i was at a party where everyone was complaining and saying they hated trump yadayda and i was like cool so we all voting for Kamala, and they were like oh no ill never vote in a presidential election, like wtf they why are you complaining you asked for this by doing nothing .
People like her is why we got Brexit in the UK. Seriously voted for it because "haha what am I like??" like they couldn't just pretend they did that and actually voted for something not stupid. I'm not joking. They interviewed people like this the next day.
"I feel compelled to vote different because everyone else surrounding me vote the same" ...voting isn't a fashion trend... being different should not be the reason for how you vote...
Just remember guys: For every one of us, that's decently informed, on the internet there's 10 absolutely fucking ignorant fucknut idiots that vote via their 'heart' aka uninformed opinion.
Yeah. Not incidentally, this is one of the worst manifestations of privilege. "I can choose on a whim b/c *I'm* not a protected class so I don't need to take politics seriously. I'm not struggling, why should I care about struggling people?" Too many people have dodged their responsibilities under the social contract and we have to stop acting like it's ok.
Or the opposite: they're voting for Trump, they know they're voting for Trump, and they're just too chickenshit to take the rightful flack they are owed for such a shitty, selfish, and stupid decision. So they're, "undecided," to their friends in the hopes that the subject will just pass by but MAGA in the voting booth.
Yep. I guarantee hundreds of thousands of trump votes are voting for him because he is who backs there insane views of Christianity even though the dudes an actual demon of a person
I used to vote for balanced congress and things like that. Then the 2016 cycle started and Trump started steering me left of center. By 2020 I dismissed any notions of balance.
Either way when looking at the VPs... I'd take Coach Big Dad Energy over Unhinged Rumored-Couch-Banger from Ohio any day.
Yeah balanced congress doesn't lead to bipartisanship it leads to deadlock because apparently making the other side looking bad is more politically advantageous than you looking good. Thanks, Gingrich.
No, that's a Trump supporter not in a comfortable space to say it. I'm fucking tired of this argument. If this was 2016, sure. But a line was drawn in the sand on Jan 6th 2021 and you are either an American, or you're not. Trump and maga are not. "Undecided" is someone that supports Trump, but wants to feign ignorance when he loses.
“The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” - usually attributed to Winston Churchill, but likely apocryphal
To clarify, Hitler didn't become chancellor by German voters. He was appointed, by the opposition. This would be like Harris winning the presidency then appointing Trump as her VP (somehow), then dieing.
This. How tf do you reach this type of person en mass? I keep coming back up that old phrase: Democracy is the worst form of government except for every other one. You think, why should this person be allowed to participate? But stopping them from voting usually results in stopping some serious voters, too. I have no solution, just disgust.
Oddly enough, the solution is to get more voters engaged and voting. It is harder to win with fearmongering if more people vote...but with less voters every hate filled (or idiotic) voter counts for more. So, day off to vote, automatic voter registration, etc.
One of my favorites is "politics are just thinly veiled businesses". This isnt about making life better or having a population that can thrive, its about making as much cash as possible for yourself before resetting everything to the stone age and people down below thinking that they TOO can reap those benefits.
To be clear because someone might think this is a joke, it's not. This lady is dangerous because she is looking not for logic or even a likeable candidate, she is looking to be entertained. That's why she said she would vote for him. He made her laugh. A serial killer can make you laugh, does not mean you get into their car.
I don’t feel smug about this ignorant asshole. Not one fucking bit. She thinks the couch fucker and rape-babies are okay. It’s more of a seething anger at her overwhelming privilege.
Well, I used the word smug since that's what Dennis is feeling in clip. Maybe I should have used the word "superior." It's people like her who are going to cause the spill, and everyone else gets covered in it.
If you have no self respect then you will search for validation from others or be easily manipulated by them. This is not always the case but it is largely statically true.
The logic of an idiot. Granted, it’s just as bad to blindly mimic everything your friend group believes, but those are two extreme ends of the dumbass scale.
Tim Walz has Major Dad Energy. He probably goes out to mow his lawn in crew socks and white New Balance shoes. JD Vance, for contrast, is just a straight-up freak with no principles at all. "BuT hOw CaN i PoSsIbLy DeCiDe?"
He hasn't openly admitted to being a Nazi, but actual Nazis showed up at a rally and nobody chased them away, which means everybody there was OK with Nazis.
A lot of them vote based on exposure, seriously. The more they hear about someone on the news, the more signs the see, the more they want to be part of the supposed popular crowd essentially.
I said this at one point, partially from something else I heard: "you may not be interested in politics, but you know who is? Your boss, your land owner, your school, your bank. Everyone who will make your life harder to pad their pockets are really invested in politics, and you're sitting there all "I just don't think it's worth it"."
And very shallow. I think there are a lot of people not voting for Harris because she’s black and/ or a woman. I’ve had people tell me she’s not smart enough with (obviously) ZERO proof. That’s just blatant racism or sexism
There is proof that she's not smart enough. Trump said so therefore it MUST be true. Trump only has to say something like that and the MAGAs are wandering around like zombies mumbling "Kamala not smart. Kamala not smart...) They don't need proof; as long as an obvious lie supports The Preferred Narrative the MAGAs will just absorb it and turn it into a 'new truth' or one of Kellyanne Conway's 'alternative facts'.
The one I hear the most is that she slept her way to the top. It makes absolutely no fucking sense, but fox (I'm assuming) said it once so it must be repeated.
They also said Obama "wasn't qualified." The guy who graduated from Columbia, was president of the Harvard Law Review, was a *constitutional law professor* and a US Senator. They couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, who was First Lady, US Senator and Secretary of State. Plain old prejudice.
Then the GQP realized their puppet could be controlled better if the candidates had no experience. So Trump is best because he's not a politician. And Jance Dance Vance is new to congress, so he isn't part of the old swamp rot. So anyone experienced and good at governing is just 'part of the corrupt career politicians.'
It's worse. A mouthful of dirt would be unpleasant but probably not cause any lasting harm. It's more like a choice between ice cream and dismemberment.
You got to keep it entertaining onstage, so probably not many times. Like once or twice but keep it light so other people don't feel uncomfortable about participating in crowd work..
I would have done the bit for a while and then said, very sincerely, that she seemed nice and I wish for to have rights. And I wished for her friends, children, parents, and siblings to have rights. And a clean environment. And a shot at slowing climate change. And that I hoped, when push came to shove—in the privacy of the voting booth—she would have the strength and foresight to want that for herself, too. Afterward, she could always just tell people she voted contrarian if she wanted.
Nah, not with weeks to the election. If you're still undecided in Sept/Oct, then you aren't instantly turned off by the words "climate change." If you are that knee jerk, you are already in the trump camp.
As she said, a lot of it is just being contrarian. The best play is to gently 1) convey the assumption that she already knows the right decision, 2) remind her that she's young and will live with the consequences of the policies, and 3) that she can still *claim* contrarianism afterward.
Perhaps. I think many voters do not always consider the grand nature of policy decisions and instead reflect on experience. If life was 'good' for them, personally, under x or y individual, they just go back to what was good. They will not consider all the intricacies of abortion, Israel, border, Ukraine etc. These things just don't 'effect' them. They either don't have the will, or the time, to explore these issues. Sprinkle in misinformation, it takes even more time to understand the truth.
What bizarre and self-defeating force is keeping you or anyone polite under these circumstances ?
There is a time for politeness. I am all in favour of this. But there is also a time to abandon that approach when it is demonstrably not getting the point across.
Yes, being impolite to someone who's considering voting for our version of Hitler simply to be a contrarian is just like beating your family for disobeying you. What an intelligent, sincere, and reasonable stance.
The thing you are stupidly ignoring by being dumb is that he already specifically destroyed her argument. She admitted OUT LOUD that she picks who other people don't like. He then ridiculed this defeatist idea with the dirt-eating joke.
No. It has every right to be as close as it is. Because if you want to think Kamala is such a great candidate, good for you. I have to deal with her being an Israel supporting asshole who doesn't care about my people. The Democrats need to wake up and realize that until they actually start caring for ALL Americans, then it will always be close.
People like that were produced by design by 5 decades of Republican policies that attacked their perceived threat of quality public education and higher education. They wrote books about it and lived by them. Now they lost control of their control and have been replaced by hucksters in the party. Looking at you Koch, Kissinger, Bennett and Chaney.
Ask him why. Make him explain, specifically, why being a Democrat is bad. Take it apart a piece at a time, and try and remain calm about it . Didn't let him get away with "they're just bad." How are they bad? What have they done you think is bad?
IF they are the sort, and your relationship is the type, that can have a civil open discussion... Definitely NOT a given... This is the only way to get them to think about how stupid that stance is.
Because people go after feelings not facts. It's like believing in something without evidence or evidence against your position. And you stick with it because it hurts to be wrong.
Exactly that! I don't know if @MasterMookie is religious, but I find it astounding the number of religious folks who say that same statement, but look confused when you point out that it describes religion.
While I like that we have compulsory voting in Australia, we also have lots of people like this and it's why we've had some shitty governments stay in power many times...that said, I think it does keep the extreme nutters out of power.
That, and our election process is protected against people putting themselves in the polling, deliberately trying to rig the vote. Also no gerrymandering or electoral college BS. They don't have a democracy....
They don't care, they just want the guy that also hates the people they hate. That's as far as they can see and you can convince them otherwise because they don't care about anything other than that.
I don't agree with that. I think they know that the chainsaw will feel like a chainsaw does. What they *think* is that the chainsaw won't be in THEIR mouth.
It took like five days for the last prez election to be decided. No way it's any less this year, and we need to be mentally prepared for that. Election week now
If Kansas can elect a Democratic governor with Republicans controlling 104 of 105 counties, I think we can keep the big orange asshole out of the White House this time around. I have some hope that we will pleasantly surprise you.
I just saw an article today over concerns of young black men voting for trump. One person was quoted as saying trump was " a man of his word" another said," he was good with world diplomacy" and the economy " was better" under him. I'm gonna pull my MF hair out.
I have a feeling articles like that are fake and or cherrypicked. I'm a black dude and I've met exactly one black trump supporter in my life and he was basically a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist. I don't doubt they exist but I highly doubt it's any kind of considerable percentage of black people. I think the media thinks they can manipulate the black vote by propping up examples like "see, this guy looks like you and supports trump, you should too!"
I met a black dude this past weekend when I was canvassing for democrats who said he had other plans. I really really wanted to ask, but I’m not that person. But from his demeanour, I think he might have had religious reasons either for backing TFG or for rejecting Harris—or both.
Like, it has been proven they've had to literally hire minorities to get them to make his rallies look more diverse. That wouldn't be necessary if even 30% of black people liked the dude. Plus the ai generated political ads featuring "blacks for trump". Another thing you don't really need to do unless that demographic fuckin' despises you.
It's going to be close because YOU ONLY HAVE TWO FUCKING CHOICES and yes, one is CLEARLY better than the other, but since half your countryhas purposely been made FUCKING STUPID they always choose the wrong one and the Democratic party really doesn't seem to care too much about that, so this shit will go down every fucking four years until doomsday, which you are always close to.
What's funny is how many uninformed Trump voters think the only ly reason we dislike Trump is because we are contrarians rather than recognizing how awful he is.
It all depends on what we are talking about, if you refuse to get a certain haircut because 9 of your friends got it, or refuse to wear skinny jeans because everyone is wearing them it is entirely harmless.
But voting for the death of american democracy because everyone around you decided to use their brains? Yeah that is the stupidest shit in the world.
That's a fucking stupid attempt at an analogy, bud.
Those scientists weren't right because they went against the popular beliefs, bud. They were right because they found new information that pointed to a different conclusion.
Eh. Once your thought process completely detaches from the logic of a situation, you are functionally better off NOT even have an opinion than one that's only basis for existence is just being different. It is, at best, completely absurd and, at worst, outright malicious.
Contrarian by definition is specifically someone who is against a popular position, purely because it is the popular position. If you're against what's currently popular because of any other motivation you're no longer a contrarian.
especially if it isn't based on specific circumstances. It's perfectly fine to see marvel movies as popular pop culture grabs that don't stand on strong script writing. It's another thing to hate every popular movie ever because people like them making you super interesting and alternative. When you lack specific reasons for taste, you are just an asshole.
That and apparently men are super averse to a woman as president. Neither are women really. I keep hearing "I just don't like her" from some of my aunts
We're all conditioned in the western world to associate power with men and that women who want to be powerful are evil (most of them are witches, literal or otherwise).
IStoleALoafOfBread
so, her voting decision comes down to 'treats me like trash, so I'll vote for them"...?
DickSuckedByAChristmasFriend
Holy shit people are stupid.
erithr
i was at a party where everyone was complaining and saying they hated trump yadayda and i was like cool so we all voting for Kamala, and they were like oh no ill never vote in a presidential election, like wtf they why are you complaining you asked for this by doing nothing .
OneMoreLime
Im not like the others, im different (dumber than fuck)
heyhodonho
People like her is why we got Brexit in the UK. Seriously voted for it because "haha what am I like??" like they couldn't just pretend they did that and actually voted for something not stupid. I'm not joking. They interviewed people like this the next day.
QuirkyWallace
"I feel compelled to vote different because everyone else surrounding me vote the same" ...voting isn't a fashion trend... being different should not be the reason for how you vote...
nikkilaurakevin365
AnonsAndMinions
Just remember guys: For every one of us, that's decently informed, on the internet there's 10 absolutely fucking ignorant fucknut idiots that vote via their 'heart' aka uninformed opinion.
Degarafarat
You should vote, because she is voting too.
JohnWickdidnothingwrong
Yeah. Not incidentally, this is one of the worst manifestations of privilege. "I can choose on a whim b/c *I'm* not a protected class so I don't need to take politics seriously. I'm not struggling, why should I care about struggling people?" Too many people have dodged their responsibilities under the social contract and we have to stop acting like it's ok.
bourbonandbaddecisions
At this point If you are still on the fence you’re either not paying attention or there is something wrong with you mentally. There is no in between.
cellfreeDNA
“Undecided” voters just want attention
blainetog
Or the opposite: they're voting for Trump, they know they're voting for Trump, and they're just too chickenshit to take the rightful flack they are owed for such a shitty, selfish, and stupid decision. So they're, "undecided," to their friends in the hopes that the subject will just pass by but MAGA in the voting booth.
MapleSyrupMafia
"Do I vote for the party that loves puppies or the party that shoot puppies? It's a really hard decision for me to make!!!"
Jawesome19
Christian nationalists are the only reason trump has any chance at all. He has them all brainwashed cause they're already brainwashed
paularized
Some Catholic Latinos/Hispanics used to vote Republican solely because of the abortion issue. Not sure if all of those voters still do.
Jawesome19
Yep. I guarantee hundreds of thousands of trump votes are voting for him because he is who backs there insane views of Christianity even though the dudes an actual demon of a person
spinballwizardmtg
I used to vote for balanced congress and things like that. Then the 2016 cycle started and Trump started steering me left of center. By 2020 I dismissed any notions of balance.
Either way when looking at the VPs... I'd take Coach Big Dad Energy over Unhinged Rumored-Couch-Banger from Ohio any day.
fr0stbyte124
Yeah balanced congress doesn't lead to bipartisanship it leads to deadlock because apparently making the other side looking bad is more politically advantageous than you looking good. Thanks, Gingrich.
cbale2000
One of many examples of why not everyone should vote.
LuminoZero
She didn't want to say, on stage, that she won't vote for Kamala because she's black.
I'll bet you $100 it's that simple.
i8p00p
It's simpler than that. She wants the attention. Most contrarians do it for the spotlight.
MapleSyrupMafia
No we don't!!! /s
ButteryBiscuitBass
This.
heyletsbefriends
SchmotGuys
gforsythe
Anyone know the name of the comedian?
LordofGoats
Gianmarco Soresi. Amazing comedian all around. A lot of his videos are his crowdwork like this, but his actual bits are also great.
ParallelParkingInABurka
PeggyvdP
Yes, we're fucked
mrthewhitee
You've just met the median voter folks
Bojovnik84
No, that's a Trump supporter not in a comfortable space to say it. I'm fucking tired of this argument. If this was 2016, sure. But a line was drawn in the sand on Jan 6th 2021 and you are either an American, or you're not. Trump and maga are not. "Undecided" is someone that supports Trump, but wants to feign ignorance when he loses.
mrthewhitee
You are just factually wrong. Every examination of indipendants has backed this up. They are not a monolith of embarrassed Trump supporters.
The 2020 and 2022 elections both proved that as well.
BarbariansSuckAtImgur
Democracy sounds like a good idea till you see the median voter, the maga voter... The Adolf voter.... *Sadness intensifies*
Noughmad
Well yeah, but then it starts sounding like a good idea again when you look at the alternatives.
stryhf
“The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” - usually attributed to Winston Churchill, but likely apocryphal
AFSamizdat
To clarify, Hitler didn't become chancellor by German voters. He was appointed, by the opposition. This would be like Harris winning the presidency then appointing Trump as her VP (somehow), then dieing.
SadsPikkelson
This. How tf do you reach this type of person en mass? I keep coming back up that old phrase: Democracy is the worst form of government except for every other one. You think, why should this person be allowed to participate? But stopping them from voting usually results in stopping some serious voters, too. I have no solution, just disgust.
MeanderingRiver
Oddly enough, the solution is to get more voters engaged and voting. It is harder to win with fearmongering if more people vote...but with less voters every hate filled (or idiotic) voter counts for more. So, day off to vote, automatic voter registration, etc.
Clayman8
One of my favorites is "politics are just thinly veiled businesses". This isnt about making life better or having a population that can thrive, its about making as much cash as possible for yourself before resetting everything to the stone age and people down below thinking that they TOO can reap those benefits.
Except of course they never do or will.
ViscousCousCous
education is the cure
FreeDadvice
I think Churchill said something like “The greatest argument against a democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”
Justwarlockthings
You gotta find the one personal issue that matters to them and work with that
tryyshokk
To be clear because someone might think this is a joke, it's not. This lady is dangerous because she is looking not for logic or even a likeable candidate, she is looking to be entertained. That's why she said she would vote for him. He made her laugh. A serial killer can make you laugh, does not mean you get into their car.
lichtly
lindabelchersfirstcousin
DeanGulberri1
KidShenck
That's actually perfect because the cereal's about spill all over us while we're feeling smug about this dummy.
lindabelchersfirstcousin
I don’t feel smug about this ignorant asshole. Not one fucking bit. She thinks the couch fucker and rape-babies are okay. It’s more of a seething anger at her overwhelming privilege.
KidShenck
Well, I used the word smug since that's what Dennis is feeling in clip. Maybe I should have used the word "superior." It's people like her who are going to cause the spill, and everyone else gets covered in it.
lindabelchersfirstcousin
youreathing
People like her are a very large part of the problem.
BrickSprickly
Very large people like her are the problem
4etherling
If you have no self respect then you will search for validation from others or be easily manipulated by them. This is not always the case but it is largely statically true.
AFSamizdat
Source of stats?
TeaOverdose
The woman in the video will never read your comment, but decent people on here who look like that will.
deathmonkey81
Debate the argument not an individual's physical appearance.
BrickSprickly
I'm not debating anything
Her privilege got her shitty politics and obesity
sadurdaynight
Wtf? "People around me think one way, so I HAVE to be devil's advocate." No you don't! Wtf is that logic?
AregularolPlumbus
The logic of an idiot. Granted, it’s just as bad to blindly mimic everything your friend group believes, but those are two extreme ends of the dumbass scale.
Shaodyn
Tim Walz has Major Dad Energy. He probably goes out to mow his lawn in crew socks and white New Balance shoes. JD Vance, for contrast, is just a straight-up freak with no principles at all.
"BuT hOw CaN i PoSsIbLy DeCiDe?"
blainetog
ok good. ok good. ok good.
Shaodyn
How is it even a question? Guy on the left is a genuinely nice dude who wants to help people, and the guy on the right is a literal fascist.
blainetog
Oh I agree, I was referencing that bizarre donut video Vance's people released.
lordratner
Literal?
Shaodyn
He hasn't openly admitted to being a Nazi, but actual Nazis showed up at a rally and nobody chased them away, which means everybody there was OK with Nazis.
ReverendLovecraft
the median voter is vibes based insanity, never forget that
johnvictor
A lot of them vote based on exposure, seriously. The more they hear about someone on the news, the more signs the see, the more they want to be part of the supposed popular crowd essentially.
nachosyndicate
And a 3rd grade reading level.
relevantPop3771
I'm gonna say insanity based vibes, 'cause I'm a Contrarian
recordmanjohn
Oh my god you're right! Of all the things to not take seriously... unimaginable for me.
PerrinAybara564
I said this at one point, partially from something else I heard: "you may not be interested in politics, but you know who is? Your boss, your land owner, your school, your bank. Everyone who will make your life harder to pad their pockets are really invested in politics, and you're sitting there all "I just don't think it's worth it"."
TinkerThinker42
Here's an older video of a Scotsman saying similar things. youtu.be/U78OeB6n-VM
albaboss
And very shallow. I think there are a lot of people not voting for Harris because she’s black and/ or a woman. I’ve had people tell me she’s not smart enough with (obviously) ZERO proof. That’s just blatant racism or sexism
Bunnies007
There is proof that she's not smart enough. Trump said so therefore it MUST be true. Trump only has to say something like that and the MAGAs are wandering around like zombies mumbling "Kamala not smart. Kamala not smart...) They don't need proof; as long as an obvious lie supports The Preferred Narrative the MAGAs will just absorb it and turn it into a 'new truth' or one of Kellyanne Conway's 'alternative facts'.
conniecpu
It's usually both, racism and sexism go hand in hand
CoinedWatcher
The one I hear the most is that she slept her way to the top. It makes absolutely no fucking sense, but fox (I'm assuming) said it once so it must be repeated.
cardinal29
They also said Obama "wasn't qualified." The guy who graduated from Columbia, was president of the Harvard Law Review, was a *constitutional law professor* and a US Senator. They couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, who was First Lady, US Senator and Secretary of State. Plain old prejudice.
ThatShiftyMonkey
Then the GQP realized their puppet could be controlled better if the candidates had no experience. So Trump is best because he's not a politician. And Jance Dance Vance is new to congress, so he isn't part of the old swamp rot.
So anyone experienced and good at governing is just 'part of the corrupt career politicians.'
nachosyndicate
Because gas is too high. I'd rather pay at the pump than live under a dictator.
daytimepajamas
i feel like he just described the election perfectly with the choice between ice cream or a fucking mouthful of dirt
TwoNineSix
It's worse. A mouthful of dirt would be unpleasant but probably not cause any lasting harm. It's more like a choice between ice cream and dismemberment.
i8p00p
Imalwaysready
"Only because of their VPs"
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?
supervillin
Means a Harris/Vance ticket might do well in her circles, somehow.
Imalwaysready
I would be FASCINATED to meet the people in that circle...
ThrowAwayAcct0000
"It's tough. I want women to be second class citizens, but I also want to piss off my family by saying I'm cancelling their vote... Hmmm."
darkhalfbreed
No it's the other way around, she wants women in a position of power, but she wants to piss people off by saying she is cancelling out their vote.
Alaaraaf
Ironically she could have both by voting for Harris and telling the people who bizarrely tolerate her she voted for Trump.
darkhalfbreed
Yeah I don't know why she doesn't think lying about it is an option
Gibleteousjack
It's not like our country wasn't literally built on lies. Why stop now?
ThatShiftyMonkey
"The presidential candidates are sooooo similar, I have to use their VPs as the tie breaker"
lindabelchersfirstcousin
Gibleteousjack
It's like the pot calling the kettle...eh...nevermind.
TheOneTrueZippy8
In those 10 minutes he claims he spent making fun of her, how many times do you think he called her a dumb bitch ?
And how many times would you have done ?
Zoroasterisk
Lots. Me? 0, but only because I prefer "loopy cunt"
backrideup9
On stage? Zero. Every other time for the rest of my life? Infinity.
darkhalfbreed
You got to keep it entertaining onstage, so probably not many times. Like once or twice but keep it light so other people don't feel uncomfortable about participating in crowd work..
TychoTychoAlba
Zero. I don't need to, it's already quite clear.
Imalwaysready
I would have done the bit for a while and then said, very sincerely, that she seemed nice and I wish for to have rights. And I wished for her friends, children, parents, and siblings to have rights. And a clean environment. And a shot at slowing climate change. And that I hoped, when push came to shove—in the privacy of the voting booth—she would have the strength and foresight to want that for herself, too. Afterward, she could always just tell people she voted contrarian if she wanted.
vegivamp
I give it a 90% probability that you mentioning "clean environment" or "climate change" instantly solidifies her trump vote.
You're mentioning both, so that goes up.
Imalwaysready
Nah, not with weeks to the election. If you're still undecided in Sept/Oct, then you aren't instantly turned off by the words "climate change." If you are that knee jerk, you are already in the trump camp.
As she said, a lot of it is just being contrarian. The best play is to gently 1) convey the assumption that she already knows the right decision, 2) remind her that she's young and will live with the consequences of the policies, and 3) that she can still *claim* contrarianism afterward.
AFSamizdat
Perhaps. I think many voters do not always consider the grand nature of policy decisions and instead reflect on experience. If life was 'good' for them, personally, under x or y individual, they just go back to what was good. They will not consider all the intricacies of abortion, Israel, border, Ukraine etc. These things just don't 'effect' them. They either don't have the will, or the time, to explore these issues. Sprinkle in misinformation, it takes even more time to understand the truth.
joepineapplesindrag
Zero on both counts. We can be polite.
TheOneTrueZippy8
What bizarre and self-defeating force is keeping you or anyone polite under these circumstances ?
There is a time for politeness. I am all in favour of this. But there is also a time to abandon that approach when it is demonstrably not getting the point across.
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TwoNineSix
Yes, being impolite to someone who's considering voting for our version of Hitler simply to be a contrarian is just like beating your family for disobeying you. What an intelligent, sincere, and reasonable stance.
richardstinks
And then what? Guy berates one person, shames them in front of others, and then? Everyone goes out and votes for Harris and we all get ice cream?
He made his point.
vegivamp
He made his line, and it flew completely over her head.
tattoogigolo
Forget ice cream. Let’s shove dirt in our mouths! /s
MediocreExtremist
And you think calling someone dumb will get the point across?
The other will just go in defensive mode and nothing changes
vegivamp
Do you think this interaction made her chance her mind?
Make Dumb Hurt Again.
TwoNineSix
"And you think calling someone dumb will get the point across?" It often does, yes.
richardstinks
The thing you are stupidly ignoring by being dumb is that he already specifically destroyed her argument. She admitted OUT LOUD that she picks who other people don't like. He then ridiculed this defeatist idea with the dirt-eating joke.
If you weren't dumb you'd get that.
sneakypoo
And because of people like that, the election is going to be a lot closer than it ever had any right to be.
GorashGoland
No. It has every right to be as close as it is. Because if you want to think Kamala is such a great candidate, good for you. I have to deal with her being an Israel supporting asshole who doesn't care about my people. The Democrats need to wake up and realize that until they actually start caring for ALL Americans, then it will always be close.
Chewi42
People like that were produced by design by 5 decades of Republican policies that attacked their perceived threat of quality public education and higher education. They wrote books about it and lived by them. Now they lost control of their control and have been replaced by hucksters in the party. Looking at you Koch, Kissinger, Bennett and Chaney.
ZeldaShotFirst
My FIL says "at least he's not a democrat" and I want to scream and throw things
bluntforcedrama
Ask him why. Make him explain, specifically, why being a Democrat is bad. Take it apart a piece at a time, and try and remain calm about it . Didn't let him get away with "they're just bad." How are they bad? What have they done you think is bad?
IF they are the sort, and your relationship is the type, that can have a civil open discussion... Definitely NOT a given... This is the only way to get them to think about how stupid that stance is.
It CAN work, but with in laws, it can be rough.
HandoB4Javert
PorkChopPanties
Fuckin great
GlobalImageServiceCat
Lewis Black gets me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY12SbF3J_4
Kazooski
Glad I voted.
Evi1Gav
Well, people like that and Nazis
SirWhiskersThe3rd
People like that should shove dirt into their collectives mouths.
MasterMookie
Because people go after feelings not facts. It's like believing in something without evidence or evidence against your position. And you stick with it because it hurts to be wrong.
rusrsdude
And that's why religion is such a strong brainwashing technique.
knittermom
@MasterMookie, you mean like religion? Which is why fear is such an effective tool to manipulate Christian’s to believe anything. :(
teknojo
Exactly that! I don't know if @MasterMookie is religious, but I find it astounding the number of religious folks who say that same statement, but look confused when you point out that it describes religion.
MasterMookie
Oh I am atheist.
teknojo
Excellent. Carry on!
BrotherEstapol
While I like that we have compulsory voting in Australia, we also have lots of people like this and it's why we've had some shitty governments stay in power many times...that said, I think it does keep the extreme nutters out of power.
Boddokki
That, and our election process is protected against people putting themselves in the polling, deliberately trying to rig the vote. Also no gerrymandering or electoral college BS. They don't have a democracy....
neithermenoryou
If these contrarians would be well educated voters that would also keep the extreme nutters out, and most likely the regular nutters too.
MAN9000
My brother said he voted for Trump because he thought it'd be funny last time.
malakim
US politics is beyond me. You essentially have the choice between a nice flowerfield and literally putting a chainsaw in your mouth...
ScaredSpitless
LOL… couldn’t think of a wider dichotomy than that, eh?
hoefty
Yes but if you're white and/or a man the chain saw is smaller and you revel in the pain caused.
xETM
49% (I hope) of US Voters: "Tell me more about this chainsaw in the mouth..."
Salticido
It's less of a nice flower field when they keep trying to appeal to centrists and Republicans, but it's still not a chain saw.
naturalorang3
They don't care, they just want the guy that also hates the people they hate. That's as far as they can see and you can convince them otherwise because they don't care about anything other than that.
naturalorang3
cannot** convince them otherwise
4Astaroth
Some people and they are quite a lot think that chainsaw will feel like a pleasant angel.
Chronomechanist
I don't agree with that. I think they know that the chainsaw will feel like a chainsaw does. What they *think* is that the chainsaw won't be in THEIR mouth.
foreverinchains
But the leopards won't eat 𝘮𝘺 face, right?
Shoumpue
It took like five days for the last prez election to be decided. No way it's any less this year, and we need to be mentally prepared for that. Election week now
qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyujmkiol
I don't care what the polls say, I'll still be very, very relieved AND surprised if T loses. I expect him to get close to 55%, and I hate us for it.
rlutece
If Kansas can elect a Democratic governor with Republicans controlling 104 of 105 counties, I think we can keep the big orange asshole out of the White House this time around. I have some hope that we will pleasantly surprise you.
qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyujmkiol
I will gladly be wrong on this one. At least he's taken seriously as an opponent this time around.
nachosyndicate
I just saw an article today over concerns of young black men voting for trump. One person was quoted as saying trump was " a man of his word" another said," he was good with world diplomacy" and the economy " was better" under him. I'm gonna pull my MF hair out.
DickSuckedByAChristmasFriend
I have a feeling articles like that are fake and or cherrypicked. I'm a black dude and I've met exactly one black trump supporter in my life and he was basically a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist. I don't doubt they exist but I highly doubt it's any kind of considerable percentage of black people. I think the media thinks they can manipulate the black vote by propping up examples like "see, this guy looks like you and supports trump, you should too!"
Wirefish
I met a black dude this past weekend when I was canvassing for democrats who said he had other plans. I really really wanted to ask, but I’m not that person. But from his demeanour, I think he might have had religious reasons either for backing TFG or for rejecting Harris—or both.
DickSuckedByAChristmasFriend
Like, it has been proven they've had to literally hire minorities to get them to make his rallies look more diverse. That wouldn't be necessary if even 30% of black people liked the dude. Plus the ai generated political ads featuring "blacks for trump". Another thing you don't really need to do unless that demographic fuckin' despises you.
nachosyndicate
I’m afraid you are most likely right.
Timetoupdatemyusername
It's going to be close because YOU ONLY HAVE TWO FUCKING CHOICES and yes, one is CLEARLY better than the other, but since half your countryhas purposely been made FUCKING STUPID they always choose the wrong one and the Democratic party really doesn't seem to care too much about that, so this shit will go down every fucking four years until doomsday, which you are always close to.
sneakypoo
Not my country.
Timetoupdatemyusername
My bad.
EmailFail
Contrariness is the stupidest shit in the world
BHPaperstacks
What's funny is how many uninformed Trump voters think the only ly reason we dislike Trump is because we are contrarians rather than recognizing how awful he is.
Hukkie
It all depends on what we are talking about, if you refuse to get a certain haircut because 9 of your friends got it, or refuse to wear skinny jeans because everyone is wearing them it is entirely harmless.
But voting for the death of american democracy because everyone around you decided to use their brains? Yeah that is the stupidest shit in the world.
YummyBubb1es
Contrariness is great for humor or for evaluation situations from different perspectives. It is NOT a good thing for basing your belief system on
SarcasticComment
huge difference between not buying into popularity and making stupid fucking decisions.
MediocreExtremist
depends on the motivations
MediocreExtremist
wow .. why akk the hate !?
there have been many scientists that were againt the current ruling popular believe .. but they were right nonetheless....
foreverinchains
That's a fucking stupid attempt at an analogy, bud.
Those scientists weren't right because they went against the popular beliefs, bud. They were right because they found new information that pointed to a different conclusion.
IOftenDeleteCommentsCauseISuckAtTyping
Eh. Once your thought process completely detaches from the logic of a situation, you are functionally better off NOT even have an opinion than one that's only basis for existence is just being different. It is, at best, completely absurd and, at worst, outright malicious.
EmailFail
Nope. Stupid. Fucking. Childish. Shit.
neithermenoryou
Contrarian by definition is specifically someone who is against a popular position, purely because it is the popular position.
If you're against what's currently popular because of any other motivation you're no longer a contrarian.
vDorothyv
I don't disagree, but I don't mind a contrarian about things that don't matter.
ancalime
The only motivation for a self described contrarian is a desire to feel special.
SarcasticComment
especially if it isn't based on specific circumstances. It's perfectly fine to see marvel movies as popular pop culture grabs that don't stand on strong script writing. It's another thing to hate every popular movie ever because people like them making you super interesting and alternative. When you lack specific reasons for taste, you are just an asshole.
inkasep1
No it isn’t! /s
SlyMrFox
Listen, I paid to have an argument.
HandoB4Javert
inkasep1
No you didn’t.
SlyMrFox
Well, if I didn't, why are we having an argument?
Idontneedrealfacts
That and apparently men are super averse to a woman as president. Neither are women really. I keep hearing "I just don't like her" from some of my aunts
rlutece
We're all conditioned in the western world to associate power with men and that women who want to be powerful are evil (most of them are witches, literal or otherwise).
MissSiesta
Naaaw. You in America are just waaaaaaay behind and have a lot of mysogeny.
rlutece
Both things are true. But to think that this is an America-only problem is dangerous.
FoamingToad
To be fair, from across the pond, we've had three women PMs. And they were all awful, albeit in different ways.
4etherling
How is that fair? What we need to do is look at the individual. Harris does have her shit together.