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Trollydarollypolly
How is this racism though?
RadicalLiberal
Asshole Orangeface never read one fucking word of any bill, so this is as much about that shit-for-brains' ignorance as anything!
Zerosober
They use terms like "low income" and "suburbs" like we don't know that's code for "brown people" and "segregation" you're not sly.
gurgurFlanCreatorOverShapingLord
Thats racism regardless of year, period.
graehall
Other than the racism, what pisses me off is their stupid pretense that it's not racism. It is, we see it, it's your frkn campaign. Fuck off
sudousername
It’s kinda of racist to even think that those who have low income are all from one particular race.
Sighered
Wouldn’t an actual leader want to do something about the low income and crime parts?
twfeline
I can't believe that our President is using this issue to divide us, rather than unite us. Oh, wait -- Trump.
UsernameMayBeSubjectToChange
He is not interested in that. He thinks they just have to try harder so they can be rich too
torokunai
conservatives only policy is 'it is what it is, live with it'
LarvaLamp
He was elected to lea- oh, wait...
springelmogizmo
goodby suburbs: https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/517201-trump-is-betting-big-on-the-suburbs-but-his-strategy-is-failing-bigly
steerAwwPrincess
How low can he go? Stay tuned. Same bat time. Same bat channel.
Clockworkdancerobot
It's like he is going though a greatest hits of racists and segregationists from the past 80 years.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
Honestly, given his desperate "campaign" style, you're probably not wrong.
morelikeconsham
He ran on a platform of regressing the US, so I would say this is explicitly his goal, and not a coincidence.
The5lacker
What do you think his base elected him for?
GoYotes
As Joe Biden says: "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://youtu.be/idpevmeoK1A
ihaveneverhadbutteronapoptart
Saying low income housing only pertains to a specific race is racist lol
draregerreip
Doesn't make it untrue ... don't know how it is today but West Philly 30 years ago ...
ihaveneverhadbutteronapoptart
There’s more low income white people in the US than any other demographic. So saying that only POC are low income is racist as fuuuuuuuuuck
perchingbird
hes reaching out to racists who correlate the two with this dogwhistle. Thats the point. OP is pointing that out
bluemagister
All that tweet says is low income. The fact that you (the twitter poster, whatever) made the link to race says more about your own bias.
sudousername
Can someone please explain to me how is this tweet racist?
whoishermano
Check out "The Color of Law" for some well researched material on the history of institutionalized segregation in the US.
RadicalLiberal
link please?
TheWombatStrikesAgain
And possibly the future.
fxalvarezd
Don't agree with Trump's tweet, but want to let you know that the racist piece is your interpretation...
fxalvarezd
Assuming the race of the low income folks is racist. Trump's tweet is class division.
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
Suburbanites are going to be really disappointed to find that the property value will go down when their neighborhood restraunts & stores >
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
shut down because there are no people willing to commute that far to work those low income jobs. Cost of landscaping, childcare, etc will >
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
also skyrocket to cover the costs of travel. Think about it. Who wants to live packed like sardines an hour away from grocery stores.
kuriosly
Living in the Seattle Area for 5 years, the low income people seemed to have no issue driving an hour each way to the "low income" jobs.
kuriosly
To be fair, low income in those area was closer to $15/h, but I was/still am amazed by how far people will travel.
TheInternetNeedsMoreCats
I live in the Seattle area too so I'm familiar with this. Once I had to quit a job because they moved their building 20 minutes north. I >
robago
Only racist if you assume all low-income housing is going to be inhabited by one race, all suburbs are inhabited by only one race, and, BTW,
robago
Cory Booker is black.
GoldFrieza
Oh, you're one of those people that tries to win the argument by using the word "all". How pedantic. Are you a college student?
robago
Yea. That. Whatever. Tell me I’m wrong.
GoldFrieza
Pedantic ppl are usually right. But only about some hyper specific point. So hyper specific that *whoosh* you missed the real discussion.
robago
You mean about the assumptions implicit in the statement that the tweet was racist? No, I go that. Good effort tho, freshman.
robago
*got
GameOfLiesAndDeath
This guy is saying only one race lives in suburbs and other races live in poverty and commit crimes? Calling it racist makes him seem racist
Trollydarollypolly
Yeah Biden said the same shit before so as bad as imgur hates "both sides" how about check both sides
GoYotes
As Joe Biden says: "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://youtu.be/idpevmeoK1A
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
Targeting poor people as a roundabout way of indirectly targeting PoC is NOT new. Also, yeah, Biden saying that was kinda disgusting. (1/2)
ImGoingToGoFallAsleepOnABench
I'd still vote for him over Trump, of course - "lesser of two evils" takes on new levels of meaning in the year 2020 AD. (2/2)
Trollydarollypolly
Sure does
LinesOfCokeWithSnowman
being poor isnt a race
kevinallover
Trump is a NY real estate developer. For him Low Income Housing = The Projects = Black
TripleLock
It is a very strange thing though, this attempt to re-map the notion of classes to skin color. Seems like a huge mistake to me.
suchpun
All forms of discrimination are intrinsically linked. Not like people like Trump really care about poor white people.
GoYotes
As Joe Biden says: "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://youtu.be/idpevmeoK1A
DavidBrooker
The influence of racialized US city planning in the immediate post-WWII have had *profound* impacts on America I think few people realize.
CrazyforRAMU
It's also a great example of how racial discrimination is present in every part of the nation, not just particular regions.
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
I mean, a few people realize it because efforts have been taken to keep the public uneducated about it.
dejadrew
I will say I'm against just because my neighborhood has seen a lot more crime since a bunch of houses were rezoned as Section 8. 1/2
dejadrew
That being said, I completely agree that making it so low income housing cannot be zoned in specific areas is racist/classist
torokunai
Section 8 created an underclass with a landlord profiting on dependent tenants. People need to own their own homes, Rove knew this 20 years>
torokunai
... ago https://vdare.com/articles/karl-rove-architect-of-the-minority-mortgage-meltdown (source odious but true nonetheless)
dejadrew
Very interesting read. Section 8 is lumped into the blanket “low income housing” but I think that people don’t feel like part 1/2
dejadrew
Of a community when they rent and therefore don’t care about their neighbors, hence the more crime, littering, noise violations, etc
torokunai
bingo. If I were the benevolent dictator it'd be illegal to rent housing to people; 'income properties' are inherently parasitical activity
PerthAussieMike
And there is me thinking criminals don't go into higher income housing areas to burgle. Oh, wait...
CrimeBrulee
I have a peaceful drug dealer that lives on my street. We have no crime bc ppl know not to stir shit near him.
HoboTerry
My drug dealers live well in nice neighborhoods
Guyslikewhatwhatoh
True dat, I leave my spot in the ghetto to get to his across town in the richie hoods. I feel out of place and by no means look suspect!
downvotevacuum
He said nothing about race here. If you think this is racist, it's because you are racist.
leonleonardo
It's a fact of point that white people in suburbs don't want black people in their neighborhood because "it lowers property value."
downvotevacuum
Downvote this all you want; if you agree with OP, you're assuming that minorities are the cause of lower property values. That's racist.
leonleonardo
When Trump says "low income housing" he's conjuring in the mind of racists ugly tenement buildings and gangs. That's a dog whistle.
chuckling
low income families can be any race
YouThinkImEspeciallyNotAGenius
Watch John Oliver’s report on US history. The part about Lee Atwater will explain why republicans use low income to describe nonwhites.
edwardelricsnipples
Yes, but they're disproportionately people of color, and the suburbs and homeowners' associations were made to keep colored people out
Lobuttomize
So do they commit crime because they're black or poor? Give me your answer and then from that answer explain how this is racist
GoldFrieza
Yes anything can mean anything. But when you talk to people who say this there's always a little *wink*
SilverNicktail
I think you need to google "dogwhistle".
GoYotes
As Joe Biden says: "Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids" https://youtu.be/idpevmeoK1A
TheDayTheBrainStoodStill
Low income families in the real world can be any race. However, 'low income families' in the mind of a Trump voter aren't at all any race.
Deviledeggsmakemehorny
It's not like only black people live in low income housing....wouldn't necessarily call it racist
Kamasu0Tra
Take a look at the statistics and demographics, and tell me that targeting low income is not also targeting black people.
kyylye
It targets all races in low income. To leave out the others is just as racist. Maybe look past skin color for once
kyylye
if anything, it's racist to assume it's only minorities that live in poverty. White people have struggles too...
PangolinBan
It's not like only criminals live in low income housing either. Trump knows he has to walk a line here, regardless of what he thinks. He 1/2
PangolinBan
2/2 can't very well be openly racist towards the African-American part of the electorate, but he does want to appeal to racist tendencies.
softballguy
It's a callback to white flight. A generation of whites moved out of cites and created suburbs because they didn't wanna live near blacks.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
It's probably because in history the minority population have been beaten down and forced to live poorly. When they manage to get up and 1/2
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
live decently, shit like the Tulsa race riots happen. 2/2
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
ArcheiaSophiaMetatronsWife
That is exactly what he and those who agree with his statement are saying
4vie
I want to downvote for the archaic sentiment, but upvote for visibility like "Yikes, this is how we used to think! Thank fuck we've stopped"
transientmind
Except it didn’t stop. It’s paraphrasing perfectly the gist of a recent public message from the nation’s highest office.
LullabyJones
America, 2020 (not colorized)
Ohemefgee
YouMealyMouthedCrotchPheasant
Heh, yeah, certainly not fucking colourized!
proracing53
whygeorgiawhy
I sometimes think about where those kids are now and how traumatized they must be from doing that show
M1CR0N0T
What show?
ItsMorphinTimeIdiot
I think that's wondershowzen
whygeorgiawhy
Wondershowzen
TheGodEmperorOfChaos
beforetherewerememes
On the myth of “white trash radicals”: https://mobile.twitter.com/SarahTaber_bww/status/1314578622246719488
beforetherewerememes
TL;DR: It’s whites, but not the poor whites.
HeadedForEternity
That message reads a lot like what republican asshats spew though. “If you have a cell phone and refrigerator then you ain’t really poor”
HeadedForEternity
I do very much appreciate the perspective though.
beforetherewerememes
Yeah maybe “the impoverished don’t have time for protest” is a better line, and we completely disconnect income from the metric for “trash”.
FitzwilliamDarcy
Looks like my hometown Levittown PA. It has a pretty shitty history, still a pretty shitty area. A lot of ignorant, poorly educated racists.
1stKinkyWizard
Lovercraft country
LadyRosete
Woah hey neighbor. Bristol PA here
FitzwilliamDarcy
Most of my family is still there- I moved to south NJ 4 years ago. Cheaper taxes than lower bucks if you can believe it. ?
LadyRosete
Oh I can! Been looking at houses there myself!
FitzwilliamDarcy
Gloucester County is nice. Swedesboro has multiple school districts and they’re awesome. I can’t say enough after i went through BTSD.
ItHurtsGettingHitByACar
Tbf, I grew up in multiple apartments that offered section 8, those are not places you want to be.
RadicalLeftist
Yeah because its condensed poverty in a small area. The reason the suburbs bill will work is itl allow kids to go to better funded schools
torokunai
Section 8 is just shitty bankshot neoliberal socialism. Real solution is to build quality supply for everyone.
probshouldntsayitbut
In my work I have seen while there are some rules regarding obtaining and keeping assisted housing, nothing is checked or enforced ...
probshouldntsayitbut
so upstanding poor folks are stuck living next door to violent criminals, no one “snitches” due to fear of retaliation & failing jstc systm
mardukkur
If you were to design a system to make keep poor people trapped in suffering and poverty it would be public housing apartment complexes.
mardukkur
It's been known for decades that the way to turn affordable housing into self-sufficiency is to distribute it evenly by dedicating a % of...
trikucian
I wish we'd do it like in Japan. Build new apartments where the lower levels are smaller and more affordable and the higher more expensive
trikucian
And bigger, more rooms, etc
mardukkur
...new development to affordable housing. But this is exactly what the racist right hates with every fiber of their beings.
SisterMidnight
Things don’t happen in vacuums. Impoverished people are often desperate and without hope. I live in a nice suburb there’s section 8 housing>
SisterMidnight
bluemagister
Your second statement is anecdotal. Tall women or short men don't mean "men are taller than women" is a not a generally true statement.
SisterMidnight
And you think that trump’s statement is more accurate?
BluePaladin42
The first statement was anecdotal. The second doesn't prove that all section 8 housing is fine, but it DOES provide a counterpoint to the-
BluePaladin42
-first statement, and thus allows more than one viewpoint to be seen in the discussion. Simply dismissing it as anecdotal, especially-
BluePaladin42
-without making the same point on the FIRST statement, doesn't contribute to the conversation and is just being disingenuous.
bluemagister
It's not a counterpoint. The statement "most crime is low income" or whatever it was inherently carries the meaning of "not all".
DeplorableOracle
Please lower property value, I want to be able to afford a house.
rowingrowingrowing
I came here to say this. After selling our last house in 2013, we can not break back into the housing market. And we are old people!
johnvictor
Dear god, even here in the midwest with a lot of space house prices are going to the point that even at my income I may not be able to buy.
worldwarzero
I'm a homeowner, I also want you to afford a house.
Iliekbirbs
Me too. :(
redditmcredditface
yea when I bought my house I was paying $3k/yr in taxes, now its fucking $6k only after 8 years.I dont mow my lawn anymore, its not working.
fartser
This a million times! Lower those astronomical prices they have on 2 bedroom houses to something actually feasible
LooseyGooseyBrett
2 bedroom house near me is $100k or lease. Stop looking in neighborhoods priced beyond your means.
fartser
Don't be a daft cunt, unless I want to live in the middle of nowhere or next to meth addicts everything starts at least 80k
LooseyGooseyBrett
Its your choice. Those higher valued homes are ones that were built in an area that used to be considered the middle of nowhere.
BaconFuzz
Ya everyone just pack up your family, move away from your family, change your kids school, find a new job in another state!
AlvaBlack
My rent costs over half my paycheck... That is "increased" for rent.. I'm military... It's a cheap 2 bed apartment. Please, lower value lol
BlandSnow
WetAssOpposum
But but but, the people who bought a house in a hyper inflated market won’t make a return on their investments! /s
MarkRavingMad
Boomers: Worried about property Values for their McMansions no one will ever buy. Millenials:
DiscGolfMike
Ever consider moving? Plenty of places in the US where 200-300k gets you a mansion.
Rulesy
So just stop being poor /s
waltjrimmer
Well, OBVIOUSLY, you're either lazy or young or the wrong color or something causing you to be not rich, which is your fault, so you would>
waltjrimmer
>only bring crime and crack babies and, I don't know, violent video games or something to the neighborhood. Terrible person!
bosho
You probably can right now, just not anywhere you actually want to live
prediabetes
As a home owner, go ahead and lower my property value. I don't want to pay taxes on that shit.
CongenitalSlurpees
I just want to be able to afford a 1 bedroom apartment without having to make 3k a month after taxes.
KommSusserTod
To hope, perchance to dream.
FunctioningWorkaholic
You criminal!
robago
Please lower price of anything worth having—I want it.
copingcabana
Slumlords like Trumpster think "low income" means minority. They've so screwed up the economy, poverty is equal opportunity.
jelladelta
Here's another one. Grab your guns boys! Stand by.
vicsan2000
The only way I'm going to be able to buy a house is if I win the lottery or if some rick uncle dies and leaves it to me
LarvaLamp
Awe jeez, Rick!
tripletiddy
Lol! My uncle Rick is a heroin addict...
YourDownvotesNourishMe
*laughs in California*
Nightcaste
Your shit is expensive because it burns down every other year. Normal people don't have that problem.
YourDownvotesNourishMe
That statement tells me you get most of your information from memes. Crack open a book or a reputable source once in a while.
Nightcaste
So California hasn't had thousands of acres of wildfires every year for the past decade?
YourDownvotesNourishMe
Whether that's true or not is arbitrary. You claimed it's the reason why it's expensive to live here. And that is the stupid statement.
Aaronb1138
We really need the tail end of Gen X and MIllenials to stop eBay fight bidding each other for homes. 15+ years of hyperinflation.
thanatos777
It's not them, it's fucking investors, largely private equity buying up places to rent to people, which also drives up the price of rent. 1/
Aaronb1138
You have solid points, like vacancy tax, but we went from a consumer model of "I'd be an idiot to pay so much" to "I guess that's the price"
thanatos777
What we need is to incentivize *home*ownership, and disincentivize property as an investment; the biggest problem we have is the 2/
thanatos777
commoditization of housing. A vacancy tax would be a relatively easy, quick mitigation. 3/
chloramphenicolderivative
It should be lowered by increasing supply, not just pouring the inner cities problems into the suburbs.
PTMdragon
holy shit YOU HAVE A WAY TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF PROPERTY? dont just sit on that shit we need to get started!
chloramphenicolderivative
unfuck up zoning laws. Everybody wants to build, almost nobody is allowed to.
dontrike
They can build on abandoned KMarts and closed golf courses, not on woods, forests, and shit that's important.
PTMdragon
ohhhh you mean like opening the floodgates to developing wetland and national parks etc etc?
chloramphenicolderivative
How about replacing a shut down dry cleaners with an 8 story apartment building? The city of San Francisco didn't lie that
Jarjarthejedi
As a homeowner, agreed. Please lower property values so people can buy houses. They're insane right now :/
redtail62
Yes! Also so I don’t keep getting fkn screwed with yearly increases in tax appraisal... my salary “growth” isn’t parallel to that shit :/
rowingrowingrowing
We've made 5 asking price offers this summer. We loose out to people buying in cash, $200k over asking price, sight unseen, no inspection.
hauleraway
Where?
CrankFurry
Where?
rowingrowingrowing
Colorado.