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This is a typical day. The mindless task of telling people to constantly be quiet. Trust me, I hate doing it and I should not have to treat grown adults like children by reminding them that it is rude. Not only is it rude but it could land you in jail for a minimum of ten days or more if it continues. I once had someone get over 100 days because he just did not know when to stop.
Another minor thing that can escalate. Males are required to tuck shirts into their pants and some judges make a very big deal about it. Sometimes people just don't get it. This person in general was heard by the judge and ordered into custody. He fought, was tazered, and went to jail.
This is coming from working the metal detectors. I know that there are some jurisdictions that do allow you to bring your cellphone into the courthouse but the one I was at did not. It is a not just a safety issue but also very distracting. We did not even let lawyers or other officers bring them in.
This is a question I heard all too often. I know a lot of first timers get nervous when going to court and a lot of frequenters want to know what the judge will do. I can never explain exactly what will happen and I never know what the judge will do. There have been times where I was surprised what the judges did. If you have a lawyer they can advise you further.
This could be asked out of desperation or just ignorance but either way I do not have the power to release you.
This is probably one of the more common ways that people try to stay out of jail. They think the judge will have more sympathy for them if they bring their children with them to court. This does not work. You go to jail and your children are taken into the custody of Social Services if no one is available to take them. I have even seen where children have been: taken away from their mothers, sent into foster care, and never returned to their mothers for their entire minority. This is a very sad thing to do and crushed me every time I had to do it.
This is a very common thing that happens when someone does not want to come to court. This involves shutting down several city blocks and at least 4 hours of bomb sniffing dogs checking everything. We caught everyone who ever did this.
This is a common question I got along with bomb threat questions. I know there are a lot of crazy people out there that have nothing to lose and anything could set them off. I can only speak for myself but as I would stand in the courtroom I would try to keep thinking about what I would do if these types of situations ever did happen for real. It is tough to stay vigilant and very easy to succumb to complacency.
You would think murder would be on the top of the list and yes it can be, sometimes. But I think the worst things I have ever seen are those of emaciated children that were later murdered and/or sexually abused. It takes everything inside yourself not to want to take justice into your own hands but not everyone is guilty and you have to treat everyone the same.
Duties are not just to stand, look pretty and hassle people about their clothing and decibels. We also may be called out for prisoner transports, serve civil papers, work in the jail, work on the road. Everything you can do in law enforcement I have done at some time.
Depending on which court you work you may have a different judge everyday but sometimes the judge you guard is the same. Over time you develop a working relationship with your judge, getting to know the way they want things done and handled. I in no way ever put myself in any situation where I would ever ask the judge for any favors. I not only could have lost my job but could also be sued for it.
Well, I hope you enjoyed reading this. I did not see anything about bailiffs so I thought I would jump on the bandwagon and share my experiences. Feel free to ask any questions and if i get a lot I will most likely have to do another one of these. Stay out of trouble. :-D
*Front Page Edit* WOW! I kind of had a feeling I would make front page but look at all that green! THANK YOU! Anyway, I just finished reading all the comments and am currently working on another since there has been so much arguing about the dress code.
*EDIT* Part 2 http://imgur.com/gallery/91zbD
danieltorres2017
Women's shirts are usually more fitted, maybe that's why, or maybe this is just a very archaic rule.
motittiesmoproblems
I'm sorry but three duis should be more than 1 year I jail..
BlowDog
Local courts don't let you come in for any kind of service in shorts.
princemagic
It should be said you're not going to go to jail because of your shirt. You'd have to be an asshole, and keep being one despite warnings.
AxelSss
I honestly did think you just stand there and whatnot. I guess this post has served a purpose.
SegitaHunter
http://static.pokemonpets.com/images/monsters-images-300-300/153-Bayleef.png as European who grew up watching Pokemon
333Rich333
HashtagWhiteGirlProblems
As a Brazilian, born and raised - Thank you! I thought exactly the same thing and was in fact looking for a Bayleef pic to post.
DavidAndrews
My lawyer told me a story of a client he had once that showed up to court in a "fuck the police" t shirt.
DenverPostironic
"Emaciated, abused children." Good answer.
jeangaijin
I don't know if I could do this job, seeing people on the worst days of their lives, day after day. Kudos to you, sir.
katos1995
Sounds very challenging
UsChickens
*advice
Kitastrophe
To be fair, if all you did was stand there all day, I'd consider it a hard job. I'd run out of things to daydream about by like, day 3
wowheylookdotcom
I can make you feel better about the children being taken away if you want to hear. PM me.
shadowlev
As shitty as our foster care system is, I would be afraid that the lady with the DUIs would get her kids killed.
VaginaPedant
#6: Showing the court the young lives that you directly endanger with your behavior? *sigh*
FartedWhileMakingUpName
Showing your kids how shitty you can be as well.
roguefox
Hey, people who use their children as pawns to avoid the legal consequences of their fuck-ups: you're a selfish asshole!
littlemirrorsatourfeet
Why do people have to dress up for court? I definitely would, to try and make a good impression and be respectful, but this is America...
FaithfulWarthogSidekick
Thanks for sharing. People just do not know enough to shut up and realize their own powerlessness in that situation.
teuro
What is the shirt rule about. Seems silly and arbitrary to me. What does it achieve to put someone in jail over that?
princemagic
Dude, you're not being put in jail because of it. You'd have to be a total jerk with everyone involved.
teuro
"Tuck in your shirt" is arbitrary and is condescending. Enforcing it is a jerk move. Why do it?
teuro
In other words it's saying "I can fuck with you and I will." Not a good way to earn respect.
imhereforthepuppies
That mom shouldn't have her kids anyway. Fucking third dui. That's someone who's unfit to parent.
TheProLoser
It makes my heart happy when people post these stories truthfully. It's truly a great insights to a life different than your own. Thanks OP!
Ilovefatdogs
As a lawstudent. Thanks for your duty
Ponderpoo
As a proctologist, thanks for your duty.
Ilovefatdogs
Haha touché
wallsy
*legal advise*
KillingTheJoke1
CanadiansWilllRule
His syntax consistently sounded a little off, I was thinking ESL
addie2baddie
there it is
tylertimetimetime
You did it! You're helping!
twitchlove
Cool. Bailiffs are bad ass (attorney here). What's the most annoying thing that we do?
PastaSatan
As a law student, I'd like to know what it is so I never do it.
iammark
I'm a prosecutor. I'm in the courtroom all day. I enjoy laughing about defense attorneys, after a case, with the bailiffs.
Craptastic13
Yell "Objection!"?
princemagic
Have you ever been to Court?
Craptastic13
Nope.
princemagic
It's not like in the movies.
MosesJackson
As another lawyer, I'd also be interested in helpful things we do.
pizzahand
I don't get why people don't just do what they're asked or told to do. I'm a person that has problems with authority figures but you have to
JhericFury
I'd agree with this most of the time, but probably not if i thought the police/legal system were closing ranks.
pizzahand
do what you're told sometimes. That doesn't stop after you turn 18.
DevonGronka
I've been in a court twice. I was surprised at how many people didn't even know to dress nicely. Like, do you really just not even care?
WheresTheKeyForMyCBT
Im the opposite feeling, i'm amazed that law is somehow hindered by untucked shirts. does it pose a safety risk?
Gr00ver
Listening to too much Rage Against The Machine.
pizzahand
Never liked that band. But I've been stopped randomly a few times and the only trouble I had is when I talked shit for being stopped.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Yeah, indeed!
NothingISayIsTrue
Go to a court room one day. I had to sit in on a court room once for a class. It was painful to watch what they had to deal with.
carbonjen
You don't even have to go into a court room. What people wear to court sometimes is ridiculous.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
As a future public defender, what clients wear is both one of the biggest problems, and the least of my worries about their behavior.
carbonjen
I work in the courts and the way some people dress. I sit there in my clothes and I both envy and loathe them.
WrongUn
good post. 10days minimum in jail for 'not being quiet' will never be justified IMO, I don't care if it's a court room
Somanyquestions
I agree to some extent, but what do you suggest then when a guy just goes yelling and ranting and won't stop?
WrongUn
mmmmm, i know exactly where you're coming from but there has to be a compromise somewhere, im sorry. just how i feel
Winterfox
then remove him from the court room
Somanyquestions
Then how do you finish the trial? If the accused is gone, you can't keep going.
Slashinhobo
Not a good idea. Not many people(jurors) actually want to be in court so all day you'd hear people talking waiting to be kicked out.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
They warn you, I guess, before they throw you in jail, so if you keep talking, it's your own damn fault. Don't be an idiot in court.
WrongUn
i dont think its as black and white as that tho, is it? I can imagine scenarios where innocent people panic-talk, blind rage at false....
WrongUn
accusations and your life is on the line. i imagine it could be easy to fall into a rant in some cirumstances, don't you?
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Meh, if a security guard comes up to you 5 times, saying you'll be in jail if you keep talking, would you still panick-talk?
WrongUn
i like to think id have the restraint, but if y was trying to convince a court x raped y when x didnt, Id understand x if x goes ballistic
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
Yeah, but if x is smart, he'd know that they would believe him less if he'd go ballistic, right?
WrongUn
ok, this is just how i feel and we can always just disagree. i just dont think jail for talking out of turn will ever be right, it's just me
DotSlashNatalie
Tuck in your shirt? Seriously? Is the judge really that bad that his decision of guilty/innocent will be swayed by the clothes I wear?
ThatOnePolarBearOnTheLeft
The way the defendant looks and acts can make a difference, yeah.
gengeorgewashington
You have to remember that despite what you might see on Judge Judy, courts are still very formal and structured. Judges are busy people,(1)
gengeorgewashington
And would be more than happy to push back your case if they don't get their way in their courtroom. Talking as a son of a lawyer.
MrAwesomesauce101
The Judge doesn't have that kind of authority to declare someone innocent or guilty that goes to the Jury of twelve. He can do sentencing.
DotSlashNatalie
Actually he can overturn a guilty verdict - http://www.minicklaw.com/can-a-judge-overturn-a-jurys-guilty-verdict/
MrAwesomesauce101
The Jury decides but if he believes the Jury is not in the best in it's thought process he can overturn it.
Diabolikal
no but it shows respect and decorum
TheLordLucifersBannedAccount02
I have no respect for any court that'd sentence someone for weed.
penguing
But does it really though?
dpidcoe
If you can't follow an instruction like "tuck in your shirt", why should I trust you can follow instructions like "don't drink and drive"?
penguing
Its just a weird instruction to give.
dpidcoe
Depends on where you live. There's a huge difference in socially acceptable levels of formality between the east and west coast, for example
Jwtc2000z
Sqlut
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi305Nrc-uE with music and all
MasterAralo
I lol'd for real. How long have you been waiting to use this?
LionheartAce
Forever. You did him justice.
DemiXIII
Send in the dancin' lobsta's!
VariksTheLoyal
+1 for you, sir/ma'am
HungryPumpkn
Craaaaaab people, Craaaaaab people...
Rockageddon
The real story we want to hear.
WhoLovesPie
I do miss that show...
MunsterZero
Cthulu did nothing wrong
StandardWhiteBoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6vn-mN42RM
Thor1229
"Being in the dancing lobsters!"
Thor1229
I really miss Amanda Bynes.
ConsensualDinosaurSex
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MotherofMrFace
DarkUranium
Beowylf
Dude jus mad he can't dance. :U
Utahraptor
thenegrocommunityfrownsuponyourshenanigans.jpg
ABadManWithABeard
"Respect the court." "No." Jail time. Yeah... Yeah don't see any overinflated sense of importance there at all.
MusculusSternocleidomastoideus
They warn you, I guess, before they throw you in jail, so if you keep talking, it's your own damn fault. Don't be an idiot in court.
Somanyquestions
If they are no consequence to being rude and crazy, it would be a complete zoo all the time. Do you just let the guy rant for 2 hours?
ABadManWithABeard
That's disruption of. If what you're doing hinders the ability of the court to proceed, fine. If your shirt's untucked? Fuck that.
pourquoipas
The dude told the Bailiff to fuck off, and then things escalated. That's not acceptable behaviour in Court.
ABadManWithABeard
If we were wasting court time on whether or not I was considered "presentable" to His Fucking Majesty I'd tell him to fuck off too.
AustralianHandstandChamp
I don't know if you CAN overinflate in the importance of the courts. They're the only thing that keep us from either anarchy or martial law.
ABadManWithABeard
The court is there to render a decision based on law, not to have its dick sucked and told how pretty and special it is.
MrAwesomesauce101
It's meant to interpret the law not go directly by the books. That's the Police's/ executive branches job.
diabolicaljazz
Courts keep us from martial law in what way?
MrAwesomesauce101
Courts as a body are a way to mediate conflicts and go back to Royal courts and counts using their judgement to negotiate conflicts.
LvAllen
Who throws out evidence that police collect in violation of the 4th Amendment?
diabolicaljazz
So you're saying that police power is checked by the court system? THAT is an interesting point.
MrAwesomesauce101
In addition they interpret the laws that are drafted by legislatures and enforced by an executive branch. Making a system of balances.
dpidcoe
If the courts disappeared tomorrow, martial law would have to be declared in order to prevent anarchy.
diabolicaljazz
That's not actually any more specific than the first time you said it.
dpidcoe
Uh... this is the first time I said it?
turbojelly
Rule 1 of dealing with Law Enforcement: Be polite and helpful. The less hassel you are the more likely they will be lenient with you.
DragonMaus
I'd call that Rule 1 plus the Twit's Corollary. Why not be polite and helpful because they have a tough job and it's the nice thing to do?
turbojelly
Plus, if they have a mind to, they can really ruin your day.
AlexPanciera
And if you're black, they'll be slightly less likely to pull out their gun and shoot you eight times for 'attacking them'.
Mahourai
I'll be polite and helpful to law enforcement the first time they're polite and helpful to me. I'm only 30, there's still time.
DruidNature
A lot of them will be, if you are to them. If you aren't, they likely won't be. Take it into your own hands mate.
vowofloudness
They said the same thing about you.
HPLovecraftWatchesMeSleep
Absolutely. When I was a patrol officer and I stopped someone, if they started with "Good morning/aft/evening" I never ticketed them. Ever.
turbojelly
On more than one occasion a friend and I have been pulled over by the police. When asked my name I always offered my drivers license. 1/2
turbojelly
When asked to get out the car I would leave my keys on the car so I couldn't run. Never got searched, always was carrying dope.
alexburgers
I wish, I was polite and got ticketed 2 months' savings anyway. :(
HPLovecraftWatchesMeSleep
No doubt. There are cops who'll ticket anyone. My line in the sand was being polite. But some guys will ticket their own mother.
DevonGronka
A while ago there was a guy arrested for hiking with a loaded AR. When the police asked why he had it, his answer was "because I can" 1/2
DevonGronka
and then proceeded to be rude and short with the police. Fox news was outraged that he got arrested. It was absolutely ridiculous seeing2/3
DevonGronka
peoples' reactions.
dpidcoe
Technically he was correct though.
Ginocide
The best kind of correct.
DevonGronka
yeah. but if you act blatantly rude to a cop while holding a weapon, their assumption really should be that you are dangerous.
Gr00ver
"Males are required to tuck shirts into their pants and some make a very big deal about it" The fuck? What if I show up in a skirt or dress?
HermanManly
I'd gladly take a couple of days in jail over giving some stuck up judge the satisfaction of watching me tuck my shirt in on his command
ShaunSchaf
make sure to not cause any problems, or your new friend "Big Joe" has some fun later..
edwardelricsnipples
If the dude who didn't tuck in his shirt was any indication, you'll be ordered into custody
ericagxxxx
Mom always told me to dress like a lawyer in the court. I also live in Memphis. There's not really a dress code. People wear their pjs
vaunkerjack
Your mom had low expectations of you.*My little ericagxxx is going to be spending a lot of time defending himself in court as he gets older*
ericagxxxx
It was more situational? Like oh, you got a speeding ticket, dress nice.
ericagxxxx
Also, I'm a girl hence the "a" in my name
WrongUn
"well we were gonna look at the evidence sir to decide your fate, but more importantly- your shirt's untucked and this displeases me!"
Gr00ver
That's why you need to come in a dress. All he can tell you then is that your shoes don't go well with your stockings.
Studoku
But what if your lawyer is wearing the same dress? It'd be so embarrassing!
Gr00ver
Well, we'd have to coordinate before going to court. Wouldn't want to risk wearing the same high heels either.
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RockyKev
"Sir, this is a courtroom. You can't wear that" I WEAR WHAT I WANT.
derpipotato
Whether we like it or not the way we dress and the way we look affects how people perceive us, so something's got to give, I guess.
Aaaargh
I'm so glad we don't have trial by jury...
daelith
Sure, but a mandatory dress code? How about no?
MrAwesomesauce101
Would you meet the President wearing beat up overalls and a snapback?
daelith
I don't care to meet the president at all, but yes, I would meet him in overalls. What the hell is a snapback?
Threns
I love when people throw that question at me. "Sure, I honestly don't give a fuck and if he's worth a shit, he won't either."
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Remember that Chris Rock video about how not to get shot by police? Remember when all it said was show respect and do as you are told? 1/2
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
2/2 If you are in front of a judge and they are deciding your fate, trying to look decent is a small think to ask in return.
Threns
And some people's concept of 'decent' is a deplorable mess. Subjectivity does not belong in a Judge.
IHatePuns
Thats still bullshit though. Someone's fate is more important than a fuckin dress code. It seems really petty.
HermanManly
Not if the judge does their job right and decides on EVIDENCE and not fucking FIRST IMPRESSIONS like a 14 year old teen choosing her partner
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Seems to me that the way a person presents themselves to a stranger is pretty indicative of their outward impression of society as a whole.
HackerJacker
It's also a petty and pointless consideration for a judge to make. A judge who takes it into account is a poor judge
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
Judges are allowed to take character into consideration. Being too poor to afford decent clothing is one thing, dressing like a slob 1/
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
2/ demonstrates to the judge that you have no respect for the law. Now, I agree that a judge shouldn't take fashion into consideration 2/
HackerJacker
dress =/= character. Any arsehole can wear a suit
Gr00ver
Again, what if I show up in a dress?
LvAllen
Is it a nice dress?
Gr00ver
Of course!
HarryDresdenIsMySpiritAnimal
As stated, all I said was look nice and be respectful. It isn't a fashion show. Show the court you are serious about your defense.
PhiIIipJFry
So you're saying because a person dresses differently from the norm they aren't serious about their own defense?
mytola
I agree. Stupid rule. You should be able to wear what the fuck you want.
azurepenguin
Everybody says that but it's not true. Everybody judges.
Aaaargh
Exactly, Lady Justice is blindfolded for a reason!
MrAwesomesauce101
Its a court room for Christ sake. If everyone dresses their best the Jury would be less biased towards the poorer/richer party.
JhericFury
Because rich people's suits look the same as cheap suits.
Threns
rofl based on what logic? If you're poor you probably have more important shit to spend your money on than a suit rental for a day in court.
MrAwesomesauce101
If you have a series of people wearing different clothes people are going to perceive them you guessed it, differently.
Threns
I don't know if you missed my point or decided it was irrelevant: Unless the court is providing this uniformity, money is an obstacle to it.
MrAwesomesauce101
uniformity levels the playing field especially in a Court Room where theyre's little room for bias.
demut
Fucking fascists ...
MasterAralo
Actually very common to have transgenders and cross dressers. Most of them were in court for prostitution charges.
USPS
Is there genuinely something wrong with leaving their cellphones with you? That's a hell of a lot of trust buddy
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Yep. Or drugs. Usually both.
DoomEndures
I'm serious here. How can I let the judge know I don't have any respect for him without getting thrown in jail?
Beefski
Tell him when he's off duty I guess. Unless he summons some sort of impromptu court, then you fucked.
ThePeoplesCartographer
"How can I poke this lion with a sharp stick and not get eaten." Don't poke the lion, dummy. Only idiots fark with judges.
Gr00ver
Oh... Well, I'm not too worried about that happening anytime soon.
Blze001
Because you don't wear skirts or dresses, or because you're really good at being a sneaky prostitute?
CarlosSpicyweiner
(Said as he's changing out of his dress)
Gr00ver
Hey! No looking!
Blze001
Because you don't wear skirts or dresses, or because you're really good at being a sneaky prostitute?
Gr00ver
I don't think I would be good at being any kind of prostitute...
FaxCelestis
Care to find out?
Annutty
hate to be THAT person, but... transgender is not a noun. a better way to phrase it is transgender people/folks/women/men/etc. thanks
ExperimentKraj
Came here to say this, will try and help get you out of downvote hell...
revcleo
It's more like transgender is not a verb, you do not have transgender done to you, like people are not straighted, shorted or blacked.
revcleo
The usage as a descriptive noun is fine, but saying, "a transgender" seems dehumanising, in the same way as, "a black walked in" would be.
Annutty
yes, that is my main point
revcleo
Yeah, your phrasing was just a bit off, transgender can be ok as a noun, like blue or glass. It's all contextual.
gengeorgewashington
Colloquial terminology
SarcasticComment
"The Transgender Transgender Transgendered down the street Transgenderly"
Studoku
Transgender transgenders transgender transgenders transgender transgender transgender transgenders.
SarcasticComment
*transgenderly
trelina
Was this part "hate to be THAT person, but... " really necessary? Your point would have come across a lot better without it
grumpatsurrisrex
I think it is necessary. A lot of people are assholes about correcting others. I appreciate acknowledgement that it can be annoying.
grumpatsurrisrex
This isn't a bad comment. People are idiots. Thanks for providing information without assuming anything about the original commenter.
diabolicaljazz
Imgur loves to conflate being-asked-politely-to-use-correct-terminology with oppressed-freedom-of-speech-murrica-tumblrsuckslol.
Squossifrage
Gay is not a noun either, yet it is commonly used as one, as are many other adjectives. Deal with it.
Annutty
doesnt make it right
Squossifrage
It's a legitimate construct of the English language. Did you write to Martin Scorsese to complain about naming a film The Departed?
Studoku
You don't understand how language works, do you?
Studoku
Are you a Tumblr?
Annutty
nope, i never go to tumblr. i am trans
MostTriumphant
You just broke your own rule.
MostTriumphant
You just broke your own rule.