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Noblert
The whole world had a war about this. Eventually and reluctantly we were forced to become involved.
ElloGubna
This is what happens when your family tree has no branches.
ASlowKiss
http://imgur.com/wjrXavB
shuttlecockinakumquat
Why do people (re)post this? You can be a nazi and proud American. You can be whatever the fuck you want in America.
SharkShanker
Free speech isn't a one way street
Toshfam
There was an American Nazi party.
LoudBirb
Same for the Confederacy, actually.
ElGranHambino
You expect logic from these people? Their hatred blinds them.
BurnPianoIslandBurn
I feel the same way about assholes who fly both American and Confederate flags.
mendelde
Ignoring this kind of contradiction is easy when you've had years of training flying the Confederate flag and feeling like proud Americans.
cryogenian
Something I will never understand.
nothebees
We have the same thing in Poland. How fucking thick are they...
cryogenian
I still feel bad for what happened to Poland - invaded by Nazis and Russians at the same. No hope.
Loompafoo
We literally had a lot of wars defending this exact situation
Dingus2
Huh?
Nigbac
Free speech no matter what. Hate speech is still free speech, and free speech isn't a one way street. That's fundamentally American.
Dingus2
I don't understand why you're saying that to me. I'm trying to figure out what wars Loompafoo is referring to.
Nigbac
Oh okay I thought that you meant something else.
MinMinForTheWin
US wars are ostensibly to protect the freedom of its citizens, including freedom of speech and personal beliefs/thoughts.
Dingus2
Pull the other one; it has bells on.
JudgementalChair
Everyone has the right to speak their mind no matter how much we disagree with them. Its a shame only the most extreme take the opportunity
HighlySexualLobster
Be fair, "Its a nice day" illicits less of a response than a Milo Yiannopoulos diatribe on the value and delight of catamites.
Radix865
It's more that certain people know how to shout louder than others. And sadly these people are usually extremists in one way or another.
Attaroo
Plenty of people take the opportunity. But hate and extremism sells ads.
hitthatbomb
Agree, and this pic shows "actual hate" unlike the "prescribed hate" by SJW snowflakes to those who have idea disagreement through discourse
muggybonehead
Speak? Or shout and wave guns?
LarvaLamp
All three. The line comes just before hurting people with said guns.
OhhHaiMark
We also had a civil war about keeping an entire race as slaves, and yet they still name streets after confederate generals and statues
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SharkShanker
There allowed to do this and I'm allowed to call them goat-fuckers. First amendment rules
DefenderOfDog
America is free you have the right to belive in stupid stuff.
ZaeMillion
Well I for one believe in you.
tanyuu
Yep, and people also have the right to point fingers at your stupid belief.
avrilest
It's American to endorse such rights but unamerican to espouse such views.
d0o0o0d
I am kinda glad that we make it easy to spot the stupid ones.
Primarch1
This is why there should be no "hate speech laws" just let it air out under the sun where they can be mocked and disproven.
Dingus2
Hate speech laws were ruled unconstitutional in the US IIRC. We still have the idiotic hate crime shit though.
Shrike99
Thats not the point though. Noone is saying they can't fly Nazi flags, they're pointing out the contradiction in flying both at the same tim
Shrike99
-e(fucking hell why imgur? 256 characters is too many?)
Dingus2
Did you respond to the wrong post?
MichaeIScott
Who's Tim?
Shrike99
Presumably the fuckwad who coded imgur's 40 character limit /s
BubblesSayingDecent
They shouldnt be able to fly them.
Shrike99
Why not? Preventing them from doing so is censorship.
BubblesSayingDecent
All across europe there are laws against it as well. Its not free speech its intolerance and legal racism
Shrike99
It can still be free speech while also being intolerance and racism. The two are not mutually exclusive. They are also not illegal in (1/2)
BubblesSayingDecent
You guys so worried about the first ammendmemt you dont realise what it costs, even canada has laws against it. Its preaching hate
Shrike99
I'm not American, and it's not illegal in Canada. It is however legal for the police to intervene if it is used to communicate hatred (1/2)
HDraug
Nazis and Neo-Confederates. Aka: People who suck at war.
SecretlyASiberianHusky
Like the communists?
Dingus2
Hitler was pretty damned good at war. If he had decided toward the end to stop spending so many resources on the death camps he would (1/2)
Dingus2
(2/2) probably have won. They knew that. They decided to spend more resources instead. That should tell you all you need to know about them.
throwaway019283
(1/n) Nah, the Nazis could only have won if they defeated the Soviet Union really quickly. They were gonna lose after Stalingrad in 1943
throwaway019283
(2/n) They could not come close to matching either America and the Soviet Union in industrial capacity. See Tooze's Wages of Destruction.
throwaway019283
(3/n) "In 1941 the US produced 19k aircraft, more than either Britain or Germany. In 1942 the US produced 48k. In 1943 the US produced 85k."
Dingus2
They would have nuked us both into oblivion.
throwaway019283
Who?
Shoujo
Maybe, but they sure have a cuckhold on your goverment and its policies.
lenomdeplume
Fun Fact: the largest number of Nei-Nazis IN THE WORLD are in Russia. You know, the country which suffered 10-12million casualties in WW2?
Uhxohr
And in Ukraine they even get to be in the government...
SharkShanker
To be fair a lot of that was because of the Russian government
Eksul
in total 20-27 million soviets died 6-7 million due to war related famines, and 8,6-11,4 million military deaths. 1/2
Eksul
But sure the Soviet government was the real murderer here (sarcasm may apply) 2/2
Dingus2
Nei-Nazi? Is that a pony thing?
lenomdeplume
That would be "neigh Nazis"
ratfaceddog
It's anti-communist backlash. Some went to the other extreme.
Uhxohr
Present days Russia is not communist at all though.
ratfaceddog
"Went" is past tense.
Galhaar
Tell that to the hammersickles adorning every goddamn building and metro stop. They want their empire back, doesn't matter what symbol.
lenomdeplume
Exactly. Those groups (right-wing nationalists ) were encouraged by Putin for support of his new, Not-So-Cold War.
Uhxohr
getting downvoted for that ? Downvoters, care to explain how I'm wrong here, or is that asking too much ?
lenomdeplume
"This is IMGUR!!!" *kicks you into the well*
Galhaar
Russia is much rather the carrier of a behavior than an ideology. They have nazis who have nostalgia for the soviet union. "Nazbols"
lenomdeplume
Nope. Communism fell in 1989. Member? These groups sprang up since Putin took over.
lenomdeplume
They are his Praetorian Guard. And we know how that will turn out...
ratfaceddog
"Went" is past tense. We are seeing the effects of that, due to our linear perception of time. Funny how nature do that.
lenomdeplume
??? Yes, I'm aware of the use of "tense" in the English language. But thanks....
cryogenian
And that's just military. 20-30 million civilian deaths at least. Yep, neo-Nazi in Russia - makes sense to me!
Uhxohr
No. Civilian deaths : around 16 millions, not 20-30. Also, there has always been nazis in Russia, there was even more during WW2 than now.
cryogenian
Yes. Soviets never released reliable stats, figures range from 20 - 50 depending on historian and how casualties are calculated.
Uhxohr
I would really like to see your sources for these numbers please.
cryogenian
Right, while you provide none for yours. Do your own homework.
ravi893
Didn't we have nazi orgs during ww2?
Sc00ba5teeve
Yuuuuup. Antisemitism was experiencing a rise in popularity, too.
merelyadequategooglymoogly
orcs*
PlantainSuperNova
Yup. The most prominent being the silver shirts, an american branch of the nazi party that built hitler a compound in california.
Shrike99
That's kinda neat actually, in a horrible way. Like these guys in your enemy's country made a place for you to stay if you wanted.
WhoDidYouExpect
Hate to be that guy, but they do have that right. That's kind of what being an American is about.
Dingus2
Stop apologizing.
Misslnformation
Well they're still waiving the Confederate flag, and the same rules apply. It's safe to say sense is not their strong suit.
jucyblucy
I think it's telling that they're flying side by side. Heritage my ass
isaydefy
I definitely don't think the actual Nazis are using the "heritage not hate" argument. They clearly hate
jucyblucy
Right, I meant the Confederate can't claim it either if they're standing next to literal nazis
Misslnformation
You'd think so, but i bet you could find someone to argue that.
Thebatman442
Well the rest of the world had a war about this and you eventually decided to show up
anadin
i hate illinois nazis
youdontknowhowtoeatmuffjohnsnow
FINs
Zer0th
German here, I hate Nazis from everywhere.
GemsAreOutrageousTrulyTrulyTrulyOutrageous
Such a fucking great movie.
GoodColonizer
Apparently Michigan has the most, I never even knew they were right around me... Everywhere... Lurking, with flags.
waterbustard
HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT
MyPatronusIsVernonDursley
I hate nazis
ASDusername
Why Illinois?
anadin
because The Blues Brothers was set in Chicago.
ASDusername
Okay. Idk why my comment got downvoted but ok
kuvastin
Jammeraurusrex
https://68.media.tumblr.com/4444feac6cb803f0ac3027a022170c68/tumblr_o3bvwp9bRn1u7d8l2o1_400.gif "The heck'n nazi party"
darkninja2992
Yet another duty of their mission from god
iPostReactionMemes
"Illinoisan"? here... it's pronounced guaad. You're welcome.
JoseDeLaNoWay
Holy shit that Nazi looks just like Jeff Sessions!
No1wurthknowin
That's what I was thinking
kuvastin
TheEmperorDarthSidious
Sorce?
SonOfShepard
The Blues Brothers
Spacepopeleo
Blues Brothers
DukePaulAtreides
Film: The Blues Brothers (1980). Excellent movie, highly recommend watching when you get the chance!
JustAnotherCynicToo
The cops never chased them for that, if I recall correctly.
GeraldsNinjaStar
No crime was committed.
JustAnotherCynicToo
Technically, attempted vehicular man slaughter. Morally, the right fucking thing to do.
confirmsthings
We're here on a mission from god.
ratfaceddog
*We're on a mission from God.
Evenlymade
Didn't the United States deny the Jews safe Haven?
DemDittiesDoe9000
Most countries did. Canada, France, UK etc.
sprbwlshuffler
Nazis suck. That is why I ignore them completely.
damspam
Some people did ignore the Nazis. Other people did not have that same luxury. They need to be opposed by everyone, at every turn.
paulpounder
You act like you did nazi them and walk right past em.
sprbwlshuffler
Ayo!
TanithRosenbaum
That's dangerous. One needs to keep an eye on them, just in case they try something. Same as with all other extremists.
ChimiFuckinChanga
DystopianReality
Does this logic also apply to the Cold War/Communism? Asking for a friend...
PresidentProTempore
No, that's stupid.
Ninjafromnorway
Why?
lovemesumfemdom
Well, what about being a nazi American then?
amoeba15
Like Henry Ford?
lovemesumfemdom
So I guess both are fine. Sounds good to me
Gatoechado
or Grampa Bush!
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I mean the supreme court says yes. Actions by executive government say no.
kiddub
We totally defeated Russian totalitarianism.
landcfan
Might depend on the definition of "communism" and "American".
landcfan
3/3 For the record, I am not Communist, and I am not convinced it could work in a large country.
landcfan
I'm puzzled why I was so heavily downvoted. I just meant that of we define by American citizenship, yes. If we define by traditional 1/?
melotprieks
Here we go...
landcfan
2/3 values, maybe not. I think it also makes a difference if we mean Stalin-esque support of the USSR or a political belief about economics.
Galhaar
If you're a genuine communist then you won't be proud to be American. You won't be proud to be anything, antinationalism is a thing.
Bullheadbelly
Yes except instead of killing them we financially sabotage them.
Dingus2
And then kill 10x more of them.
qahatrack
Yep. You cannot be a communist and an American. McCarthy was right.
Munchman347
Apples and oranges? Political beliefs and national origin are not mutually exclusive...
leodavinci1
Communism isn't evil... just stupid.
storkshmork
meh. You could make the argument it's pretty debasing and evil
BeesechurgerProductions
Welp, come cuff me boys, I'm officially an illegal immigrant.
BeesechurgerProductions
I swear to god, what the hell is the point of a relevant username if everyone just ignores it and downvotes me anyway...
TrustMeImABassist
Imgur likes relevant usernames. Trust me.
BeesechurgerProductions
My first comment in this thread was getting downvoted until I commented again, this happens a lot.
TrustMeImABassist
TheRicktat0r
Better dead then red
monimoomo
Democracy is non-negotiable!
Gatoechado
why is Gort in this image?
TrustMeImABassist
Gort! Klaatu barada nikto!
xrufus7x
It's Liberty Prime. Like Gort but he throws nukes like footballs and yells anticommunist propaganda.
Gatoechado
Nice! :D
aesthesia1
They try to say its about preserving their European heritage, the Nazi regime actively destroyed european culture as much as it could.
Haschpuppet
Which culture is that? Europe was already dying, the de-colonizing and ww1 killed it. Ww2 from Hitlers part was Europes last stand...
aesthesia1
Nazis destroyed art, forbade dancing, destroyed cultural artifacts, museums,etc. Artists, scientists, engineers, educators fled to the US
aesthesia1
Downvote for the truth I see. But search it. They were an authoritarian dictatorship, and there's no place for flourishing there.
Haschpuppet
..To preserve european centre of the civilization, if germany would lose, Europe would die. Look at us now... demographical exchange.
HeroOfKvatch1
I see it, and it's fucking fantastic compared to the tyrannical shitshow Nazi Europe would be.
daewookie
bullshit
PiggyWobbles
European is more palatable than "people with light skin". Even they know enough to know judgement via pigmintation sounds and looks ridic
Panda4hire
Actually, for a very long time, Eugenics was all the rage in the US.
Janusha
USA is funded entirely on genocide.
Cordite101
I mean yeah, but then that caused the whole Wrath of Kahn thing, then we had to Search for Spock.
SnarkyScience
Eugenics in the rest of the world never went to killing the living though. The worst was sterilization.
Somethingdeepncomedic
Now that's just not true...
Sillehcoont
It is disturbing that some morons have agreed.... I guess Cambodia and the entire continent of Africa don't exist......
Dingus2
Holy shit...
PhailRaptor
When used correctly there's nothing wrong with Eugenics. Unfortunately, it's really, really easy to use it incorrectly because humans suck.
AgainstMethod
... Right. Before we had a whole war about it.
RaddRadda
Not only that, but our treatment of the natives was an inspiration to Hitler. Hitler had an odd fascination with America.
Panda4hire
And at the time we respected him, some people think America's reluctance to declare war partially stemmed from our admiration.
Radix865
Pretty sure there were nazi sympathizers in most of the worlds governments at the time.
jetgirl36
World War I was the reason for reluctance. No admiration existed for an invading country or its leader.
enzio64
Still is, in some ways.
landcfan
Yep! Even Teddy Roosevelt was a supporter, though not nearly to the extent of the Nazis.
FlorbFnarb
Almost nobody was a supporter to the extent of the Nazis.
GadenKerensky
There was a program of forced, often secret, sterilisation in America of the poor and the uneducated in the past.
arcadiasilver
And it still happens here and there. To poor black and latino women, mostly.
GadenKerensky
Bloody hell.
Earlkay
Longer than it was in Germany too.
ratfaceddog
Out of curiosity, why is "eugenics" capitalized?
merelyadequategooglymoogly
After its inventor, Eugene.
Panda4hire
because I capitalize random things, not sure why. Infuriates me.
TheSacrificialButter
Because it's awesome, of course.
Janusha
Because its the important bit ?
ratfaceddog
That's what capitalization is for? Shit, I've had it wrong, for years.If I see my first grade teacher, I'm going to give her a p of my mind!
ratfaceddog
*piece
Janusha
I didnt think you were gonna pee on her. But yeah. American education is not known for quality.
PotatoFaminePart2
get out of here with your book smarts
briham
Yeah, but so was using cocaine for toothaches. Just because flat Earth theory seemed reasonable 3000 years ago doesn't mean it aint dumb now
mrsuzukiami
Greeks, Chinese, and Sumerians all proved the Earth and moon were round 3000 years ago. Thus the base 60 system.
MundaneFinality
No one said it wasnt dumb. But its not inherently unamerican.
harrymunster42
The earths flat!! No stars just angels!
MrSaturday
Ok, go touch one.
PotatoFaminePart2
wait cocaine for tooth aches sounds awesome
PotatoFaminePart2
you sure it wasn't heroin tho? makes more sense
notthreeducksinatrenchcoat
Eugenics isn't dumb, it's just inhumane.
playstation360
Depends on how you apply it.
briham
A wide and diverse genetic pool allows greater adaptability to catastrophic changes. Eugenics is an incomplete understanding of evolution
notthreeducksinatrenchcoat
Yes, but some people are obviously unfit to be parents. It would make sense they not be able to reproduce. Who gets to make that decision?
notthreeducksinatrenchcoat
If you fuck kids, that ones easy. You shouldn't breed. Diseases, crimes, years on welfare. It's too murky to try to control.
Mightylcanis
Negative eugenics is inhumane. Positive eugenics is just fine.
notthreeducksinatrenchcoat
Less effective however.
Mightylcanis
That's debatable, and dependent on your goal. If your goal is to get rid of hereditary diseases for example, then positive can do just fine.
TheotherAgentJohnson
Technically, you do.
MouseDenton
While it's patriotic to protect such a right, I think to actively partake isn't.
NotABadLookingNarcissist
I suppose I'd rather have them identify themselves. They are free to do it, but not free from the social consequences.
RoseTheSpecialEdTeacher
People seem to forget that America's involvement in WW2 was far more economical than idealogical.
Chiseler
this gets posted at least once a week and only a few learn
MexicanConcentrationCamp
You can also be ISIS and American too.
PiggyWobbles
Why is this getting downvoted? You can literally be american and an isis sympathizer - just like you can be a nazi sympathizer
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
Because double standards
Phixik
I believe we actually had a movement here for them. Band of Brothers you find one American that answered the call...
Bearto
Why the hell should I protect someones free speech when if they had the power to do so, would take mine and probably kill me?
HereticWilson
Because until they actively do something to you they are innocent and entitled to their rights. That's how this thing works.
NurseyMcNursepants
Because you're better than them.
Bearto
What does that get me? Non-violence and free speech are nice concepts, but in practice only work in situations where their opponent 1/2
Bearto
has gripes about genocide and oppression. Imagine if the allied forces refused to war with Hitler because they wanted to be non-violent 2/2
TheFifthRace
We didn't go to war over their speech, we went to war because of there actions. There is a difference and it's important.
NurseyMcNursepants
I'm confused. How did we make the leap from free speech to being cool with the Holocaust?
TheotherAgentJohnson
You don't get to decide that someone else doesn't eat free speech because you assume yours will be suppressed.
Bearto
It's literally in their manifesto to oppress those different then them. They want us to die, and I refuse to protect their right to try.
ausernamewhat
As much as hate them, they do have the right.
SocialMediaMakesUsLessSocial
So why does imgur bitch so much about the existence of BLM then?
Orzbek
Because it doesn't matter how you feel about black people; if you don't support the BLM organization, then you're "Racist". It's not right.
LongoloidFartExplosion
Nice pun.
AdmJota
Yeah. It's a *Confederate* that you don't get to be at the same time as being a proud American. That's the thing we literally had a about.
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AdmJota
The United States of America -- the country we're talking about being proud of -- is the place the Confederates seceded.
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AdmJota
The Union *is* the "United States(OF)America".
HereticWilson
Wrong again, keep trying tho.
TheBestNamesAreTaken
It's literally in the name: Confederate States of America...
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
America the continent not our america they were literally separatists from the USA
pacmanrockshok
I guess they have the right, it just doesn't make any sense
TheotherAgentJohnson
That why this country is, and was, great. Because they get that right, whether it makes sense to anyone else or not.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
I mean we banned communism. And ignored the supreme court saying we can't. So were not entirely great.
Dingus2
We were actively at war with them.
GaySocialistLiberalMuslimCommieAtheist
Uh you do know the cold war was a name given because it wasn't actually a war?
Chereazi
Why do you wanna take away their FREEDOM? ;P
BiteSizedYak
Never take ones freedom until they take someone else's first. Plus their idiocy is often humorous
Shoujo
When freedom is actually infringed like in issues like abortion (as an ex.), nothing happens. Their "idiocy" affects policy for the worse
framingplant
Why do you wanna take away Al-Queda's FREEDOM?
Chereazi
Yea, it's crazy, right? xD
psychologicaltrap
psychologicaltrap
when someone's actions in the second and third infringe on the first, they are in the wrong.
GiantBlueSpaceship
Sati man, thank you to Ram Mohan Roy for his Socio-Religious reformation movement. One of my favourite historical figures.
framingplant
So much for the tolerant left
TheMajesticHarpyEagle
Why should people tolerate threats to their lives and freedom? You know, the prerogative of the right for a long while now?
Shoujo
This, also how they have hijacked political issues, making people who agree with those issues more extreme. This works both ways tho.
psychologicaltrap
why aren't you attacking an american statement supported by a British colonialism? i strawmanned it up here, at least give it some thought.
framingplant
You lost me
psychologicaltrap
* -a