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People seem really determined to bury this thing, and I don't understand why. It's a fun superhero movie with some good laughs, a couple surprises, cool stuff happens. Not as grim as MoM, no awful MODOK CGI, kind of exactly what I've been hoping for, but I get the impression if I tell anyone to give it a chance I'm gonna get run out of town.
shepahrdjhon
I LOVED it actually but I admit I am hugely biased because it has not only a Pakistani American hero but also her family, and played by actual Pakistanis. I loved the random Urdu thrown in and her brother praying in one scene in front of Nick Fury during a crash. And this coming at a time with rising Islamophobia (and antisemitism) makes it even more important.
UprootedGrunt
I haven't managed to make it there yet, but I intend to. And I fully expect I will enjoy the experience.
skarreslave350
I liked it too. Glad I saw it and the haters can sit on a tack.
GuggelPlayer
There is valid criticism towards the movie but it gets buried under "wahmen bad!" and everyone has bad time after it
Molvanian
I think you are welcome to like what you like, but I strongly disagree.
ALLCAPSROCK
I liked John Carter of Mars.
lackinglife
I think it's just exhaustion. They put out so much for this expanded universe that you need to watch to get the full story and they've let the quality slip. So even if it's a good entry a lot of people just don't care anymore.
GorillaPowers
I enjoyed it. It was fun and Ms. Marvel killed it. Iman is perfe t in the role
nccomputermechanics4
Marvel has lost most of what it's appeal was, to me. There trying way too hard at this point and it feels like the plots are forced, maybe it's the directing or a combination of that and the new actors not delivering. It's hard to say. But I do know I'm not excited for any of it anymore. I've enjoyed the TV shows allot but nothing that's gone to theaters except guardians 3 and Spider-Man.
CitrusyGarlic
Captain Marvel's character isn't very interesting to me because she's too powerful to ever be in a believable amount of danger. I know I have to suspend all sorts of beliefs to make the movie understandable, but whenever she's threatened, all she has to do is get all angry and grunty and magically she pulls more power out of herself and voila, problem solved. Just gets really old, really fast IMO
EroticZombiePants
The past year or two of ticket sales compared to expectations shows people was just tired of superhero movies.
Fastjack2056
Yeah, cause Guardians 3 and Spiderverse 2 barely broke even...oh, hang on, looks like they made tons of money. Sorry, don't know what to tell you...
PrincessAris
The movie was great. Ms. Marvel is my favourite character, and I'm totally unafraid to say it. I can't wait to see Champions or Young Avengers or wherever they're going with this. Kamala, Kate, and Cassie? Yes please!
Rovylern
Hell to the yes! Not to mention Eli Bradley (grandson of Isiah Bradley, the black Korean War era super soldier from Falcon and the Winter Soldier), America Chavez, Hulkling, Kid Loki, and Wanda's sons (Speed and Wiccan) have all been introduced and could be brought in... Oh, and the kid from Iron Man 3 could become Iron Lad. He was at Tony's funeral, after all. Additionally, I REALLY enjoyed The Marvels. It's a shame that people suck.
OriginalAndWitty
I guess there's a good bit of back story and MCU shows to watch to really get what's going on or no? Honestly sounds like a lot of effort just to really enjoy a movie. I think the MCU is getting so deep in lore it's a become a pain to try to keep up with it al.
Fastjack2056
It's a direct sequel to "Captain Marvel" and "Ms. Marvel", but they recap enough that that's probably not even required. They basically name-check Wandavision, but it's not particularly relevant. If you've already seen those three, you're ready for the film
Mokisan
You can enjoy it just as-is.There's probably more to "get" if you've seen everything else, but it isn't required.
bladderinfection
The genre is tired, hence the weak ticket sales = no big deal. The hate coming from the anti-woke = they can go fuck themselves. Enjoy your movie my friend.
Turkleturts
The genre wouldn't be tired if they released a good movie. People are still interested in superheros, they just don't want to see the same generic CGI crapfest that both Marvel and DC have been putting out. If they actually tried something new, took some risk, and made a quality film with a <$100m budget people would rush to see it.
BohabRex
I liked it
PineappleLoopsBroether
Good. I turn away haters just by saying “I’m here to like things and be happy”
just4thelolz
Haven't seen The Marvels, but I did enjoy She-Hulk, so I feel like I have to support you on principle here.
GravyEducation
She Hulk didn't get the appreciation it deserved, I laughed real hard at some of the 4th wall stuff.
IKillButerflies
I want to see it just because I really enjoyed the character they portrayed in Ms. Marvel. High energy and super silly with interesting visuals for Kamala's thoughts
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
For She-Hulk, I'm still going back and forth whether I think the ending twist was unique in a fun way or if it just heavy handed and weird. I'm not sure what I think about it, but I have to admit I still am thinking about it. So that's something.
JohnnySilverballs
I can't wait until it comes to Disney+. I really don't vibe with going to theaters anymore but I ALWAYS watch the new MCU stuff the day it hits D+.
CoarseAndSalty
Marvels has some Panaramic stuff that may not look great on TV but ultimately it's not about alien planets so it should be just as good streaming.
GravyEducation
Whatever the box office is, once they get their streaming numbers, they'll find more people watching. Marvel is kind of prime for streaming. People are willing to wait on super hero movies right now. So until the next big big one comes out, I don't know their plans I know they post their titles in advance but Idc to look that far ahead, I would expect tepid sales at theaters while people pick up subs, especially as they continue releasing shows.
Turkleturts
I'm not convinced. You have a movie featuring a character from the show with the lowest viewership of the disney starwars/marvel shows. They would need to increase subs by a significant amount or sell a lot of digital copies of the movie to come even close to breaking even, and I honestly don't see Marvels doing that. There's a reason Disney execs have been advising staff to "skate quickly over thin ice".
Smurfneblin
IamtheAIyoushouldfear
I plan on seeing it, as long as it's better than eternals, I'll be happy.
MentionSignificant
Eternals talked trash about their coworkers and then face planted. I'm glad it's essentially been ignored, there's no good way to integrate anything that happened into the wider continuity.
emptyother
Much better.
srsfaceI8C
I think it's the most fun movie in the MCU post end-game. GotG3 was a better movie, but in terms of just like having a good time and having fun, The Marvel's was pretty good.
MerlintheRogue
GOG3 was good. Definitely not light hearted and fun though.
Boxingjedi
you are so lucky! ...and there were things in Eternals I liked
IamtheAIyoushouldfear
Same, it just opened so many threads that didn't seem to go anywhere.
Scaper1812
I thoroughly enjoyed it, it's a great popcorn flick. Some great action, plenty of jokes, surprising amount of silliness, overall a great fun movie. The Eternals was a waste of time and resources, no point bringing in a 10 member team with very little introduction, killing half of them, or having them just do nothing for the entire movie. And having no real tie in or impact on the MCU as a whole for the immediate future.
mydisciplesarelegion
I don’t quite buy the Marvel fatigue argument. If you are fatigued by or over something you ignore it, avoid it or just don’t acknowledge it. You don’t spend day after day on the internet rage quitting in every forum and article comment section you can find.
captainalphabet
A lot of frustration is that studios keep cranking out superhero stuff instead of trying new ideas. There are only so many big movie slots every year and Marvel is getting old. Plus they spend so much on ads that their fucking releases appear everywhere for weeks on end. I grew up on comics and mostly dig these movies but even I'm a bit over it at this point.
Givemeyourworst
Well, Marvel Studios isnt gonna come up with much further than superhero tropes, hero origin, hero roads or hero adjacent. They specialize in that subject and perhaps thats a good thing. But to expect them to make different is something they wont deliver.
Nykidemus
I wouldnt even know the film existed if not for this thread. I dont seek out that content, but sometimes it shows up where I am "¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
CatEyebrows
Good point. There is a huge difference between indifference and hate
IsolatedAsshole
I think it's both. The people fatigued aren't the ones raging online about it. It's incel rage + apathy.
haggerton
People aren't tired of them existing, they are tired of them not being good. Just like how people wanted better Star Wars sequels.
thesmelge
Yeah, except when they've decided it's not good before it's even released. That's not a valid criticism, that's just trying to cover for bias.
burentsu
Honestly I thought it was good too it had a couple flaws story wise here and there but with the strikes I was willing to let those slide. Also the girl they got playing Ms. Marvel is adorable.
DeityFalkor
I also enjoyed it. I think one of the biggest problems it has is poor marketing. We didn't know it came out this weekend until like Thursday.
barstr7
I saw no tv or internet ads for it at all. I didn’t know it came out either.
CoqRoq
I heard that was due to the writers/actors strike. IiRC they were not allowed to promote the film due to striking and contractual limitations.
Wasnbo
I loved The Marvels, it was a breath of fresh, well-written air after the last couple years of MCU offerings. Not too serious (GotG3), (1/3)
Wasnbo
not too silly (Thor L&T), not too long (pick one), good tight pacing (again, pick one), Kamala Khan is adorable, Brie got to EMOTE. (2/3)
Wasnbo
Just a solidly good movie in its own rights, just like the first couple phases.
devo27
Please stop running. :D
KillingTlme
I really enjoyed the Blue Beetle movie.
3nd3rwiggin
Oh, you are the one. Ha Ha, I am looking forward to watching it once it is streaming.
shepahrdjhon
I loved it too. I am not Latino but I am south asian and I loved how much Blue Beetle focused on the family and cultural aspects. When most movies feature Latino characters they are either carcatures or basically white. Blue Beetle doesnt do that. Its a shame white audience dont seem to get that this is the first for many brown people seeing themselves in these kinds of roles.
JohnnySilverballs
As a MAJOR comic book fan, I definitely can't wait to watch it when it hits Max on Friday!
mrbadxampl
I enjoyed Last Jedi, and I refuse to let the internet tell me what movies I can and can't enjoy
overflowin2718
This is the way.
giveittomestraightlikeapearcidermadefrom100percentpears
I concur.. Me and my friends had by far the most in depth discussion about The Last Jedi, compared with the two films either side of it.. It's just a shame that the seeds they planted in LJ, just withered and died.. Plus... It has my favourite actress in, Laura Dern. That made it's score go up by 2146 imaginary-film-scoring points.
paintingagency
I didn't think it was fantastic but I didn't regret watching it. It's space wizards not Citizen Kane.
BullittGT
I even liked Jar Jar
WhatFuckingNameIsntTaken
I liked the new movies, sure they weren’t what die hard fans were wanting, but I thought they were fun, and the visuals were great.
AnarchySong
I just really hated how half of the movie was dedicated to some random casino on another planet plot that never actually had any relevance to anything. Felt like most of the movie was just padding. It also blew its load too early with the best scene in any of the new movies where Kylo Ren kills Snoke.
Hevach
The biggest thing wrong with The Last Jedi was Rise of The Skywalker faceplanting the payoff. Empire Strikes Back got the worst box office and worst reviews of the original trilogy, but is widely considered the best now. The second movie of a trilogy needs the third to realize its potential, and The Last Jedi didn't get that.
PanderBear
You... I like you.
pareidoliaperson
apLundell
I feel like a lot of made-for-binge-watching TV shows are like that too. They're so strongly serialized that if they don't stick the ending, the whole series is ruined. Even if the early episodes good.
acinonyxjubatus
Not sure how the third movie could really pay off anything - Last Jedi systematically demolishes every plot thread set up by Force Awakens and doesn’t really put any forward itself that could be built upon. Rise of Skywalker was awful, but not really sure what options they had.
Lexgeddon
That's sort of the camp I'm in, too. I know Rian Johnson prefers a very firm, often unsubtle approach to deconstructing and subverting genre tropes, but that makes him sort of a bad choice for a tentpole franchise release. I doubt he was actually hostile to what Star Wars was - you don't become a good filmmaker without liking films, even the broad crowd-pleasers - but it definitely SEEMED hostile.
NomadFeetWanderingToes
I really enjoyed the dynamic between Luke and Rey, and I liked the new characters, but man, the sequel trilogy as a whole was so poorly conceived. I hated that the First Order "just exists" with little to no back story (at the time sp 7 came out) and basically NOTHING from the OT mattered or was consequential. It felt like a shitty reboot rather than a continuation.
qtRaven
That's exactly what it was. A 'soft reboot.'
Marsupialmessiah
Somehow Palpatine returned" like wtf
RayneOfSalt
That was lifted directly from the Dark Empire comic series.
Gwenx
I try to enjoy movies no matter what other people tell me to to do.. I havent watched the original Star Wars but i went with my inlaws to the movies and enjoyed the new ones somewhat, and i was chewed out for not feeling it was a waste of time and money...
I felt like crap, to be honest, and i told my partner i didnt wanna watch movies with his mom and brother again as they where too negative and sour, it happened anways a few times but he does agree with me, their negative opinions dosent help
Gwenx
I go watch movies i think ill like and i often come out feeling great, bc i don't go in with expectations.
Some movies fall flat to me, but i never feel like they where a waste of money or time, bc i felt like that all the time why ever try again?
Go watch movies with a posetive mind, and turn away when it gets bad, annoying or flat.
I don't watch Marvel anymore, havent in a couple of years, i felt they got boring so i turned my back to them and watched other movies
IKillButerflies
It was fantastic! My favorite of the new trilogy. It brought a bunch of new ideas to the movie universe and answered the questions of the 1st movie in interesting ways. All ep 9 had to do was run with those concepts and setups and it could have done something NEW with Star Wars. Instead, Mr. Mystery Box broke the first rule of improv and churned out a toothless wet fart of a finale
FractalChainsaw
When JJ Abrams makes a movie he tangles up a ball of yarn and tells the audience to untangle it on their own. This is a valid form of filmmaking, I'm not trashing it on its own. But then the studio handed Rian Johnson that tangle and told him to knit a sweater. He did, and it was a pretty good sweater. But then some fans said it sucks because they wanted socks. The studio sided with those fans and took scissors to the sweater but the scraps left over just wasn't enough to re-knit into socks.
IKillButerflies
Ya know, even ignoring that and every bit of 'no, that didn't happen' the finale had no idea what it wanted to do. Let's kill Chewie as a great character moment for Rey... nevermind. Let's wipe C3PO... nevermind. Here's a new faction that's super interesting! Let's never explore that! And so on for over 2 hours
FractalChainsaw
JJ clearly took a long time *looking* at Star Wars stuff to see what all of the moving parts were. He just never seemed to understand *why* those parts worked. So his movies felt soulless to me. Rian Johnson seemed like he understood the myth of it all and he had something to say about it. But that's also why it was more divisive: It made a statement. JJ just did what Disney's focus groups told him to do, with his Mystery Box veneer.
IKillButerflies
To prove your point, Rey coming from nothing was more in line with episode 4's message, where a backwoods hick and a 2-bit smuggler rise above and save the day. Rey being nobody gives her choice to be selfless more weight. Even when we learn about Luke's lineage, it's to build character drama as he's pulled between duty and family. Rey... it's about info dump. It's about explaining why she's so strong and not building to a Vader saving his son kinda moment
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Same, brother. I loved 85% of that movie (I still skip the Canto Bight part and Benicio del Toro's crap), but the rest was a solid flick. The move has its problems for sure, but the real problem is the fanbase. The whole throughline of the film is to buck the illusions of the past to get to the truth of things. Luke tore off and shattered Rey's rose colored glasses about the legacy of the Jedi, and Leia did much the same to Poe and his "rebel without a brain" attitude. As longtime Star Wars-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
fans, we were taught to root for the rebels, that the Jedi were superheroes, and that stark individualism will win the day every time, but those were always lies. The one thing that the Jedi (and by extension the fans) never understood was that Anakin did indeed bring balance to the Force. He wiped out an order that had since lost its purpose. The Jedi no longer defended the weak. They were soldiers in a war, serving corrupt masters, not the Force itself. And Anakin put an end to that, and Luke-
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
balanced him back out by becoming the light to counter his darkness, then re-centering on grey after realizing his own failures.
XeononSolomon
2/3 of it was a good movie and if you liked 3/3s of it good for you we all have different opinions and yours is no less wrong than mine.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
The Finn subplot?
XeononSolomon
The Poe plot was really dumb to me. I softened on the Finn plot over the years.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Really? Kinda surprising.
TheJossiWales
People enjoyed the CGI and the space stuff. Die hard fans hated the lore implications.
NomadFeetWanderingToes
Bingo. Or lack of implications, IMO. My gripe with the whole sequel trilogy is that it seemed like nothing from the OT mattered, really. "Hey look it's the Empire 2.0 but don't ask how or why we got here, OK?! Just enjoy the laser swords and emo Darth Vader simp and give us all your money!" The whole thing felt like a poorly thought out reboot with the OT characters shoehorn'd in for fan service.
allenvasher3000
My biggest problem is that for the most part the MCU is down to characters that couldn't sustain their own comic titles, ie b-level heroes
INeverWaitForIt
I'm not sure the problem is the b-level heroes. Young Justice shows that with good writing, even C and D level heroes and villains can be interesting. It's just that Disney treats every Marvel movie as having to be a bigger, better spectacle than the last, while shoving it into an upcoming Avengers movie and overarching world, when sometimes something small, intimate, and self-contained would be better.
Account3577
So were a lot of the original crop of heroes, Marvel didn't have the film rights to their most popular characters when they started making movies.
GravyEducation
The ones that aren't are rights issues and we know how annoying that is. Fans don't care they just want to see it done and done well. So we're down to X-men, any of the Defenders (just recast except Iron Fist pls), the curse of the FF (Krasinski is a strong hope there though), other "cursed" movie characters like Ghost Rider, and other various titles to reboot from old incarnations like Blade. There's still stuff in the barrel for the A material. Barrel B could also yield if they do it right.
DesignINcase
I think B level is great for films. A few good stories to adapt/create. In contrast Iron Man dies before they barely did any of his stories. But the folks they picked are iffy without a Avengers team up to get you invested.
Legrooveth
I mean, Ms Marvel is a pretty big deal in the comics, but changing her powers for the show derailed that a bit.
murderhobbit
Well-- each of these characters definitely has held their own books.
paintingagency
And they still skipped Squirrel Girl!
GravyEducation
Squirrel Girl belongs in Deadpool 3
akodorokku
I mean, Iron Man was B-level before the movie.
SometimesISayHistoryStuff
See that's not a problem for me, as I tend to think some of the best heroes are b-level. They get more leeway to do unique things, and hell, I think the best Marvel trilogy is GotG by a fair margin, and I know about 1 person who actually read those comics in real life before the first movie came out. What matters to me is if the writers and directors can sell me on a character and their story. But a lot of Marvel seems to be trying to sell me on the next Marvel movie.
SweatyNuts
I'm with you. I just don't care about these characters enough to see their movies.
allenvasher3000
Yeah they should just reboot & this time have mutants from the beginning
emptyother
Reboot after reboot, barely get to know the world before another Thomas and Martha Wayne dies, thats DC for ya. No thanks. I love Marvel because they take both the bad and the good as canon and just continues the plot.
SweatyNuts
They'd probably just chalk it up to the multiverse. Like "it's not a reboot, it's just an alternate reality."
4vie
Not to contradict you, but wasn't Iron Man a B-lister before Robert Downey Junior basically supercharged him to... well, A, maybe even S-tier?
darkhalfbreed
Then maybe we are going a step lower than B.
Fastjack2056
Exactly! I remember laughing when it was announced, because I figured I'd be the only guy who cared enough to check it out, and they knocked it out of the park. Pleased to be wrong, but yeah... Iron Man was not a sure thing at all
4vie
They took a huge gamble, and it paid off! For about ten years :P
srsfaceI8C
Literally the entirety of the Avengers were all B-tier. That's why the Avengers comics even started. They threw Iron Man, Ant Man, Thor and Hulk together but each of their individual comic sales were sagging hard at the time and they thought a crossover was needed.
PineappleLoopsBroether
What’s S tier? Is that better than A?
LoopStricken
Above A you have S, then SS, and sometimes even SSS.
PineappleLoopsBroether
I love your username.
LoopStricken
darkhalfbreed
I think it's stands for the Japanese word for "exemplary" it's used for alot of videogames
4vie
"Super" tier, I think. Yes, it's above "A".
imgurmage
Like whatever you want. I and lots of other people are just tired of marvel movies.
AtlasFutureOverthrowsAmerica
Yeah I’m not against anyone liking them. I’m just superhero’d out
echoawoo
Marvel-fatigue.
Imademyselfsquirtle
Watch movies for a movie. Fuck other peoples opinions on what you find joy in movies.
40185
I love marvel movies, but I just don’t like the way things have gone since endgame so I’m less interested. Too much content, no clue how it’s connecting, no clue what movies or shows really matter, and they burned me out
ShadowTeller
could you tell your " lot of other people" that? OR maybe to not go watch it just so they can say they did and it was bad? because the rest of us that just want to brain off at the best of whats out there.. or better out there, and them paying to hate watch or something is giving the studios the wrong idea.
imgurmage
I can't control others actions any more than you can.
SJohnson23
It’s, what, two or three movies a year? We’re allowed to watch other stuff between times.
JiffyGee
There are a lot of marvel movies now. Most good, some bad. I don’t watch every one, only those I find interesting. Haven’t watched anything with the hulk as the main guy. It took me I til last year to watch Endgame (I’m still traumatized).
NoGunsNoCats
Yep.
boomdeboom
Exactly. They turned a good thing, into a bad thing. Disney kinda kills everything…
EroticZombiePants
Apparently, it's the shortest Marvel movie so far. I think this could help.
Maulbert
People are tired of comic book movies, but the hate it's getting isn't from those people.
thedudeman519
Yea its the "Don't consume that content , instead by my book 'Don't consume that content '" I find funny
AbrasiveKrab
I just think it is superhero movies in general, waaaaay over done, and they all follow the same basic formula.
There are other comic book movies that don't have anything to do with superheroes and are enjoyable.
Maulbert
People who are tired of superhero movies don't care enough to go on forums and glorify in it's failure.
PorneliusHubertII
Im tired of them interweaving everything, essentially forcing people to watch shows they dont want to to stay caught up on the ones they do.
Elonth
"i'm tired of marvel movies" okay then don't watch them?
MenloPart
I don't watch them, but I am in grad school. Got to go, bye! :)
imgurmage
I don't.
DarkwingDuc
That's literally the problem. People aren't watching them, not in the numbers Disney/Marvel wants anyway.
EzAl73
Bring back Winter Soldier style Marvel movies. I appreciated the movies more when they had a more serious vibe to them.
figuringeights
Totally understand the marvel fatigue. I mostly stopped watching after endgame. Watched Loki though and enjoyed that very much.
loedout
In addition to being played out, I watched a video a while back detailing how marvel heros are all just defenders of the status quo and I can't unsee it now.
thedudeman519
Skip Intro ?
IronMagnus
I think it suffers from two things:
First the capitalist idea of infinite growth. That everything needs to be bigger and better than what came before. If it's not better than Ragnarok or Endgame, it's trash and not worth seeing. It's okay for some movies to be just good and fun and to advance the overall MCU narrative.
Second, racism and misogyny. So many people are mad that a white man isn't the star, or even in a supporting role.
Turkleturts
Except it's not racism or misogyny. Recent films with PoC cast made big money. Barbie (a film aimed almost entirely at women) made $1.5b. The fact is that neither men nor women are going to see Marvels, and based on the opening week's numbers it will be lucky to break $350m worldwide which will lose Disney somewhere around $150-400m depending on how much they spent on marketing.
iwilldownvoteyourcat
people have to virtue signal and purport that it's racism or misogyny to prove their worth to their group. you can't miss an opportunity in case it turns out to be true and you shouldn't worry if you aren't being accurate in that assumption because you're a "good person" and it's okay for you to be wrong when you have a noble cause.
ItsSirUnimpressive
Also the strike made it so it wasn't able to be hyped up by the cast. I honestly forgot about it until it released.
GravyEducation
Right? I totally get Marvel burnout. I'm a die hard and even I haven't seen them all (Eternals doesn't interest me) but for every critique to bring in Endgame as when things started going downhill... of course nothings as good as Endgame. Endgame had 10 years of culmination and a prequel that, in my opinion, is the best movie Marvel ever made, that set it up perfectly. A zillion dollar budget. It's okay for a movie to just do its own thing. 1/
HaberdasherInGold
Eternals is skippable, but as someone who didn't enjoy the comic, I did enjoy the film.
GravyEducation
Also other than Sammy J, Captain Marvel deliberately distanced itself by setting it years before any other movie. Well other than the first Cap, but it didn't rely or even want to rely on anything other than its character and a dash of Nick Fury. So I'm just assuming that likewise and at this post Endgame stage, the new movie isn't really going for references or cameos. Just, here's some more of these three characters if you liked them in their series/movies
SuperSaiyanYamcha
I’m more annoyed that they gave Ms Marvel a watered down version of Captain Marvel’s powers rather than her own unique (to the MCU) power set.
HaberdasherInGold
I haven't seen the movie yet, but I enjoyed how they did her powers in the show. To be perfectly fair, though, I hate stretchy powers and love hardlight powers, so it was the ideal change for me specifically.
Maulbert
It was fine. It was entertaining but forgettable. The hate it's getting is from misogynistic incels, not worth paying attention to.
PineappleLoopsBroether
Absolutely. I don’t care if they even make a good point about how they used a bunch of tricky writing mechanisms. “I am going to a movie to escape reality and smile”
ItsSirUnimpressive
Don't forget that 66% of the main cast are PoC!
Turkleturts
Or it's just objectively a bad movie. Poor script, poor disjointed story, poor characters (two of which are virtual unknowns), poor acting, it had 25% of its run time removed, required multiple re-shoots, and became a bloated $320million mess set to lose ~$400m if current trends continue. For what it's worth, I also think almost all the other marvel/dc/disney movies have been hot garbage with the exception of a small few.
whatspaulplayingtoday
Yup. It's the same reason they hated on Captain Marvel.
jayman0123
Yep "boo strong woman bad!"
wazeewa
I wasn't a fan of Captain Marvel. It was "meh" in my books. Just tired of Marvel movies.
whatspaulplayingtoday
Yeah, totally fair. The reasoning I'm not fond of is the "strong woman bad" BS that people were upset about when it first came out.
DTNemes
Don't you think that's an easy way to dismiss critique? "If you don't like it, you must hate women" - type of defense.
Maulbert
No, I didn't say it was great. In fact, I said it was okay. That's 5, maybe 6 out of 10. The movie has fundamental flaws, and genuine criticism reflects this. The actual HATE, 4 letter word HATE, is coming from misogynistic assholes. You can not like a movie and complain about it's genuine issues without hating the film. There's nothing in it worth generating a violently hateful reaction unless you're a racist or misogynist.
halcat
I think the incoherence of the vitriol kinda speaks for itself. It's not a dismissal of critique if all the critique is composed of is foaming at the mouth.
DTNemes
I must admit I haven't read anything about it. It hasn't been covered in the news outlets I follow.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
What if it's true though? You can't say it because it's dismissive?
DTNemes
Well that goes both ways, doesn't it, what if it's not true? It just strike me as odd that it's instantly goes to the flinging of buzzwords at the slightest critique.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I don't think assuming it's wrong just because it's a "buzzword" is necessarily the right take, either. There has been a *lot* of misogynistic hate thrown at women in "men's" movies and games. I don't know if that's the case for this specific one, as this is the first I've even heard of this movie, but I certainly remember it from the first Captain Marvel movie, so I wouldn't be shocked if it were happening again.
DTNemes
Maybe it's just a cultural thing, I'm European. I do however find poorly written female characters are singled out more so than their male counterpart.
apLundell
The film can also be critiqued on its merits, but that doesn't change the fact about where most of the vocal hate is coming from.
CoBr2
I would re-phrase that as the MOST VOCAL hate. There's plenty of vocal "this movie is meh and marvel fatigue is real" hate out there. Although I suppose that's more vocal apathy? Regardless, the loudest people are definitely the misogynists, I just don't think they're the most numerous.
Givemeyourworst
You can critique it all you want. Let us hear the critique. The op said they liked it. You feel you didnt, so say why not if you care that much.
But if your first argument is how Disney keeps pushing woke agendas, then Im gonna dismiss it as incel hatespeech.
DTNemes
I haven't seen it. I questioned the commenters stance of not liking the movie equals hate women.
Scoutikins
I still think they should do a proper Scarlet Witch movie.. to me thats one of their most complicated characters and you can do a loooot with the material
shepahrdjhon
How did you like her in XMen Evolution?
acinonyxjubatus
She’s sorta crazy, evil and dead right now, right? They’d have to grab a multiverse alternaWanda.
Fastjack2056
I quite liked Wandavision, wish they'd given "Multiverse of Madness" a chance to adapt that version of Wanda instead of rushing it. Also, you might check out "Marvel's Midnight Suns" on Steam, if you like the intersection of Superheroes and Witchy Sh*t. Kind of a great time, IMO, and Wanda is a Pretty Big Deal
Scoutikins
Will do! Thanks for the info!
GravyEducation
Mishandling of Wanda, she should have been a tenuous ally with Strange against a bigger threat, wherein they could have more moral debates about their actions and goals in a multiverse. The line "you break the rules and you're a hero, I break the rules and I'm a villain, how's that fair?" Would have been way more powerful coming from a friend than an enemy. And it would have lent more to the Illuminati scene where Strange is confronted with his darker potential, like she did. But nope
darkhalfbreed
Yeah they left too much of a gap in her character arch after making such an effort to flesh her out. Kind of a dick move to finish her story in another character's story like that.