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AxisOfIndifference
What don't you understand about divide and conquer?
St0ckh01m5yndr0m3
vampirehedgehog
smorsdoeuvres
YES!! Would be nice to get back to “Liberty For ALL” & some “Evidence Based Science”.
MoreAshyThanLarry
Politics is like a football game where one side wins and the fans always lose.
NegentropyX
Social media makes filter bubbles and echo chambers for your beliefs. Soon, all you hear is what you thought. Next step, polarized country.
TheosophicBlues
If that is what you want, you certainly agree way more with one than the other.
hateanyway
so, you're a democrat. got it.
TheLastSpaceman
Politician:
Hypnomancy
Fucking exactly.
Cheomesh
So...mainstream democrats?
UsuallyRespondsWGIFs
Neo-liberal mainstream democrats are no different than republicans.
melodramaticbat
Yeah they are
UsuallyRespondsWGIFs
Right because HRC wasn't pro fracking, pro military industrial complex, pro bank bail outs, and pro prison industrial complex?
marsgoose
Are they paying you to say this? How do I get that gig?
Cheomesh
Nope. Never was a member. Only party I ever belonged to was the Republican Party.
Olystubbies
but the media tells me I have to pick a side and fight with everyone that doesn’t agree with me
insomniac24x7
The media tells you? You don’t do critical thinking? Hmmm
Olystubbies
you don’t do satire do you? hmmmm. lol
insomniac24x7
Crap lol
Olystubbies
sadly the majority of folks anymore don’t do critical thinking.
CandidGamera
They all claim to do it satirically.
PiggyWobbles
"I want a government that promotes equality and scientific advancement" is not a centrist position nowadays unfortunately.
dustball23
The right does NOT like science. This post is weird as fuck
MoondanceRadio
That position is now regarded as hard left.
pontiacbandit
Right? I have terrific news: if you want those things you're a Democrat!
DangerousNoodle
I take no sides in politics, just agree with certain view points and ideas, others keep trying to label me into a group.
KNIVESY
PatrickWalletMeme.jpg
jukkz
"So you're a cuck/nazi then?"
IMayNotReplyToYou
??
LazyPoultry
Well then you agree with the left. Congratulations.
Idontspellcheck
No OP agrees with the right.
UsuallyRespondsWGIFs
mginster
Then elect leaders to the right that fit this.
Rexli78
I always find it funny how the right claims to support science and equality. And then elects racists and climate change deniers.
oldmanrye
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-liberals-war-on-science/
ArkUmbrae
lmao the article cites a book by a guy who said Obama was on the far left, and uses Bill Maher as its best left example. It's also from 2013
dajakers
So facts have an expiration date? Please explain.
ArkUmbrae
no facts there, just statistics, and those do have exp. dates, especially considering how turbulent the political scene has been since '13
dajakers
k, Thanks.
TakWriterOfWorlds
This doesn’t prove what you think it does.
oldmanrye
It does. You are thinking like it's a contest. This shows a larger trend than most people think that there is anti science on the other side
TakWriterOfWorlds
This is just acknowledging that the left has problems too. Which we are all aware of. When it comes to anti-science though that’s all right.
insomniac24x7
Umm I don’t think this article is what you think it is. And please remember which side out right denies climate change.
jukkz
Would be nice if we could have more open discussions about things without it immediately leading to ad hominem shitshows. Would be nice if..
jukkz
algorithms wouldn't put people in filter bubbles so much. It's good to know why you have your convictions. Like how you might learn that...
jukkz
1+1 = 2 without knowing any addition whatsoever just because you were told it was. It takes a deeper understanding to actually do math.
jukkz
Tho I guess outrage generates more ad revenue so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
terrorofthederp
But which version of equality? And which bits of science? Dont want any of that foreign science, coming over here and stealing our swabs.
BitchButcher
Some say it's equality when everyone has to pay their own personal medical bills. It's not that easy ;)
jukkz
Version 3.48. Mostly because 3.47 caused BSODs in some configurations.
LuminousExpanse
coming over here and saying gender has no basis in reality
Allrighty
You did read beyond the headline, right?
LuminousExpanse
i did yes
Allrighty
So you're deliberately misrepresenting it, then?
LuminousExpanse
go on
kthnxbye
If you don’t take sides, you are on the side of nothing. Give me net neutrality, a strong social safety net, environmental protections, 1/
kthnxbye
...consumer protections, science funding, unfettered access to abortion, LGBT etc rights, and you can totally keep all your guns.
kthnxbye
Also healthcare reform and lower college costs.
kthnxbye
All that and you can keep your guns and you can even zone your small rural towns to have nothing but churches and Cracker Barrels in them.
Comet260
Thanks a lot! Now I want an AR-15, an abortion AND a chicken-fried steak! Though the abortion might be hard cuz I have a penis....
jerome5500
You didn't need to add "Barrel". They would be fine with only crackers allowed!
mginster
The right actively denies science and non-white people...so...
mginster
I get this doesn’t help the point of the argument, so elect leaders that fit this norm then and maybe it can be both sides.
IMayNotReplyToYou
Are you some sort of retard? Of course you are because you think a statistic is racist ? facts don't care aviut your feelings
mginster
Plus I never said racist, but don’t let that stop you from jumping to conclusions.
IMayNotReplyToYou
For example, the stat. That everyone knows, 13%of the pop. Commit 50% of the crimes. That % is black people, thats not racist, imbacil
mginster
Proof or stfu with your incoherent 3rd grade level ramblings. Jesus man, you sound like a moron, and will never see it.
IMayNotReplyToYou
*gives statistic* "Proof" ? no one cares if you get offended, facts are facts and grow a pair to deal with it, retard
IMayNotReplyToYou
Im center right, and don't hate black people, honestly i don't think anyone does, its just not a thing anymore. I follow facts and science
IMayNotReplyToYou
Also most lefties lile the gender trans thing. We have differening opinions, not believing facts is stupid, having different opinions is not
HolyCringeLordBatman
"Like the gender trans thing". No, 'leftists' follow the science on the matter, conservatives don't know the difference between basic temrs
oldmanrye
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-liberals-war-on-science/
mginster
Sure people can be dumb, proving your group is dumber doesn’t really help you bud.
oldmanrye
You people are so focused on proving the other wrong. To fix problems you need to accept there are issues when pointed out. Right and left.
mginster
We aren’t the ones trying to provide an article claims one is dumber than the other.
mginster
You are so stuck on a talking point, you can’t even reason. Poor thing.
Cheomesh
You only read the headline.
oldmanrye
Nope, you are just seeing like it's a contest. 41% ain't small. Just pointing out its larger than people think. That's all.
mginster
So your argument is that your group is dumber? Because that is literally what this article states.
oldmanrye
Not my group. I'm usually a 3rd partier. Just pointing out the left is also dumb. It ain't the bastion of reason that many portray.
KNIVESY
Sssssssssssso you agree with everyone on the left.
IMayNotReplyToYou
Hopefully no one does, or this country will get way too soft and cucked
TakWriterOfWorlds
The ‘16 DNC debates had a guy bragging about killing a guy the RNC had Jeb.
KNIVESY
Arguably better than being the Biff Tannen of countries. Or a rabid dog.
DisgruntledFerret
I'd advise taking "cucked" out of your vocabulary.
AmateurCaulkRingEnthusiast
Found the cuck
IMayNotReplyToYou
?? you got 20 downvotes, man this site is full of cucks
AmateurCaulkRingEnthusiast
Its really not surprising.
Heffe3737
yoonsas
Big brain centrism
Vaanhalen
I miss this meme. The good old days!
duhleted
How centrist of you.
OneVeryNiceDude
The post didn’t say left and right are idiots. It’s merely implying our problems are too complex for us to bicker about red vs blue
WhyPickAName
Caboose, you team-killing fucktard!
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WhyPickAName
I mean, they finished making the last season. idk if you meant that you didn't watch it but they made it and season 17 premiered last week.
MericanNightmare
I mean yes, but when one side is anti science 99 percent of the time, that should factor into how you vote.
MericanNightmare
Down vote me all you like, if you have evidence to the contrary I'd love to hear it.
TheSecondPiewackit
I got you back up to one. I agree. Granted, anti-vaxxers tend more often to be lefties, I feel like.
MericanNightmare
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-vaccines-autism-links-anti-vaxxer-us-president-false-vaccine-a8331836.html
howaboutnothankyouverymuch
r/enlightenedcentrism
SomeCrazyNerd
That subreddit is pretty cancerous though. They hate anyone who isn't hard left and literally accuse centrist of being fascist collaborators
Metatality
almost nothing there is hard left, it's center left. if it looks hard left to you, you might pretty far to the right.
SomeCrazyNerd
I don't think calling everyone else a fascist is center left. I favoured Bernie during 2016 primaries but god lawd the generalisations
SomeCrazyNerd
In policy ideas, not much that I noticed. In rhetoric towards others, definitely hard. Rhetoric is the main creator of radicalism imo
mangoinparis
That would be the left.
SigmarBlessYou
Except GMOs. I don't understand why many on the left can't be bothered to understand them.
NotACanadian
And nuclear power.
Mooniekate
The problem with GMOs isn't the science, it's the patent/seed monopoly issue.
dajakers
Which is used as an excuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
GlobalConstitution4all
At first I thought you were uneducated in history, but when I realized it was an equality joke, I literally laughed. Made my morning. TY
TrumbullLocal
Ok
Irishda
The right: "Climate change is a lie. Trickle down works. Black people, muslims, and Mexicans are dangerous." But hey, BOTH sides
oldmanrye
Left does too. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-liberals-war-on-science/
Irishda
But consider their objections as opposed to Republicans and what their solutions would entail. Conservative objections are inherently
Irishda
Regressive, as it requires the clinging to old ideals. Progressive ideals on the other hand are a change into the unknown. Therefore what is
captain5
HAHAJA Obama bombed kids in Pakistan via drones nbd.
Irishda
Which I agree is wrong but it's not exactly what we're talking about here
Usstiberiusk
Trump has increased the bombings and introduced a law saying they don’t have to reveal how many civilians they kill anymore. Your point?
captain5
Tit for tat then. No one party is better
rhubarbarian
Trump's proposed budget cuts science: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/03/trump-once-again-requests-deep-cuts-us-science-spending
oldmanrye
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-liberals-war-on-science/
xKaraKx
Dont forget the late term abortions in blue newyork
Zokalwe
Very weak article, that fails to make the crucial distinction between having a non-scientific position and using power to suppress science.
KartFnocker
this is not a very good article for your point. Right at the very start, it notes that 41% of dems are young earth creationists, and 19% ///
KartFnocker
doubt climate change. Sounds bad. However, the stats for the other side are 58% and 51%. Nobody should argue that the left is perfect on ///
removekarling
Also worth saying, 'dems' doesn't at all equate to left; it's everywhere from center right to left. I'd argue it's even everywhere from (1)
removekarling
solidly right to left, but it is certainly indisputably center right to left at least.
KartFnocker
ALL science, there are crazy anti-vaxers and anti-GMO nuts for sure. But that it's better overall? Definitely.
oldmanrye
The point isnt a contest. Just pointing out there is a larger amount anti science than most think. That's all.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Exactly.
Guideaux
Meh, both sides are pretty dumb on a regular basis
shosty5
Agree with that. But both are just trying to make sense of their given ideological territory in a given zeitgeist.
eggmuffin
TransparentMan
IMayNotReplyToYou
Left is more, centre right is where to ve
Usstiberiusk
Guideaux
Yeah a chart!
HolyCringeLordBatman
Yeah, only ONE Party has a fucking 50% EVOLUTION DENIAL RATE. One party can't pass grade-school biology.
findtheotters
We are your friends and they are the enemy is how politics work. Seriously, we need to stop voting for this black and white assholes.
TresusIbor
Racist :(
findtheotters
We are your friends and they are the enemy is how politics work. Seriously, we need to stop voting for this left and right assholes.
crusad
Define “promotes equality”
chrispydtankPS4
I got a lot of flak for not picking a side.. I literally pick ideas and agendas etc from both sides if it makes sense, logical n evidence
puffyjacket69
If you want equality and science then you're mostly left tho. Vote that way, encourage others.
puffyjacket69
The people downvoted this are delusional trumptards,and it shows. Climate denial, fact denial, economics denial, xenophobia. GOP in spades.
brap
So...you disagree with the right.
MemeOverlord3000
Right religious nutcases want a functional government, equality and scientific advances?
notinitforthepoints
They don't
MemeOverlord3000
Is there even such a thing as a right winger who wants equality?
thrashinuva
Republicans want equality. Democrats want equity.
Olystubbies
I would say I’m fairly conservative. I am also all for equal rights.
mardukkur
“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”
brap
Yes. And they see themselves as the oppressed.
GlobalConstitution4all
Give me liberty, affordable healthcare, a free internet, and space travel, or give me death!
ASpitefulLurker
affordable = weasel word
marsgoose
That's contradictory, unless you want liberty for yourself but not for others.
ButterfaceTaintClown
SOCIALIST!!!!!!
ButterfaceTaintClown
/s
Vaanhalen
Nah, "Free healthcare or death" is basically socialism in a nutshell. You were right. More like "and/or death"
likeumreal
Then you probably need to vote Democrat. Sorry if that doesn't fit people's views of both parties being equally bad and FU if it does.
SnartHelg
Democrats won't do shit, they're a fake opposition. Socialism or barbarism, baby!
likeumreal
Something tells me you don't vote much.
SnartHelg
I haven't missed an election since '06.
likeumreal
Well I hope you voted for the party that's for gay marriage, expanding access to healthcare, and other progressive policies.
PeteButtigieg
>60 percent of Americans want single payer healthcare. Dems won't deliver because their pockets are lined by the same people Repubs are.
likeumreal
Lol "affordable healthcare" and "single-payer" are 2 sides/same coin. GOP wants to get rid of Obamacare which is far from perfect.
PeteButtigieg
Absolutely not the same thing but I can understand why you think that.
likeumreal
They're part of some form of making healthcare affordable using public funds. Single payer is simply one version of that. (I'm for it too)
enigma55
Thank you! It always seems like blue vs red?!?! The countries issues aren’t that simple!
XeononSolomon
Do you ever wonder why we are here?
TryingToMakeaRedVsBlueReferenceAllTheTime
I just the weirdest feeling of déja vu
jukkz
Why are we here? Just to suffer?
Pseudosim
Because fearmongering gets good ratings and gets assholes into office
impossibleodds
almost like the rich and powerful know that highly loyal and deeply divided societies are the recipe to stay rich and powerful :thonking:
PhoKingYu
The people who downvoted you seem to think that it is a simple fix...
Retromorphic
Communist! To the gulg with you! Yes you heard correctly.
MericanNightmare
Red has taken a straight up anti science position. Trump is heading the next climate research effort with a climate denier. Seems simple...
QuickLighting53
No kidding. Anyone who still supports the anti science party isn't worth the time of day.
MericanNightmare
It's just more false equivalency bs to try and make Republicans seem reasonable
johnrocks
People argue believing that slippery slope isn't a fallacy. "If they do this thing I agree with, they'll eventually do this thing I don't."
Unfortunate2
Slippery slope is only a fallacy when there's no evidence to support it happening. Too many act as if it can only be a fallacy, thatsnotgood
johnrocks
It's an argument that suggests taking a minor action will lead to major and sometimes ludicrous consequences as if there wouldn't be checks/
johnrocks
/between activity A and activity Z.
Unfortunate2
Yes, and in some cases you can reasonably believe it would continue on and be a slippery slope.
openbobspls
Bi partisan philosophy is the country’s issue though.
TongueTiedLabourerfromtheLandoftheLittlePeople
Saying you're going to ban/defend guns/abortion/whatever is a *lot* easier/more profitable than fixing the healthcare system.
Ninjainslippers
I honestly think we can all agree on 95% of issues that politics addresses. But instead we focus on the 5%, get nothing done and hate people
BukkakeRider3000
Ninjainslippers
Neither alligators nor manatees give a fuck about you either, but I'd rather deal with manatees.
BunkerJohn
I see it as a giant purple dumpster fire tbh.
FistingWithJalapenoDoritoFingers
We need a purple
GDSTEVE
Libertarians are the purple. We are the only party that allows differing views, just so long as government doesn't dictate those views.
StewedTomaters
Yeah, I don't want to live in that kind of a world, sorry. I kind of like that it's harder to set a river on fire nowadays.
GDSTEVE
Wow, so you openly welcome government control of what is socially and morally acceptable? You would make an obedient slave.
StewedTomaters
What, like a company dumping shit in a river? I'm all for social libertarianism, I don't support a completely deregulated society where
eriksarcasm
Simple explanations for simple minds. Politics for Dummies.
Gribblecillin
9/11 was bad.
MateriaCaelestis
fckadillybitzhazsnigaz
Lets hope the USA changes their flawed retarded only 2 party system which doesn't work in favor of their own citizen i.imgur.com/eLdoAKn.jpg
ExecutorHideo
There are more than two parties, its just that both current parties in power use "donations" and gerrymandering to make them the only option
ThatLoserTheFourth
That and actively discouraging 3rd party voters with the whole "a vote for a 3rd party is a vote for my opponent" bs
ExecutorHideo
Or, "If you think a single vote doesnt matter, try voting for a third party. Then your vote REALLY wont matter."
Redisia
Where i live there is a maximum wage for government officials to prevent shenanigans and corruption.
ExecutorHideo
Unfortunately, I do not live where you live. I live in America. Also unfortunately, wage caps can lead to "Donations" in turn for favors...
Redisia
Donations, bonuses etc are all covered in this maximum wage.
leodavinci1
Yeah... because the multi-party systems in place in most of europe are doing so well.
fckadillybitzhazsnigaz
11 countries in the EU are higher on the freedom scale than the USA which is only like number 23 lol. So yes they are.
TheCarolingian
Griff vs Simmons?
jedionslaught
There is only one "f" on Grif
greach
They need to get rid of political parties and vote on a list of things to get done. Politicians would simply be tasked with getting it done
NotACanadian
This is effectively a single party system, which has the efficiency benefit you mentioned but has its one slew of problems.
Ninjainslippers
Word. We could agree on so many individual issues and just get shit done while still debating the few we disagree on.
CraftedLine
This is actually the best idea I've seen. Get it done or get out.
cannonesshannah
A.I. ... what's the A stand for?
Stratego89
Artificial.
iwenttousersubandalligotwasthislousyusername
Oh... So what does the I stand for?
FistingWithJalapenoDoritoFingers
Intelligence
NotACanadian
Centrist here. Even though you disagree with both parties/both parties disagree with you, you still have to take some kind of side to see 1/
NotACanadian
2/ your ideas put into practice.
spetcnaz
The Republican party had constantly done all it can in the last few decades to have the opposite of a functioning government.
FixedsysLabs
Yeah, I mean. It’s life that if we’re living like this we’re already dead.
Notme68
That's B.S. It is only one party that is ACTIVELY trying to suppress equality and scientific advancement.
MericanNightmare
This is so glaringly obvious, it scares the shit out of me that so many people don't see this.
FunAlternativeFact
Agreed! Just saying “both sides are bad” shows a seriously lack of awareness.
leodavinci1
It's the only sign of awareness.
CraftedLine
Like one side who will promise anything to get elected, without delivering, and another that'll tell the truth. Which party legalized gay ¹
CraftedLine
Marriage? Obama was against it. Which side voted to go to war, well on the Clinton's were all for it. You act like these people care. ²
Notme68
You're essentially equating a few cuts to a hemoraging wound.
CraftedLine
Politicians generally have under 10 speaking points/platforms for the masses to get behind. Outside of that the average citizen doesn't care
CraftedLine
Are you aware Obama voted to decrease low income housing during his time in Chicago? Review his voting record. That wasn't his platform.
kindpanda
The other one, amirite?
saerk91
Only republicans are doubling down on climate change denial and embracing white nationalism. The republican one, it's the Republican one.
Olystubbies
embracing white nationalism? please tell me you’re joking
saerk91
Republicans have been pandering to racists for decades, they're just more open about it now. Go look up the Southern Strategy.
Pseudosim
I know right. Its not like the other party is denying that sex exists oh wait.
Ninjainslippers
Gender and sex are not mutually exclusive. If I believe in intelligence it doesn't mean I don't believe in the physical brain.
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vonsnaxington
This has been on my mind a lot lately. Feels like everyone wants you to pick a side and dig in your heels.
SpaceCatJeffy
commanderpanic
sgtxsarge
Beat me to it
Stratego89
I'm so indescribably happy I saw this as a reply.
ApexLegend117
Season 17 started!!! OORAH
PhoKingYu
SARGE!
Phinalize
I can't wait for that Master Chief collection to come out
SideEffectsOfJuice
I'm gonna play the literal shit out of them. Only wish it was all of them, as I've already played everything in MCC except ODST.
Phinalize
I played up to Halo 4 I believe, when I had an Xbox but I'm so excited for MCC
TheBretters
Yea but one side has historically and consistently pushed against equal rights and scientific advancement more than the other.
TheBretters
Also to clarify since I've been defending democrats on this thread. I hate them to just not as much.
ThatTransformersDude
Idk the Guild of Calamitous Intent has grown over the years
TheSecondPiewackit
The passing of the Sovereign in 2016 was a terrible blow, though.
ThatTransformersDude
They will rebuild. I had my doubts about this new council but Dr. Mrs. The Monarch and Phantom Limb have done a great job so far
TheSecondPiewackit
If only that Blue Morpho asshole would quit mucking things up..
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
*since the 1960's
ICarpeYourDiems
You aren't voting on history. You're voting on the slate before you.
WiqidBritt
Yeah, I mean... what can you learn from history? None of that matters!
ICarpeYourDiems
Me? I've learned that voting by "one side has historically" gets your vote taken for granted. You do you, though.
TheBretters
You don't vote in a vacuum though. History is important.
GotDamnLochnessMonster
From a historical perspective that would absolutely be the left.
TheSecondPiewackit
{Citation needed}
MericanNightmare
So we're just gonna gloss over Medicare, voting rights, the five day work week, the minimum wage and desegregation? Okay.
StewedTomaters
The female body has a whole way to shut this down.
pontiacbandit
And right now, it's the right. And since we're voting in the current day, great news! Vote for Democrats to get all these things!
IPlayWithFire
Oh you must be talking about the democrats. Who historically wanted to keep slavery. Then wanted to keep segregation. I could go on
RagtimeRaver
You know those Democrats were conservative while Republicans were the more liberal party, right? They have since swapped platforms.
Boshanks
Not true at all.
khele
This side should also sometimes ask itself "is this particular thing equal now? ok, lets stop pushing".
AKisHome
Believe it or not, both sides think they are being oppressed by the other
TheBretters
I don't think Reps and Dems think each side is opressing each other that's kind of a weird take.
AKisHome
Sphinct182
TheBretters
Oh God no I'm a leftist not a liberal. Gross.
Dekkonot
Comet260
If she gets nominated again, I will shit on Tom Perez's desk.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Oh yeah, the woman who voted for Defense of Marriage act and said "marriage should be between a man and a woman", very progressive.
TheBlackWindHowls
I mean, Obama was against gay marriage, and then he was for it. As the other person said, people change.
nicolaisheen
People change or the desire of the public change? If he kept being anti gay marriage that wasnt going to fly with the dems. He just adapted
elliehof
Both?
CelticScribe
People change brah, it's called personal development.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Just like companies who have exploited sweatshop labor to make shoes, but are now 'woke', sure. Guess we should forgive literal slavery.
SiIverSoul
Nah, its usually ”This will get me votes, and I can always go back on my word.”
blogre
Obviously not the case.
votfgz
Left wing has been very against scientific advancement 200 years ago, because scientific advancement meant industrialisation.
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
you must have forgot when stalin industrialized in 20 years when it took America over 100
TheBretters
The left wasn't against industrializaion just against its use by capitalist
CAntthenuclearapocalypsecomesoicanjustdiealready
Wow you are an idiot a majority of far right politicians think the earth is 6000 years old
TheBretters
Which is a really simple way to put it.
shosty5
Try to get your head out of "sides" thinking. It's a balance, yo. Both "sides" are defined and dwarfed by ideas, some good some bad.
RHMCrusader
You can see the people who are on the extremes of either side down voting this lol
jhanked
Okay, humor me: when have political conservatives (the states rights small government folks) generally been in favor of equal rights?
shosty5
Abortion? But it's a fair observation. In general though, I think, the Right is weak on rights, the Left is weak on Responsibilities.
Usstiberiusk
Right hasn’t been too good with responsibilities lately, with the corruption, election fraud, and indictments. Now, I’m not (...)
Usstiberiusk
saying that applies to any position to the right of my own; just specifically the dominant American right wing party.
CaptCounterCulture
More Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act than Democrats.
jhanked
Yes, because they weren't the conservatives at the time. Try again.
jhanked
Dems at the time used state's rights as an argument in favor of a racist status quo. Same states rights argument as the Civil War.
CaptCounterCulture
Th party switch is a myth. Show me which senators flipped parties. And the dems are still obsessed with skin color.
Ninjainslippers
Technically no but only because Democrats and Republicans switched sides on many issues way back when.
GotDamnLochnessMonster
They didn't switch sides, they changed their voting blocks: BIG difference.
Counterfit
Same thing
Civikjm
Yes, way back when segregation was ended and the Dixiecrats switched to R.
Ninjainslippers
And now Republicans act like the Democratic party is the same one that supported slavery and segregation.
TheSecondPiewackit
While simultaneously ignoring that the KKK endorses Republicans, and demanding that we keep statues of those Democrats... "their Heritage".
Counterfit
The Democrats *were* the party that supported slavery. They were the conservative party in the 19th century. Even through much of the 20th
Lasgo
They were and are. They use minorities for votes to gain power under the guise of inclusivity.
Ninjainslippers
Historians and pretty much anyone who knows fuck all about politics would disagree.
Lasgo
Dinesh Disouza. Look him up and learn some actual history.
GodEmperorOfImgur
While true, never forgot that while senator, Hillary voted for DOMA and outright said "marriage should be between a man and a woman" 1/2
drh1138
Hillary is a right-wing politician.
GodEmperorOfImgur
In the sense that 95% of all US politicians are right wing, yes. But I am talking US-subjective, not objectively.
GodEmperorOfImgur
progressive ideals were only adopted once it was something that seemed like it would get votes. 2/2
LizardEnterprises
Sigh. When someone adopts a more just position you thank them for improving themselves, you don't yell at them for having been wrong before.
LizardEnterprises
Literally everyone has been wrong in the past. ESPECIALLY politicians, who have to worry about getting elected before they can do anything
GodEmperorOfImgur
Same argument was used for continuing the slavery of africans by founding fathers. Doesn't change that they owned slaves.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Oh? Well then. I guess that means we should be okay with the exploitation big companies have done now that they've changed? Do you not 1/2
GodEmperorOfImgur
think that past actions should ever carry present consequences? All I see is a politician who changes her stance only because it 1.5/2
LizardEnterprises
Classic whataboutism. Big companies are always exploitative, that is the nature of capitalism.
MrAwesomesauce101
In a two party system a party can be an umbrella to many different ideologies and points of view. Hillary is not really liberal but centrist
GodEmperorOfImgur
Not really sure I would consider "anti-gay marriage" to be centrist. And she WAS the presidential candidate for the Democrats.
MrAwesomesauce101
Because she buttered people that were centrist. Now there is a revolt going on in the party to make it more liberal like it was under FDR
Sasurau
Well, at the time of DOMA, that *was* centrist. People often forget that. Just look at the treatment of LGBTQ people in the 70s 80s and 90s.
Sasurau
It's astonishing the strides that *have* been made.
Deadmanwalkn
She's considered centrist because some of her shit is right of center, some is left of center, but mostly it's all just pro corp
MichaelAndersen88
Yeah, those Democrats who tried to secede, who voted against the ERA, and who tried to shut down that Christian bakery.
GodEmperorOfImgur
So, the democrats tried to secede? ... Well, why are the republicans trying to stop the tearing down of democrat war memorials then?
TheSecondPiewackit
If they wanted to remain consistent, they should have said "This reminds us what Democrats do." not admire them as heritage. But hey...
VolkiirKnight
The Dems that attepted to leave the union wouldnt be modern dems. They ideolody of blues and reds almost completely swapped in the 1970s.
ideologist
1964*
howaboutnothankyouverymuch
It began even earlier than that from what I read, after industrial revolution, based on the split between protecting workers/businesses.
TheBretters
The dems during the civil war and civil rights movement aren't the same party as today.
triumphintx
Sure they aren’t.
blueishgoldfish
If I were a dem I’d say the same thing.
Usstiberiusk
Or if you’d paid attention in even high school history classes. The parties switched platforms in the late 1800s.
blueishgoldfish
Of course they did. All that republican support for Jim Crow and segregation and slavery is well documented.
TheBretters
Not the most comprehensive article but https://www.theroot.com/how-the-republican-party-became-the-party-of-racism-1827779221/amp
blueishgoldfish
Polls are not meaningful. A smart pollster can make a poll say anything they want with simple linguistic tricks.
TheBretters
Pretty good even with the click bait title
TheBretters
Republicans consistently push against scientific research and equal rights I don't know how you could not see that.
IfOnlyICouldUseMyPowersForGood
I hear the "I don't know why you can't see" statement a lot and from 'both sides'. It makes me wonder what it really means.
nott75ja1337
Science like if you are born a boy then you stay a boy. Or like killing babies but lets save the cats and dogs.
TheSecondPiewackit
I understand hayseeds like you might spend a lot of time fighting strawmen in the field, but that shit doesn't fly on the internet.
Abfallkonto
You sound so smort. You must be one of them elites. I bet you weren’t vaccinated or you’d have the autisms
drh1138
Democrats aren't left-wing you chud. Signed, an actual socialist.
TheBretters
Are you responding to me because I don't think I ever said that.
Memeeater
I mean, you can argue they are socially, just not economically
TheBretters
Even then it's a stretch
Memeeater
Eh maybe, Idk about authoritarianism/ libertarianism in the US democratic party, just some of their views
RandomPerson6
Only thing further left economically then socialism is communism and dems seem to be pushing that in spades recently.
TheChaosPath
They "seem" to be because the media you consume are hysterically full of shit
Memeeater
I mean if we start at full on socialism, you're right there isn't much left. But 1) Are Democrats really pushing for socialism? Way more
drh1138
That doesn't mean anything. Queer, women, PoC billionaires isn't equality.
Memeeater
What?