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JerodH
Yeah gun control doesn't work except for in every other country and the Brafy Bill that's it
Bystandr
Banning something for appearance rather than function .. makes as much sense as racism.
CLOUDdude114
The necessary precautions were taken. These things just happen. I know, that's a shit way to look at it, but... Yeah, that's all I've got...
JamBarn
As if the AR and Sig are soooooo different.
Spocky730
I'll take 'Facts That the Liberal Community Will Completely Disregard In Order TO Continue Idiotic Ravings' for 200, Alex.
waitwhatidontgetitexplainitslowly
Red: We need to enforce the laws we already have. Blue: THAT'S RACIST!
Xen300
The Orlando incident provides everyone with a nice ride on their own personal hobby horse.
ADMAnarchy
C'mon @op your comic is getting straw all over the place.
Duskz
OP is a moron. Only idiots are trying to "ban" guns - the rest of us are trying to make more sensible laws regarding guns.
weenielover
Strawman much?
igottheconch
I'm pretty sure this is a categorical straw man argument
JapaneseStudentTadashii
The person who writes the comic controls the comic.
Dannyxrain
This is funny
nosoupforoldmen
So explain to me why the right has dedicated its time to give more tax breaks to rich people and corporations but wants to cut 1/2
nosoupforoldmen
spending to programs for the poor?
toboldlygowherenomanhasgonebefore
Was about to up- and downvote, but thought better of it: Let the US citizens here on Imgur battle it out; it will change nothing anyway :-(
useless3y3s
I love how the red side is depicted as composed and scholarly.
JapaneseStudentTadashii
Comics are always biased because the comic artists depicts what he wants to see and not what actually happened.
CertifiedTintinologist
Switch the argument to the blue guy saying "Obviously we need to ban Muslims" and watch the fireworks from the right-wing.
masterk999
1. He did not work for the government. In 2007 he worked for a British security company, well before he came to the attention of the FBI
masterk999
2. The Sauer MCX carbine is in the same family of guns as the AR-15 and is advertised as being compatible with AR-15 accessories.
masterk999
3. Automatic Weapons are banned but we still allow high-capacity military style semi-automatics that are only useful for mass killing.
nash23
LoudAngryJerk
except that if you are found to be a potential threat to the safety of others, which he was years prior multiple times, you should have>
LoudAngryJerk
>your guns taken away until you can pass a psych eval
AdmiralButtStuff
Yep. We had checks in place to stop him from getting guns and they all failed. That's a fucking problem.
LoudAngryJerk
thats what I'm saying, it can't just be about preventing you from getting the gun. You should need to be every bit as responsible as a car>
LoudAngryJerk
>owner
PangolinBan
I know automatic weapons are not banned, and I'm not even American.
PompatusOfLove
Automatic weapons aren't banned.
Panzer89
Close enough, you need to go through a fair amount of paperwork and fork over a lot of money.
trentv4
Near enough.
TheFeralDog
They actually are by international law that the U.S. signed
PompatusOfLove
Nope. You can still buy them. Lots of background check and ridiculously expensive, but you can buy them.
TheFeralDog
You can but it's still against international law, not that you'd ever be tried for it, but they could.
Casana
First two I accept, third I haven't seen that report, and strawman fallacy your argument is invalid.
anndi56
Supposedly yea, he did work for govt. even though he had 2 previous FBI investigations on him. Weird person to hire.
AdmiralButtStuff
No position was misrepresented ergo not a straw man, and straw man doesnt necessarily negate the argument.
delpharseven
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the last two weeks have convinced me that gun advocates (for lack of a better term) are the 1/
IUsedToBeTheWalrus
the issue is should be there more or less, and if more, what else, and if less, what should be removed. You can't even set up the issue
IUsedToBeTheWalrus
properly
IUsedToBeTheWalrus
Perhaps is because it's the same shit, different asshole. Especially the claim that it's regulation vs no regulation. There is regulation
delpharseven
My apologies, I used pro-regulation as shorthand for "in favour of more regulation". I assumed that would be clear since it is blindingly 1/
delpharseven
obvious that there is already some regulation. 2/2
delpharseven
most thin-skinned, easily triggered (pardon the pun) group on Imgur. Any comment they perceive as having a pro-regulation angle gets 2/
delpharseven
downvoted to hell, often without any attempt at rebuttal. Ask yourself this: where are all the pro-regulation posts? Why is it that we 3/
delpharseven
only see posts making fun of the pro-regulation side or of people like Gary Kuntzman and Dianne Feinstein? (Granted Kuntzman is pretty 4/
ChaosLierLen637
Poor ideas do not deserve equal representation.
delpharseven
And that's completely not the point of my statement. My point is that for a group that is so sure of their correctness, they really don't 1/
graehall
So many of the comments on the 8 or 9 Kuntzman posts are just rank, vile, and pathetic. The biggest fucking overreaction on imgur this year.
SDGuitar
because gun advocates tend to be gun users and are therefore less likely to be ignorant in the subject matter. And ignorance makes memes
SeaHutch
But it's the gun advocates whi are making the memes...
delpharseven
hyperbolic.) 5/5
Corrodias
Your comment here is a pretty good counterexample. It didn't get downvoted to hell, I can't help but notice.
Schmuck4hire
How can that blue man even sit up straight when he's made of nothing but straw?
graehall
He's propped up by the angry infantile imaginations of annoying twats.
BartimaeusTheFat
I've seen people say all these things.
Schmuck4hire
foundations of a wall you want to break down to prove how strong you are. 2/2
Schmuck4hire
It's still a weak way to base your satire. Like Mr Enter said, writing unintelligent oppositions in your satire is like damaging the 1/
BartimaeusTheFat
Sure, but these are the actual positions held by people.
Schmuck4hire
I suppose. I tend to hold by that satire should focus on the smarter arguments against, is all.
BartimaeusTheFat
I like to mock stupid arguments in the hopes that people stop using them.
theonetheycallmonk
Psychos gonna psycho.
SeaHutch
Not that I disagree, but I've yet to see a mass stabbing...
theonetheycallmonk
... And now you've gone and jinxed it.
Panzer89
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)
SeaHutch
Hmm, guess I can't argue with that. Still less fatal than the shootings here though.
Panzer89
Deadliest school shooting on American soil used mainly explosives and firebombs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
Panzer89
In this case "school shooting" is a bit of a misnomer.
jsktrogdor
Wow, you sure know a lot about guns. MAYBE YOU COULD USE THAT KNOWLEDGE TO HELP SOLVE THE PROBLEM INSTEAD OF JUST BEING A SNARKY ASS.
Skawomplious
We're trying, and if certain "progressives" would stop focusing on the gun and start focusing on the actual problem it would help a lot.
jsktrogdor
You're not trying. You're so caught up worrying about a stupid piece of metal you let millions die to protect it.
ozythemandias
But the problem isn't the gun, just like rope isn't the problem with suicides
RandomnessSlayer
I agree it's not the gun itself. Semi-Automatics cover a huge swath of looks. But I do believe that high-capacity magazines are stupid /1
RandomnessSlayer
from almost any stance. Self-defense should require no more than a bullet (or a few) to subdue an attacker. Hunting and recreational /2
RandomnessSlayer
uses follow the same logic, and people can take the time to reload. Even still, I agree that mental health and personal issues are a main pt
ozythemandias
Tell that to to our police and secret service. They shouldn't need more than 5 rounds
everyoneiskungfufighting
As a gun owner, the whole "AR-15 vs MCX" point is lame. It was a semi-automatic rifle, period. One looks just as scary as the other.
TheFeralDog
Not lame at all if I were to call a Camry an accord ppl would think I'm an idiot, same case here
TraitorousTrump3
One is just as effective as the other.
BilboT34Baggins
I've got a lever action deer rifle that can do far more damage than an ar-15, just saying.
BluBoxx
Yes, but can it do this http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4kFzECXGs (that's a "semi automatic AR-15 (not "s") with an ATF approved Slide stock)
heavybtakingowa
Not in a film Theater.
SirFormidio
A carbine isn't an AR. They're completely different classes of weaponry.
ShamnusMcfee
What? An AR is a rifle. It isn't it's own class of weapon. They are called 'ARs' because they were prototyped by Armalite, 'Armalite Rifle'
teklanis
They're completely the same except for barrel length. Makes a minor difference in ballistics, and a lighter weapon.
everyoneiskungfufighting
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
th3goodj3rk
It's a straw man for conservatives to feel as though they're contributing to the conversation.
everyoneiskungfufighting
Plenty of liberals (e.g. Democrats) are gun owners. Assuming only conservatives are gun owners is just ignorant and illogical.
th3goodj3rk
Oh for fuck's sake, red herring if you like. My point is the argument not which red or blue idiot is making it. Fuck off.
BeerBanana
Well played at contributing to the conversation, friend.
justsignedupforthishit
Thank you. But how can we fix the problem together?
everyoneiskungfufighting
Which problem are you trying to fix? Please be specific.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
it's people who commit murder not guns and yet when you try to ban people because you think they "look scary" that's wrong and insensitive..
BluBoxx
More white men commit mass murder than any other "scary looking" people... Should we ban all white men from the U.S. ?
ParanoidWithGoodCause
if by white you meant blacks who have committed 52.5% of murders from 1980 to 2008, then still no, just as tools also shouldn't be banned.
BluBoxx
During that period the average yearly violent crimes were 4-5 million (committed by whites) and 500-900k (committed by blacks). Killings 1:
BluBoxx
Followed that pattern (over 3/4 were committed by whites). Source on your numbers? Mine are from the FBI/DoJ 2/2
ParanoidWithGoodCause
Funny you should say that because here's the actual numbers from the DoJ http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf
BluBoxx
As just one example, the year with the HIGHEST number of black perpetrated murder (2013) saw ~5,000 black murders,Out of just under 15,000
saintofchaoticgood
I worked for a movie and they wanted to make a shot gun look more scary, packed. The armorer was like, this is one of the scariest I know
saintofchaoticgood
But the directors wanted more shit so we went out on Sunday looking for addons and I bought an AR looking pellet gun for shits and those
saintofchaoticgood
Features on the pellet gun actually ended up fitting the rails of a real gun so we added a "Holographic sight" to the shotgun from a toy
saintofchaoticgood
And they fucking loved it. The movie I think was called gun. Written by no others than tree fiddy.
destinoz
Considering the flood of articles and condemnation that came down on the AR-15 specifically, seems that it's a fact that needs pointing out.
everyoneiskungfufighting
I'd love to see someone come up with a definition that could be used to ban the AR-15 but no other rifle.
BluBoxx
The SS MCX is a marginally updated version of the SS 516. Which was Sigs version of the AR-15 system made using Stoners AR patent....
ozythemandias
A a gun owner, why are you concerned with looks?
zuruzuruzuru
They all look scary when someone points them at you.
DartTarget13
becuase the AR-15 is sexy and I want to put my dick in it but can't - a Connecticut resident.
BluBoxx
As a gun owner, why do you act like the only difference between a military high pressure round chambered (NATO 5.56) rifle with 150+ 1/
BluBoxx
Round drum mags available plus essentially automatic rates of fire with an ATF legal slide stock is only different in its "looks" than a 2/
ozythemandias
What the hell are you talking about??? Misinformation; The Post
BluBoxx
I own an AR 15, to suggest the only difference between my AR and bolt action Remington, or even my Ruger 77 is looks is both wrong and dumb
BluBoxx
A bolt or single action hunting rifle? Slide fire auto for reference http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo4kFzECXGs 3/3
PompatusOfLove
Dont you think holding different looking guns change the way the person feels?
samjam10412
Either the person feels like harming someone or they don't. That has nothing to do with the looks of the gun.
ozythemandias
I genuinely can't tell if this is sarcasm
PompatusOfLove
Not sarcasm.
ozythemandias
Change how someone feels regarding what?
everyoneiskungfufighting
Though I do think some guns are better looking than others.
everyoneiskungfufighting
I'm not. It was a reference to how those with no knowledge classify firearms based on how scary they look.
Cnogs
Well it was not specifically this one killing machine, it was another. That makes it perfectly ok to have sold it to him!
Justindr0107
Rifles were used by your ancestors to put food in their mouths. Boy, imagine if they were never invented, you might not be here to complain!
SchmidtyC
I mean, it's not like they didn't use bows, snares, and other shit.
koopaya
Yes, soldiers should have guns. Who is arguing that point? Also, I'm pretty sure they still used utensils to put food in their mouths.
teklanis
That was a reference to hunters, not soldiers...
willvasco
Of all the shitty pro-gun arguements, this may be the shittiest
Cnogs
Single shot ones, not automatic rifles. Boy, imagine if there was any nuance to your thought process. You might not say stupid things.
ArthurVengeanceX
That's what semi automatic means. One trigger pull equals one shot. Automatic weapons are banned. Dumbass.
Cnogs
How fucking stupid are you to buy into that logic, you ducking moron piece of shit. Why don't you go kill some children, asshole
Cnogs
That's fair. This logic is dumbass logic though. It was a different murder tool, we shouldn't do anything about it on technicality.
PompatusOfLove
Automatic weapons are not banned. Dummy.
mowanza
That's not what single shot means. According to the NRA's institute for legislative action , https://www.nraila.org/about/glossary/ (1/3)
BritishBenzene
Yep. If they wanted effective controls, they'd limit mag size & make it harder to do quick reloads. That would affect all AR-style weapons.
calipur
The California Republic does that already. Ten rounds Max, and a bullet button to replace the magazine release button.
RWebb00000
And didnt stop san berdino
IAmThePermabannedAccountOfMyNameIsMrTorgue
At least they're trying.
RWebb00000
By banning hammers to combat poor building construction. To do any good, you have to prevent the desire to kill. There is always a way...
TripleKitten
A button that looks like a bullet?
IndignusVita
It's a button that can only be pressed with something I ng small, like the tip of the bullet. But they just banned those too
IndignusVita
Effectively banning all ar15s in California
Zanthy
And nerf the aim assist.
ElChalupaNibre
If only Bungie handled our gun control issues ...
TripleKitten
Christ. That would take care of ammunition restrictions, reload speeds, damage, the whole lot of it.
RaggyBulldog
Deffinatly, I don't even have to look were I'm shooting.
everyoneiskungfufighting
Millions of 20 and 30 round mags out there, more being made and sold as fast as they can. Cat's out of the bag on that one.
BritishBenzene
The argument "it's on the market, too late, nothing can be done" has been used for lots of things that were regulated or banned post facto.
animalrv
And yet he'd bought it that week. Barriers keep cars from smashing into each other on highways too.
everyoneiskungfufighting
1/2 Not even that. People drive 12 inches away from someone else at 70 mph and trust the other guy won't crash into them.
everyoneiskungfufighting
2/2 But somehow anyone with a gun or even a bullet is going to commit mass murder.
awesock
Nope. Just saying enough of them will that it's not worth the recreational value of having them around
Woolf01
Imgur seems to be much more right wing as of late
Genini
Between all the trump hate and being upset with Britain leaving the EU I couldn't tell.
ChaosLierLen637
Perhaps the Nolan Chart would be more useful in describing Imgur?
kakkapyllypillu
I'm really left, but the fact that leftists nowdays are compleatly moronic there's not many places to go.
thefatlonelyjew
Terrorism is scary
BlackOpalGalaxy
Mostly about guns, most other topics it seems to lean left.
graehall
49 human beings were massacred, do you have no sympathy? Those poor guns.
graehall
Imagine if the majority of posts after the massacre & pages written were upset about the victims. Instead of pro-gun upset about gun rights.
Woolf01
I spy a liberal
graehall
lazy partisan eye is through which you do spy. That guy, is not I, partisan crap, I don't buy, because I like to try.
Woolf01
All I hear is a liberal. Also why are you so defensive about that?
khazaria
That explains the lack of humor.
MaybeThisTimeIllBeLucky
All that matters is who screams louder. That's the voice you hear
Yeroptok
You know if dialogue across ideologies can occur in a peaceful and respectful way maybe there is hope for our species...
StefanMerk
Strawmen are fun
NakedAndFearless
What are right and left wing anyway?... Asking for my friend.
TheRaiderofRandom
It's against whichever party is reliant upon pathos to get their way at the time.
thatoneguy42
I like personal freedom and government economic control. I want my guns and a 50% tax so I can have free health and college.
DouglasAdams01
Because it makes more sense
juanchits
Just look at all the "Not just black. All lifes matter" kind of people.
Xsiah
That's a common thing that happens to people who are facing war or terror. Left = culture, right = survival. We need them at different times
SiameseCitys
I have a theory: maybe all the college libertarians are out for summer break so they have more time to post and comment.
KunFayyaKun
It's called neoliberalism.
swedishcalypso
Right meme vs left meme
tardis63
Rather libertarian what with small government regulations and big on personal freedoms
guzapalooza
OR, imgur is as contrarian as ever
GreenOnions3
Is logic right wing?
Woolf01
Yes
Cnogs
Threaten to take people's guns and you watch those liberal sentiments fly out the window lol
Woolf01
Buts it's not a gun issue
Cnogs
This seems to be speaking directly about guns which is the root of my joke. Clearly you're speaking more generally. Sorry for inconvenience
SaintMaceToTheFace
I'm glad. I'm tired of ALWAYS being spammed with leftist bullshit after 4 years
pleonidas
I'm gonna get down voted for this but it's because people on the right just complain more. Most of the complaint posts here are about 1/?
phoenixht1
Like that registered Democrat who shot up a gay club in Orlando?
pleonidas
How liberals do all this dumb shit but most of the time the shit they complain about, I never see. They just bitch too much.
partytime4321
Right's complain more because the us is democrat right now. If repub wins, it will be the opposite I think
SirFormidio
It's almost like... Imgur is not a single entity...
combatwombat0
It's almost like... Imgur is not a single entity...
dfaehn
That's exactly what it wants you to think...
plutonium
One of us, one of us, one of us..
Gaarwaronja
We're always here, watching, waiting...
Beepity
Anticipating...
Gaarwaronja
Grumbling...
dirtehscandi
I've noticed that too, just not in the British, acting like the world is burning and such
cofee
That's because being liberal isn't controversial anymore. Now-a-days if you want to be subversive you have to be conservative. Also
RheaButt
Yup, people gotta follow the herd of edge across the plane of razors
Sefalim
This is such a good point.
cofee
I may have replied to the wrong person don't hate me D:
juanchits
Imgur IS right winged.
DefinetlyNotObsessed
I (a conservative) actually see imgur as slightly left leaning. Question, have you been to sites like IFUNNY or 4chan? That is where 1/2
DefinetlyNotObsessed
You will find right wing. Also if you wanted left wing there's always tumblr for ya.
DefinetlyNotObsessed
2/2
juanchits
You're the proof that imgur IS right winged.
DefinetlyNotObsessed
How I'm one conservative, by your logic imgur IS also left wing at the same time just because you are here
ChaosLierLen637
How? Wouldn't Imgur users that identify as left wing agree with his assessment?
kungfufil
Left-Right is sooo XXth century. Top-Down is where it's at.
IWantToMeetNeildeGrasseTyson
If silicon valley taught me anything, it's middle out.
TherearesomewhocallmeTim
So mainstream. I'll stick with charm/strange, thank you very much
ketzu
So are you more of a top or more of a bottom? ;)
Dolus1337
Ayoooo
jontaylor07
I'm more of a bottom kinda guy then, I guess. Although I think advocating for a totally topless society might be going too far.
edwardelricsnipples
It's because the left wing is getting radical too
ChaosLierLen637
Spot on.
Woolf01
Yup
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
I wonder if there's a comic on the other side using this as an example of exactly the same shitty logic
Bwentos
There is always shitty logic on both sides.
delpharseven
Stand back and watch. "We need guns to protect us from the government" is no longer a relevant justification for the 2nd amendment.
heavybtakingowa
Giving evryone a gun is a bad way keeping politicians responsible. And an extreamly costly way.
ChaosLierLen637
So let them pay for their own guns.
FascistSlendermann
And why not?
pancreas
because nobody has the balls to fuckin rise up against the government. Stop pretending that anyone does.
samjam10412
So we should just lie down and take it? .....yeah.... Not in my fucking lifetime
pancreas
when's the last time you or anybody you know used weapons to protect themself from the government? fucking never.
pancreas
stop pretending like that's a legitimate reason for anything.
Foxsayy
(2) so I think it could be argued either way.
FascistSlendermann
History proves the former false
delpharseven
History also proves that resistance can be successful without the use of violence at all.
Foxsayy
The time when muskets and canons were our most advanced artillery is long past. Insurgents would face vastly different challenges today.
delpharseven
Because the state has such a superiority in firepower that civilians with small arms are like a bug getting squished underfoot.
samjam10412
Not to mention. We are all equally human. What gives them the right to have that type of power over a population? Even more so a disarmed
samjam10412
Population? You recognize their power and capability of brute force and you want to take away your fellow humans God given right to defend
samjam10412
If you believe that then why the hell do you think the 2nd amendment should be repealed?! Why make it even easier for them to "squish" us?
dpidcoe
than it is to follow orders to shoot them, which is the decision an armed population forces the government to make. 2/2
delpharseven
I would argue the latter. It is easier to justify illegal action against fellow citizens if they are a demonstrable threat. Imagine if the1/
FascistSlendermann
History has proven this old argument to be false
Ellimem
Give me an example in which an army of 1000 untrained civilians with small arms defeated an A-10C Warthog and an M1A2 Abrams with TUSK.
AeroEngineer
Historic governments didn't have M1A1 MBTs, A-10s, and AH-1Zs. Back then it was musket vs musket (and maybe cannon).
dpidcoe
So? It's their own people who have to pull the triggers. It's a lot easier to follow orders to jail your own non-resisting countrymen 1/2
Foxsayy
(1) Probably because we'd need things like assault drones and WMDs to compete. However, a rebellion would probably use guerrilla warfare,
IJustLikeToArgue
That first part is dangerously close to arguing in favor of allowing more advanced weapons being allowed to be owned by John Q. Public.
Foxsayy
That's the point. I think most people would agree that the average citizen shouldn't have strike drones and WMDs.
ElPoloDiablo
No, a revolution would be mostly peaceful. A few civilians would probably die, but an armed war against the government is unlikely.
Foxsayy
Then why do you need the guns in the first place? That sounds like more of an argument against guns to me