32008 pts ยท May 30, 2015
So the exact opposite of geese :p
Oh dear is he going to be a night owl tonight :D.
Awww, that was me this morning too Panko.
I was thinking FF7 Turks myself.
Awww, squeaky babies.
The real problem is that you have this asine rule that you can't investigate or prosecute a sitting president.Here in the UK, or most of Europe AFAIK the court cases and evidence gathering would have continued to rumble on and theres nothing he would have been able to do to stop it.
There's a toucan by the name of chester on youtube if anyone wants more. Slid into my shorts the other day. Seems to be a barrel of laughs.
Love Atlas and his squeaky toy in the background, tickled my funny bone. Well done OP :).
I heard this in an australian accent.
From the sounds of it so does your dog :p.
That too. We probably will start using nukes for hyperscale engineering at some point in the future, but not anytime soon. You need such a big project to make it viable, and no ones come up with such a big project that justifies its own expense.
Now if we're still around in a couple of hundred years, (as a species that is), i expect we will start using them for these kinds of use cases. Eventually things are going to hit a tipping point where it makes sense. This isn't one of those things, but its not that the underlying idea is unworkable. Its just too expensive and full of extra headaches unless your working on super large projects.
The thing about using nukes for geological engineering is more how the time saving let you work on a much bigger scale. But we've never had a use case for somthing that big that would have a return on investment big enough to make it make sense. Even the fallout it does create is somthing you can engineer a solution to. But again you have to be working so large scale that it doesn't make sense in the real world for anything we can conceive of right now.
Wololooooooo!
Haha, there was a second there where i thought the baby dragon was gonna stand up.
Israel was founded by the most aggressive and nasty of the post WW2 Jewish survivors , they've then spent the better part of a century feeding on their own propaganda. There are some normal people in amongst the masses, but the majority have been brought up with propaganda and beliefs that have reinforced those initial tendencies.None of its surprising if you know anything about human psychology, but it sure is depressing.
110%, as much as it cuts out a huge amount of work and manpower it still leaves a ton to be done and all the other stuff is still major work. Building a canal with a run length long enough to usefully bypass the Strait of Hormuz is a huge undertaking. It took 30,000 workers 10 years to build the Panama canal and this would be a much longer thing. The time and workforce investment, even with nukes and prefabrications shortcutting things would be lengthy.
Oh absolutely, but thats why you do a good geologic survey before you start blasting. Nukes in this context just replace the commercial blasting steps, (and some excavator steps), you can do in a few months what would otherwise take years or even decades of conventional work.
Your clearly unfamiliar with radiation in any capacity. The kind of devices used in something like this produce very little fallout, even a hundred of them would produce less radioactivity than Chernobyl by somwhere between 10,000 to 100,000 times. It's not nothing, but its very possibble to handle it safely. I've no idea why you think prefabricated concrete structures would be randomly eroding an collapsing on any meaningful to humans timescale.
To be clear i never said it was a good idea, just that on an engineering level it really isn't that complex for the size of project your talking about. Its still non-trivial in absolute terms, but its well within the range of things we can and have done allready. Denmark is currently building, (they may have completed it, i'm not 100% on the timings), an undersea road on the ocean floor using prefabricated concrete sections. You'd be using similar techniques after the nukes to that.
The scientists were the ones pushing it, its was the economists that ultimately made the idea unworkable. It's just too expensive because nukes themselves are expensive. If you use the right type of nuke and detonate them in the right way the fallout is basically non-existent.Chernobyl released more material than was contained in the cores of every nuclear device ever detonated upto the current day.
The bigger problem is Nukes themselves aren't cheap and have huge security overheads.
The ideal would be a chain of them detonated a few milliseconds apart with the top of the cavity just under the surface so the top layer collapses into the space below. Your still going to need to do some work, but if you make things oversize to begin with and construct the floor and sides out of preformed concrete sections you just need to throw landfill in and compact it then move the prefabs in. I'm not sure prefabs where an option during the original studies.
Someone still has to pay for everything no matter who builds it.
Haha, this is adorable.
1# The problem is that until a couple of generations ago this really was possibble. Everything about our current economic models is predicted on a reality that, (at least in the developed world), does not exist any longer. But it absolutely used to be possibble to see rapid growth for any company that wasn't doing poorly because the population growth rate was so high.The flatlining, or even outright reversal of that is at the root of so many problems because we aren't setup to handle it.
In the US maybe, not everywhere though.
Your welcome :).
#1 "I didn't ask how big the room is, i said i cast fireball"
Awwww, longboi hugs are special, they don't hand those out too freely.
So the exact opposite of geese :p
Oh dear is he going to be a night owl tonight :D.
Awww, that was me this morning too Panko.
I was thinking FF7 Turks myself.
Awww, squeaky babies.
The real problem is that you have this asine rule that you can't investigate or prosecute a sitting president.
Here in the UK, or most of Europe AFAIK the court cases and evidence gathering would have continued to rumble on and theres nothing he would have been able to do to stop it.
There's a toucan by the name of chester on youtube if anyone wants more. Slid into my shorts the other day. Seems to be a barrel of laughs.
Love Atlas and his squeaky toy in the background, tickled my funny bone. Well done OP :).
I heard this in an australian accent.
From the sounds of it so does your dog :p.
That too. We probably will start using nukes for hyperscale engineering at some point in the future, but not anytime soon. You need such a big project to make it viable, and no ones come up with such a big project that justifies its own expense.
Now if we're still around in a couple of hundred years, (as a species that is), i expect we will start using them for these kinds of use cases. Eventually things are going to hit a tipping point where it makes sense. This isn't one of those things, but its not that the underlying idea is unworkable. Its just too expensive and full of extra headaches unless your working on super large projects.
The thing about using nukes for geological engineering is more how the time saving let you work on a much bigger scale. But we've never had a use case for somthing that big that would have a return on investment big enough to make it make sense. Even the fallout it does create is somthing you can engineer a solution to. But again you have to be working so large scale that it doesn't make sense in the real world for anything we can conceive of right now.
Wololooooooo!
Haha, there was a second there where i thought the baby dragon was gonna stand up.
Israel was founded by the most aggressive and nasty of the post WW2 Jewish survivors , they've then spent the better part of a century feeding on their own propaganda. There are some normal people in amongst the masses, but the majority have been brought up with propaganda and beliefs that have reinforced those initial tendencies.
None of its surprising if you know anything about human psychology, but it sure is depressing.
110%, as much as it cuts out a huge amount of work and manpower it still leaves a ton to be done and all the other stuff is still major work. Building a canal with a run length long enough to usefully bypass the Strait of Hormuz is a huge undertaking. It took 30,000 workers 10 years to build the Panama canal and this would be a much longer thing. The time and workforce investment, even with nukes and prefabrications shortcutting things would be lengthy.
Oh absolutely, but thats why you do a good geologic survey before you start blasting. Nukes in this context just replace the commercial blasting steps, (and some excavator steps), you can do in a few months what would otherwise take years or even decades of conventional work.
Your clearly unfamiliar with radiation in any capacity. The kind of devices used in something like this produce very little fallout, even a hundred of them would produce less radioactivity than Chernobyl by somwhere between 10,000 to 100,000 times. It's not nothing, but its very possibble to handle it safely. I've no idea why you think prefabricated concrete structures would be randomly eroding an collapsing on any meaningful to humans timescale.
To be clear i never said it was a good idea, just that on an engineering level it really isn't that complex for the size of project your talking about. Its still non-trivial in absolute terms, but its well within the range of things we can and have done allready. Denmark is currently building, (they may have completed it, i'm not 100% on the timings), an undersea road on the ocean floor using prefabricated concrete sections. You'd be using similar techniques after the nukes to that.
The scientists were the ones pushing it, its was the economists that ultimately made the idea unworkable. It's just too expensive because nukes themselves are expensive. If you use the right type of nuke and detonate them in the right way the fallout is basically non-existent.
Chernobyl released more material than was contained in the cores of every nuclear device ever detonated upto the current day.
The bigger problem is Nukes themselves aren't cheap and have huge security overheads.
The ideal would be a chain of them detonated a few milliseconds apart with the top of the cavity just under the surface so the top layer collapses into the space below. Your still going to need to do some work, but if you make things oversize to begin with and construct the floor and sides out of preformed concrete sections you just need to throw landfill in and compact it then move the prefabs in. I'm not sure prefabs where an option during the original studies.
Someone still has to pay for everything no matter who builds it.
Haha, this is adorable.
1# The problem is that until a couple of generations ago this really was possibble. Everything about our current economic models is predicted on a reality that, (at least in the developed world), does not exist any longer. But it absolutely used to be possibble to see rapid growth for any company that wasn't doing poorly because the population growth rate was so high.
The flatlining, or even outright reversal of that is at the root of so many problems because we aren't setup to handle it.
In the US maybe, not everywhere though.
Your welcome :).
#1 "I didn't ask how big the room is, i said i cast fireball"
Awwww, longboi hugs are special, they don't hand those out too freely.