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Look at almost any Pop Song and there are 19 writers, it's autotuned to hell and back, it's overpolished and overporduced, and anyone can pick up the song and sell it as their own.
It's very plastic and fake. And it's extremely annoying that this is considered good by most people in the world today.
Music should come solely from the artist themselves, not 600 Ghostwriters. It also should come from talent, not getting rid of all traces for a lack of talent. It should show emotion, it should come from the heart.
Beyonce, Ke$ha, Miley Cryus, Bieber, Selena Gomez, and almost all Pop Performers are just a pretty face behind dull music.
Sabaton, Metallica, Johnny Cash, Nine Inch Nails, Marilyn Manson, KoRn, Disturbed, Foo Fighters and more let their music talent do the work, not their producers and faces.
Even just being edgelord who shits on the Government with music of your own writing deserves more praise than another song about sex, love, cheating, partying, or clubs.
No one really remembers the biggest hits in pop from last 30 years, but we all remember songs such as Down With The Sickness, Hero, Enter Sandman, Smells like Teen Spirit, etc.
We remember them because they came from talent and emotion. Not plasticity and autotune.
tl;dr a pretty face, ghostwriters, and autotune doesn't earn you praise nor should you be considered talented.
ListlessAsshole
Most of the stuff you named off is cheesy hot topic bullshit. You're listening to pop music in a black t-shirt.
PiusCBuenzli
someone remembers 2Pac he was fukin black göthe
Tylendal
Lady Gaga is my top picks for an artist that will be remembered as an example of "Good music from back in the day" thirty years from now.
MeanGreenMemeQueen
I couldn't agree with you more but I understand that everyone has different taste in music and it's something we just have to accept
dakeroni
It's almost like people listen to what they think sounds good!
DankS0uls
Fuck off with this "real music" bullshit. Real music doesn't exist. Everything is "real music".
hanschara
While I tend to agree, I hear this way to much which makes me think:
zma123456
Even musicians in the old days had writers. A good song is a good song. Singers don't have to be writers, or good beat makers.
racecarbedx
I don't think we could find a big enough edge for you to be the lord of
franticallysearchingmybutthole
Hahah +1
MFDork
I don't know if you're allowed to bitch about other people's tastes if you think "Down with the Sickness" is some sort of masterpiece.
ListlessAsshole
ARE YOU FUCKING SAYING DISTURBED HAS ARTISTIC MERIT?! I'm gonna be laughing at this shit all week.
draculasamurai
*cuts myself to the new Breaking Benjamin album as I cope with this comment*
callmehero
To be fair, Ke$ha is a fairly accomplished songwriter of her own accord.
callmehero
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/pictures/7-great-songs-you-didnt-know-kesha-wrote-20160301/alice-cooper-what-baby-wants-2011-20160301
NateintheNorth
Vsauce: Pop music is becoming more similar, but maybe that's because it's getting better at scratching that specific itch for pop listeners.
NateintheNorth
(paraphrased)
RBBaker
I'm sorry! Somehow I gave you the impression that I care what your opinion is. My bad! Art is in the eye of the beholder. Yours are 20/200.
PugLife2000
"If you're not into cool bands like Marilyn Manson, don't bother asking me to prom."
JackprotYaDingus
Music is subjective - get over it
MemeThemeHorror
Lionel Richie? Hall and Oates? Duran Duran? Buddy Holly? Big Bopper?
MemeThemeHorror
BTW not a lot of people liked DWTS when it first came out. I was there. It's only getting respect lately
DeepBlueNothing
The reality is that most talented people aren't hot enough to be pop stars. The same reason fashion designers don't wear their own clothes.
SerialKitten666
A lot of talented people don't WANT to be pop stars either. It's a soul draining job where you're given little control over your own life
TheThingNoNotThatOne
It's not always about beauty - sometimes someone is just a good lyricist/songwriter and not a singer/musician.
TacitusAurelius
I think everyone above the age of 12 thinks this.
ShizzleMcDrip
Sadly no
YoullBePerfectWhenYoureDead
Not really. There's a lot of great pop out there. Tegan and Sara, Florrie, Jenny Lewis, La Roux etc.. I got out of my angsty "All pop is
YoullBePerfectWhenYoureDead
terrible" phase long ago once I realized how unpretentious it is to write off an entire genre when the issue was me, and not the music.
AMartianPotato
Close. It's above the age of 12, but also below the age of 19 when most people are done their angsty snobby "only my music is art" phase.
JonathanRobberts
No I think OP is 12 years old
Dookietown
Have you been to one of these people's concerts lately? That's no the case at all
TacitusAurelius
Lol I choose to be blissfully ignorant.
TheOneWhoIsBored
Keisha actually started out writing for other pop singer like miley Cyrus and Britney spears and writes some of her own music
RemarkablyRegularRob
Also you'll see that Miley Cyrus is a damn good singer, if you listen to her country stuff
rollout25
Plus she had a genius IQ
itsthevoiceman
Still does, I assume.
SerialKitten666
Kesha actually writes the majority of her lyrics, autotuned to fuck, yeah but that's basically a stylistic choice now
BeardicPerformance
I think most people over the age of 14 and not going through a goth phase remembers the greatest pop hits of the last 30 years.
BeardicPerformance
Bye Bye Bye. Oops I Did It Again. Thriller. Hot n' Cold. Just because you don't appreciate it doesn't make it not art.
SavageHonesty
Thriller isn't in the last 30 years of pop hits you mongoloid. *cries silently at the passage of time*
tiffwhaaa
It's pretty darn close. I'll give it to him, just for rounding.
Jandi1
Plus, Thriller was the only song in that list that had any art in it. We have to leave it in for the comment to make sense
noprobllama
No one remembers the biggest pop hits from the last 30 years? I beg to differ
Rabisque
So nobody remembers the monkees?
Cuntard
...and people say we monkee around...
icantbelievemynamewastaken
I love the Monkees.
RoastedSalted
I love the Monkees and have seen them live twice (well, 3/4 of them). Neil Diamond stuff and the original stuff, even Mike's western songs.
chefchris357
They were a huge influence on the Beatles.
AstronautPot
You mean the doors?
IAmTheMasterCommanderWhatThePoop
Yeeess! They are awesome when you learn about how they actually became a band. XD
crozadile
I loved their uncle
youaresoverywrong
The Monkees are kinda cool in that they started as a literally fake band, got sick of it and taught themselves to play their instruments.
Smayds
Which led directly into the creation of The Archies, because the guy that put them together couldn't control real people.
EnjoyThisGIFofYourUsername
Dartmuthia
I hear those guys just monkey around
DartTarget13
but they're too busy singing
rezpawner
to put anybody down?
BeringerRD
I remember the Alamo.
ValChillmer
So does Donovan
ChuckZombie
https://media.giphy.com/media/20XYY0eMv7lio/giphy.gif
Kangadilla
1. I agree and disagree with this and here is why. Take old but gold artists such as Frank Sinatra, Diana Ross, Elton John, and Marvin Gay
Kangadilla
2. For example. Good artist? Could perform live? Yes. However they wrote almost none of there own music (Lyrics mainly). There are lots of
Kangadilla
3. Musicians out there who have great musical talents but aren't necessarily skilled in actually writing their own music. So to say that you
Kangadilla
4. Should not get credit as a musician just because you didn't created the entire song yourself is ridiculous. However I do agree with the
Kangadilla
5. Fact that most artist now rely so much on technology to make their song sound good, that they can't even perform a quality live show.
Kangadilla
6. So i get it, but you can't convince me someone like Sinatra doesn't deserve his title just because he didn't 'write' his own music.
hckydrummer948
all of the artists you listed are major label-commercial artists that make records that'll sell not for self expression. It's all a formula.
ThenTheWingedHussarsArrived
Sabaton writes/performs what they want to. Disturbed does this as well. Manson does this. Cash did this. NIN does this.
Spiralhaze
Nah man, Metallica are all about the music. They totally don't care about the money /s
MetalMil
hahahahaha
Superfuntime
Another teenage metalhead telling everyone what's "real music". Relax kid. Those people also have talent even if you don't like what they do
ValChillmer
I agree with some of what he says, but he did lose me at metal. Good music is good music, but most top 40s artists are overly glorified.
nosquirrelbones
Yeah, dude brought Sabaton into it.
Blrp0
He doesn't seem to be a metalhead though; just look at the bands and songs listed.
Jandi1
"Lightmetal"
Nowayinhellbitches
Art is subjective
bunduz
I'm a 41 year old dude who thinks pink is good and talented
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
"No! Things I don't like aren't art! They're not REAL [medium here]!"
FrancisLouJean
Try reading some Kant or something
theincrediblebullshittingman
I remember going through this phase when I was an angsty 14yo. Now at almost 30 I don't really care anymore. A good song is a good song.
wotemer
yeah but i like to point out that artist xyz has good writers. gotta keep that 'they're shit' front up :D
sckrlfe
True.
OhNoAGirlOnTheInternet
Amen! At 17 I cringed and bitched if I even heard a snippet of pop radio. Metal or gtfo. Now my playlist goes from Korn to Beyoncé to NiN...
Lulabel73
I've been listening to old albums lately and for every good song there is plenty of crap. It just gets forgotten.
chefchris357
I'm in my 30's and these days I have music I listen to and music I don't care about. Listen to what you like, don't worry about the rest.
DrBabyDanny
What if I can write good music but not perform/sing it? Then I get me a Miley!
thisguy79
Exactly what I was thinking. What about all the other talented people making this music? You don't care for the vocalist so you 1/
thisguy79
invalidate everyone else's hard work and talent. I can't sing worth crap, so if I wrote a good song I would sell it to get it out and me $.
TurtleOnTheRocks
And her people pay you, and her success leads to an increase in your demand. OPs statement is a bit insulting to writers and sound engineers
mithiwithi
And more to the point, OTHER people liking shit music isn't YOUR problem.
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IdreamofflyingbutIamjusttooafraidofheightstoevertestit
I recently discovered that a song on the radio that I've been singing along with is Justin Bieber.
Rengii
Same. I like what I like.
trollisourbites
I'm interested to know which song
Mimsey
Problem being most pop songs aren't good songs. Real artists exist but they don't get publicity because they're not soulless money machines.
thisguy79
Someone (most likely a lot of someone's) clearly thinks they are good songs or they wouldn't be making any money.
Mimsey
"Someone clearly thinks the Sharknado series are great films otherwise they wouldn't be making any money." [1]
Mimsey
It's a commodification of people and art. And it's shit. Especially considering how many good artists struggle to get by. [7]
Mimsey
The most egregious case are the tween boy bands and pop girls. Shallowly preying on the fanaticism of teen girls. [4]
Mimsey
They groom these people and cycle them in and out on us and the ones that catch on they pour all over us. [3]
Mimsey
The problem is the record companies have a monopoly on the whole industry. So they hand-pick pop idols and shove them on us. [2]
Mimsey
And when one band's contract gets too expensive it tends to disband and the record company pulls up some new idol to sell. [6]
Mimsey
Knowing these kids will beg their parents to buy them all the albums, t-shirts, binders, show tickets, etc. [5]
Mimsey
This isn't even a theory. Eminem and Macklemore, for example, have both put out tracks on how the corporations tried to fuck them. [8]
thisguy79
At the end of the day, no matter how you want to spin the narrative, they are giving their customers exactly what they want. (1)
thisguy79
Who do you listen to on youtube, Pandora or the radio? Whose album are you buying? Whose songs are you paying to download?
thisguy79
You get a say in who is popular, you have a vote in who is famous. Your vote is in the form of your time and money. (2)
thisguy79
To the people who truly deserve it. You cast you support and millions others did too. It doesn't make it a horrid situation (4)
thisguy79
You do your part and support the artist you like. But don't go painting everything as a soulless empire that pays no heed... (3)
thisguy79
(sorry, I was slightly distracted so my numbers got out if whack)
thisguy79
Just because other artist get more support than the ones you like.
JerodH
Bro, I listen to Metallica and Foo Fighters and all that jazz but be real, the whole music industry is fake. Just listen to what sounds good
jimmydungis
Or listen to incredibly obscure metal,hip hop, and jazz artists that nobody knows about, the underground is where the talent lives!
SWZcheDUH
Know who loves Foo Fighters and Metallica to? Ticketmaster
TraitorousTrump3
Listen to independent artists then. Roger Clyne & The Peacemaker.
CringeMetal
(1/2) The music industry is on its way out the door and rightfully so, it's an oligarchy, and with the internet, independent artists have
CringeMetal
(2/2) shined and that's really where people need to be looking and most people should be open minded when it comes to foreign sources
aussysadmin
Cory Doctorow has written in depth for many years about this, he knows his stuff and is worth reading.
RenamedUser
I like ska and bluegrass. People hate what i listen to. Like they really really hate it. But I'm like you -I don't listen to music (1/2)
RenamedUser
(2/2) because someone saids it's popular, i listen because it sounds good to me.
CliffordJohnsonMiller
Fuck yeah. People say I listen to genres that are dead,but I don't give a fuck. Shit sounds great.
EvilShenanigans
Give me 2 songs as a sample of what you listen to.
LiquidPoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjHUb7NSrNk
RenamedUser
I'm going to sleep now but I'll post links tomorrow
blisfulloblivion
Reel Big Fish, Streetlight Manifesto, Keasby Knights, Big D and the Kids Table
LiquidPoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsDC5EtKPAQ
AnthonyPeterson
I'd like to know this as well. I like hearing different music. Ice always thought radio stations should devote time to small artists too.
ProgLord99
Not op, but try Plini - 'Every piece matters'
RenamedUser
I'll give you links tomorrow. Going to bed now
thatguythateatstoomuch
I listen to a lot of ska also. Give Mustard Plug a listen.
EvilShenanigans
Hmm, interesting. Thank you.
RenamedUser
There's dozens of us. Dozens!