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Oct 26, 2016 11:32 PM
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GunslingerGonzo
Saw a dude wearing a shirt that said "education is important. Riding a bike is importanter."
DespiseEveryone
Expensive for governments, free to citizens... tax paying citizens? Who ever wrote this quote badly needs an education.
jamesinGa
We don’t need no education!
themarcmac
The people running the government don't want us being smart
RealScienceMan
After an initial amount more education spending doesn't really give any returns, fancier supplies don't really do much.
Geo80
Teachers union, bro. Ain't gonna happen.
BlackIC
I like the fact that someone thinks that something can be expensive for government and free for citizens.
matticusspraypaintimus
And we should tax everyone out the ass for it
BrownskinOriental
This is how we win economically, politically, and with military. How? Smart people for business. Smart ideas politically. Best weapon tech.
trojanplatypus
If it's expensive for the government it'll be expensive for the taxpayer. Where do you think the money comes from?
pangyre
No. No. A thousand times no. If education is not a CULTURAL value, it’s meaningless. Tiki huts with chalkboard win if the culture is there.
saltyseatmech
A very different image comes to my mind whenever I hear "the silver bullet"
PopeBruce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkHqPFbxmOU Key and Peele teaching bowl
SashoWolf
Thank you Sam Seaborn
mclarkeclendon
And this is why India is beating the sox of us.
TrunkMonkey6
Because they all come here for their education?
jsondie13
Seaborn for President
RealityIsOftenDisappointing
The kind of education you want is as mythical as the werewolves the silver bullet was designed to kill.
jrhawk42
sadly the US also tops the rest of the world in education spending per student (and total spending).
jodelijodela
So very true
cr4sh0verride
MargarineMeadow
On my phone I though that read "Evil Trump because good dumb"
GreatTeacherMichael
USA spends more per student than other rich countries, its students are years behind. Its society's attitude, not money, that's the problem
kawwmoi
America wastes more money per student. They're spending it all on useless testing, not on actual education.
Mcmcman
If the cost is high for the government, where the fuck do you expect them to get the money if not from citizens.
SINisterWyvern
you rearrange this: http://www.cbpp.org/most-of-budget-goes-toward-defense-social-security-and-major-health-programs-0
SINisterWyvern
I think there's room in that military budget: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/wolrd_military_spending_barchart_large.png
Tyrsius
They can take it out of the national defense budget to start
Mcmcman
Because now no one is angry at us, so we're perfectly fine
Tyrsius
The military isn't protecting us from anyone. We haven't been attacked by a military target in decades. You're fearmongering
okulfsleifar
I will always up vote The West Wing
gaidinbdj
That show was so amazing. I think I need to watch it again.
winterbourne
Septcanmat
This needs to be top comment because OP failed to cite their sources.
wannapeanut
"Six Meetings Before Lunch" was the episode, but yeah you're right
andymancan20
Except that the government had no money except for what they take/tax from citizens...you can't have the gov spend money that is theirs
kargul
The rest of the quote was, "That's my position. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet."
andymancan20
The quote still assumes that national defense is free and so should edu...neither is free as all $ the gov has is from the people
whyiseverythingupsidedown
Anytime you pay someone >$100k you open the door up for those only interested in the money. It is an incredibly slippery slope
BenderThe0ffender
There are some cases of charter school scams already
themoonmadeofbarbequesparerib
yeah but charter schools aren't paying teachers six figures
BenderThe0ffender
In some cases the administration gets that. But you're definitely right that teachers don't
MisterScooties
Your mom is a slippery slope
FearTheRobotUprising
whyiseverythingupsidedown
Only Tuesday through Thursday, then my cousin works the corner.
freshpineapple86
.... Uh.... oh...
RickMcDick2121
Unlike most professions, a teacher's pay is determined not by how much money they make the company, but by how much they help the consumer
whyiseverythingupsidedown
That is something that some people find difficult to grasp, often get in to that debate at Uni. Different classification of "worth".
icyvaynes
I agree but still think they should be paid better than they are.
DavidBrooker
Professors in professional faculties regularly make much more than $100k, and that's generally a steep pay cut versus industry.
DavidBrooker
The highest paid professor in my department makes ~$185k
whyiseverythingupsidedown
Shit, look at Wall Street, those dudes and dudettes aren't exactly there to bring sunshine and lollipops to the masses.
bresnevs
Tech is attracting more smart people because of the better hours/ lifestyle. I never regretted working for one of the big firms though.
IsoPropylPotatene
Yeah but if you make access to that money merit based you get people who earned that money.
WhoYouGonnaCallGhostNappa
I agree with you in principal, the problem is when you let idiots determine what is meritorious
Geo80
Merit based? lol, someone's never heard of the teachers union.
themoonmadeofbarbequesparerib
merit pay in ed has been pretty thoroughly shown to be a crock of shit. especially since it's usually tied to high-stakes standardized tests
YouCanGoFuckYourself
I like this, but we need kids to understand the importance of education
RagePhish
They never will u till adults show it's important with actions. And money
dang36
You give the child a canvas, the child will create art, what is made depends on what tools are given to them.
abandcalleddawes
Kids know when something is valued. If a building is shit or if teacher turnover is high. They know no one gives a fuck. So why should they?
UnsavoryCommenter
If it got ^^^^ This kind of attention, they would probably get it pretty quickly.
posthuman001
They will by seeing what is invested into it.
LetumComplexo
Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? How can they understand the value of education if they aren't educated about it?
greymaria
The kids aren't the ones that need to understand. It's the parents. Proper education starts at the parents.
Inmate45
100% this! I'm a teacher, and a positive attitude from home is like 90% of a kids chance at being successful.
maggiesohn
If adults place as much value on education as they do the military children will definitely pick up on that.
RealScienceMan
We actually spend more on education than we do on the military, it's just that states pay for education.
YouCanGoFuckYourself
Which sadly they don't. The amount of parents who don't care is reflected in their children.
BanadecCamberbootch
What about this quote makes you think children won't understand the importance of education if the nation uses unparalleled resources on it?
RealScienceMan
We do spend unparalleled resources on it, we spend more than any other country per student on education.
RealScienceMan
Education spending is the prerogative of the individual states and not the federal government.
GreatTeacherMichael
Because other countries spend less per pupil and get better results. In America we glorify jocks and make fun of nerds.
LordNoodles
What if... We took sports out
SquidJesus
As of right now the American education system is one big participation test. My last year of school I did literally nothing.
dmanroxsox
Also that your first twelve years are near useless, my professors at Uni have literally said, "Everything from high school doesn't matter."
SquidJesus
Humans are obsessed with the next. The next year of school, the next promotion, the next rank, the next friend, style, game, news article...
Rayxzerox
that requires we as a nation understand it
YourLocalSnitch
bro
heidnseek
PoopholeAintALoophole
Yeah - that's not happening anytime soon *looks and candidates*. So much work.... so. fucking. much.
Rayxzerox
To be fair education is an issue hillary clinton has been heavily involved in. Not to mention bernie's involvement in the dnc platform.
1incitatus
Expensive for government but free for citizens? That's called make believe. Good luck with that.
kargul
The rest of the quote was, "That's my position. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet."
Haxor777
Look at the national defense budget.
Geo80
Do you have some delusion that that is free?
ClifEsq
Lol. The classic "we spend too much on defense!" bullshit. How about look at the amount we pay on interest on LOANS! Its 3.5x the education1
ClifEsq
budget. The defense budget isn't even the highest portion of the budget spend, or the second. The defense budget isn't the problem. 2/
ClifEsq
People who think they should be getting more for the government for "free" is. If it's free for you, the money is either being borrowed 3/
ClifEsq
(hence the massive interest payments) or those of us actually paying taxes are paying for it. My property taxes from the houses I own 4/
1incitatus
I'm looking at it and it ain't free. We pay for it. The gov't pays for nothing.
Haxor777
Government is still the one that allocates the budget. But what I mean is simply you get the benefit of it without paying out of your pocket
Haxor777
Something like the police/fire department is "free" because you don't pay them whenever they help you out it comes out of taxes which not
Haxor777
everybody pays and those that do pay different amounts which is something they don't care about when they arrest people or put out fires.
1incitatus
Money comes out of my paycheck and funds the federal budget. Even borrowed money, we eventually pay for through inflation. It's not free!
Haxor777
Free is somewhat relative I suppose. Not everyone pays taxes and not everyone is effected in the same way. I only say free because there is.