itisafunnystoryifyouignorethetragicelementsandthesenseofdoom
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Sep 1, 2022 3:57 AM
itisafunnystoryifyouignorethetragicelementsandthesenseofdoom
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T3sl4co1l
Don't be like bromine. That shit is uncivilized af.
KungFuTreacheryQ
Willem Dafoe's gramma was on to something
Nachtigallgesang
The word civilization is misleading in this context and is defined more in terms of anthropology than zoology.
vorodar
To br on not to br?
slotheroll
VictusVonGuyver
*Meanwhile Creationists* "No, God did that. Medicine isn't real... Well except Viagra."
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
A more cynical take is that the first sign of civilization is the presence of locks. As this indicates we've stated organizing into 1/2
pleaseconsiderthatImightbejoking
communities larger then our personal social circles. 2/2
LazyBear68
I'm pretty sure there are some animals helping each other when injured, though. Maybe not to the point of healing a broken leg idk...
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Heyennas will, and several other animals. It's a stupid argument.
hydrocarbon82
Republicans: Oh, you broke your leg? Time to pull harder on your bootstraps...
semperknight
Wrong. Archeologist found an ancient temple dated 10k yrs old. This is such a big deal, Kurzgesagt tried to make this the new date for H.E.
semperknight
or Human Era. A temple means they built permeant housing around it. THAT'S civilization.
AlbyKool
I'm pretty sure there is evidence of hominid ancestors taking care of hurt and disabled family into old age.
AlbyKool
Trey the explainer has a good video on the topic https://youtu.be/t7J_oybRfuc
PirateArrrgument
This in a nutshell is why America, and capitalism, are uncivilized and barbaric.
Hmietti
The opposite of russia.
TheGiantIdiotTeddyBear
But I do know that if Margaret Mead smoked grass........... SHE'D HAVE ONE HELL OF A TRIP!!!!!!
Idontneedrealfacts
but her emails!
withthatattitude
The US needs to follow suit but we are far gone
88wut
Wolverine healing powers
DisabledParadox
"In the animal kingdom, you break your leg, you die". Not sure if it's that straight-forward. Maybe ask a biologist.
Kuvajainen
It's an analogous oversimplification for most cases. Something what you use when explaining complex things to non-scientist audience.
DisabledParadox
Sure, but it makes it a bad marker for "civilization" then. In fact the concept of "civilization" is probably pretty useless. All social /1
DisabledParadox
animals "help others through difficulty" by sharing resources, protecting each other, etc.
WeaponizedJerk
That sounds like a big fat lie to me. Way too general to even be considered a fact.
Tyrann01
It's generally true for predators. Especially lone hunters.
CambridgeVeterinary
I'm a wildlife vet. For quadrupedal species there's a chance of survival. For birds too. But for a big bipedal mammal? Not a hope.
Gaelwyn
Must be why the Bigfoot population is endangered.
cyno01
Didnt Sue the tyrannosaurus have a healed broken leg?
JesaraB
Originally believed, but no fracture, it had however had an infection that made one legbone twice as thick as the other. Also had tons of
JesaraB
other healed bones and other long-term injuries (ribs, shoulder, spine, etc)
SchoolSupernintendo
Might not have been Mead who said it but still nice idea: https://www.truthorfiction.com/margaret-mead-femur-quote/
youreathing
"Use the Force, Harry" - Gandalf.
sweetnaivety
Also I'm pretty sure there's several pack animals that will tend their wounded and bring them food and stuff?
Tyrann01
There is even fossil evidence of it in Allosaurus. So yeah, it's been a thing in animals for a while.
investigacion360
Thank you, been trying to prove or debunk that quote for a long time. Byok is an ass.
EtEllerAndet
By that definition the USA is not a civilisation since it does not provide healthcare.
MiniMegaOfParagonCity
Helping those in need is where civilization starts; refusing to help those in need is how civilization ends.
coreyog
Cool story, probably just a story though: https://www.sapiens.org/culture/margaret-mead-femur/
luluraeven
Laughs in American Healthcare
TheeKeelhaul
It's one thing to have to pay for it but, after paying for it, you then have to fight to use it. O.o So, yeah, incredibly broken.
SergeyPrkl
Laughs in a hospital bed, cancer treated successfully, no fees, in a Nordic country.
procrastinatingagain
We need to fix so much in our culture
Bollramm
Burn it down, start anew.
hopesolosbutth0le
let's start with the title and go from there
PBJbleh
Like mindless worship of the wealthy, we’re saying that buying governments and exploiting the poor is ok as long as you can have a yacht
todaytomorrowwillbeyesterday
like an alcoholic, one has to admit the problem, before healing takes place...... "We're not going to make it, are we"..........
Yellowdart49
What would you like to fix first if you could?
RedWingedBlackbirds
That 'rape' & 'the n word' would become obsolete so completely that generations wouldn't have heard of them or have any idea what they mean
HelloMax
Every person attempting to enter politics should be required to have a powerful dose of psychedelics.
Idonotkillpeoplethatismyleastfavoritethingtodo
Absolutely but lets not forget how many broken femurs we have waited out for each other and do every day. There is a lot of good in theworld
DeeDoubleYu
100% agree :)
ThorGodOfHammerz
Got it. I’ll start by breaking as many legs as possible.
cryborg
It has a broken femur.
Tenookey
If humanity were a racehorse, we'd be glue by now
SerialChickenLover
And no insurance
NZSheeps
MythIncarnate
Sad, but pragmatic - a horse with a broken leg won't ever heal properly. Best you could do is an amputation, and that wouldn't go well.
cryborg
Gary Larson had a brutal sense of humerus.
Mikadomea
This reminds me of that Sketch from Scrubs where JD dreams about being in a Horse Hospital.
boozer69r
Question from audience: could anthropologist Margaret Mead's strange behavior of late be explained by a private marijuana addiction?
Daevram1123
This is why orks are not a Civilization.
WarlockSniper
Da Orks need no stinkin' 'umie civiluzasjun! Wez da biggest an da strongest! Any grot knows dat! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
chr1spybeefpls
WAAAAAaaat?
Bacxaber
*WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
StanielRonathan
Orks are in for a good time, not a long time
IronicDancing
Depends on the IP. Elder Scrolls Orcs absolutely are.
Zeterai
Yeah because they're green god damned elves in the Elder Scrolls.
OhNoDontTouch
orcs in LOTR are also a subset of elves
Bacxaber
He said "orks", that's a specific IP.
IronicDancing
They're spelt like that in a few IPs.
Bacxaber
Such as? Plus, nobody cares about those IPs. We all know orks are 40k.
IronicDancing
Spoken like a man who doesn't read books. ?
Eldibs
Yep. Any single human can make and use tools. Civilization is cooperation.
WeaponizedJerk
Cooperation has absolutely been witnessed in the animal kingdom, would you call them civilised?
Eldibs
Are they cooperating long term? Then I would call them more civilized than animals that don't. No reason it has to be a binary metric.
WeaponizedJerk
What does "long term" even mean here. A cooperation to achieve a goal set many months ago or something that isn't just a one off?
Eldibs
That's the problem with character limits. It's difficult to have a discussion of a complex topic with any sort of nuance.
WeaponizedJerk
Aye, I definitely agree with you there. They really need to lift that needless restriction already.
Crawmak
The fact that people act like the world is still "survival of the fittest" is absolutely batshit insane.
alaest0r
Same people that spout "alpha male" bs without realizing actual alpha wolves behave to the contrary of what they preach
sumyoungguy4
Sigma deez
tinyfootprints
1/ It's important to consider the meaning of "fittest" in terms of our current environment. In our society, while even the unfit are likely>
tinyfootprints
2/ to survive, the most fit will flourish. In this context, "fitness" could mean intelligence, inheritance, money, education, lots of stuff.
Crawmak
Wealth is what I see people using it with. We have enough resources for everyone to flourish, but it's all hoarded by a few. But because 1/?
Crawmak
The ultra rich have all the resources they're suddenly the "fittest" who are more deserving to live, and the rest of us just 2/3
Crawmak
"Aren't trying hard enough" or some shit. It's mostly Musk and Bezos fanboys who I see saying this though. 3/3
jmacg
“Survival of the fittest” is still a thing, but we are a social species. Our “fitness” is based on our ability to cooperate.
TheYoungerChrisEvans
It's why humans aren't apex predators on our own. Throw Kevin into the jungle and see how he does against native species. We're a
TheYoungerChrisEvans
terrifying species because we're (mostly) smart and crafty by working together.
AntRam95
Wasn’t “survival of the fittest” made up by the nazis as one of the things they used to justify their bullshit?
Hammerwell
No. Contrary to popular belief they're not responsible for anything in the world we don't like. Herbert Spencer coined the term in the 1860s
raminagrobis
In History class they tried to teach us how the law of the strongest is barbaric and the law of free market is so much better. I always
raminagrobis
thought it was kind of the same thing. The strongest wins the market and nobody else can say anything. Economic war replaces physical war
raminagrobis
but it's the same basic principle.
LarvaLamp
I'm guessing they boiled that down to "brains over brawn."
CrazedDrifter
And "survival of the fittest" doesn't mean what most people think. It's really "best suited for survival", not strongest. >
Lintheman
Biologist here: Indeed. Also, in science we prefer the term natural selection for survival - and fitness is a term for reproductive success.
Gaelwyn
Fittest actually just means whoever procreates the most before they die.
CrazedDrifter
> We're best suited for survival by working together.
dobroweigh
Also, a species must survive, not an individual. The objectives are related but in a complex manner.
fartalert
"what are you gonna do, fuck yourself?"
Youhavinagiraffe
Yes. A snail and a cheetah are both just as fit evolutionarily (actually snails are probably fitter since cheetahs are a threatened species)
leperoutcastunclean
Alright, who let you out? Get back in the tungsten sphere.
BeautifulThighs
Too late, oh lawd is he comin