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saturatedcottonballs
If you're still watching fox news or other right wing podcasts/media then we don't need to go any further. They decieved so many and yet people still listen to them. You'll be back voting for Trump or some other conman soon enough.
quietwalker
Back during the first trump regime, I suggested that that the folks that voted for him should be tossed in a volcano, and folks were like "That just makes you the same as them!"
ChromePlatedEquator
Here's what I say to them, as politely as possible: "GO FUCK YOURSELF AND DIE IN A FIRE YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!"
TurnsOut42WasASlightMiscalculation
Anyone that voted for him and now realizes their error and wants any sort of appreciation for that realization, welcome, or comfort - needs to first reconsider all of their ideas and attitudes that allowed them to cast that vote in the first place. Like maybe "woke" is right. Maybe every other person out there is just as important as themselves, no matter what they look like or where they are from. Maybe they should live both sides of "if it harm none, do as you will." Then MAYBE we can talk.
RexRexroththe1st
Maga at the door
FeralBurnett
TLDR. magats don’t care. You’re preaching to the choir. As much as I appreciate the message, I know that magats will never read this. It’s too long and has words they don’t understand. They only care about “owning the libs,” sucking orange D* and their christian nationalism. I’m too busy just trying to survive - physically, emotionally, and financially to spend time reading and responding to #FAFO magats.
DoubleDefenestration
They don’t actually want to make nice with the Left, they don’t want to be held accountable
bittenicht39
Did you know that in post-war Germany, practically nobody was a Nazi and everybody was part of the resistance? Strange thing. The same happens to the US now.
DickGenie
What Colbert say again? "Hard to feel sympathy for people who ordered a shit sandwich, found it disgusting, and then ordering it again."
DickGenie
Or something
distractedFreek
The worst part is there will be people who will forgive them and take them in, and the only thing they'll learn is that they could do it again and again and again with no consequence. They need to finally hit rock bottom like so many of the people they hurt, then they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and then maybe start participating in society again.
Darklinkinfinite
MAGA voters are still going to vote Republican in the future. They’ll just say “oh it’s not Trump this time” even it’s the same shit in a different suit
FoxPesdassi
It's even *worse* than that. The NEXT Trump will be younger, smarter, healthier, better-looking, better at public speaking, better at running a business, better at pretending to be Christian, and with NO evidence of fraud, larceny, sexual abuse, or bankruptcy. He'll still be every bit as twisted, evil, & corrupt as THIS Trump is . . . but he'll be GOOD at it.
They've SEEN what they can get away with, now. Why the fuck should they bother trying to do anything the RIGHT way?
ImHereToGetDownvotes
I honestly don't know if I see that as a possibility. Just look at the people who have tried to be Trump lite; DeSantis, Vance, Dutton from Australia, lots of Republican candidates across the country. Almost all of them are essentially met with rebuke as "Just a cheap ass copy." The problem with a lot of them is frankly, they're too smart. Trump is as dumb as a rock so speaks at the level of the average MAGA voter. Someone smarter doing that comes off as fake and pandering.
johnathanrossshoulddie
Anyone who ever wore a MAGA hat is a Nazi and I don't give a fuck about Nazis doing anything other than dying.
unluckyandbored
They didn't care until it affected them
RooGryphon
looking for a place maga? there be no shelter here!
codenameRadical
They pressed a button and got punched in the face. They pressed it again, and got punched in the face, again. Fair enough. But then they pressed it /again/. There's just no excuse. Curiosity, belief that things will change, nothing.
Even worse, their "turn" is likely just in some direction of "getting the old republican party back". Except, we need progressives. We don't need the DNC influenced further to the right. If we do that, we'll have more fascism.
QuantumInc
They did not get punched in the face though. Certainly MAGA voters are delusional, but a big part of that is that we all rely on outside sources to understand what is happening out there, and all of the right-wing news sources are systematically lying to them. They are also racist and stuff, but racism comes from somewhere.
codenameRadical
The first term literally ruined soy exports. China stopped doing it, and started buying from Russia. Our farmers were having a /really/ hard time. They mishandled the pandemic so badly that a lot more people died, and the economy tanked. A lot of red hats died as a /direct/ result of their propaganda, and their families had to watch. Then they got him in for a second term, and he did the same shit, and now China isn't buying soy again, and farmers are having a hard time, again. They really did.
OriginalAndWitty
At this point I'm just like whatever, there are idiots in every generation, so can we start fixing this already? Can we try to salvage whatever's left of democracy and set some ground rules so we can avoid this again in the future? The roots of all this is psychopath billionaires with too much influence over media and lawmakers. It's going to take decades to undo the damage to education and the sooner we start correcting wrongs the better.
thekeyofe
"The roots of all this is psychopath billionaires with too much influence over media and lawmakers. It's going to take decades to undo the damage to education and the sooner we start correcting wrongs the better."
Absolutely 100% correct. However, it's hard to rebuild your house after a fire when your neighbor keeps trying to set it on fire again.
evildadunit
and then what?
scrumbles666
Civil war because society cannot continue to stand with so many members in outright delusional states of mind.
NotACanadian
And then...and then...then...I bet they'll feel REALLY bad, that's what! And then I "win". This is what it means to run a nation.
("own the libs" ideology has bled over here, it seems.)
ParallelParkingInABurka
Hey @OP, you can delete images 12-22, those are all duplicates. There's gonna be a relatively big overlap on 11 & 23 but eh, nothing you can do about that.
Optodata
Just read it on the Substack link OP provided as it's much easier to read there
19marcurious57
It ain't nice 'till you read it twice.
WolvesAreTheBestPeople
Once a Nazi, ALWAYS a Nazi. They says they have given up their Nazi ways, but in 2 months when Trump is dead, they will be voting for Nazis again like nothing ever happened.
I GUARANTEE IT!!!
scrumbles666
No on the permanence of Naziness, but yes on the voting for Nazis again because, while change is possible, it's very, very hard. What's really sneaky about the 'but if we don't forgive them, however will things get better' shit, is that it obscures the actual reasonable position- forgiveness requires meeting a reasonable standard outlined in every 12-step program. You have to stop lying, accept responsibility, make amends, and then show significant change.
bittenicht39
There‘s a German saying: When you are in a rastaurant and you have a table with 10 normal people and one Nazi sitting there - you have a table of 11 Nazis.
cousteau
They could always pay their groceries with owning the libs, family values, and America greatness, right? Right? That pays the rent and the groceries, right MAGA? That's what was ultimately most important so other stuff such as affording to live must be secondary, right? And hey, at least you didn't get straight into a war with Iran just one fucking year into your beloved messiah's term, so that's great news too, right? /s
ArbysAteMyBaby
Has anyone met one of these people that have changed their mind and are trying to no longer be maga because I sure as hell haven't if they're out there they must be like unicorns?
baldbear
Maga = Nazi. Ex-Maga = Ex-Nazi. And yes, I wish you treat them accordingly. Because there will never be any true change in the way they see you. Do not repeat the failures Germany made when reintegrating this scum into society. They do not deserve it, and you deserve better.
gguy825
lol yep everyone is a nazi if they disagree with me
marquettegoldeneagles
Thats why I cut contact with my parents. Why associate with people who were willing to be on the wrong side of history?
Rainbowdaesh
Sir, this is a Wendy’s
But also yeah. A whole lot of people failed the easiest open book civics exam in history and now they want to pretend like that deserve at least a passing grade. Fuck em.
emu314159127001
Really, i hope they all "decrease the surplus population." We've all read our Christmas Carol
AmZero85
They were those group project members who did jack shit and still think they deserve to pass.
ArcUlfr
Actually, I feel a better metaphor is that they're the asshole who actively tore up, deleted, and intentionally slipped errors into the work of the others in their group. I would have preferred the fuckers do nothing; instead they actively, enthusiastically made everything worse for nearly everyone...and still expect a passing grade.
LateNightBunnyParty
Goddamn, that was a cathartic read.
Sylviastout
Yeah. I actually let out an exhale I felt I'd been holding a long time.
Bowtie8bit
For real.
Hydroflora
yeah there's people raging because "the maga people don't care" and yeah true but still cathartic to read.
VizierTempus
This is a bit of a torn one for me.
It's good that they finally see the light and are turning, we need the help, but if they want forgiveness? Nah fam, all that hate and malice that STILL continues has made me quite bitter.
They voted for a psycho and got burned for it. I'm not delusional to think this is only happening because they personally got burned.
This is why education and empathy is important, yet they spent so long pretending both are "leftist woke ideals", and look where it got us.
januarylover
The people who voted for the fascist are being judged for the content of their character. Not sure why you think the victims of their decisions should feel responsible for their comfort.
georgejimmydoodle
They are not turning. They still hate women, education, black and brown people, and anyone who is not a cis-het Christian. They just don't like that gas is getting expensive.
LunaWolvesLoyalist
Fuck em. MAGA do not deserve forgiveness. They do not deserve a soft place to land. They deserve to be ostracized, to be cold, to be alone, to be hungry, to be persecuted for being the fascist POS that they are. Do not have empathy for these walking talking tumors. Cut them out and cast them aside.
Ultratoxic
I don't wanna hear shit from them. I don't want apologies actually because they're used to apologizing to get themselves out of trouble. I want action. I want them to do work to correct this shit show they've gotten us into. Apologies without a sincere change in behavior is just manipulation and the right has proven themselves capable and willing manipulators. So no, I'll never trust a word a magat says to me ever again.
FinancialRavioli
I'll accept their help to right this ship. I'll never forgive them for blowing a hole in the hull.
Margrave9000
MAGATs have forfeited their political rights and should never regain them.
DamnThursdays
Remember "Toxic Empathy" being something a bunch of pastors gave sermons on? Toxic. Fucking. Empathy. These people are so nauseating they could be classified as an emetic.
Bowtie8bit
If you are anyway at all accepting of them then you have not been hurt enough by them, yet. They are irredeemable. Completely. Life on Earth only gets better when they don't exist anymore.
RevRagnarok
I cut ties with a significant portion of my family when they were spreading his lies on Facebook before the election. I'm never fucking speaking to them again. Ever. Done. My brother-in-law let me know my father was in the hospital for something. I told him IDGAF and I hope he tells the nurses how they're not doing a real job, just like his master told him.
cousteau
"Seeing the light" would make sense after his first term. They got a 4 year trial version, "holy shit, this guy is insane, we made a mistake voting for him, let's never do this again", and he gets kicked out of politics and disappears for good. But this is the second time this happens. This isn't lack of "seeing the light" until now, this is absolute malice. They actively wanted this. They seeked this on purpose. The only reason they're mad is that now they're suffering what they chose.
syoebiusprime
That is literally what the article says
Arcanum3000
They're not seeing the light. They're not having a crisis of conscience. They're having a crisis of consequences.
HappyNewLife
Yep. If we welcome them into our fold, they'll only turn on us again the moment they have the *tiniest* bit of personal inconvenience. And this time they'll be able to fight us even more effectively because they'll know us from the inside. They're too dangerous to be allowed to run free, let alone enter our communities.
GOAE
They're not having a crisis of confidence either. Month after month I see garbage articles like this claiming the Republicans are jumping ship, yet every poll shows that they are the most stubborn human beings and once bamboozled they embrace the bamboozle. They cannot be swayed, because it just takes Trump telling them something they want to hear, no matter how blatant of a lie, and they fall right back to their hive mind programming.
DysgraphicProgrammer
The people who leave the republican party no longer show up on polls as republican. So those who do show up as republican get crazyer on average. This is the expected course of a cult dying out.
Vortexhelios320
I won't stand in their way if they truly want to change, but I will offer them no assistance, and they will have to work the rest of their lives to do so.
The way I see it, you get one (1) vote for trump. Whether you truly didn't see what he was because you were blinded by FOX "news" in 2016, or you were a child who grew up in a cloistered household that brainwashed you into thinking he was some sort of messiah before your first election in 2024. ONE vote. My sympathy ends there.
januarylover
It's not our responsibility to ensure people who victimized other people, still feel like good people. It's not our responsibility to rehabilitate people who abused us. Just because an abuser says 'sorry' after years of abuse, doesn't mean we're obligated to invite them in & make them feel better & welcome.
slopwizard
On my most charitable days I could consider forgiving a 2016, but it was actually obvious even then. I wouldn't even consider any later than that.
ArcUlfr
I would still put those who didn't bail after 1/6 at a different level than those who did. None of them can say they didn't know he was bad news, but at least the latter group has some concern for representative government.
GloveFullaVaseline
Fucking couldn't agree more.
cousteau
Yeah. 100% this. Voting for this guy once - OK you're a fucking idiot, but maybe he was exaggerating after all. You made one (huge) mistake, you didn't know he was gonna turn out exactly as bad as he looked like, but he did. It's politics, people often use metaphors and you never know what they're really gonna be like until the guy is actually in power. But TWICE?? Holy shit, you KNEW this was gonna happen!
FeralBurnett
Who is turning? I’ve not had one magat that I know in my world, who has changed their mind. They seem to have doubled down in their hatred and bigotry.
VizierTempus
So if they want to help us clean out the Trump admin, sure I'll take their help, but trust and forgiveness is something they will spend the rest of their lives earning. They need to change as people and not just because they're inconvenienced.
OutspokenHBW
Same, I'll work alongside one IF they admit THEY made a mistake and own it, but it doesn't mean I've forgiven them.
heroesblood
They'll spend the rest of their lives *trying* to earn it. The trust is gone. Fucking gone. Forever. All they have is repentance.
georgejimmydoodle
Can't trust a fascist or anyone who can be tricked by a fascist.
Butterupmybuttcheeks
Actions have revealed truths they want to pretend never came to light
heroesblood
This is exactly correct. That hate was in there from the start and it will always live in there. Forgiveness is off the table.
meme2zombie
What was the line, something like "Stabbing me in the back then pulling the knife out doesn't heal the harm, and you won't even admit the knife exists".
They just now also go stabbed a little bit and want sympathy from everyone else who they helped stab.
tentacularfleshscape
The axe forgets, the tree remembers
GratuaCuun
Much wordier version of my own feelings on the subject as 'moderates' and 'centrists' post bullshit articles about how it's now our job to unbrainwash these fuckers like we're all in hospice care
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pasthelod
those articles are dumb. our job is to prevent it from happening again.
mymustachecallstheshots
Its cathartic, sure. Laugh in their face, point fingers, say fuck em. What happens next? Where do they go? Well, they double down, obviously. It feels good to give into these feelings, but you simply reinforce their "us vs them" mentaility, and we have seen what they do with that.
They fucked around, and we had to find out what we already knew was coming. We didnt do this. But how does it get fixed by reinforcing the lines? It sucks, but thats adulthood. I dont wanna fix it, but who will
GratuaCuun
mymustachecallstheshots
I don't disagree that it's gross. My daughter is trans, I would love to act on my frustration and anger and shove their face in the shit they put on the floor. Doesn't make a better world for my daughter. For my daughter to be safe, got to start converting these assholes. And the 2000s we thought all these people were gone, and all it took was one piece of shit to bring him out of the woodwork. If you have a better solution, I'm listening.
GratuaCuun
mymustachecallstheshots
I know what im saying sounds like im some kind of apologist (im not). My daughter is trans and alienating the people who are peeling off maga does not help her. Converting them does. Its gross, its awful, but i cant help but to think about Daryl Davis. He is a black artist that has engaged with KKK members, empathized with them, and has convinced dozens to hundred to leave. Yes, i will talk to these people, already convinced a handful of them thay trans people arent bad.
mymustachecallstheshots
Sounds awful right? Convinced them something any decent human should already know right? Fine, be a judgy fuck, but one of them had a daughter come out trans masc and because i didnt write them off they talked to me. They accepted him instead of making their life hell. And now they wont vote against my daughter rights.
I could use some fucking help here. A lot of trans lives depend on turning this tide and unbrainwashing these assholes. No one likes it, its dirty work, but thats life.
LunaWolvesLoyalist
You wanna help your trans daughter? Teach her self defense. Invest in a firearm, or two. MAGA do not deserve a single iota of forgiveness or grace and this idea of "we gotta be the better person, when they go low we go high" is partially what got us here.
mymustachecallstheshots
She has taken self defense, from my wife who is a former Corrections officer. Look, it's not about forgiveness or grace, never said you should, I'm just asking what happens if these people try to jump ship and we just send them right back? You are just "owning the magas", the lines in the sand that are fucking us wont move. Feels good, sure. But this isnt about feelings, its just functionaility. How does anything change if nothing changes? Do what you want, i would rather be productive.
jamilah19
It's good we have patient people like yourself who are willing to sacrifice their time and sanity for the rest of us who are fatigued beyond belief.
mymustachecallstheshots
Not saying I have the patience time or energy for it myself, just pointing out that's what it will take to fix things. It's unpleasant, lot of these people are just repugnant. But if division stay the same, and it's the pedophile cult that will make them feel welcomed, then nothing will change.
Yes, they made the situation we are all in, and they are not going to fix it themselves. But high road is still going down with the ship, to mix metaphors.
Smashaga
It’s funny how “grace” has suddenly made a come back. “If we don’t give these people grace they’ll go to the right.” Then they were never were not.
Photeus
Core Christian values at play: you're always a good person. Not because of actions, because your bad actions must be forgiven. So in their minds, they were doing what's right and should be forgiven instantly for their 'mistake'. Oh well, other people had their lives ruined, but you gotta forgive them because Jesus always did - God's grace at play. And God forgives them, who are you to go against that!?
I hope my vitriol with all that is clear.
GratuaCuun
It's been 10 years - I'm 37 - I'll be 40 by the time we get his ass out assuming there's anything left by that point
I'm *done* with grace, motherfucker
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heroesblood
God damn right.
justasuggesture
You know, I never hear anything like that from right-wingers, like, ever. I've never, ever heard anyone complain if you tell the left 'fuck your feelings' they'll never come around!" or anything like that. It's always up to the left to "reach out and be the bigger person". All you're telling me is where your sympathies really lie.
intaglioguy
MAGAs don't want reconciliation. They don't want to atone. They desperately want to be free from being held accountable. They desperately want to avoid the responsibility for their actions. They cannot be allowed to do so.
piratecaptainwendy
A desire for absolute freedom from responsibility of one's own actions is the whitest thing in the universe.
TheBobbyLlama
They are looking for forgiveness in that performative Christian way, where being really really sorry is all that is needed.
That won't be enough for the rest of us, and I doubt the vast majority of them will ever understand why.
IhopeyougetstageIIIcoloncancer
Yup. Forgiveness without atonement isn't forgiveness, it's acceptance.
Any MAGAs who sincerely want to repent should be allowed to do so. But they need to understand that one quick mea culpa is insufficient. This is going to be like dropping 80 pounds through diet and exercise. They need to be willing to dedicate themselves to repairing the harm they've caused.
Anything less is just acceptance, and what they've done is unacceptable.
DukeDarkwood
Reconciliation won't work unless they take that responsibility. Admit their mistakes and wrong doings. Apologize, and start working to undo the damage they did. It's a long process, and, after all that's happened, we on the left are going to be watching them like hawks.
If any of them can do all that, that'd be great. But I feel that, after the wave of all who weren't OK with Jan 6 left, it took all the principled people with it. Maybe a bare handful more left in the five years since, at best.
JustAPileOfCats
People can't come out of a cult like MAGA and expect to be embraced as a friend on day one, or after a week. It just doesn't work like that. It takes a long time to earn back the trust which was lost when they decided that they were fine with all the accusations of rape, pedophilia, with scapegoating, disappearing and murdering minorities, with destroying civil rights, impoverishing ordinary people and enriching the obscenely wealthy. That's a broken trust that, in many cases, is irreparable.
bittenicht39
Like the trust between the US and its allies. It will take decades until the US is trusted again, if ever. As long as the country is just one vote away from installing another Trump or worse, this trust will never return.
zagibu
Hate to break it to you, but the US was never trusted. It was just respected because of it's economic and military power. But most nations on Earth know exactly who is the prime factor of instability in the world. It's not Russia or China.
Gabelvampir
Well there's one kind of important state where most of the population doesn't know this: the USA.
zagibu
They could know it, but most of them don't want to. There are actually many different US intellectuals who criticise US foreign policy publicly and many books have been written about it. But news in this section are usually just a footnote in mainstream media.
Gabelvampir
Seems the situation is about what I figured. I didn't want to imply nobody in the USA has a critical look on their foreign policy (or that nobody is informed about it at all), I'm sorry if I did, but as you sad I don't think that's something big parts of the population have an informed opinion about. Which seems to be a trend in all western countries that leaning more and more to the (often extreme) right, unfortunately.
Gabelvampir
I really really hope we don't trust the US again after Trump for a long time, I hated it we tried to pretend it never happened during Biden's term and welcomed them back with open arms.
powwerbottom
I welcome anyone who, in good faith, is willing to admit they were wrong and to talk about why. This eliminates most of MAGA, as the entire movement was designed to appeal to people who are incapable of that.
JtotheSK
I could not agree more. Well said!
taez555
They'll still vote for him in 2028, though.
piratecaptainwendy
Voting? In 2028? WE can dream right?
readbackmonkey
We'll they definitely will if the response to them reconsidering is "fuck you".
Khanamana324
Ah yes, let’s continue to coddle reactionaries and let them abdicate all responcibility for their actions. That worked out so well up to this point! /s
heroesblood
And what, we're supposed to make them into better people? Fuck off with that, they can do the god damned work themselves.
kurastwolf
The "Fuck your feelings; get triggered snowflake" crowd is really complaining about being treated the same way these days and I'll be honest, stay mad.
readbackmonkey
The digging into a week old downvoted comment to argue vibe is a little weird. I dont live in your county, so i dont really care, but i dont see the advantage of hating on someone who is seeking to join your side. You wont ever fix your country if you arent willing to reconcile with people who admit they were wrong.
kurastwolf
For someone who doesn't care you seem to care a lot.
zagibu
They are not reconsidering, they are just cowardly trying to avoid having to live with the consequences of their own choices. We should carve MAGA into their foreheads.
readbackmonkey
You guys dont get how voting works
SuperSaiyanYamcha
Okay; then every person that voted for Trump and “regrets” it should abstain from ever voting again.
Republicans and regressives everywhere become a footnote and real progress can be made to fix the country.
Problem solved.
thisisnotfineffs
Sure, coddle the fascists, that will make them better people. Fuck that, they're brainwashed peasant brained dogshit. Much more efficacious to turn energy to mobilizing the non-voters instead of engaging with brainwashed trash
evilspock
Given he's term limited out and voting for him in 2028 - via a write-in because he can't be on the ballot - is wasted, then yes indeed, please do.
(It would take a constitutional amendment for him to be president again everywhere except in MAGA's wet dreams. Not happening.)
FoxPesdassi
He's only Constitutionally barred from running again IF someone actually ENFORCES it. Which no one will. Because he's Trump, and the rules magically Do Not Apply to him.
evilspock
Do not believe in the myth of the magical president. Look at recent news - his hand picked SCOTUS court is ruling against him, he's losing case after case. His tarriffs get rolled back time and time again. The ship is sinkimg and the rats are looking for a way out, and a self-destructive feeding frenzy is the likely outcome, not the presidency. He'll be lucky to survive the midterms, and he's acknowledged if he tanks those he'll be impeach4d, tried, and jailed.
The701
Ok so let's say he runs anyway, and the Republican Party illegally gives him the nomination. Who or what is actually going to stop him? Is anyone going to arrest him? Will Republicans in Congress impeach and remove him?
Thorbane
States will literally not put him on the ballot. Or at least enough of them.
And then it'd be challenged in court.
evilspock
Any ballots with a non-eligible candidate will be discarded, the same as if you wrote in the name of a child (under 35), a non-native (natural born citizenship required) or mickey mouse. Failing to do so will immediately trigger a *very* easy to win court case.
evilspock
The legal basis for Donny being president ends January 20th 2028 at noon, if not prior due to death or impeachment, and the very same Constitution that establishes the office of the president prohibits a third term. Either the constitution is the law of the land or it's not, and rich people like having money not useless scraps of paper. This is a battle Donny loses.
RetrogradeLlama
Way TL;DR: make no mistake: the MAGA are in no way attempting to befriend the left. In fact, they’re looking for a way to blame us for what Trump is doing. The MAGA never make a mistake; just ask them.
This long exercise in mental masturbation is just that.
syoebiusprime
So what's your alternative?
TheLuminousBanana
agree
Alphee99
I like the woman that actually said she would never vote for a Democrat because of the way the left has treated her. Like, you haven't learned a god damned thing.
JimFromMarketing
I like, "Because you were so pathetically desperate to
feel like a winner that you didn't care who lost.",
That was worth the read I'm gonna use that
Snooj
Yeah, I don't know where those "millions" are but I haven't interfaced with a single MAGA person who is rethinking things.
CatShadowleaf
I've never seen any rethink but I have seen some go silent. Not that it matters, they'll vote the same next time.
PrecogFrogOnALog
The ones i work with are still saying Kamala would have been worse, but can't answer when asked what she'd be doing that's worse than what he's doing.
meme2zombie
OddOod
I think the author is talking to a specific person TBH
StarmineRendezvous
This rant and article is embarrassing and portraying the right-wingers wrong. They still want even worse for us, but want better for them.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Nah. I want what is better for everyone and that cannot come about until those who want for worse are ostracized from our society.
If they demonstrate actual change then they can come beg to be associated with again but until such a time these fucks who make our society worse need to be kicked to the fucking curbs.
They rely on our pacifism to shield them from facing any repercussions for their behavior.
TheOldSchoolisBack
Yes, this is just a liberal fantasy. The true MAGA believers still believe. The ones having second thoughts are the ones who thought Trump 2 would be like Trump 1 and that they would economically benefit from it. Swing voters being heavily influenced by their self interest will never not be a thing.
floatationman
I think the point is there are people peeling off. The ones that cannot continue to lie to themselves, or at least accept the talking points that are increasingly obvious lies. I agree with the author, in 2016 if you voted for him once, I'm willing to forgive. Perhaps you got bamboozled by a con man. But if you voted for him 3 times? You decided what was important to you and what was not. And that, at the *least* is a major moral failing. Even if it took you 10 years to realize it.
Closetnuzzlepuzzla
It didn't seem helpful
ThrowAwayAcct0000
I've got relatives who would still vote for him, because they are rich and only care about their money. Literally nothing else he says or does, just how he makes them richer. I also don't talk to them anymore, because they've made clear their money is more important than the lives of others, and I don't associate with human garbage, no matter how much money they flash around.
Navrodel
If they're going anywhere, it's definitely not the left. They're going to the other clout-chasing social media Republicans who see how unpopular Trump is starting to become and are shouting that they always knew he was a bastard - even though their lips are obviously still orange.
MTG didn't suddenly have a stroke of conscience, or decide she was tired of money. She's just getting ready to be at the ground floor of the new grift - and the ones throwing their red hats away will go there.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Doesn't help that the US literally doesn't have a left wing to begin with. Kinda hard to run somewhere that doesn't yet exist.
icantbelieveistillhavetoprotestthiscrap
They lack the brain power to self-reflect. No, really. I had a category of friends I used to label “dumb but harmless”. Every single one of them went for Trump and have stayed there. They were dumb, but not harmless.
SuperNintendoEntertainmentSystem
Yeah maybe this is a trend that's happening, but I've yet to see it at *all* in reality. I haven't met or known a single conservative/Trump voter to change their tune on him and realize they've been wrong. Not one. I've never heard them admit fault in anything they believe, ever. Anything shitty Trump has done/caused they dismiss out of hand and "what about [insert Democrat]." If it's irrefutable, they change the subject. Their views and voting habits remain exactly the same, though.
talomox14
Yep. Lot of words for things that mean absolutely nothing. These people aren't having a "come to Jesus moment" this is just an addict pretending they are going to do better after coming off a high. These people aren't going to stay gone from the cult for long. By time elections come around they will be back full throated support about how Democrats are satanic pedophiles who destroy the country and want to wage forever wars.
nothingunused
I have seen so many screencaps of people saying, "I voted for Trump three times and now I'm upset. I still support Trump, but [his incompetent subordinates/the Democrats/Europeans/etc. etc. etc.] have turned everything to shit." They still don't see the root problem, or at least the figurehead of the root problem.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
Is the movement even actually crumbling? Because I've heard that before.
Telemapus
They don't believe Trump is in the Epstein files, but the failure to prosecute a single person has taken some of the oomph out of MAGA. That, and the apparent zero plan to actually Make America Great Again is also eating away at them. Crumbling is a good word because there's still a solid core, it's just all the edges that are flaking away... because these people are flakes.
GoSibi
The only "evidence" I've seen for it is memes claiming it's happening.
JacaByte
Are the 15-25 point swings to the left in this year's special elections not evidence enough for you?
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
I had a magat try to blame trump on me. Literally said, "trump is your fault because you tried to push so much woke crap. If you didn't, we wouldn't have had to vote trump and we wouldn't be in this mess." 🥴
chiefrunswithscissors
Stephen Fry said it better
https://youtu.be/d5PR5S4xhXQ?si=p6xTD-Nn9RQpRpXR
chiefrunswithscissors
That is partially true. The left uses guilt as their weapon and the right uses hate. Push the guilt too hard and people get tired of feeling it. They would rather hate someone else than be told they have to hate themselves.
MeatPopsicleMultiPass
Oh man, how dreadful that we let the right know they should feel guilty for the decisions we warned them about.
chiefrunswithscissors
That's not what I'm talking about
JacaByte
If that's not it, then what are you talking about? The bar is in fucking hell, I can make you feel guilty about anything at this point, why is it my fault that you feel guilty despite not wanting to?
GonziHere
The left does focus on more fringe issues and gets flack for that. Let's say that being trans is a "sickness" and the only effective solution is to let them be. Ok, I accept that. I have 0 issues with that. But letting them into woman sports and dressing rooms? That's obviously not a solution. And if a party postures like being for that, It does put their rational thinking into question. Trump isn't a solution for that either (I'm from EU btw), but ignoring that will just repeat it in the future
neithermenoryou
Well the thing is being trans isn't a sickness and letting trans women access spaces for women, and let trans men access spaces for men is simply the normal, common sense thing to do. It's not the left's problem that people on the right don't understand the first thing about trans people and instead have to lie about them all the time. Trans people just want to live their life with dignity, and everything that entails, they don't want special treatment.
sirleoiii
The problem is that things like "trans women playing sports" just ... isn't a "fringe issue the left cares about." It's "a fringe issue the right cares about." For the most part "the left" as it exists in the US has more or less taking the stance that we should let individual sports orgs decide their own rules for this.
It's the right wing that keeps bringing it up, that keeps hammering it home. The right found an issue that people like you can't just accept, so they just keep bringing it up.
NotACanadian
Yeah, no way am I reading that wall of text just to read someone's misplaced -- and strategically abysmal -- sense of vindictiveness.
And I can guarantee you that there ARE MAGAts with an ever-increasing sense of "What-have-I-done"itude, but have been Darth Vadered into believing they're in too deep and no one will take them back now.
Bowtie8bit
Fuck them! I would punch them in their fucking faces until they went comatose or worse if I had the opportunity. Every one of them, one at a time. They chose the evil EVERY TIME THEY COULD. THEY ARE EVIL PEOPLE. And evil must be punished. Exterminated.
NotACanadian
Then, I'm sorry to say, this situation will continue and we'll all deserve it because of blind revenge fantasies like this one.
Bowtie8bit
You can't read it but you can cast a judgement on it? You're so fucking ignorant. It's a good read, it's well written, and the emotionnis genuine. If you can be bothered to read it and relate then fuck you too.
Etherealvalentine
It is written really well, indeed!
BonkyMcSignFace
But what if I told you op accidentally uploaded the images twice so it’s actually two walls of text?
NotACanadian
Half that is still too long, can still be boiled down to "nuh uh! I'll NEVER forgive you, imaginary Trumpist! Blaaaaarrrg!", and is still, like @RetrogradeLlama said, mental masturbation.
tReasonoustRump
Right? I was so confused
Skawomplious
We shouldn't take them back. They should be shunned for life, deported to some fascist shithole where they can live out their fantasies and die as miserably as they lived.
charontremble82
But you will. Because you're Americans. You all love a good redemption story. And you tire quick and just would want to move on.
Unless you Americans finally dropped your clinically pathological reliance on optimism and second chances and deal with these gaping holes of abject human misery like they deserve.
syoebiusprime
That is exactly what the article states
chewmaca2
they should all be deported to trumpstien island. I don't care how big it is.
NotACanadian
You're right, I forgot we live in a world where any side can win if they just think really hard about how they hate the other guys. Strategy and logistics be damned.
Chilichunks
"Misplaced" is an interesting and wildly incorrect word choice. Feeling vindictive against MAGA is incredibly valid, don't know why you think it isn't.
iRegretThisUsernameAlready
I would guess because no MAGAt is going to care and writing that sort of rant at them is utterly pointless.
Chilichunks
Not quite worthless. Knowing a lot of people don't like them and think they're monsters don't sit well with them. Will it make them change? Absolutely not. But it makes them uncomfortable which is another chink in their room temperature IQ armor.
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
You can't read a few pages? That's kinda sad dude. It's pretty good. You might not agree when you're finished, but giving up because it's longer than a paragraph is pretty pathetic.
hyperchondriac
I read the whole thing and it's honestly a rant that can easily be summarized by the section headers. And I don't know who it's for, because no MAGA is going to read this even though the author's voice is directed at them. I suppose the point is to convince some bystander that this isn't the time for forgiveness... but who's still that clueless by now?
Sometimes you don't really need to read the whole thing, once you see where it's going.
RetrogradeLlama
Dude: I guarantee I read faster than you and that I read more than you. That doesn’t mean I need to read this endless essay.
arewenotkingsandqueenstogether
Are you challenging me to a read-off? https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1c3plYjhwenRwY3M0aHVlbnRjeTJ0YWJqM21nYmR6ZXVycWhjd3gyZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/YxiZYZCLoGa2c/200w.webp
RetrogradeLlama
Not the point. The point is that it’s not worth reading.
jamiedBreaker
Doesn't tl;dr imply that the person saying it read the article and is helping you to avoid going through the effort? Genuinely asking
TheFunGuyinOz
No. Tl;Dr means one couldn't be interested enough to read the small print. Welcome to the modern world
doughnutz
You've got half of the way people use it. They use it both ways. If you say tl;dr and then just start talking, you might be saying your own stuff and not necessarily a summary for other readers. If you say tl;dr: with the colon after it, then hopefully you are summarizing for other readers. Or you might just say, "The tl;dr is...." And go on to summarize for others.
Caughtintheconcentricelipsesofchaosanditsinnatemadness
TL;DR = too long, didn't read
jamiedBreaker
Oh okay, I thought it was "too long; don't read"