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This is getting out of hand..
Sep 5, 2017 10:45 PM
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skribs
Do we not teach supply and demand in schools anymore?
pleonidas
Good thing there are ample choices in the airline industry so you can stick it to them by choosing other airlines, oh wait.
KoteTheInnkeeper
no one is going to miami. But you want them to send empty planes(no revenue) to miami so people can take them away for the same price..
JipofElk
I just checked flights - £73 - that isn't excessive.
everythingHurts2
I'm overseas with no bag thanks to Delta. Every employee I've spoken with doesn't give a shit. Same clothes, day 5
everythingHurts2
Not related to the original post, but I hear the word 'Delta' and I need to vent
JamiesEPIRB
There's more to this story, she called Delta & got a cheaper fare. @OP you should report the full story, not just parts.
Felman
That would require reading something besides random pics on the internet.
minepagan
iamlolafromsharktales
She probably called them after ok
JamiesEPIRB
She called them after, then reported that delta gave her a good deal, & then a couple hours later this post was originally made here.
areibold
SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS NORMAL MOTHER FUCKERS. IF THERE WERE NO EMERGENCY PRICES WOULD BE SAME. SAME WITH THE WATER GUYS.
theincrediblebullshittingman
WHY ARE WE YELLING
areibold
WE HAVE DEVOLVED AND ITS THE ONLY WAY TO GET PEOPLE TO HEAT YOU
Skizmo
This is what you get when you don't want the goverment to control things. You reap what you sow.
ryanvandam69
Yeah, look at the rail system in the UK....
lovanth
She has an updated tweet that says they took care of the problem.
JustANoobOnImgurWithOneCat
I'm just going to leave this here:
iamlolafromsharktales
A screenshot from those baiting specials I see? Clever...not
JustANoobOnImgurWithOneCat
Actually, that was directly from their website's flight search. The 7th is now sold out, but 8th is $321.
icookfoodandfightfire
this^ they use an automated system based on supply/demand that determines price, they adjusted the prices back once they skyrocketed
SoThenThisAssholeSaid
Has anyone actually vetted This? Or have we learned nothing in the last year?
ParanoidWithGoodCause
uh-oh she's talking about jacking and airplanes at the same time, someone better alert homeland security
TheGreatAndPowerfulSage
Re Jacking... the Mile High Solo Club?
dhulqarnayn
While certainly illegal, I don't think *that* is one of DHS's primary concerns ...
DixonHillPrivateEye
TS muthafuckin A. Because we handle shit.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
letting people be fondled by the mentally challenged since 2001!
cuddlydingo
And it's not the good kind of lubed-up-TSA-private-search jacking, either....
ParanoidWithGoodCause
I guess we'll just have to find somewhere else to get felt up by the mentally challenged then :(
SirSage
This guy fucks
Pizzabaconator1
"You can't say bomb on an airplane" "why not? Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb bobomb"
marifromky
I totally want that as I read it. thanks!
Pizzabaconator1
Anytime my friend
Sm9yCg
Put her name on the no-fly list, and she will never have to complain about air ticket prices again. Ever.
ParanoidWithGoodCause
a side note: Waterboarding a Guantanamo Bay sounds like a really nice vacation if you have no idea what ether of those things are
TheGamingBaconator
Good comment. Although this was stolen from a comedian.
SirSage
I got an original one. So, what's the deal with airline food?
EugeneShalit
Its fake news you nerds...
tammyfromthelibrary
Maybe, just maybe, a bunch of people want to leave?
GetHighWithTowlie
Do you work for the same shitty internet PR firm as @Digginsthomas ?
BllackViper
"Because we're Delta Airlines and life is a fucking nightmare"
MaladaptedMedic
You're a little fat girl, aren't you?
GetInLosersWereGonnaDoScience
We're going to frame you for murder!
dunkirk
I-75 to I-10
middleagedman
LilithIsUs
Too soon
Cortezdelanoche
DeadDoggy
a meme before its time
GalacticCrunch
Did Martin Shkreli buy Delta?
DigitalSword
Jesus, I flew from Pennsylvania half way around the fucking world to Australia and my ticket wasn't even HALF that.
ungalin
This is misleading, I just checked prices and they are mostly the same. $338 to lax, $290 to New York.
TaraDactyl1122
I work in a airline call center. Flts from MCO are completely sold out. That's probably the cost of DL first class ticket. All that's left.
apercent
Word of advice:. Avoid Spirit Airlines if you can. Spirit Airlines sucks dick
Nachosloth
They are CHEAP AND SUCK DICK!!!! SIGN ME UP
Genini
But dick sucking sounds like something I would be interested in.
apercent
laurenannika
I have never heard a good thing said about Spirit Airlines
LvAllen
Spirit got ~ 100 people out of Houston, on pretty much the last flight that left.
AgainstMethod
I took my whole family from CA to Houston on Spirit and it was perfectly pleasant and saved us like $200.
CaldariBob
Clearly you aren't a dick owner...
FakePlasticTreehugger
Student here, they're cheap as fuck. If you're broke and don't give a shit about service Spirit is great. Detroit-Boston is $100 round trip.
cousteau
This is called demand and supply and not giving a shit.
zyuruki
More like the system did it automatically. If you flood airline systems with purchasing they spike incredibly high.
cousteau
Still technically correct since automated systems do not "give a shit".
Deanscream
I am gonna tough Irma out, wish me luck comrades.
cynicatt
Aaaah. Good luck, stranger. Stay safe.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
That's unwise but I understand it's not a perfect world and you may not have another reasonable option. Please stay safe
MrMemethief
I wish you the best of luck. If all else fails, don't forget to dig a safety hole.
Razbora
RIP
marshawnlynchatapressinterviewsaying
It's easy to tough out, so long as you're not in its path.
theslowbros
glhf
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Have you got an umbrella?
Deanscream
Two of 'em!
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Ah you'll be fine then
n0v4
Tickets prices are an automated system that responds to supply an ddem
BloodofHeroes
Yet they have a controller that should be locking prices during certain events.
Sarahsmomhasgotitgoingon
This how required books in college work...
TinaTriste
it's not made of magic, human beings write the parameters and limits.
Ansatsunin
.. So? That doesn't mean prices can't be manually adjusted whenever the hell they want.
retardland
totally right
Invada
I'm not sure I can accept that as an excuse. Couldn't they easily adjust said automation due to hurricane? Or would they be afraid of it....
Invada
Becoming a slippery slope?
Mumalot
I also responde to a system of "supply an ddem tittahs".
Molvanian
Damn you Ddem! Does your price gouging no no limits?!
DontLookAtMePenis
Yea I figured this was bs or something, the bad PR from a move like that would cost them way more than theyd make
probablyobvious
This is true, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to assess they could set an upper limit....
MandorSawall
Why would they? Last seats are reserved for the people that don't want to wait another minute and are prepared to pay for it.
probablyobvious
Because it's a PR nightmare and everytime they are called out on it they have to say "it's an automated system" and they
Solkanarmy
does this mean there are super cheap flights to miami right now that you could purchase then reschedule for when it's safe?
TheWiseAlaundo
Something similar happened during an attack in Sydney Uber was charging like $500 to leave the city.
1stw0rldissues
This also goes for online stores, if an item get many hits quickly it will increase in price.
governmentgavemeagun
Not most stores, but yes for some of the big ones that don't have showrooms.
1stw0rldissues
Here in sweden its pretty much all of them. The ones with physical stores are even worse because they can afford to be expensive online.
Gixxerguy
You think they don't have a revenue manager? Less automated than you think
n0v4
I'm sure they have a team of people. But if a bunch of tickets at a certain place and time are bought quickly the computer system will react
n0v4
...before any manual adjustments happen.
TheosophicBlues
Robots are taking the jobs of amoral capitalists!
TheGodlySka
Dey took our jerbs!
OneN7billion
Yea! By the words of the great electrosaint Elon Musk we have been warned and now we behold our comeupance! DOOOOOOOM I SAY
superanth
Doesn't matter. Once you buy the ticket the price shouldn't change.
angryregistrar
I think this is how it works. The message says 'book now' which suggests there was no previous booking.
retardland
nice excuse..
minionsandbananas
Delta you work there dont you
n0v4
Nope.
minionsandbananas
riiiiiiight
flarflarf
that doesn't make it ok
dajustifier
You sound like a Libertarian the "free market" is a myth & concept of people its a failure & not of nature. Why so many treat it as a deity?
n0v4
Everything's great in theory, but people aren't perfect. There are plenty of people willing to abuse markets and should be punished for it.
dajustifier
Indeed Libertarianism like Communism doesnt account for people being people. I agree with them an most social & foreign policies though.
rusty6899
Things like fraud and criminal negligence would still be illegal in a libertarian system, though.
dhulqarnayn
Pricing based on supply and demand is basic economics. Of course you can choose in factor in other things, if you so choose or due to regs
VizenFatale
What's wrong with libertarians? Real question.
dajustifier
They would sacrifice all to the "free market," nothing should be regulated, no or virtually no taxes, and no corporate accountability.
matheydonekilledoldrando
The law of supply and demand, we are all it's bitch.
n0v4
Make it your bitch and you will make money.
frankreynoldsthefrogkid
I agree. It is quite the bitch
PandaModeler
Yes, but we can be free comrade.
FancyGiraffes
We can all be free to not go anywhere while our commissars take the flights for the glorious people, struggling in our place.
fadedcharacter
Lol
n0v4
demand. Wow imgur gliched out on me in the middle of typing that.
Munchman347
So, price gouging in the face of a disaster is OK as long as a lot of people want something scarce? If it was gas or food you'd be angry...
n0v4
I didn't say it was OK. It should be manually adjusted. Just a possibility in this case without intent unlike often with gas or food.
nfamouscj
Thought you were having a stroke.
thegreatandpowerfulkawa
A keystroke.
Pawnderlust
Yes. There was a similar problem during fort mac evacuations.
MerToo
even your keyboard knows that's some sick shit, and your keyboard has seen some sick shit.
merelyadequategooglymoogly
Or you may have had a small stronk.
marifromky
call a bondulance!
riddmkidd
Because even imgur doesn't like rationalizations.
TittySprlnkIes
Voidkilla
Titty Sprinkles <3
kodiak931155
QUIBICUS
ExcitingJosh
Mxlespxles
vintagebanana
This gif is beautiful
Harryurhandsrfreezing
Wubalubadubdub7
WR0NGDUCKFACTS
HeyPrivate
That's not DL's website, and it was a glitch that's already fixed.
RideTheStimutacs
But that conflicts with my carefully constructed narrative!
VirginSurgeon
Found delta's incognito profile. ^
johneventually1
Not Delta, legally. Just probably a third party social media liaison.
HeyPrivate
Shit, I wish. They probably pay better than being a call center manager.
johneventually1
Mos def
LionExitium
There are always glitches when money is involved. They don't get recoded untill found out by public... no I don't believe it was a glitch
icookfoodandfightfire
wasnt a glitch, the price is determined automatically by demand and how close to departure, they fixed this within minutes>
Dirtydigits
"Fixed" to just under 2K per ticket, cuz that's completely reasonable.
billdozer86
Still over a 100% increase.
SuperJusticeWarrior69
last minute flights are a big no no for poor people like us, always.
NoSkellingtons
Have you ever booked a flight for the next day?
ImgurCelebrity
cogs
Still cheaper than before deregulation, both in real and inflation-adjusted dollars.
SelfPleasureRobot
Oh shut the fuck up. It's always that why when you fly past minute. Go start an airline.
johneventually1
Maybe we will! That'll show you
RogiBear1990
With black jack and hookers!
CheflyOne
Infact, forget the airline!
Pullout69
Isn't this sort of process gouging in a time of crisis illegal?
AtheistNotAntiTheist
in a pure capitalist country? hell no. You gotta take advantage of every situation to make money. No matter the price.
CaldariBob
With 45 in the White House? Surely you jest...
NotTheGreatestOCJustATribute
Not before anything happens
PublicRelations
The same thing happens with Uber after any disaster. It's an automated system that they try to fix ASAP because they don't want the bad pres
Freemage69
Bunk (to the ASAP part). It's As Soon As We Got Caught. Programming the system to 'freeze' the price at a certain multiplier that 1/x
Freemage69
would be likely to only be hit during a crisis should be easy enough to set up. Add in an auto red-flag system so that such situations 2/x
Freemage69
are caught before they get to the social media stage. But that might interfere with insane profits, so they don't do it. 3/3
zachummacums
Or the massive governmental fines.
Micahnanners
You mean like our gas prices going up by almost 25%?
biohazard918
No thats because a huge amount of our oil and gas refining is on the gulf coast.
SweptCobra
That's fine. As expected. Not charging 6.5x more than normal.
lotri
What's great is that California has their own blend of gas, and those prices went up too.
baronnapalm
Canadian here. Highest hike in 9 years. Even at companies that refine Canadian crude in Canada and sell in Canada. I don't see no hurricane.
zachummacums
That is rationalized by harder ingress if supplies and (more accurately) loss of local supplies.
Quasicool
Gas prices went up because a large amount of American refineries (about 25%) were closed during the hurricane, for obvious safety reasons.
FootSauce
That and people are buying a ton of gas. So why not meet prices with demand?
1Plebian
That's reality, not price gouging.
cole118
That's because Harvey has disrupted gas production
pineapplefucker
IF BERNIE SANDERS WAS PRESIDENT HE WOULD HAVE FIXED THIS ALREADY AND EVERYONE WOULD HAVE A FREE ELECTRIC TESLA!
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VizenFatale
Because that has runs out, and more has to be produced and shipped. Do you think your gas station has infinite supply?
HxCNative
nigga did you go full retard?
forResearchPurposesOnly
Yes. But what is "illegal" anyway. Can't we just call it capitalism?
DrBama
During times of crisis you can only raise the price 'X' percentage. Unfortunately that usually leads to them running out sooner-->shortages
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
...What? We put restrictions on markets and acceptable transactions all the time in the interest of increasing social surplus. It's 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
illegal because we, as a society, have chosen exploiting the vulnerabilities of those in times of crises via price gouging be banned. 2/2
derfisher
It takes months to increase flight schedules even marginally. This isn't price gourging. This is limited resources responding to hugh demand
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
The very definition of price gouging is "The practice of raising prices on certain types of goods and services to an unfair level, 1/
pineapplefucker
As an Economist: Unfortunately yes.
MrFnortner
You must turn in your economist card immediately. There is no such thing as price gouging. Sheesh!
FrightenedInmateNumberTwo
And as a Pineapple Fucker...?
pineapplefucker
Would you rather there was a shortage. Sorry bitch, but when demand freaks out, price rises. This rising price probably also induced Delta
pineapplefucker
to cancel other routes so they can add planes leaving the hurricane area. They are responding to the market, you aren't special.
FootSauce
I like this. People don't seem to understand market. Most people don't care about you, just your money. You want gas more you pay more lol
derfisher
You don't simply "add flights". It takes months to increase flight schedules even marginally. Routes do not bend to demand surges.
Noumenon72
I don't see why that would be when they regularly shift everything for snowstorms. Regulation? Seems like easy money.
MrFnortner
I'm not sure about your pineapple issues, but you sound like a decent economist.
raleGrom
"Cancel routes" to "add planes" in response? The fuck you talking about?This is the airline industry,not walmart diverting shipments of milk
gaggleOmidgets
Yes. And I'm sure happened automatically from their system, and I'm sure it was corrected shortly after.
ISiNipple
It was
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
some parole boards. You get nothing and you don't get to know why and you can't object (4/fin)
jtb1313
Yourself (4)
stormegedendarklordofall
You would think it's difficult
WhichIsIt
And you can do it, too. I haven't had to work for months (4)
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
how it was made, and that would be violating the companies copyright. Insurance companies are already making decisions this way, as are (3)
jtb1313
To (3)
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Sorry (1)
TheThingNoNotThatOne
You don't need to know HOW the price was set, merely that it was $X before the hurricane, and $Y after.
AMartianPotato
It may very well be, but this is an airline company. They haven't earned the benefit of the doubt.
TotallySaneScientist
They're not the only way out of Miami, and they are a business with limited resource that they can charge whatever they want for.
TotallySaneScientist
Like if a store jacked the price of soda in a crisis but not water. Sure the nicer thing is obscenely overpriced, but its not a necessity.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Not that it would have to be. If it was based on an automated process they could claim it's proprietary software so nobody can look into(1)
reux
Yeah but you can call the ticketing counter
jtb1313
Please (1)
whatbuttondoipush
"Kill the lawyer!- Rufio
BellerophonM
Doesn't matter if it's proprietary or not: if it's performing illegal actions, they're liable.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
it and anybody affected would lose all right to appeal or bring any legal challenge to it because to appeal the decision you have to know(2)
jtb1313
Respond (2)
jayphat
The State Attorney General will have a different take on that. And believe me, they WILL get the answer. Besides, the price is screenshot'd
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
Of course, in this particular instance I'm probably wrong. This situation is high profile enough that they'll be willing to push it
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
It isn't about the price, it's about WHY the price was hiked. You can't appeal a decision if you don't know why it's made
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Sure you can, the FCC, Consumer Protection Agency, and DOJ do it all the time (the burdens are high, so it's not common necessarily, but 1/
TobySomething
Nobody here understands supply and demand. That's only a functional system in a case like this if supply can be increased.
JockMcSting
You don't understand exaggeration's effect on your comments. And you are oversimplifying. And prices can be increased only if bosses want.
yeetmypug
blainetog
No, we get it. However, supply-demand economies are evil when the situation is life or death. It basically says that you die for being poor.
johnnyschifezz
Well until you come up with a better system.for distributing limited resources we'll stick with what we have
blainetog
I have. It's called "don't jack up prices when lives are on the line or the government will smack you with fines." So, what we're doing now.
johnnyschifezz
Price ceilings then create black markets. The highest bidder or most connected person still gets hooked up.
aFadingMemory
I guess I don't understand. Can you explain?
TobySomething
Commenters think it's okay "because supply and demand." In a functional supply/demand system, a surge in demand causes prices to increase...
TobySomething
...which causes supply to increase in turn. However, because supply in this case is constrained, airlines can charge basically whatever...
TobySomething
they want. It's exploitative and not part of a productive system that will respond with increased supply.
idonthaveagoodnameinmind
so what process would they use other then increased cost to determine who gets the limited supply?
manofthewild07
A whole bunch of ppl all of a sudden trying to buy plane tix will lead to higher prices... Pretty simple.
aFadingMemory
That part I understand.
PmMeYourExGFsBoobs
The number of seats on the flight (supply) is a fixed value. Lowering the price of each seat wouldn't allow more people to get out.
derfisher
Specific to flights: it is impossible to raise the amount of flight coming out of one airport immediately. It takes months.
derfisher
Airlines 'rent' gate space and service booths. Increasing capacity necessitates planning within delta, with the FCC and with the airport
derfisher
So delta can't fly more planes out. They've got five tickets left. By what system do they determine who gets these? First come first serve?
SkippedOver
(Warning: Very Long) Supply and demand. In an ideal world (keywords): More people want to buy a thing all of a sudden, 1/?
SkippedOver
prices will go up which decreases demand, enabling the company to make more money for the same amount of supply (eg: capitalizing). 2/?
JockMcSting
Don't give me this 'all of a sudden prices go up' crap. There is no need to decrease demand. It is simply and undeniably greed.
SkippedOver
Read the full thing. If you did you'd see I was describing the "theory", not the actuality.
SkippedOver
Then in this ideal world, with the extra profits the company will increase their supply (expanding) which leads to a decrease in demand 3/?
SkippedOver
(proportionally) and then a subsequent drop in price to increase demand. HOWEVER: this is assuming an ideal world. 4/?
PleasePMMeYourFeet
I believe his argument is that we should only allow market forces to work in cases where it's possible for suppliers to enter the market (1)
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Though we should note that that principle doesn't hold in this case. Supply is constrained by fleets and landing slots, and in the short 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
run (that is, over the duration of the demand spike), completely inelastic. Market forces are unable to muster a supply expansion, and 2/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
all we can expect to see in this case is a shift in social surplus from consumers to producers. 3/3
PleasePMMeYourFeet
in response to rising prices, i.e. where both suppliers and consumers can change their behavior in response to incentives. (2/2)
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Oh, my bad, just re-read your response and realized we're saying the same thing (sorry, I misunderstood your emphasis with the "only," 1*
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
that's my bad). Sorry! You're totally on point here 2*2
Locolarue
If prices aren't allowed to temporarily rise, there's little incentive to increase supply to service that demand, allowing prices to lower.
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
Not really though- as this isn't an "ideal" market. Delta owns a certain number of landing slots at MIA, and cannot artificially 1/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
increase the supply in response to prices. In the short run (up to years, depending on the availability of new slots) quantities are 2/
PerhapsAnotherPerspective
strictly fixed. There is no supply response in this case, and the prices equalize only thanks to a decrease back to equilibrium demand. 3/3
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
It's almost as if when you spend decades telling businesses they only need to care about seeking profit under any circumstances and at any
metalfoto
Like the groceries folk selling water at 5$ or shovel at 50$, "its matter of demand, shortage, blah blah blah"
ISiNipple
Or that its automated per demand, and delta fixed it very quickly?
allthenamesaregone
Yep. It's enshrined in law that they have to seek the greatest gain for shareholders. It conflicts directly with being decent to people.
derfisher
No
UserClevername
Anti-Reagan mic-drop
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
Yeah but you've got a guy in charge who is going to change all that don't worry
Shadehawk
right? if theres one thing trump isnt its a money hungry monster who would murder a baby if it made him a quick profit! oh.... oh fuck.
pineapplefucker
It's almost as if businesses understand shortages, and supply and demand curves better than irate internet picture whorers.
pineapplefucker
Would you rather there was a shortage. Sorry bitch, but when demand freaks out, price rises. This rising price probably also induced Delta
pineapplefucker
to cancel other routes so they can add planes leaving the hurricane area. They are responding to the market, you aren't special.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Funny how a profit-seeking, amoral commercial enterprise doesn't follow moral guidelines in order to make a profit.
derfisher
Wrong
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Not saying you can't follow moral guidelines and make a profit, but it doesn't shock me a corporation doesn't
JockMcSting
Your one word responses are useless. If you have something to say, say it, or shut up.
derfisher
Correct
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
cost to anybody else they'll feel zero social responsibility
Remember6aby
weird how that works...
SoMuchPooPooSon
Way to make everything political. This was an automated system working off of simple supply and demand. The issue has already been addressed
pineapplefucker
And what have you done to help?
pineapplefucker
Would you rather there was a shortage. Sorry bitch, but when demand freaks out, price rises. This rising price probably also induced Delta
pineapplefucker
to cancel other routes so they can add planes leaving the hurricane area. They are responding to the market, you aren't special.
rockstedi
q in the people calling you a socialist.
AlwaysandEventuallyHannah
I was prepared for exactly that, to be honest I'm quite surprised at how positive the response has actually been
jsktrogdor
1/2 There's a great story of an analyst who gave a seminar at a financial services meet-up telling a room full of CDO Bond Traders in like
jsktrogdor
2/2 2006 that they'd gotten so caught up in their potential growth they'd totally forgotten about the entire other half of investing: Risk.
CwispyNoodles
Aren't the pricing for plane tickets automated?
aFadingMemory
Someone wrote the software that does it
derfisher
And so by what mechanism should we then determine who gets the "one" remaining seat? First come first serve? The winner of a fist fight?
derfisher
Scenario: 1 person lives, 10,000 die. My question isn't how YOU answer. How to keep society from destroying itself under that circumstance?
Shmiddty
It's no wonder why so many are depressed.
Imhonestlypartying
You mean I can stop blaming my failures, shortcomings in life and social awkwardness causing me to be an outcast in most circles? Sweet.
Shmiddty
You are a victim of society.
derfisher
By contradicting you? So far he is only a victim of your pity