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https://twitter.com/keeltyc/status/1577844622642012162?s=46&t=XIictg_tk_C9AhkaWp8n-w
nemocares
Perhaps also of note is the British court who found no room for slavery in common law, in 1772.
kitamuramiike
Anybody got legit sources for this? Not doubting. I'd love to get more details than a Twitter post
cbale2000
I feel like a lot of this is revisionist and requires a LOT more citations than this tweet provides.
Everythingstaken0
Jesus fuck this is a really problematically oversimplified take. Guys go read books, not Twitter.
greggor
This is, predictably, bull shit in the core premise. These “shocking fact” exposés always need to be taken with a boulder of salt.
greggor
The Townshend Duties increased taxes on tea consumers. The Tea Act dropped the tax owed by the British E India Co. It didn’t benefit America
Arsikere
doesnt really take away from the fact that the crown was taxing taxes away from the colonies and not providing anything in return
Maitrify
Jgold101
dbox
NonExistingWisper
Upvote for "Elon Musk can eat my poo"
tintoverde
Noooo upvote for blowing my mind and thanks to OP point to something worthwhile
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I love the he/him because it almost reads like it's driving the point home - *he* can eat my poo and my poo can be eaten by *him*, lol
mistermiggs
fuckmusk.com
TOMMOEX
I was glad it showed what the p stood for at the end.
NonExistingWisper
Same here!!
BrigidtheMechLady
So we live in a country that has always been controlled at a social level by oligarchs and rich men with a financial stake in power.
420supercoolusername69
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office
digitalagriculture
Steal from a store, you’re a thief. Steal from workers, you’re a CEO.
SebastianCrab
Think another thing many overlook is that many of them founding fathers were 20 and 30 year olds.
HeywouldJablowme
Is this true?
Ryebread91
So what you're saying is nascar is literally part of the American heritage due to it being founded on smuggling.
GuillotinesRUs
I think I speak for all humanity when I say "shut the fuck up Elon".
KommSusserTod
I love how history taught me that England was the boogeyman and how some rough and tumble good guys saved us all.
CyborgScribe
I'd expected some strong sources to support a claim this big and black-and-white. I'd have expected that competition between colonial and
CyborgScribe
british vendors or the failed parliamentary representation bid to be factors.
Everythingstaken0
Because they were. This is pretty trash 140 character history.
anhope
Exactly. It makes no mention of the forced monopoly the crown awarded the East India company.
LupusLilium
Also no mention that a lot of the actions/reactions at the time were started by a major credit crisis that had just happened.
ChallengerDeep
This is... complete horseshit :) https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/Tea-Act/630405
Morgoth117
Thanks for the sauce. Don’t really understand why everyone is immediately jumping to believe this based on a tweet…
Spectos
Sources are for those that read far down the comment chain. Everything else is for views and likes.
EaNasirIsABastard
The whole reason the US was created was to avoid taxes for a large military.
tolatetocomment
Thats quite ironic
Everythingstaken0
It absolutely isn't. The size of the American army after the revolution is tiny because the founders were terrified of standing armies.
EaNasirIsABastard
So would you describe a tiny army as a large military?
Everythingstaken0
No. That's the point. The US military was quite small by 18th century standards after the revolution, hence all the shit about militia.
EaNasirIsABastard
Yeah, exactly, the US didn't want to pay the bills for the British military after the 7 year war.
Everythingstaken0
Ah, my bad..I thought you were saying the US WANTED a big military.
Afewflowers
War is almost always the poor dying to resolve the conflicts of the rich
Everythingstaken0
Washington spent the winter of valley forge in a fucking tent with his men dude. The tent is literally in a museum in Philly.
neverpostsoriginalcontent
Honestly, Washington might be one of the few founding fathers truly worthy of respect. He died repenting of slavery. He fought in the front.
RunsWithScizrs
He died repenting of slavery but only freed his slaves contingent upon his wife's death, keeping them enslaved for more years.
RunsWithScizrs
That being said, he did some extremely courageous and inspiring things in his life. I was in awe of his achievements after watching >
RunsWithScizrs
a docuseries called Washington. Jeff Daniels narrates it. It's a good watch.
eclecticdyslexic
Hancock made his fortune smuggling molasses; it was the Sugar Act that soured him on the crown.
flavivsaetivs
I was about to say, wasn't it the tax on molasses that caused it? Because we wanted to keep the molasses so we threw the tea in the harbor?
Truckin
The Bonus Army is just another sad American tradition of screwing soldiers over after using them to secure their personal financial interest
bippityboppitybuttsex
Yes and no. The bonuses were supposed to be paid in 1945, they wanted them 13 years early. What was done to them was a crime, but they...
bippityboppitybuttsex
... weren't in the right to demand them 13 years early.
Truckin
Depends on who supposed the 13 year delay of payment. In this case it wasn't the Vets, it was congress as a cheap last minute workaround to
Truckin
Maintain a moral high ground after allowing yet again the looting of the country in favor of a few. Hungry today 13 years doesn't matter muc
bippityboppitybuttsex
I wasn't justifying what happened to them, but this is pretty normal for how the US treats veterans generally. I am surprised they...
InfocalypseRising
The best part is that some guy confirmed this by checking insurance records against cargo manifests from the time
HandoB4Javert
Red Pilling - am I doing it right?
NotSafeForFork
Every state leader is a tyrant. Those are the rules of the game. You can not climb that ladder without being one. Others will outcompete you
digsdugs
Which is why the founding fathers had the foresight to limit the gov’t’s power. They had first hand knowledge of how the powerful can lie.
DivaythFyr
Imagine you live in Guam, North Korea bombed you, and Amazon has conquered India but nearly gone bankrupt. You're now being taxed +20% 1/3
MilkMind
.
DivaythFyr
on all shipping to pay off Amazon's debts. Oh and Amazon doesn't pay the taxes, but is buying out all your businesses, and the US troops 2/3
Greenwaxy
The Americans were in the wrong in the rev war. Sometimes the bad guys win.
ServerMonkeyKing
And sometimes in war, neither side is in the right. Casus Belli doesn't ever have to be "right" it was only ever legal justification.
DivaythFyr
answer to Amazon. That was the Colonies, but with the East India Company and England post French-American War.
ExogenousDataStructure
…but it’s where America’s day begins!
DepressButtonStucked
History is uh, written by the victor.
Patman08
I happen to live in a small town famous for a person who challenged the founding father theory...Charles A. Beard...quaker
newsguycraigevans
Not always. The US won the Civil War but the history was largely written by confederate sympathizers, that's why it became known as the
newsguycraigevans
War of Northern Aggression and people act like the treasonous fucks somehow had a chance to win the war.
DukePhelan
That is what happens when you don't listen when Uncle Billy tells you to kill all the traitors after the war!
JudgementalMan
History is not written by the victor. History is written by the writers. That's why its the "fall of rome" and not "rise of the goths"
DepressButtonStucked
Plenty have been written about big tiddies Goth chics
NarratesTheDarkerStory
not enough. I should know, just spent the last 11 months reading all about them. there should be more scholars in that field.
Attaroo
Jesus, more far left bullshit propaganda. Don't we have enough far right bullshit propaganda? It imposed taxes on American resellers
Xendrash
Let me ask were those two smugglers yes or no? Did they have profits to lose due to the lower taxes, yes or no?
Attaroo
while allowing British resellers to avoid the taxes including rebating the East India Company. The Townsend Acts were the first direct
eclecticdyslexic
The Stamp Act created the first direct taxes in British N. America. The Townshend -- not "Townsend" -- duties were imposed after its repeal.
Attaroo
tax on the colonists. But the colonists had no representation in parliament. Taxation w/o representation ring a bell?
Maitrify
Weren't they offered representation but denied it?
TI99Kitty
Yes.
bippityboppitybuttsex
So, the UK acceded to every demand and they still revolted.
Attaroo
No. They were offered 'virtual representation.' Meaning that already seated British PMs would speak for the colonies.No new representatives
Maitrify
TIL!
Attaroo
were offered. British Lords were afraid that a combination of American and anti-noble British commoners would dilute their power. William
potatoqueen
In school I learned Bacon's rebellion was a great pivotal time in our revolution. Later learned the guy was just pissed the British 1/2
potatoqueen
wouldn't let him murder and drive Native Americans out of Virginia, so rebelled. Our history is pretty damn shameful but painted in gold 2/2
KingORedLions
Wait until you learn why half of y'all sailed out there in the first place.
Everythingstaken0
Bacon's rebellion, while it is part of a trend of dudes wanting to take native land, occured 100 years before the revolution.
NonSequitarian
Damn that Sam Adams and his tepid devil's water
Nututleptek
Also, people shouldn't forget the heavy lifting against England was done by the french navy, eager to piss off the english
bippityboppitybuttsex
I mean, TBH, UK foreign policy for the past 400 years is a destabilized Europe. The End. End of statement.
Everythingstaken0
The first half of the war was carried by the US alone convincing France they were worthy of support. The first attempt by the french to 1/2
Everythingstaken0
Support American troops directly with soldiers and sailors at the siege of Newport faceplanted hard. Yorktown/the capes are their big W.
otiumCatulli
America wouldn't have won without the French though, there would not have been a second half
Everythingstaken0
This is like diminishing Ukraine because they got Western arms. Those dudes still did the fuckin leg work.
Everythingstaken0
The only battle that was decided by the presence of french troops was that battle of the capes/Yorktown. All of Greene and Morgan's 1/2
Everythingstaken0
Victories in the south, Monmouth, Stony point, involved some french arms and equipment, but Americans did the fighting and dying. 2/2
otiumCatulli
There's more to fighting wars than footsoldiers? I'm not an expert but this was what some university experts said to me.
Chimichanga007
Take us back!! At least New England
Thewayofthebear
As an Old Englander... Sure
SerenePrincess013
I'm not sure I want to be under the thumb of such an auspicious monarch as Charles. One was executed for treason,& the other let London burn
sleepinggreenidea
I'd be more concerned about being under the thumb a PM like of Liz Truss, and auspices never enter into the matter...
TotallyNotTheNSAGuys
Id be way more concerned about the Tories than a powerless figurehead?
Qualtagh
Nah, the Queen's dead and the new guy is grosser. Can Norway take us instead?
tlamstrike
BS. Taxes were lowered for British merchants not American ones. This was to corner the American market for England at a time when America①
tlamstrike
had the capacity to build ships to do our own trade. The "smugglers" were angry because taxing American merchants but not British ones②
tlamstrike
forced to to become smugglers rather than letting a free market decide who would be successful (remember Europe was against free market③
tlamstrike
capitalism at this time with a few exceptions). The idea the Whiskey Rebellion was started by businessmen is ridiculous. Whiskey was used④
tlamstrike
as money by many rural communities, so all of a sudden everyone had to pay what amounted to an income tax that people in the cities who ⑤
tlamstrike
used paper currency or coinage didn't have to pay. This was at a time when the main method of taxation was meant to be import duties.⑥
unclesporky
No, this is a gross overstatement of all these elements. Read and understand at least the Wikipedia article rather than hot takes. >
unclesporky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party
unclesporky
"The [Tea Act's] hidden purpose was to force the colonists to pay a tax of 3 pennies on every pound of tea."
bippityboppitybuttsex
Also, we would have single payer healthcare now.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
And slavery would have been abolished 32 years earlier.
Everythingstaken0
Nah there just would have been another revolution in 1833.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
You mean the Southern state would have revolted against Britain instead of the Union.Chances are they'd have been slapped down twice as hard
CyborgScribe
It's weird that people bring that up but ignore the way the British created and dominated the slave trade prior. It's nice when nations
CyborgScribe
grow but I don't think that absolved the empire any more than casino rights washed away the American native genocide.
Goldensands
Please read the reply you got, he’s correct.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Of course there is no denying that Britain started the slave trade and pretty much forced slaves on the colonies at the beginning. But by...
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
the time of the revolutionary war, British forces already freed slaves to bolster their ranks. And there is no denying that slavery would...
mardukkur
Single payer is nowhere near the most popular universal system.
mardukkur
I love how this 100% true statement just gets hammered by the ignorant dipshits who think single payer and universal healthcare are the same
Keairan
Kicks the shit out of our bullshit for profit system, though.
mardukkur
Every universal system is better than the mess the Republicans have made of the ACA. Works great in states that try to make it work though.
freckledkink
BTW, America has fallen out of the top 50 for life expectancy. Guess what every of the other 50 countries above us have?
mardukkur
Not single payer but god forbid anybody ever learn anything about the various universal healthcare systems.
mardukkur
Most common is the Bismark model (basically a universal version of what the US uses), then Beveridge nationalized provision (like UK), and..
mardukkur
finally Single Payer (as in Canada). The particulars each have pluses & minuses, the only real important distinction is universal or not.
freckledkink
It's only in countries where there's low crime, low poverty, high attainable education, high life expectancy, plentiful healthy food.... you
mardukkur
Actually it's only in a few countries period, since other forms of universal health care are much more common.
freckledkink
Know, not shitty countries we constantly here horrible things about.
froggy2therescue12
So whats the most popular?
mardukkur
Bismarck, a hybrid universal system where insurance costs are shared by employers and the state, guaranteed issue, community rating.
mardukkur
Basically what the ACA was written to do before the Republicans ratfucked it and the Roberts court lawlessly re-wrote it.
mardukkur
The Bismarck Model: https://morningsignout.com/international-health-care-systems-part-3-the-bismarck-model/
BurtTyrannosaurusMacklinFBl
Everyone its Mardukkur let's see what Tucker Carlson taught him this week!
mardukkur
LOL the odds of you having any politics to my left are basically nil. To the topic, GB is state-owned provision, zero payer.
Causeitsmadeofmeat
So no one pays? That defines single payer. Give your head a shake
mardukkur
Look I’m sorry you’re completely ignorant about the various universal healthcare systems but you could try educating yourself.
leechdemon
"Zero payer"? So the doctors are all volunteers, I take it? Is it a "B-Y-O-Bandages" situation, or do "zero people" pay for those, too?
mardukkur
There is no pay-for-service in Beveridge model systems, as the providers are employees or direct contractors of the state. Thus zero payer.
triaddraykin
GB has single payer AND the state owned NHS.
mardukkur
No it does not. GB has private insurance and private clinics, and then also has universal care provided directly by the state.