a good person, wishing a woman would shut up and stay quiet instead of openly supporting causes she believes in. You're not misogynistic at all!
Phantom limb pain is entirely unrelated to periods, and so are butterflies.I fully believe that someone taking hormones, believing themselves to be a woman, can experience psychosomatic symptoms similar to period symptoms. Hell, maybe the hormones themselves truly cause some of those symptoms. However, actual periods are based on and defined by real anatomy. If you're born with a penis and functioning testes, you lack the anatomy to have a period, end of story. Trying to arbitrarily (cont'd)
It doesn't show anything that the paywall hides, sadly. It still doesn't show what JKR even said.
Touché!
It's not okay to tell lies, even on the internet.
fuck kinda name is "Wrennabylle" lol
I hope the charities she pours money into end up providing aid to someone you care about.
I still wouldn't give money to the franchise regardless just because I'm cheap, though I do still think it's important to support the author.
I mean, loans have legitimate use cases. I don't have the money to straight-up buy an entire house, and I'd rather pay extra (i.e. interest) to live in a house for 30 years as opposed to living in my car for 30 years to save up that money. Extending that to 50 years is just preposterous and helps no one, though.
Yeah, as captivating as HP was when it released, I don't think even its most ardent fans would try to defend those issues. It's an adventure story filled with whimsy and wonder, so a consistent and fleshed-out magic system was simply never the focus or the point. Like, people sending stuff via owl when instant teleportation exists makes absolutely no sense at all, but it's charming and cool to send stuff via owl AND to be able to instantly teleport, so the world has both.
Hah, fair. I don't it's too weird to just think "Wait, wasn't she blonde?" and then notice the errors in the skin tone, though.
What an odd choice to post a recolor/edit of the first comic with this. Not that I dislike the red-haired Bowsette design at all, but it's simply not the original. You can see minor errors in the way her skin tone was modified.
Why wouldn't they? Identifying as trans doesn't make someone stop being human. If the law doesn't consider them to be women, then they'd be considered men.
I don't think it's a video. I think that was just animated with AI.
conversation. This is my last reply on the matter.
Furthermore, if a woman just received the potentially devastating (depending on how she feels about it) news that she will never become pregnant due to MRKH or any other such DSD infertility condition, you'd insist that she was never female in the first place? That's not only ridiculous, it's also callous.
Sorry for the delayed response; life has been busy. Anyway, of course chromosomes carry genetic information. I never claimed or implied otherwise. I must say, though, that claiming that those with intersex conditions are a third sex category (and therefore aren't male or female) is preposterous. Many of those with Klinefelter syndrome, which is also considered an intersex condition, are capable of fathering children. You're seriously going to claim that a human who fathers children isn't male?
The logic is quite sound, but the doctrine will never allow you to consider that, so further conversation is pointless.
them a 'third sex' or in any way indicate there are more than two sex classes in humans.
"How can you possibly disagree that chromosomes are involved in the determination of "female" and then in the next breath say "I never said genetics aren't involved?"" Because genetics is more complicated than just which chromosomes you have, hence why you have females with XY chromosomes (Swyer syndrome). They don't produce large gametes, but with treatment and a donated egg, they can still become pregnant and give birth vaginally. As with every other DSD I've ever heard of, this doesn't make-
gene is absurd Ship of Theseus-esque "if you redefine this as that, and consider this other thing as that other thing, then you're claiming things you weren't claiming!" which is just silly. Thirdly, I never said genetics wasn't involved. You specifically referenced chromosomes, and I disagreed because I figured you were going to do a stupid "What about people with XXY?! Gotcha!" schtick, or something similar to that.
"The genes and organ are entirely missing" What's your source for the genes being outright missing? I've been going through several links about the condition, and they all say stuff akin to "Changes in several genes that are involved in development before birth have been identified in people with MRKH syndrome. However, each has been found in only a few affected individuals, and it is unclear whether these changes cause MRKH syndrome." (from medlineplus.gov). Secondly, your point about the SRY
The fact that if it wasn't for specific malformations in the genes involved, they'd produce large gametes. Again, see my legs analogy.
That's what trans ideology dictates, yes.
really applicable to any issues today. I haven't decided on any kind of answer, as there are countless hypothetical factors involved.
By "proper reproductive function", I'm referring to what that person would be able to do if they were the appropriate age, in good health, and didn't have any physical or congenital issues inhibiting their ability to reproduce. In other words, would they produce small gametes, or large gametes? There are countless reasons why any given person might be infertile, but that doesn't prevent them from being male or female. For the second part, again, I haven't really thought about it since it's not-
I do not. Someone with MRKH syndrome still belongs to the sex class that produces large gametes, even if they have mutations to the genes involved that prevents them from producing said gametes. Just like how humans have legs, yet a person who had a congenital issue that made them lack legs would still be human.
Yep, my comments were, in fact, deleted. So yeah, this site is the worst for trying to have that kind of conversation.
3) It's not possible to see it as misogynistic if you consider transwomen to be women just as much as ciswomen, in the same way that you can't see it as wrong for wealthy people to take from charities if you consider wealthy people to be just as needy as poor people. Unfortunately, a conversation on the internet isn't conducive to changing people's minds, and if I were to continue to talk about it, my comments would start getting deleted anyway. So I have to leave it there.
You're such a good person, wishing a woman would shut up and stay quiet instead of openly supporting causes she believes in. You're not misogynistic at all!
Phantom limb pain is entirely unrelated to periods, and so are butterflies.
I fully believe that someone taking hormones, believing themselves to be a woman, can experience psychosomatic symptoms similar to period symptoms. Hell, maybe the hormones themselves truly cause some of those symptoms. However, actual periods are based on and defined by real anatomy. If you're born with a penis and functioning testes, you lack the anatomy to have a period, end of story. Trying to arbitrarily (cont'd)
It doesn't show anything that the paywall hides, sadly. It still doesn't show what JKR even said.
Touché!
It's not okay to tell lies, even on the internet.
fuck kinda name is "Wrennabylle" lol
I hope the charities she pours money into end up providing aid to someone you care about.
I still wouldn't give money to the franchise regardless just because I'm cheap, though I do still think it's important to support the author.
I mean, loans have legitimate use cases. I don't have the money to straight-up buy an entire house, and I'd rather pay extra (i.e. interest) to live in a house for 30 years as opposed to living in my car for 30 years to save up that money. Extending that to 50 years is just preposterous and helps no one, though.
Yeah, as captivating as HP was when it released, I don't think even its most ardent fans would try to defend those issues. It's an adventure story filled with whimsy and wonder, so a consistent and fleshed-out magic system was simply never the focus or the point. Like, people sending stuff via owl when instant teleportation exists makes absolutely no sense at all, but it's charming and cool to send stuff via owl AND to be able to instantly teleport, so the world has both.
Hah, fair. I don't it's too weird to just think "Wait, wasn't she blonde?" and then notice the errors in the skin tone, though.
What an odd choice to post a recolor/edit of the first comic with this. Not that I dislike the red-haired Bowsette design at all, but it's simply not the original. You can see minor errors in the way her skin tone was modified.
Why wouldn't they? Identifying as trans doesn't make someone stop being human. If the law doesn't consider them to be women, then they'd be considered men.
I don't think it's a video. I think that was just animated with AI.
conversation. This is my last reply on the matter.
Furthermore, if a woman just received the potentially devastating (depending on how she feels about it) news that she will never become pregnant due to MRKH or any other such DSD infertility condition, you'd insist that she was never female in the first place? That's not only ridiculous, it's also callous.
Sorry for the delayed response; life has been busy. Anyway, of course chromosomes carry genetic information. I never claimed or implied otherwise. I must say, though, that claiming that those with intersex conditions are a third sex category (and therefore aren't male or female) is preposterous. Many of those with Klinefelter syndrome, which is also considered an intersex condition, are capable of fathering children. You're seriously going to claim that a human who fathers children isn't male?
The logic is quite sound, but the doctrine will never allow you to consider that, so further conversation is pointless.
them a 'third sex' or in any way indicate there are more than two sex classes in humans.
"How can you possibly disagree that chromosomes are involved in the determination of "female" and then in the next breath say "I never said genetics aren't involved?"" Because genetics is more complicated than just which chromosomes you have, hence why you have females with XY chromosomes (Swyer syndrome). They don't produce large gametes, but with treatment and a donated egg, they can still become pregnant and give birth vaginally. As with every other DSD I've ever heard of, this doesn't make-
gene is absurd Ship of Theseus-esque "if you redefine this as that, and consider this other thing as that other thing, then you're claiming things you weren't claiming!" which is just silly. Thirdly, I never said genetics wasn't involved. You specifically referenced chromosomes, and I disagreed because I figured you were going to do a stupid "What about people with XXY?! Gotcha!" schtick, or something similar to that.
"The genes and organ are entirely missing" What's your source for the genes being outright missing? I've been going through several links about the condition, and they all say stuff akin to "Changes in several genes that are involved in development before birth have been identified in people with MRKH syndrome. However, each has been found in only a few affected individuals, and it is unclear whether these changes cause MRKH syndrome." (from medlineplus.gov). Secondly, your point about the SRY
The fact that if it wasn't for specific malformations in the genes involved, they'd produce large gametes. Again, see my legs analogy.
That's what trans ideology dictates, yes.
really applicable to any issues today. I haven't decided on any kind of answer, as there are countless hypothetical factors involved.
By "proper reproductive function", I'm referring to what that person would be able to do if they were the appropriate age, in good health, and didn't have any physical or congenital issues inhibiting their ability to reproduce. In other words, would they produce small gametes, or large gametes? There are countless reasons why any given person might be infertile, but that doesn't prevent them from being male or female. For the second part, again, I haven't really thought about it since it's not-
I do not. Someone with MRKH syndrome still belongs to the sex class that produces large gametes, even if they have mutations to the genes involved that prevents them from producing said gametes. Just like how humans have legs, yet a person who had a congenital issue that made them lack legs would still be human.