It wasn’t until recently when I started peer reviewing Drawabox homework and realized there really is a ton of folks out there with zero spatial reasoning skills.
I swear the quality of plumbers has seriously gone down hill. finding one that doesnt make an absolute mess of everything is nigh impossible. my parents had a plumber fuck up so bad it caused a leak under the house that soaked the insulation enough to make the floor boards soggy, had to redo the entire flooring of the living room. where are these clowns getting certified?
I would guarantee that it is not. It takes a lot more knowledge and effort to properly waterproof a shower that it does to install that drain. And it's much easier to hide it if you don't know what you're doing.
As someone who drafts blueprints for a living, I will tell you that if you do not spell out for trades exactly what they are meant to do, you can not, under ANY circumstances, expect them to do what you *think* you want.
Hello. Plumbing foreman here. It’s been three weeks and I haven’t had a response to (5) different RFI’s pertaining to code violations as it is drawn. 😂 All jokes aside, I deal with plenty of dumbasses in the field as well as the offices. Incompetence is in too many places.
My point is someone that knows what they're doing would question that design since it's completely asinine. It's like asking an electrician to leave live wires hanging and they say "sure, if that's what the blueprints say".
It's definitely a two wrongs situation. But I suspect they may be many more wrongs required before it's made right. Maybe the downstairs apartment has been robbed and while attempting to steal the TV, a manufacturing defect in the TV sparks an electrical fire which is then resolved by the leaking shower?
Delivered parts to a worksite, just wandering through dodging guys while I was delivering a box of PVC fittings. Looked like they were just about to close the walls up. Stopped to look at a wall that had 2 roof drain pipes tying into a single pipe down low. Looked good, but the angle was uphill for both drainpipes when they met, by a fairly large degree. 5 other guys were working in that room. Pointed it out to foreman, and learned a few new swear words in Ukrainian.
I have zero plumbing experience, but a lot of building experience. And it just feels like it shouldn't be that hard to figure out where the hole needs to be. Is this more complicated than it looks to the layman?
It's because someone has retrofitted the waste fitting for the washing machine, but instead of using an inline one on the horizontal run (which works just fine) they've used a new trap with an appliance horn built in - but which forces the pipe lower. We see that one a lot - along with people fitting a deeper sink with no effort to lower the connection to the soil pipe.
Same depth of water seal - just that they wanted the washing machine waste connection (the lower of the two bosses on the right) which pushed the outlet lower. The original was lined up correctly. We see that one a lot.
We had about a meter of horizontal drain in the bathroom, until a plumber who was installing something else just went ahead and changed it to slope downwards.
We managed to drop the shower 150mm and still make it downhill all the way and hide all the pipes, too. Beats me why it wasn't built that way in the first place - it's not a cheap house.
I replumbed our entire house, inlets and outlets, as a DIY and it's not *hard* to look up pipe slope. No issues with slow drains except the shower that my long haired mother and long haired brother keep friggin clogging up. I have bought every possible 'get the hair out of the drain' contraption made but they have to *use* them so I come home and 'hey the tub is being slow' jfc USE THE STICK. Pull out a wad looks like a damn NYC sewer rat, suddenly it works perfectly. What a surprise.
Now that we own a house, I’ve realized “how hard can it be?” is actually pretty fucking hard. Also getting something done and getting something done well are two very different things
The plumbers who are worth it will literally stake their entire career on it. I can connect hoses to spouts but i will never fuck with plumbing again after i messed with a rusted toilet pipe. they fixed it to an extent but until it get replaced with pex by a plumber i will never feels safe (comes out of tiled wall with bathroom on each side of wall both tiled)
dislurkerdude
Scummy
yesmaybenot
Is that in Australia?
TheRealPhoenix
ESCHER! Get your ass here the client is no happy AGAIN!
psmith00
actually saw a tile job in another clip that showed the tiles installed perfectly flat but appearing to be a well like the drawing.
nothingtolurkhere
Aw, yiss... Foot fungus heaven.
lurkertron5000
Folks, there are people out there saying they are going to vote for trump. This is nothing on the Stupid Scale
meganical
brightorangeshorts
Hey this is how I did my shower
Snooj
Same here. I always like at least an inch of water to wade around in.
irrational1618
A professional is someone who will do the least amount of work for the most amount of money.
Lycanthian
It wasn’t until recently when I started peer reviewing Drawabox homework and realized there really is a ton of folks out there with zero spatial reasoning skills.
TerribleBot
I would add that this tiling is poorly placed, the joints are horrible and overflowing. I did better than that even on my first shower.
Nivvi
You got to be a special kind of stupid to do that, but then looking at the quality of finish and grouting.... yeah
photog
Bhargo
I swear the quality of plumbers has seriously gone down hill. finding one that doesnt make an absolute mess of everything is nigh impossible. my parents had a plumber fuck up so bad it caused a leak under the house that soaked the insulation enough to make the floor boards soggy, had to redo the entire flooring of the living room. where are these clowns getting certified?
bitspacemusic
They didn't even do it to spec. The whole bathroom is inverted the wrong way.
ufoara
supervillin
Coulda been worse.
keys79
pirateninjaunicornattacksquad
No... No... No... there is no success here. Only flooding.
keys79
Well, if flooding was what you were going for…
spitfires2000
It's a shower combined with a foot bath.
molimom
Oogibah
And a toe stubber.
gearsmith
Combined with a fungal incubator!
4etherling
Mmmmm... mushrooms.
gearsmith
What, you thought I was a fun guy? Nope, I said I was a fungi.
PenguinNamedWobbles
That really takes it to another level.
Aksuuuh
I hope they included a little scoop to use after each shower
FartingPeppercorn
Couldn’t this be like a overflow prevention thing, and the actual drain hole is out of frame?
dank69
Poor guy just wanted a tray for his chocolate chip cookie.
PrastaryOrk
ispendtomuchtimehere
that's not right..
ActuallyTonyHawk
That's because it's up, obviously.
Lucallia
What's up?
ActuallyTonyHawk
Not much, what's up with you?
merrilup
Instructions Unclear.
OhIfIMust
sneakypoo
If whoever did that is dumb enough to actually do THAT, I wouldn't trust the rest of it to even be waterproof.
StNickCage
I wouldn't even trust it to be a tub.
Syko73
When you know how but you dont know why
MatrimBloodyCauthon
The floor is going to just collapse
SugarSmack
I would guarantee that it is not. It takes a lot more knowledge and effort to properly waterproof a shower that it does to install that drain. And it's much easier to hide it if you don't know what you're doing.
freakdiablo
*Turns on faucet, water comes UP through the drain*
AuthGaeuvyen
*Flips light switch, microwave turns on*
IOftenDeleteCommentsCauseISuckAtTyping
As someone who drafts blueprints for a living, I will tell you that if you do not spell out for trades exactly what they are meant to do, you can not, under ANY circumstances, expect them to do what you *think* you want.
JohnTheWolf
You're a fucking idiot if you think people "think" at all.
Lolzenbergensteinentenenbaum
Hello. Plumbing foreman here. It’s been three weeks and I haven’t had a response to (5) different RFI’s pertaining to code violations as it is drawn. 😂 All jokes aside, I deal with plenty of dumbasses in the field as well as the offices. Incompetence is in too many places.
sneakypoo
My point is someone that knows what they're doing would question that design since it's completely asinine. It's like asking an electrician to leave live wires hanging and they say "sure, if that's what the blueprints say".
thatwoodguy
Underneath everything is this big plastic tub that slopes down into the drain. It's pretty hard to screw that on unless you're drilling holes in it
MarkOfTheCovenant
Not always, people still make their own shower floors without using pans or the schluter system.
sneakypoo
My point is that someone who builds a bathroom that cannot drain should not be trusted to do the rest of the build properly.
SheepySleepySmuggler
Well at least it drains away rather than leaving you with a stagnant pool...
Weehuahua512
This is one of those “two wrongs make a right” situations
SheepySleepySmuggler
It's definitely a two wrongs situation. But I suspect they may be many more wrongs required before it's made right. Maybe the downstairs apartment has been robbed and while attempting to steal the TV, a manufacturing defect in the TV sparks an electrical fire which is then resolved by the leaking shower?
Weehuahua512
I like the way you think. Seems likely enough.
Kirj4v4
I'm not sure I follow your point. With the design as it is, there would be a stagnant pool up until the water reached the drain's level.
leperoutcastunclean
Unless the rest of it wasn't waterproof.
Subtilico
To your downstairs neighbours?
TransFlavoredDepression
Nah, the carpeted bathroom floor soaks it up! :D
SheepySleepySmuggler
Sounds like their problem and you know what they say about getting involved in other people's problems...
lastmanonearthbutidroppedmyglasses
It conveniently drains to the foundation
skipweasel
Our son calls them the Uphill Plumber - we see quite a lot of their work.
jesuisgur
Yeah, we have a bath that has a 20ft long horizontal drain pipe. In other words it takes one hour to drain. Everything in our house is ass backward.
ufoara
Snooj
That trap is more like a compost pile.
MisterLemons
The extended P-trap
Hammerwell
Oh, fungus wall. How fun.
Vengeraxe
Delivered parts to a worksite, just wandering through dodging guys while I was delivering a box of PVC fittings. Looked like they were just about to close the walls up. Stopped to look at a wall that had 2 roof drain pipes tying into a single pipe down low. Looked good, but the angle was uphill for both drainpipes when they met, by a fairly large degree. 5 other guys were working in that room. Pointed it out to foreman, and learned a few new swear words in Ukrainian.
KingsburyButcher
I count at least 4 attempts, you can see the notch for the fifth but he went "fuck it, this'll do"
wrincewind
my guess is they added that middle t-piece later, and the original hole worked just fine beforehand.
rlutece
I have zero plumbing experience, but a lot of building experience. And it just feels like it shouldn't be that hard to figure out where the hole needs to be. Is this more complicated than it looks to the layman?
skipweasel
It's because someone has retrofitted the waste fitting for the washing machine, but instead of using an inline one on the horizontal run (which works just fine) they've used a new trap with an appliance horn built in - but which forces the pipe lower. We see that one a lot - along with people fitting a deeper sink with no effort to lower the connection to the soil pipe.
rlutece
Thank you, I appreciate the explanation!
ProfessorChaos
I’d be more concerned about the black mold…
dickdrizzle2
yeah, stick your head in there to work on it and come out with lung problems
tschallacka
Noughmad
I mean, that's just an extra long siphon.
yoyo42
That's what I was thinking, it's just a much higher capacity trap than planned. That's better isn't it? No gases are getting past THAT!
skipweasel
Same depth of water seal - just that they wanted the washing machine waste connection (the lower of the two bosses on the right) which pushed the outlet lower. The original was lined up correctly. We see that one a lot.
zombiejedediah
We had about a meter of horizontal drain in the bathroom, until a plumber who was installing something else just went ahead and changed it to slope downwards.
skipweasel
We've seen that as original fitment - 20 year old house, 1.8mtr of 40mm pipe laid flat on the floor behind a box. Customer said it never ran properly.
zombiejedediah
Ours runs now. Before the lack of flow made it clog every two weeks.
I've hired that plumber again afterwards needless to say
skipweasel
We managed to drop the shower 150mm and still make it downhill all the way and hide all the pipes, too. Beats me why it wasn't built that way in the first place - it's not a cheap house.
delecti
I feel like *plumbers*, more than most professions, should really have a better understanding of gravity than to pull a move like that.
MrImmaculate
Often these aren't plumbers, but DIYers and handymen who go "fuck it, how hard could it be?"
IHaveGreatKittenRecipes
I replumbed our entire house, inlets and outlets, as a DIY and it's not *hard* to look up pipe slope. No issues with slow drains except the shower that my long haired mother and long haired brother keep friggin clogging up. I have bought every possible 'get the hair out of the drain' contraption made but they have to *use* them so I come home and 'hey the tub is being slow' jfc USE THE STICK. Pull out a wad looks like a damn NYC sewer rat, suddenly it works perfectly. What a surprise.
albaboss
Now that we own a house, I’ve realized “how hard can it be?” is actually pretty fucking hard. Also getting something done and getting something done well are two very different things
MoopsyLD
The plumbers who are worth it will literally stake their entire career on it. I can connect hoses to spouts but i will never fuck with plumbing again after i messed with a rusted toilet pipe. they fixed it to an extent but until it get replaced with pex by a plumber i will never feels safe (comes out of tiled wall with bathroom on each side of wall both tiled)
warriorofdiscord
That's how dad did it, that's how America does it... and it's worked out pretty well so far!
Dociousaliexpilisticfragicalirepus
?1
Best I could find. Apologies for the ovaries.
warriorofdiscord
I appreciate the attempt, even if the execution leaves a little to be desired