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labyrinthconvention
that's a Miss diss
Fumoufu
She had so much sex appeal it terrified me and I didn't want to watch the show.
C0mtraya
tehPhreakmang
I always had a bit of a crush on her, she was. A bad ass..
sspeckerss
God I love Voyager.
SuperFineButtHairs
Goddamn I could not stand Neelix.
Deadbabyseal2300
I *just* watched this 40min ago. Cosmic shit.
prodigal1
I always had a little trouble getting past "Mrs. Columbo" with her. At least until "Orange is the New Black".
Grandmastersexy
Her performances always seemed forced and overdone. It's like they wanted her to have this edginess to make up for her being a woman.
ProphetTenebrae
Her character had tremendous Mary Sue qualities - was there ANYTHING she was bad at?
Rodltwo
resiler
Warp sass engaged
Smoothops
I always upvote Janeway
Lan098
Her sass and facial expressions are half the reason I like the show.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
I think it would have been awesome if her and Picard had to work together.
Quaxx
Iloveallthenoods
Set phasers to Bitch
rmeg
It took me years to recognise her on Orange Is The New Black.
OmikronWeapon
Kate Mulgrew was the whole REASON I started watching Orange Is The New Black.
Piornet
This show sucked so much. Janeway was a terrible captain.
ProphetTenebrae
Remember that time Picard et al got sent beyond known fucking space and got home in time for tea?
FurToaster
yes, but you're opinion will be ignored bcauz of: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f4/36/ee/f436ee9e911d1872fb5c0bb35ce93d50.jpg
FurToaster
lol youre
beenbannedb4
but that was the only redeeming quality of the show...
Heeeeyyouguuuuys
Janeway was a war criminal.
ProphetTenebrae
I mean, she got her crew home by violating the temporal prime directive.
Heeeeyyouguuuuys
Remember that time she helped the borg commit genocide against the people beating the borg "just to get her people home"?
ProphetTenebrae
In fairness (Voyager needs all it can get), they didn't know the Borg started that fight and 8472 were big on the galaxy purging.
Heeeeyyouguuuuys
Still sounds like genocide to me...
ProphetTenebrae
You'll probably want to look up the definition of genocide then.
ProphetTenebrae
And Janeway screwed the Borg over which was incredibly stupid as she had no way to know Kes would clear them of Borg territory next episode.
PlZZATHEHUTT
everypostepic
1 episode they spy on members of a temporary alliance they make when stuck inside an anomaly. They never say it's wrong, and continue it.
LordVulpix
To be fair. The Kazon are basically space raiders. 1 Borg Cube is enough to take out a fleet of ships. So... Safe or dead.
PlZZATHEHUTT
Space raiders or mindless robots bent on domination of the galaxy. So... possibly betrayed or 100% definitely betrayed?
LordVulpix
With the kazon they didn't rush all that much. With the Borg they put the petal to the metal as best they could.
iSoulend
I don't watch the show but aren't the borg supposed to be more advanced than the starfleet ?
PlZZATHEHUTT
Ye but voyager is full of terrible writing. The borg 'get bored' (despite being mindless automatons) and open up a hole in space letting...
PlZZATHEHUTT
species 8472 come into the galaxy. They're more powerful than borg but the Doctor comes up with weapons that can hurt them.
iSoulend
The Doctor ? like doctor who ? Is that a crossover ?
Unquote
please wash your mouth
PlZZATHEHUTT
Boobs4Wade
HansVerhaegen
She also was a pretty cool Witch of the Wilds.
Leverbee
And Redclaw in one of the Batman cartoons.
SteerpikeSteerpike
The PERFECT reaction. Well done.
vigothecruel
She was great in Voyager and she is great in OITNB.
Boobs4Wade
It didn't dawn on me it was her until season 3! Apparently she was the voice of Red Claw in the Batman Animated series as well!
whiskeyandcigarettes
Wait... what?
Boobs4Wade
Also Flemeth in all 3 Dragon Age games. Voice work in Gargoyles, Mighty Max, Pirates of Dark Water, and more. I've heard her voice before
Boobs4Wade
but I never knew who she was until OITNB.
xrufus7x
There were a lot of Star Trek people in Gargoyles.
TooMuchWorkNotNuffFun
Holy crap I never knew that was her!! Damn she's a good actress! Or I'm just dense.... let's go with good actress.
BYERE
manslut
I imagined this exact gif.
FrozenFoodGuy
First time i saw her on OITNB i got really confused as to way Captain Janeway was doing there... and yes, she's a great actress!
MothMonsterMan
She was stripped of her rank after they discovered the bodies she left in the delta quadrant
FrozenFoodGuy
Yeah and got promoted to Admiral no less!
BlueLanternBraxx
There are 3 ways to do something. The right way, the wrong way and the Janeway. Which is just the wrong way but stretched over 7 seasons.
yourmotherandIthinkyoushouldmoveout
relpmeraggy
I will say this. I do like voyager better than ds9.
Spacelesschief
Maybe because voyager was better than ds9? Just a thought.
just4thelolz
There are literally dozens of us.
relpmeraggy
DOZENS!
cyno01
modalnode
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But yours is wrong.
stc02bbb
I agree OP. I've rewatched both several times and Voyager is my favorite.
TekDragon
I can't get past Season 1 of Voyager. One time travel episode after another.
stc02bbb
I really enjoyed 7 of 9s growth and the whole borg aspect.
ProphetTenebrae
She doesn't REALLY grow though. Not in the way the Doctor did.
SigynRose
Same, but DS9 was pretty cool. It's a shame Enterprise wasn't done better, it's a really cool concept
cyno01
Enterprise was pretty good, just nobody wanted to give it a chance after Voyager. The first two seasons werent great, but they were better+
ProphetTenebrae
Star Trek shows from TNG onward were really spoiled by their bedding in period. How many other shows can have absolute shit for two seasons
cyno01
than most of the first two seasons of TNG and DS9, and S3 and S4 of Ent were great.
DaedaIus
Season 3 killed Enterprise. Season 4 was great, and their plans for season 5 were better.
ProphetTenebrae
9/11 - THE SEASON! I don't think it killed the show, it was doomed from the get go. If only Manny Cotto got in sooner.
TheVampireDante
That when they brought in the space nazis? (again)
DaedaIus
No, those were regular nazis. They had a whole plan for the Earth-Romulan war. And the mirror episodes where amazing
Riptide00
Starfleet. We're not a military organization, but we keep the rigid command structure and give leaders absolute power over subordinates.
aleister94
It's not that rigid it's more like an office job actually
Mithi
Muddled line of command was one (of many) factors for the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ãœberlingen_mid-air_collision
MidlandRedux
Uh . . . that's how civilian ships work, as well. You can't steer a 100,000 ton ship through a North Atlantic gale by committee.
xoverthirtyx
I thought they were, just that Enterprise's mission was scientific.
JStengah
It performs the role of the military for the Federation but it is not solely a military organization. https://i.stack.imgur.com/rez61.png
rosebudthesled
You can't have 300 lieutenants. So were there a lot of 60 year old ensigns?
unknownSubscriber
There were enlisted ranks. Generally called crewmen throughout the show, but a couple chiefs showed up
ISayFuckAllTheTime
They're referred to often as the defense arm of the federation, so...
Leithreas
Think of them like the NOAA Corps. Commissioned officers working for a civilian government agency.
Molvanian
That government agency being the Navy or Airforce.
Leithreas
No, NOAA Corps works under NOAA, which is part of the Department of Commerce. Not under Navy or Airforce at all.
Molvanian
I was comparing Starfleet to the Navy or Airforce.
Leithreas
Oh! OK, my bad.
Gunner192
Wrong. The United Federation of Planets isn't a military organization. But Star Fleet is the military branch of the federation
TheExpensiveBikeRide
We follow orders or people die. It's that simple.
merxman
You can't handle the truth!
Molvanian
We follow orders AND people die more like it.
creaothceann
Just less than otherwise.
manslut
RIP Prime Kim...
barnwolf
I got that reference, after several minutes of google and wikipedia.
manslut
Literally every time I see his character or Naomi I remember how they literally both died in this timeline.
ProphetTenebrae
And we fly around in ships with guns and despite being committed to peace have fought more wars than anyone else.
HamburgerMidnight
'Merica
dietderpsy
The Federation has never started a war.
Riptide00
Doesn't matter who started the war. Whatever force you have fighting your wars, offensive or defensive, is pretty much your military.
CoeusDarksoul
But DAMN have they ended a bunch...
PlZZATHEHUTT
How many times did they technobabble their guns into fixing the problem of the week tho?
Ryanator50
it usually isn't just "Load the guns with a different radiation" sometimes its the tractor beam, or even their shields.
PlZZATHEHUTT
♪♪ Bounce a graviton particle beam off the main deflector dish. That's the way we do things, lad, we're making shit up as we wish. ♪♪
Tarnfire
The klingons and the romulans they pose no threat to us. Cause if we find we're in a bind... We just make some shit up.
ProphetTenebrae
MULTIMODAL REFLECTION SORTING!
Peregrine2976
It's not... really their fault, you know. It takes two to make peace, only one to make war. The point is they always TRY for diplomacy.
RaynWisp
I "try" to get it all in the bowl when I shit. But if I dont, then the effort means very little
NOTAlexJones
Well... As long as you can get to the bathroom...
RaynWisp
No promises
Riptide00
Yes, but it makes no sense that Starfleet fights ALL of the United Federation of Planet's wars but considers itself to be non-military.
muhvitus
Its their second job.
Billywonderful
It is a defensive force. They are basically research ships that are prepared to defend themselves against
ProphetTenebrae
To be fair, it's really all down to Roddenbury's not very well thought out idea of what Starfleet was.
Billywonderful
The sharks they are trying to study.
AdventuringSorcerer
Seems like you would need that on a starship. A lot can go wrong and kill everyone.
Ryanator50
a lot goes wrong every week
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Too hot. Too cold. Too little air. Too much air. Fire. Radiation. Poisonous gas. G-force. Electricity.
Riptide00
Having a single decision maker is not the same as "I've dismissed you. Speak one more word and I can have you court martialed."
NexiKuro
That's generally what it ends up being though, although I suppose you give the crew the ability to impeach captains when practical. 1/2
NexiKuro
2/2 Which in any of the star trek series was never because there was always some shit going down.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
There's a reason armies started the whole clean uniform/marching thing. In battle discipline save lives.
Riptide00
1) Authoritarian leadership stifles innovation & creativity. And Voyager was supposed to be a scientific ship of exploration.
Riptide00
2) I don't disagree that rigid discipline is needed in military units, but Star Trek has the unrealistic position that there would be no
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Mind you people on the lower ranks were always pretty casual, i thought. Eg. Geordi and the occasional insecure technician.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Don't equate discipline with some totalitarian government. Star fleet allows plenty of room for creativity.
PhloydPhan
I told you, we don't have a captain. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.
Riptide00
A captain who makes the final decision and a captain who could have you shot for insubordination are two different things. It's autocratic.
awesock
He's quoting Monty Python friend
PianoMan2112
Be quiet!
Lickenziedickens
"I didn't vote for her"
ironsonic
you don't vote for captains
Fishmongerolt
Help help I'm being repressed!
9point3x62
See the violence inherent in the system!!
Macros64
Admirals distributing warp cores is no basis for a system of government!
TrueLegateDamar
If I went saying I was the Klingon Chancellor because a twat in a red pyjama gave me an anti-matter reactor they'd lock me away.
Macros64
Come and see the violence inherent in the Prime Directive! Help, help! I'm being unduly influenced!
ironsonic
be quiet....wesley
Billywonderful
Like every ship in the ocean? I mean cargo ships have captains and first officers.
Molvanian
Yeah but they also have Admirals, they place people in command of task forces, their ranks extend down to ensign, you know, literally
Molvanian
military ranks, with combat training, in their heavily armed war ships, they use to fight people.
mmurrbles
The Enterprise was armed but full of civilians and scientsists.
Molvanian
And children. And yet it was still sent to do things like "Patrol the neutral zone" and hunt down space pirates.
QuotesBecausePeopleDontTrustStrangers
Military ranking does not make it a military organization. You can leave SF any time and their combat abilities are for defensive purposes.
Molvanian
Except we have episodes with the Enterprise used either on patrol, or aggressively. It's sent into warzones.
QuotesBecausePeopleDontTrustStrangers
There is nothing wrong with patrols and SF has never instigated war. Defending yourself and your allies does not make you militaristic.
ProphetTenebrae
If they ever ran out of photon torpedoes, they could have just used Janeway's sass.
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Takavos
She was stacked with impossible choices from the start, disobey they prime directive and save most her crew in the first two episodes.
ProphetTenebrae
She's completely inconsistent. One week they've got to violate the prime directive to save some aliens, the next they can't.
Takavos
It is true, the show was inconsistent, but most of the other ones where really no better.
ProphetTenebrae
I don't think Picard, Kirk or Sisko were ever anywhere close to as mercurial as Janeway.
pfshfine
And now she's Red on OitNB
CephalopodLodge5
What's that and is it good?
ProphetTenebrae
Orange is the New Black. It's enjoyable and it's nice to see Mulgrew in a show that allows her to show her range.
nopenononope
There are intergalactic conventions that prohibit such savagery in warfare.
TheRedThirst
The Khitomer Accords
ProphetTenebrae
Weren't those just for the Klingons and the Federation? I've touched a girl, I swear!
TheRedThirst
It also banned the use of most "WMD's" like sub-space detonators and any phaser / disruptor that inflicted unnessessary pain & suffering.
ProphetTenebrae
Ah. Apparently those were the second Khitomer Accords.
TimeRyderAndTheChronoTeens
they have and did, there were no survivors
decoyyy
I misread that last word.
Parrotkick
And I clicked reply and was thoroughly disappointed..
fen4
They used up their only tricobalt sass devices.
WeenusMaGee
it really bothered that over 90 torpedoes were fired in the show and in the pilot Janeway said they had only 38 with no way to replace them.
nevergoingtogiveyouupnevergoingtoletyoudown
Actually I'm pretty sure they did that one time against the krenum during the year of hell.
JokeDudeR
Thought that said "ass"
CrusherOfCities
They never run out of torpedoes. They started with 38 and "no way to replace them", and shot something like 100 before the show was over.
Lan098
Shhhhhh
CrusherOfCities
Someone made an awesome video montage counting all of them, but the only copy I can find was taken down due to copyright complaint.
wolfpreist
They actually counted. then in one of the later seasons there's a throw away line that they've found a way to manufacture new ones
ProphetTenebrae
Ah, Voyager - your whole premise was a ship stranded with limited on the other side of the galaxy and it was almost never a problem.
ZaWithDude
No way to replace probably changed later on. Maybe phrase for IN that moment.
Mithi
They had Shuttle-trees in hydroponics, so maybe there were some photon-torpedo-bushes too?
FirefighterCaboose
I actually have thought of the same thing several times before, too.
cheeseguy3412
Yeeeah, that 'no way to replace them' thing was bullshit, they have industrial replicators in the cargo bays, power is the only limit there
CoeusDarksoul
It's the anti-matter containment that's the issue I'd think. Not only that, but the anti-matter itself.
NatsukiIsMyWaifu
Are you sure about that? I hardly ever remember them shooting more than a few. They used a lot of shuttle craft though.
xrufus7x
There is a video on youtube counting them. They fired around 100.
LordVulpix
They got more AFTER the borg gave them upgrades. After the borg they went torpedo crazy.
theworstthing
To be fair, so would I.
ProphetTenebrae
"Look at all the neat upgrades the Borg gave us? What should we do with them Captain?" "I want this ship back to normal by next episode!"
Treefur
They established early on they hop from planets to planets that have useful ores for them to use. They also trade with friendly aliens 1/2
xrufus7x
Sad thing is they could have fixed it by just throwing a line into a single episode.Good thing we figured out how to replicate torpedo part.
Treefur
they meet. If they can find a way to replicate a new shuttle (the Delta Flier), I'm sure they can also find a way to replace torpedoes.
ProphetTenebrae
Kind of kills the isolation and scarcity of resources when you can just build a super duper new shuttle.
cyno01
OmikronWeapon
What's this supposed to mean?
ProphetTenebrae
If you ever watch SFDebris's reviews, shuttles being destroyed/crashed/disabled is so common he awards a "burn baby burn" for it.
JKJM
That they never ran out of shuttles either
OmikronWeapon
did they really lose that many? I don't recall
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Stuebydoo
Needed to replace Kes
thisnameisntfunny
They got ride of Kes to make room/time for 7. Kes & 7 were on the show together for a while.
ProphetTenebrae
Three episodes, I think. Kes leaves immediately after Scorpion in "The Gift". Although, she one more episode.
Stuebydoo
I heard that they wanted to kill Harry off, but decided not to renew Kes'# contract in the end so she got cut instead
Stuebydoo
I heard that they wanted to kill Harry off, but decided not to renew Kes'# contract in the end so she got cut instead
Stuebydoo
I heard that they wanted to kill Harry off, but decided not to renew Kes'# contract in the end so she got cut instead
Stuebydoo
I heard that they wanted to kill Harry off, but decided not to renew Kes'# contract in the end so she got cut instead
Stuebydoo
I heard that they wanted to kill Harry off, but decided not to renew Kes'# contract in the end so she got cut instead
thisnameisntfunny
IIRC several people were on the chopping block, and everyone thought it was Harry. Everyone seemed upset about losing Jennifer Lien. 1/2
Stuebydoo
Stupid imgur replies!
thisnameisntfunny
I got the alert for this reply, but not the repeats you're referencing. I got terribly offended, thinking you were calling me stupid :(