J0SarkanaksIrSula
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Maybe americas not so bad
ja Dievs ir īsts, tā ir patiesība, ka viņš mīl. Es to zinu, jo, neskatoties uz visām pasaules ciešanām, viņš svētīja pasauli kopā ar jums. un tu esi mīlēts, un tu esi kaut ko vērts, un es tevi mīlu!
nachosyndicate
It always pays to swap.
NascarEd
This is the way
badgesweedontneednostinkingbadges
Most companies try for the "home team" discount when doling out raises. They're betting on inertia, that it's inconvenient / tiring / frustrating looking for a new job, so they don't have to make competitive offers to keep employees.
Zezustammany231
LucilleWhoKnowsNot
Translated by Google:
if God is real, it is true that he loves. I know this because despite all the suffering in the world, he blessed the world with you. and you are loved and you are worth something and I love you!
Bombaso
Salary increases for"cost of living". Almost always....getting a new job brings in the higher pay you're looking for. Congrats and good luck!
DarthPiette
I felt insulted by a 98 cent raise after a year and a half. Doing warehouse/receiving work, went from 20.25 to 21.23/hr. I started looking as soon as I left my review. A month or so later, landed an interview and got an offer a day later. 27.14/hr for the same fucking work. After 6 months, I'm up to 30/hr.
If my raise was better, I never would have thought of leaving. I'm glad this happened.
invaliduserformat
I go to your Baltics quite often. Comparatively to the still post-soviet world you come from, I'm sure America is great. Don't get me wrong, I come from the other side of this, a communist Balkan country, it is roughly the same but people aren't so fucking rude that they roll eyes when one says Labas at the store. Nevertheless, I live in UK. Because in Lithuania, you can't even admire a dog on the street without the owner looking at you as if you're gonna stab him. Source: I went too many times.
halfabubbleoff
This and don’t forget the bull poop process of “annual reviews” to “justify” your “merit increase”.
latviansarebetter
Apsveicu! Lai labi izdodas!
SpaceForGold
I got an 8% increase. Delighted. Then inflation spiked the same year. Well shit.
khopesh87
Hell yeah. 2% doesn't even beat inflation. Unfortunately, this is the best way to advance in the modern job market. But, congrats!
twonky
Yeah, so it's not really an increase, it's not even keeping the status quo, but a decrease...
IHaveUnpopularOpinions
I love you too, man
JohnSmithterms
Swapping jobs to raise income also raises inflation. Because you have more money to spend. The solution is to vote in competent politicians who understand economics and have the empathy to invest in people not companies.
XXXSpork
Same thing happened to me a couple of years ago when I left my last job. I got a 9% market adjustment, but was able to switch companies with the same role and ended up with an additional 45% increase. I was so grossly underpaid...
KiddR78
Job hoping is the only way to climb the ladder, so-to-speak.
Mangomania33
I'm so old I remember when that was a bad move. Loyalty actually meant something.
enderite
Want to leave so bad. Wife hasn’t worked in several years. So I’m kinda trapped. I go in every morning hoping to be laid off. At least I’ll be out and it wouldn’t be my fault.
VodkaReindeer
Why can Firefox translate Latvian but not Japanese
PaddyPatrick
My first non restaurant job when I was a late teenager in the 80s gave me a sixth month raise of 0.05 an hour. Oh, my, 2.85 became 2.90 an hour. It made me feel horrible, that tiny tiny raise.
WebDragonG3
I've quit more restaurant jobs over a 10cent raise after a year of dealing with their intense pressure and insane schedules ... ye gods.
apollo661
About 12 years ago my boss gave me a 50 cent raise and then was upset that I wasn't grateful lol
cousteau
Translation: "if God is real, it is true that he loves. I know this because despite all the suffering in the world, he blessed the world with you. and you are loved and you are worth something and I love you!"
And here's a screenshot of that quote about God along with this post's points, for no particular reason.
J0SarkanaksIrSula
Khatapillah
What's that language you speak there, chum?
cousteau
Google Translate says it's Latvian. It actually did a good job at translating that, for once.
J0SarkanaksIrSula
The languaage of my ancestors
lujotu
Looks like Latvian
J0SarkanaksIrSula
Yes
SnakesInBowties
Pats labākais jums. Es priecājos, ka jūs redzat labu savā dzīvē. Esmu priecīgs, ka uzgāju jūsu ierakstu. Tā bija svētība. Esi svētīts un turpini būt par svētību, draugs!
xmaneds
Turkish? Estonian ? ?
SnakesInBowties
Latvian.
J0SarkanaksIrSula
Heavedistant
jzastrow
I'm wondering when more companies will come around to the efficiency of retention over recruitment but it doesn't seem to be a priority
GreenFox
If it doesn't compete with inflation, it's a demotion.
Turkleturts
No job can compete with inflation, and in the corporate world the only way that is happening is through promotion. Not sure about others, but I'd be extremely wary of anyone who is promoted every year.
DukeDarkwood
That inexorably leads to having a non-living wage. If wages cannot keep up with the cost of living, that speaks to a bigger problem with the whole system.
"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. [...] and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living." -F. D. Roosevelt
Woestkonijn
Are you Latvian?
thean
No company cares about you. No company is a “family”. No company will ever give you any loyalty.
ALWAYS look after yourself. Well done OP!
cousteau
Some people fall for the "we're like a family" bullshit companies sell you so that you feel guilty about finding a new job, but they will get rid of you on the smallest obstacle.
cousteau
("Some people" = me. I totally fell for it.)
alwaysgoodstuffhere
Depends on the company, and size. We had a mandatory corp meeting, where we all have to fly to head office and date fell on my kids birthday. I told my boss I can't make it due to being important that I'm at my kids birthday. They moved the entire meeting a week out so it would not conflict. Sometime you find a place with humans running it.
AngryRaven
I tend to view things like this as less the company caring about you and more your boss having enough clout for their care about you to force the machine to bend. Cherish good bosses, but don't let it trick you into thinking the machine has a heart.
alwaysgoodstuffhere
I get some places are shit. I could give tons of examples, as there are companies run by humans.
My wife has a rare disease, they gave me extended paid vacation time to fly to another country for research. Few years later they did company wide fundraising via employees and corporate matching to help fund research on the disease. Not every place want to burn down the world in search of the next dollar, even though that behaviour is incentivized by shareholder profits.
DukeDarkwood
Sometimes. But, in corporate America, that is becoming more and more the exception, than the rule. Treasure the ones you do find.
alwaysgoodstuffhere
This. I had worked at a place previously where the company ground every employee into the ground and expected 60-70 hours a week, and drop of hat availability. While overtime pay was amazing it was not worth it in my eyes, so I found a better place.
mksu
I wish it wasn't true. I'd really prefer to just stay with one company, but it costs too much to do that because they don't value their employees or understand their worth.
Cats2cats
It’s also cheaper to keep the young ones. Cost of health insurance to the companies goes up with increase in existing conditions.
Ryebread91
Yet they're the first ones to complain about loyalty when someone wants to leave.
landbaronness42
Had a manager lecture me about loyalty once and the look on my face was “are you that stupid or do you think I’m that stupid?”
Ryebread91
Had a fellow associate leave once for higher pay and their market manager said to not take him back to that department cause he hasn't shown any loyalty. Like there's any other reason we work beside either pay or benefits.
TsubakiTragic
we need to throw out these ideas of brand/company loyalty... it is never reciprocated.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
With better labour laws, it would be forced to be. For example I have 25+ years with my company. I have 5 weeks of vacation (plus 10 holidays), and if they were to lay me off they'd have to give me at least two years' severance. So even if I could make a bit more elsewhere, it's not worth starting over. I'd rather have the vacation days and the security.
swhertzberg
Yeah, my dad retired a few years back after 40 years at his job - he had something like 6 weeks annual vacation, up to 20% bonus annually, and every 4 years he got a 4 week sabbatical. After he retired his PTO payout was like 3 years salary. I would love a nice stable job like that where I can lock in and do good work.
kitnnicole9
Most companies don't let you accrue that much pto.
swhertzberg
It helps when you start in Silicon Valley in 1982
BearfuckerdoesNOTrequireassistance
In the USA most companies are given a larger hiring budget than a retention budget. It's a little insane at times
PhailRaptor
Hiring budget? What hiring budget?
diggetydug
As a nurse, "why is there a nursing shortage?". This.
ostranaut
This is how it works in video game industry mostly. Except right now its in a pretty bad shape so people are not leaving companies as much but it used to be the norm for people to change studio every few years to get salary bump
sadurdaynight
They don't want to pay more for what they already have. Only for what they want. Plus, they get off on feeling like they're "stealing the competition".
InsanitySpark
Definitely not an American thing only. It happens in Bulgaria as well and it's quite often. We are in eastern Europe.
cousteau
It's so that they can spend more time and resources training a new employee instead of just keeping the ones they have.
Poipoine
Thats just what companies do, electricity, Phone,internet, big bonuses at the beginning of contacts and after a while zero effort to keep the clients
Varimahtras
Its the same in Germany. Got 10% raise on average for the last 10 years by switch Jobs multiple Times.
Canigetbannedagain2
I've learned that's it's fine to job hop. Whatever company you work for probably doesn't care about you, if you find a better offer go for it.
Ejegod
I't funny, I've heard a LOT of managers whine about people job-hopping and not a single one of them have considered doing something to KEEP employees happy. They really ought to switch it around and give managers larger retention budgets, and smaller hiring budgets. Or just increse retention in itself.
ILuvMyUserName
Same with sales, more discount for new customers than loyal ones. If you're ringing, press the sales option, they'll answer the phone 8 times faster...
OldNewAccount
The only exception I have found is smaller companies. When they are sub 100 everyone contributes more and has a bus factor of 1.
brittlespork
I love that “bus factor” is a thing 😂
KittenVonCatsworth
When I worked for PeaceHealth, one of the team leads left the company, came back a year later, left again, and returned yet again. Each time she came back to the same level of work at a significantly higher rate of pay. Shit is absurd.
Thisisabigmistake
Yeah same in Canada
Asadsadsadclown
Pretty sure 90% of that hiring budget goes to hiring managers that list openings, interview for positions, then reject every applicant and close the listing, only to put it back up 2 weeks later.
MarriNikari
As a hiring manager, hahaha nope they don't pay us either. They just tell us to still deliver our projects on time and what do you mean we have to hire and onboard and that slows us down, can't you just move some people around?
somnif
Yeah, my department averages ~3% a year raises. But a listing for a new hire right now is almost 30% higher than what we make
kilgoth1
Thats fucking criminal.
KrondorMocker
apply
somnif
Unfortunately it's at a different corporate site (we're a colab group) so I'd have to move, and that's not an option at the moment.
sambaah05
Thats not just an American thing. Thats just a thing. Reason being, if you want to bring someone over from another company, you have to beat what they were making before to make it worth it to switch... it's simple math.
Ted461
No it's horrible tactic, tbh. Hiring new people costs 3 times more than keeping the people you got, so you have more than enough financial incentives to keep great people and build your company's reputation as a desirable employer.
What they do now is making all their good employees leave, and building a rep as bad employer. With former employees now rating companies online and spreading the word, that tactic can prove catastrophic.
sambaah05
It doesn't work that way. Because let's say based on your logic, companies raise pay 50%, to increase retention. When someone new applies, they have to pay that person, 50% more current rates, plus an additional incentive, let's call it 10%, to lure them over. No matter what companies will do. People will leave. And they'll have to pay new people more than existing, because the new people were already in theory making roughly what this company is paying their existing.
TrueNisas
If they put more budget into retention they might not need to attract new employees in the first place. Not to mention the cost of losing institutional knowledge and training replacements. Or the cost of recruiting and interviewing. And if you want to really attract me to a job, a history of treating employees well would be top of my list. I gave up on my dream career because they treat their employees like shit.
RobertLeroyParker
Food service by any chance?
sambaah05
If you get another offer, ask your current place to match it. I did. I'm still there 6 years and 2 promotions later. There's a balance between retention and recruitment. Let's say they give someone an increase for retention. If that person interviews at another place, that other place, will still pay them more, to try to bring them over. It's a weird cycle. But key thing is. Make sure you are requesting what you are worth, and if you don't get it, go somewhere else that will pay you that.
IHaveAGuyForEverything
Get rid of the old people who start to learn how they want to be treated and replace with the younger people they can control. As a 45yo sys admin, I’m VERY worried there will be a time I can find work in my field due to saturation and age.
morrighan42
Jokes on them, the young people are demanding better working conditions right out of the gate
TheGhostMinx
32 maintenance tech here, went back to school. I hate it. It's all online learning and it's so needlessly difficult. This world sucks.
Ejegod
Make sure to specialize in something very specific. Sure it's good to be a jack of all trades, but you'll end up fighting over the same jobs as everyone else. If you get a specific collection of skills, they will have to call YOU to poach you. Or you'll be up against like ... 2 or 3 other candidates. And you'll be able to get paid like ... DOUBLE whatever you make now. SPECIALIZE!!!
Elkarlo77
As a 48yo German Sys Admin i can understand it, i was top of the game when i swapped Jobs when i was 44yo. Had the opportunity to "realy earn money" with big job and bonuses or go into a public job at schools with the same base money but literally unfireable after 2 years. I am now a school sys admin.
echoawoo
And the extra time off schools give is nice, too
Elkarlo77
No extra time off. I got the normal 30 days off and have to take it in the holidays. I need to do network and repairs in the offtime of schools. So this is the time i do the serious work. I am in the Holidays right now: Three Network Racks to rework and we installed 45 new Digital Boards in the Classrooms.
echoawoo
What ?! We get 23 days PTO, 7 days sick leave, and every major holiday o.o
A US job being better than a German job .
ChuckleVoodooist
It's already here. I'm a 35 sys admin my current salary is 42k, and I've got 12 years of experience, and two degrees. That's the best I've found, and I'm starting to think thats all I'll ever be getting... Kind wish I was born earlier to hit the hay day of IT instead of the tail end.
Mckrau
A friend of mine is in the EU, but had similar worries when he was your age. He starting looking for consulting jobs and built his own company over 3-4 years. Now he is 50 and basically retired, outside of supervising from time to time the guys who are doing the work. He's making less money overall, but has a lot more time for leisure/family.
Mckrau
He started while still working at his old job and did the switch once he was comfortable with his client portfolio... Just something to keep in mind. Age is a concern for companies when hiring workers, but is an asset if used from the buttress of your own company.
BoobJiggle
As a 39-year-old, had relevant certifications, even had 4 years army behind me, couldn't crack that specific field because of saturation, and now age. When you and I were coming up the computer whiz kids were highly sought after, now they're a dime a dozen. Only difference is we still do it because we love it, those folk just see it as a career, a 9:00 to 5:00, just enough effort put in to make sure they get paid.
BoobJiggle
Cisco had me convinced that I would still have to deal with some ancient token ring installation somewhere. So they wasted a bunch of time ensuring that I knew it forwards, backwards, inside and out. Never, not even a once, did I encounter such a network. Not even working with some of the archaic shit the army had.
If technology suddenly rewinds 35 years, we will be in high demand. But that's not likely to happen lol
sadurdaynight
Lot of execs think AI prompters will replace everyone. I think there's going to be a gen of tech workers talked into overrelying on ai for everything, and realize it's not the silver bullet they think it is. So, old school folks that know how systems work and architect will keep on being valuable. AI can be good to help expedite some things, but it doesn't replace years or experience when the shtf at work.
DahPrincess
I recently started job hunting again and it's surprising to me how many "AI content writer" jobs were out there and paying better than most other remote jobs (or in office for that matter). No clue on the sustainability of such a market but it gives me the eeks.
NerdNerdburger
Another post on the FP suggests those gigs aren't good for more than about 2 years
IHaveAGuyForEverything
Can’t
kennebel
The seasoned IT folks around me have had to look full time for 15+ months to get anything. I’ve looked casually since January, 25% rejection, 75% ghosted. Not even an interview with almost 30 years IT experience.
IHaveAGuyForEverything
Ugh. Don’t confirm my fears. But… it’s reality. I hate it here.
brickgeek
Is already here. At 43 I expect to get laid off in the next year or two. Has nothing to do with skill or usefulness. They’ve been going down the spreadsheet by salary. Let go a chunk of people every Q1 to make the filing numbers how they want. The people let go last February are mostly still looking. I may try to pivot to something else. Good thing I don’t have kids and can live cheap.
Olestra
I'm 48, and a database admin. The defense is to be looking for a good place way before they lay off.
It takes about 6 months for me to find a good position.
I start looking for it about 1 year into a new job.
IHaveAGuyForEverything
I’m sorry. It hurts knowing it’s coming and not being able to do much.
I do have a kid and she has many, many problems. When I lose insurance, it will get worse. She will lose therapy and her (keeping her sane) meds if I can’t find something fast. As I said… I hate it here.
gtfout
Fuck me. I saw you and the guy you were responding to mention your ages and thought "must be tough for them being in their 40s" only to immediately remember that I'm 41 and have no idea where the time went
KrondorMocker
40 is the new 60??
hipifreq
So glad I left IT when the dotcom bubble burst. Went to school in environmental science and am much happier. Of course, I was about 30 then and changing now might be tough
astrangehop
What do you do now?